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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.06.19 18:20:00 -
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Thanks Arkanon, for your post.
Dinsdale, use the proper channels for complaints regarding moderation. Simply file a petition in the "Community" category and it will be looked into. This thread is not the place for it.
ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
203
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:02:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:Thanks Arkanon, for your post.
Dinsdale, use the proper channels for complaints regarding moderation. Simply file a petition in the "Community" category and it will be looked into. This thread is not the place for it.
What's the point? I am going to petition every time your crew censors / locks posts/threads, or every time someone feels I deserves a ban? Your petition queue is going to get pretty long.
Further, if it takes you 3-5 days to respond to a petition, how is that going to work when anyone is debating something online?
Scenario: I make a statement that some null sec zealot feels will slow down their crusade. He calls up one of his buddies on the censorship team, if he is not already on the team. Bang. My post is gone.
Now, I recognize my post is gone. I petition it. 3-5 days later, some GM says, "yeah. there was no cause to delete that post", and puts it back. But by then the entire context and thrust of the forum argument has been lost.
The null sec zealots have won another victory. |
Lili Lu
290
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Posted - 2012.06.22 00:11:00 -
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Presently if someone doesn't like someone else's posting or if they are getting insulted they can simply block the posts. The offender can post Bill is an idiot, but Bill stops responding. The offender gets bored. Works fine.
Of course there is no way this new system will get exploited by some group interest planting it's operatives on your team. Noone in EVE knows how to do such a thing. Or exploited by some individual on your team with a fixed point of view that they want to prevail. You are asking for a whole lot of trouble CCP. Censoring the forums is the wrong way to go. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
220
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:51:00 -
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I just created a thread asking if a key member of CCP was a ex-leader of goons. I truly did not know. 7 people responded, telling me who he was.
Some ISD member then locked the thread saying I was intruding on their privacy, even though it turns out there are YouTube videos out there showing this person drunk doing goon presentations.
But that is irrelevant, to this post.
The key part was 5 minutes later THE ENTIRE THREAD was deleted. No, there will be no problems with censorship when this program hits full gear. |
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ISD Stensson
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.06.24 13:24:00 -
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Please do not use this thread for disputing moderation actions. Use petition system instead. As it described in forum rules:
Quote:10. Warnings and bans are not to be discussed on the forum.Such matters shall remain private between the CCP and the user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through e-mail or private messaging. Likewise, discussions regarding moderator actions are not permitted on the forum. If you have questions regarding a post or thread, please file a petition. ISD Stensson Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2012.06.24 19:51:00 -
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ISD Stensson wrote:Please do not use this thread for disputing moderation actions. Use petition system instead. As it described in forum rules: Quote:10. Warnings and bans are not to be discussed on the forum.Such matters shall remain private between the CCP and the user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through e-mail or private messaging. Likewise, discussions regarding moderator actions are not permitted on the forum. If you have questions regarding a post or thread, please file a petition.
File a petition with who? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
475
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:49:00 -
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Wow. This is a level of tinfoil that goes beyond. You may call it Tinfoilhattery 3. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
475
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:50:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:ISD Stensson wrote:Please do not use this thread for disputing moderation actions. Use petition system instead. As it described in forum rules: Quote:10. Warnings and bans are not to be discussed on the forum.Such matters shall remain private between the CCP and the user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through e-mail or private messaging. Likewise, discussions regarding moderator actions are not permitted on the forum. If you have questions regarding a post or thread, please file a petition. It is pointless, as I have described earlier in this thread. You are virtually unlimited power on these forums, and are untouchable. There is no way to stop you and your kind, short of CCP GM's deciding that you are indeed biased, and I am sure that won't be happening.
Yes Dinsdale. You should be afraid. The CCL's jackbooted thugs are at your door. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
475
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:15:00 -
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I saw earlier that someone said that ISDs can't ISD and play at the same time. Does that just mean that they literally can't be playing while on the clock? Cause that would make sense. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
540
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Posted - 2012.06.25 22:10:00 -
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And there I was, thinking that the CSM was doing this as part of their job description. CSM was and should be the sounding board from playerbase to CCP. Not some anonymous grunts with player unknown affiliations.
Who are you guys and girls in CCL to determine if a thread or post by a player is worthy to be pointed out?
I don't see the point, use or need for some anonymous players to be our spokesperson in regards to what is of interest and what isn't.
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
604
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Posted - 2012.06.25 22:39:00 -
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Its bad enough that your paid moderators let their biases rule their decisions but now you want to bring in essentially anonymous moderators? Can't wait for every post I make to be deleted solely because I'm a goon. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
604
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Posted - 2012.06.25 23:09:00 -
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Also not in the least bit surprised that CCP has forgotten the lessons of the Aurora program. Never learned from them in the first place is likely more accurate given their business culture. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
475
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:30:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Also not in the least bit surprised that CCP has forgotten the lessons of the Aurora program. Never learned from them in the first place is likely more accurate given their business culture.
Luckily ISDs only moderate the forums. If you ask me these forums need some tighter moderation than they've had in the past, and need some adjustments in how the moderation is handled.
For the population that we've got we probably have the most active forums. Just imagine this level of activity with the population of a successful theme park MMO. CCP has to have volunteers, they don't make enough money to pay an entire staff of moderators. Not with the number of subscribers that they have right now. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1587
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:09:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Also not in the least bit surprised that CCP has forgotten the lessons of the Aurora program. Never learned from them in the first place is likely more accurate given their business culture. Luckily ISDs only moderate the forums. If you ask me these forums need some tighter moderation than they've had in the past, and need some adjustments in how the moderation is handled. For the population that we've got we probably have the most active forums. Just imagine this level of activity with the population of a successful theme park MMO. CCP has to have volunteers, they don't make enough money to pay an entire staff of moderators. Not with the number of subscribers that they have right now.
so of course the best course of action according to CCPs thinking is to alienate and **** off everyone who is left.
subscribers? who needs em, we have a general discussion forum with 5 pages of avatar threads and no general discussion
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Malacath Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:32:00 -
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Free Zymurgist! |
Implying Implications
cuties4life
122
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:04:00 -
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What happened to the old moderation folks? Minmatar V3 gallery: http://minus.com/mOqXRikn5 |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
480
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:48:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Also not in the least bit surprised that CCP has forgotten the lessons of the Aurora program. Never learned from them in the first place is likely more accurate given their business culture. Luckily ISDs only moderate the forums. If you ask me these forums need some tighter moderation than they've had in the past, and need some adjustments in how the moderation is handled. For the population that we've got we probably have the most active forums. Just imagine this level of activity with the population of a successful theme park MMO. CCP has to have volunteers, they don't make enough money to pay an entire staff of moderators. Not with the number of subscribers that they have right now. so of course the best course of action according to CCPs thinking is to alienate and **** off everyone who is left. subscribers? who needs em, we have a general discussion forum with 5 pages of avatar threads and no general discussion
No, just you and all the other people flooding the forums with useless threads. Enjoy your mandatory permanent vacation when you get it. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Cerebral Wolf
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:54:00 -
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Getting all my posts deleted by there so called moderators, OP's reworded and moved to other sections of the forum etc etc.
Its a massive sham, the CCL guys are essentially trying to oppress anyone who has an opinion on the forums that dont involve rainbows and bunny rabbits.
CCP, what are you thinking? I can't even ask 2 questions on the forum that i've been trying to ask for 3 days now. Is it because im a goon and your CCL guys dont like it?.... |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
103
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Posted - 2012.06.26 09:29:00 -
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This is very open to abuse, from extreme tinfoil hattery levels right down to simple cases of an individual with his own very limited views and opinions deleting posts he disagrees with and spitting out meaningless stock responses as justifications for it. |
Pahah Pahineh
Universal Ally
2
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Posted - 2012.06.26 10:05:00 -
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So, you're looking for unpaid janitors. I'm sure the illusion of power and importance will lure many a weak minded fool right in. |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
180
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Posted - 2012.06.26 11:06:00 -
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Where do i vote for the removal of the ISD/CCL forum team? If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1170
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Posted - 2012.06.26 11:19:00 -
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please refrain from going insane with forum moderation power - blawrf mctaggart |
Mr Bimble
Lost Ark Enterprises
5
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Posted - 2012.06.26 12:18:00 -
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Community liasons,hahahahaha. Far too silly |
Dalmont Delantee
The Black Legionnares SpaceMonkey's Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.06.26 21:20:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote:Thanks Arkanon, for your post.
Dinsdale, use the proper channels for complaints regarding moderation. Simply file a petition in the "Community" category and it will be looked into. This thread is not the place for it.
What's the point? I am going to petition every time your crew censors / locks posts/threads, or every time someone feels I deserves a ban? Your petition queue is going to get pretty long. Further, if it takes you 3-5 days to respond to a petition, how is that going to work when anyone is debating something online? Scenario: I make a statement that some null sec zealot feels will slow down their crusade. He calls up one of his buddies on the censorship team, if he is not already on the team. Bang. My post is gone. Now, I recognize my post is gone. I petition it. 3-5 days later, some GM says, "yeah. there was no cause to delete that post", and puts it back. But by then the entire context and thrust of the forum argument has been lost. The null sec zealots have won another victory.
Personally the paranoia that people are suffering on this is unjustified. Can you not see how it goes then throw a hissy fit?
I get warnings all the time on mmorpg.com for saying american media is scared of sex (racist apparently) and that trolls all live with their mums and torture kittens (ok didn't get warnings for that). I gues from your post that you actually think that a big null sec alliance is scared of your posts and want to censor you? Sadly that wouldn't be the case, they would rather wind you up and see where you go with it. They like that you know. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
651
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:08:00 -
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I think you should all take a step back from your keyboards and examine your behaviour. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Syllviaa
Dominus Nex Angelus
4
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Posted - 2012.06.27 00:42:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:I think you should all take a step back from your keyboards and examine your behaviour.
You should stop thinking.
Free CCP Zymurgist, RubyPorto, Talon SilverHawk, Karl Hobb, Malacath Azaria -Mallak Azaria (Soon to be free) -Malacath Azaria IB4TS |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
313
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:44:00 -
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I've read all this seen what the forums have been like recently. Is there any benefit at all in signing up for this gig? Really?
(Personally I think any company that advertises for moderators obviously hasn't been engaging the community properly and could easily offer the role to people as the candidates would be obvious - just my view.) Unhappy with an ISD action? Do what you need to do forum wise - up to you. However, your alternative avenues to complain are: [email protected] | [email protected]-á| [email protected] It might seem pointless at the time but CCP need to at least take the time to read it - and time is money. |
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:39:00 -
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We are not forcing you to sign up to become ISD. If you want to help the community feel free to do so. ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
185
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:46:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:We are not forcing you to sign up to become ISD. If you want to help the community feel free to do so.
We have different opinions on what is helping the community. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
314
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:56:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:We are not forcing you to sign up to become ISD. If you want to help the community feel free to do so. I understand I'm not being compelled to do anything. Maybe I haven't got this sorted so indulge me:
You don't get paid (a given and not unusual). You don't get free game time. You don't get ISK to make up lost game time for 'helping'. You have to hide behind a pseudonym so you never have any community role besides moderating threads. Not even your friends can know your secret identity. You don't get involved in any testing or beta activity (not entirely unusual) Any real moderating activities such as banning etc. have to be referred up.
Trust me, I get the whole helping for helping sake in games forum moderation but this just seems like a hiding to nowhere. Unhappy with an ISD action? Do what you need to do forum wise - up to you. However, your alternative avenues to complain are: [email protected] | [email protected]-á| [email protected] It might seem pointless at the time but CCP need to at least take the time to read it - and time is money. |
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