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Lurana Lay
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.21 06:00:00 -
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Sadism in other words.
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Gsptlsnz
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Posted - 2009.08.21 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lurana Lay Sadism in other words.
Schadenfreude isn't sadism, but perhaps they're related.
It would explain why gankers in lowSec need such a large numerical advantage. They're playing with only one hand, because the other is covered in lube, just in case they "get lucky" and their victim starts whining on local.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.21 08:09:00 -
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warping out works fine, some of you act like these ninjas have any weapons, tank, or skill to take over aggro, kill trigger ships loot objectives and annoy you. maybe 1% of them do or could maybe .5% of them actually would. you warp out for 15 minutes they will be gone onto another site to try their luck elsewhere, you can kinda annoy them moar if you warp out warp back in a min or two warp in wait for them to come back warp out etc for a bit they will keep coming back, if you come back asap they probably dropped a probe right on top your warp in gate.
i dunno how you got some killed, that takes real fail on their part, they in agile small ships less they botting or asleep at the keyboard even if they get aggro en mass they got plenty of time to align out and run.
if you can not use drones that can slow them down to, a ship plus combat drones is big bingo for a mission spot easy to see. gank ninjas will also grab loot hoping your drones aggro them, or your watching **** and got auto target back on while they lock you orbit you and goad/trick you into shooting them while they all blinky red. gank ninjas usually work in gangs, salvage ninjas usually work alone.
early in mission warp out, late in mission shoot the wrecks 2 seconds to lock 1 shot to blow them up way more efficient than ordering your drones to do it, especially since they in nanod fast little dessys that can zip around fast. war dec the ninjas that are not in npc corps, then you can shoot them on sight :).
find a new place to run mission dod sucks period, its mini jita with worse sell/buy prices a shadow of jita's trade market, and it is full of little high sec pirate wannabees can baiting outside station all day long looking to gang **** some noob and chest thump in local how l33t they is, scammers that got nothing interesting at all in the way of scams, and other assorted dregs of eve.
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2009.08.21 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Fink Angel on 21/08/2009 08:48:01 Yup, a real PITA, but at least Eve gives you the tools to deal with the problem:
- Pay a merc corp to dec them.
Edit: Dots. Ya gotta have dots in your presentation!
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WeaponsHot
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Posted - 2009.08.21 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: WeaponsHot on 21/08/2009 09:16:33
Originally by: Monstah Khaos I'm sure there are a million topics on this somewhere, but I really don't get to the boards much so here goes...
Salvaging in missions by other players..... I travel a lot for work between jan-nov and don't get to play but a couple hours a week. When I play for that short time I like to "carebear" it and run highsec missions. For the last 3 days, out of 15 missions I have ran, I have had players come in and salvage my wrecks for 13 of them. Sometimes they even start salvaging before I'm even finished with the room!! As long as I have aggro, they are free to steal from me. I even had a small gang of destroyers warp in and clear my rooms before I was finished...
What burns me about this is, there is absolutely nothing I can do about it right now unless I re-fit my mission runner to salvage as I go. What burns me about this is, the player has absolutely no risk in taking from me. Everyone knows that the salvaging in missions is where the money is in the long run. I like to build my own rigs for my ships or sell them, and I need THAT salvage to do so. I figure I have lost well over 100 mill to this "exploit" as I call it.
I understand that salvaging wrecks out from under the actual wreck without the penalty of "stealing" is probably for the reason of player fleets that aren't same corp etc. I think there needs to be a fix to this. Possibly to allow the fleet commander to give "salvaging rights" to the players in the fleets, or even allow mission owners to "give" salvaging rights to anyone they want. That way if you are one of those lazy types who likes to scan down mission wrecks and pop in to take another players salvage... you suffer the same penalty as opening that wreck...unless you have "rights" to salvage.
There have been many times I wished I could simply target a thieving Kestrel and insta-pop him before Concord jumped me..
I'm just tired of wasting the little time I do have to play to people like this. I'm sure I'll get flamed up from you "hardcore" players and (Cyber-Spellcheckers) on this thread but, I really don't care..my point is made and I hope to see a solution of some type one day.
Keep up the good work CCP (saw the patch notes on fixing the annoying probe graphics).
You made a couple of good points... that is not a mini-profession that is an EXPLOIT of game mechanics which make playing this game pointless as single player.
Totally agree with your claims and its now too easy to enter other peoples missions to exploit and spoil the game to others.
Regarding some sugestions such as do missions elsewhere more calm... well if it doesn't work in one system it won't work on any system since it is too easy to find where the entrances for a mission are by just using 4 probes regardless which system is.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 21/08/2009 09:41:51
Answering "this game rule sucks" with "that's the game's rules" is a bit silly.
I did find it annoying when wrecks which I created were salvaged by others. If people came into my mission and killed the NPCs themselves, that would be another matter.
However, as has been said before, the problem with flagging ninja salvagers in missions is that week(s) old players would also be flagged in belts.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.21 09:43:00 -
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Make combat mission deadspaces lo-sec and the problem is solved to everyone's satisfaction: Missioners can shoot the salvagers as much as they want, for the price of a small sec-hit.
PS Dont forget to wait out that GCC timer guys.
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Vysnaite
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Posted - 2009.08.21 09:49:00 -
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Don't do missions. I never tried lvl 4 missions, because I know half of my potential income will be stolen (there are otehr ways to make isk). Either move to unpopulated areas or live with it. It will not change in the future. Another sollution is to have suicide gank alt. The destroyers (typical salvager ship) melt quickly you know :P
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WeaponsHot
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Posted - 2009.08.21 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: WeaponsHot on 21/08/2009 09:52:39
Originally by: Vysnaite Don't do missions. I never tried lvl 4 missions, because I know half of my potential income will be stolen (there are otehr ways to make isk). Either move to unpopulated areas or live with it. It will not change in the future. Another sollution is to have suicide gank alt. The destroyers (typical salvager ship) melt quickly you know :P
damn you I don't want more wanabe rats between Amarr-Jita spoiling my hunting grounds!
CCP sort it out... I want my PREY very happy doing LVL4 missions! Thank you!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.21 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vysnaite Don't do missions. I never tried lvl 4 missions, because I know half of my potential income will be stolen (there are otehr ways to make isk). Either move to unpopulated areas or live with it. It will not change in the future. Another sollution is to have suicide gank alt. The destroyers (typical salvager ship) melt quickly you know :P
You know, I've never seen a ninja salvager in any of my missions in nearly 3 years.
It almost feels like I'm missing out. Why the hate?
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.21 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gsptlsnz
Originally by: Lurana Lay Sadism in other words.
Schadenfreude isn't sadism, but perhaps they're related.
Sort of. Sadism is delight in directly causing pain. Schadenfreude is enjoyment of someone else's misfortune, whether you caused it or someone else did. A sadist laughs cos someone screams when their skin is peeled off. Someone indulging in schadenfreude laughs when a person falls down and skins their knee and cries out in pain.
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Vyktor Abyss
Gallente The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.21 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Fink Angel Edited by: Fink Angel on 21/08/2009 08:48:01 Yup, a real PITA, but at least Eve gives you the tools to deal with the problem:
- Pay a merc corp to dec them.
Edit: Dots. Ya gotta have dots in your presentation!
Good suggestions...And here's a few more:
ò Get a few salvagers into your corp and have them run missions with you ò Go to low sec and run missions there ò Stop running missions
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Zey Nadar
Gallente The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
What I find more than slightly hypocritical is that taking LOOT from these selfsame wrecks counts as aggression.. Yet salvaging them does not.
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: ropnes on 21/08/2009 11:46:46 We have "Schadenfreude" in Swedish too and IMO it's more like feeling good about bad things happening to people who had it coming, or less serious stuff. If you're mad at someone you're going to enjoy ruining their sand castle, that's not sadism
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WeaponsHot
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zey Nadar
Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
What I find more than slightly hypocritical is that taking LOOT from these selfsame wrecks counts as aggression.. Yet salvaging them does not.
To be fair with current game mechanics/exploits!
Then why not create another mini-profession - "space sweeper" for not only removing wrecks but also the garbage cans left in space!
Oh remember the little rats! Oh little rats would be out of business! oh damn! no space sweepers then!
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Generalissima
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:56:00 -
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I think that salvage should be able to be stolen.
However, I think that you should be able to SHOOT someone who is stealing your salvage without penalty.
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awayfromkeyboard
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:00:00 -
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this thread has convinced me that it is time to try a bit of ninja salvaging.
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Vysnaite
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Vysnaite Don't do missions. I never tried lvl 4 missions, because I know half of my potential income will be stolen (there are otehr ways to make isk). Either move to unpopulated areas or live with it. It will not change in the future. Another sollution is to have suicide gank alt. The destroyers (typical salvager ship) melt quickly you know :P
You know, I've never seen a ninja salvager in any of my missions in nearly 3 years.
It almost feels like I'm missing out. Why the hate?
nah no hate here. Just tired of both parties - people who get stuff stolen and salvaged from their missions and people who salvage them. Both seem to troll, flame, whine on these foums everyday.
Maybe I'll start doing some lvl 4 later, but not in where there is +20 in local.
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Viginti Tres
Remus inc Despoilment Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:32:00 -
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As soon as I see a ninja salvager, I just shoot the wrecks. F*ck them, if I can't have the money, they can't.
And if you're a full time ninja salvager and you're reading this - get a real job. Go do some missions for yourself.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Monstah Khaos I'm sure there are a million topics on this somewhere, but I really don't get to the boards much so here goes...
Salvaging in missions by other players..... I travel a lot for work between jan-nov and don't get to play but a couple hours a week. When I play for that short time I like to "carebear" it and run highsec missions. For the last 3 days, out of 15 missions I have ran, I have had players come in and salvage my wrecks for 13 of them. Sometimes they even start salvaging before I'm even finished with the room!! As long as I have aggro, they are free to steal from me. I even had a small gang of destroyers warp in and clear my rooms before I was finished...
What burns me about this is, there is absolutely nothing I can do about it right now unless I re-fit my mission runner to salvage as I go. What burns me about this is, the player has absolutely no risk in taking from me. Everyone knows that the salvaging in missions is where the money is in the long run. I like to build my own rigs for my ships or sell them, and I need THAT salvage to do so. I figure I have lost well over 100 mill to this "exploit" as I call it.
I understand that salvaging wrecks out from under the actual wreck without the penalty of "stealing" is probably for the reason of player fleets that aren't same corp etc. I think there needs to be a fix to this. Possibly to allow the fleet commander to give "salvaging rights" to the players in the fleets, or even allow mission owners to "give" salvaging rights to anyone they want. That way if you are one of those lazy types who likes to scan down mission wrecks and pop in to take another players salvage... you suffer the same penalty as opening that wreck...unless you have "rights" to salvage.
There have been many times I wished I could simply target a thieving Kestrel and insta-pop him before Concord jumped me..
I'm just tired of wasting the little time I do have to play to people like this. I'm sure I'll get flamed up from you "hardcore" players and (Cyber-Spellcheckers) on this thread but, I really don't care..my point is made and I hope to see a solution of some type one day.
Keep up the good work CCP (saw the patch notes on fixing the annoying probe graphics).
Hint: salvaging is not stealing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Bart Mag
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:52:00 -
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Just one question.
is it working as intended if a so called "mini profession" makes millions in minutes with nearly no risk at all? compare mining to ninja salvaging then.
It takes month to skill for a hulk. it takes luck, effort and time to find belts that actually have any ore in it. it takes a lot of money to skill and equip for efficient mining. it takes time and effort to mine, transport ore and survive the occasional suicide ganker.
a ninja salvager needs virtually none of this. a few skills learned in nearly no time, a cheap ship and euipment and you¦re good to go. risk free. make millions in minutes.
so why skill for a hulk, go ninja. i don¦t think that¦s working as intended.
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WeaponsHot
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Mag Just one question.
is it working as intended if a so called "mini profession" makes millions in minutes with nearly no risk at all? compare mining to ninja salvaging then.
It takes month to skill for a hulk. it takes luck, effort and time to find belts that actually have any ore in it. it takes a lot of money to skill and equip for efficient mining. it takes time and effort to mine, transport ore and survive the occasional suicide ganker.
a ninja salvager needs virtually none of this. a few skills learned in nearly no time, a cheap ship and euipment and you¦re good to go. risk free. make millions in minutes.
so why skill for a hulk, go ninja. i don¦t think that¦s working as intended.
good point indeed
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Mag Just one question.
is it working as intended if a so called "mini profession" makes millions in minutes with nearly no risk at all? compare mining to ninja salvaging then.
It takes month to skill for a hulk. it takes luck, effort and time to find belts that actually have any ore in it. it takes a lot of money to skill and equip for efficient mining. it takes time and effort to mine, transport ore and survive the occasional suicide ganker.
a ninja salvager needs virtually none of this. a few skills learned in nearly no time, a cheap ship and euipment and you¦re good to go. risk free. make millions in minutes.
so why skill for a hulk, go ninja. i don¦t think that¦s working as intended.
Hi sec mission runners don't get to complain about people making ISK with no risk. Not ever.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:03:00 -
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the real thing is, people yelled about jet can stealing till ccp made that flag, then it got used to bait people into attacking crummy ships, and then they would come back in something less crummy and blow miners up regularly. so now days most people just shrug and whine and never do anything about it.
now you want salvage theft to flag i assume, so you can pop their little cheap ships with your mission fit battleship that can go from the fairly cheap, to the billions of isk range, guy salvages your wrecks in a frigate or dessy you pop him he comes back 5 minutes later in a pvp fit ship with a few neuts scrams and some dps and pwns your mission fitted ship. careful what you wish for.
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Julian Lynq
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:39:00 -
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2 accounts, 2 screens, multitasking ability fixed
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 21/08/2009 13:43:17
Originally by: Fumen Hey, if mission ninja salvaging is sooo much better isk than running the mission, why not play WITH the rules and get out and do it yourself?
Salvaging someone elses mission is playing within the rules you nitwit. Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Dionisius
Gallente Saiyans United death from above..
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:45:00 -
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Personally i shoot the wrecks because i know i don't have the time to change ships without having some alt already in the mission salvaging them without even asking.
I had a conversation with a fellow the other night in Dod and he told me that i owned the loot and not the wreck blablabla, well i have to disagree on that one, while i did have all the trouble of tanking the rats and spending ammo to bring them down, he just scanned me and sat there watching while i did all the work, so in an aspect that makes the wrecks mine and not his.
So plain and simple.. i shoot the wrecks
I don't mind as mostly i am interested in the bountys and the eventual loot that i find interesting the rest is added income but.. eh i don't mind blowing it away just so the thieves can't get what i worked for.
I do hope CCP reconsider and make wreck salvaging come under the same rulling as looting and can stealing.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 21/08/2009 13:51:20 I find all this whining funny really. I got a mission guy, I never have a ninja salvager in my missions.
How do I do this you may ask?
Well, stay clear of mission hubs
Doing missions in a 200 man system and complaining that someone is salvaging the wrecks in that mission is ******ed, tbh.
Really, is friggin stupid.
It shows not thought at all.
It only shows that you are lazy, or maby you are just an isk seller alt who gets less isk to sell .
And some hints: Work in teams, you know this is an MMO? Get a dedicated salvager for copr and aplit profits, get an alt, go to other systems.
There are so many otion, but all you whining ******s can not manage to think at all it seems.
You really are stupid, I sincerly mean that.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:51:00 -
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Me too... although the whiners will still be here complaining about being ganked after firing on a "ninja salvager".
Still... their tears will be all the sweeter and it will make it so much easier for hte "ninja salvagers" to meet their objectives.
Yeah CCP, please go for this! Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Solar Blade
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Posted - 2009.08.21 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: minerboob Prepare for 9,000 flames about how its not "stealing" because its in open space..
however...
I AGREE 1,000% THIS IS MY #1 pet peeve with this game!!!!!!
Now, what I do is I clear my grouping on my launchers. Unlock all rats. Target up every wreak they get close to. As soon as they get near one fire a missile at it to destroy it. That way NOBODY gets the loot and you waste THEIR time also!!! Muahhahahaha..
I like that
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