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Lex Fasces
New Eden Renegades
9
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:51:00 -
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In short: I am looking for a short term bond of 10B to be repaid in full (+interest) 30 days from when the bond becomes filled. I am currently cross-region trading with 2 characters. I simply buy stuff in Jita and use public courier contracts to move the items to a smaller hub, where I sell them for a profit. The problem I have run into is that my Primary Target Hub has maxed out my current trading character (max order skills) and almost all of my ISK. In anticipation of this, I have trained up a second trading character that has enough skills for 229 orders. My intention is to move this character into a Secondary Target Hub and potential double my income. This is where you guys come in. I do not have the initial ISK investment to make significant headway in the Secondary Target Hub.
Current business: My current trading empire is worth around 20B when on the market (so between 13B and 15B Jita buy orders). It is a simple business and I only trade in items that are going to make immediate profits (if the sell order in target hub is higher than sell order in Jita) and almost no market manipulation is done as there are many more people out there with much more money than me. I sell all kinds of items and ships and have a very good turnover. I am currently making a solid 3B+ net profit per month from my Primary Target Hub. Just over a year ago I started trading with ISK from a single GTC. I am now funding two accounts and have almost no ISK worries in EvE. An audit can be arranged to prove all of this if required.
The Business Plan: Basically, I hope to move into a second hub as well as my first in an attempt to repeat the same success I have had in my first hub. All items will either be in station under my control (either in Jita or in the Secondary Target Hub on the market) or in a fully collateralised courier contract en route between the two. There is no risk at all from 3rd parties.
I am not willing to offer collateral due to all my ISK being tied up in my Primary Target Hub.
Assets: I have a few assets lying around worth about 1B that could be easily liquidated in an emergency. If anything happens to invested money, I can take items off my Primary Target Hub and sell them in Jita to reimburse. This is possible for the entire 10B bond.
Risks: Obviously the main risk is that this is a scam. All I can say is that is not a scam, as reputation is the most important thing in EvE and I have no intention of ruining mine for the sake of 2.5 months profit. I do have a job and a life outside of EvE so there is a chance I might die/incapped/coma whatever. As a result a close IRL friend has my login details and a link to this thread with details on how to pay out ISK.
Alts: Lex Fasces is my main. Devoider is the trading character for the Primary Target Hub. Rixx Javixx (a cheap imitation of the real one) is the trading character for the Secondary Target Hub. Omgomgogomgomgoaoa is the Jita buying character.
Exit Strategy: If this doesnGÇÖt end well, then I will be able to take the hit on my Primary Target Hub market orders and sell up to pay back the 10B invested ISK.
Payouts: 30 days from the end of the investment period, I will pay out your initial investment with your interest added on top. If you invest 100m, I will send back 110m. If you send 1B, I will send back 1.1B and so on.
Maximum Investment GÇô 10B Minimum Investment GÇô 500m Interest Rate GÇô 10% Length of Investment Period GÇô 30days
If you wish to invest, please put a post here, send an eve mail to Lex Fasces and send the isk to Lex Fasces with the reason: Investment.
Thankyou for your time.
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:59:00 -
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20b sent |
Lex Fasces
New Eden Renegades
9
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:45:00 -
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Investment closed for the moment.
Audit is being done / looked into. |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
71
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:42:00 -
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Seems to be impossible to get on bonds these days. Every time I find something promising it's filled already. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
517
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:45:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Seems to be impossible to get on bonds these days. Every time I find something promising it's filled already.
i`ll sell you a 5b chunk. i just found something i want to buy after i sent him the money this morning. just send me 5b and we`ll let him know i sold it to you. |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
71
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Posted - 2012.05.30 22:31:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Cebraio wrote:Seems to be impossible to get on bonds these days. Every time I find something promising it's filled already. i`ll sell you a 5b chunk. i just found something i want to buy after i sent him the money this morning. just send me 5b and we`ll let him know i sold it to you.
I was more thinking of a 2B chunk (Despite my age, I'm not space rich).
Since you're offline now, I just go ahead and send you 2B. Hope that's suffice for you.
(2B sent to Darth Tickles) |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
520
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Posted - 2012.05.30 22:44:00 -
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Received, thanks. Mail sent to Lex letting him know I transferred 2b worth to you.
That leaves 3b open if anyone else wants. |
Lex Fasces
New Eden Renegades
9
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Posted - 2012.05.30 23:33:00 -
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lol |
Dan Osiris
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:29:00 -
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did Cebraio just get scammed by a hijacker? |
Rykker Bow
4
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:48:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:
I was more thinking of a 2B chunk (Despite my age, I'm not space rich).
Since you're offline now, I just go ahead and send you 2B. Hope that's suffice for you.
(2B sent to Darth Tickles)
oh no, tell me you didn't
This bond is still under review mate. |
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Johnny Frecko
Fruidian Logic The Butterfly Effect Alliance
34
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:58:00 -
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Hoping he is joking. Hoping he is joking. please say you're joking.
PLEASE SAY YOU'RE JOKING. |
cigarellos
Trade Federation Directorate Trade Federation Alliance
30
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Posted - 2012.05.31 02:03:00 -
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Sith mind trick |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
522
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Posted - 2012.05.31 03:48:00 -
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well i sent the 20b and received the 2b....i hope i'm not out 18b here...
anyway, 3b still up for grabs if this bonds ends up not being a scam...if it is...ah well I guess |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
71
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Posted - 2012.05.31 06:12:00 -
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Rykker Bow wrote:oh no, tell me you didn't This bond is still under review mate. I did. Ok, fill me in on MD bond handling please: How does this review/audit work?
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Mme Pinkerton
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Posted - 2012.05.31 06:44:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Rykker Bow wrote:oh no, tell me you didn't This bond is still under review mate. I did. Ok, fill me in on MD bond handling please: How does this review/audit work? Lex Fasces closed the offering temporarily because of the lack of interest - he will have an internet spaceships accountant/detective ("auditor") go over his numbers who will then write a report for potential investors (along the lines of "I can confirm that Lex does indeed do station trading, he makes a nice profit doing so, what he told you about his NAV is accurate, he has not been engaged in any shady activities recently").
"would like to pledge 20b" is an EVE meme and not to be taken seriously.
Darth Tickles/SetrakDark/Elise DarkStar argues that there is no viable foundation for (unsecured) investments in this game - from his point of view the incentives to scam will sooner or later always overcome the incentives to stay honest. He thinks only the gullible throw their money at such offerings and while they are in the business of handing out free money why not get some for himself, too?
Now the slightly confusing part is that SetrakDark actually had a pretty good reputation on this forum and could have easily borrowed and stolen a nice chunk of ISK when he became disillusioned with the MD system - but he didn't. Maybe it's similar to the people who think that posting scams in Jita local is ok (because who could ever be so stupid to fall for them? trololol) but that scamming on this forum is condemnable for some reason?
I had considered a few times sending him the ISK he asked for myself just to force him into a decision (merely trolling or actually scamming?) but I guess you did that job for the rest of us.
tl;dr this offering isn't filled yet, Darth Tickles didn't invest 20b, he is trolling, Darth Tickles is not a character you want to send ISK (unless you had prior business dealings with SetrakDark), good luck trying to get your 2b back but please don't blame Lex for this. now back under old managemet. thanks to RAW who made this possible and VV who kept nagging me about it. |
Magnu Stormhawk
The Gentlemen's Club of EVE
14
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Posted - 2012.05.31 08:01:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Rykker Bow wrote:oh no, tell me you didn't This bond is still under review mate. I did. Ok, fill me in on MD bond handling please: How does this review/audit work?
Still hoping you are joking.
If not, you just bought your first lesson in EVE investing.
However, you might get lucky. I dont think ISK is Darth Tickles driving force. Who knows, you might find your 2b back in your wallet now that he has made a mockery of the system, and got his lulz. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1013
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Posted - 2012.05.31 08:47:00 -
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Mme Pinkerton wrote: now back under old managemet. thanks to RAW who made this possible and VV who kept nagging me about it.
Does this mean you are ... you again? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Mme Pinkerton
3
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Posted - 2012.05.31 09:10:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Mme Pinkerton wrote: now back under old managemet. thanks to RAW who made this possible and VV who kept nagging me about it.
Does this mean you are ... you again? it does now back under old managemet. thanks to RAW who made this possible and VV who kept nagging me about it. |
Lex Fasces
New Eden Renegades
9
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:23:00 -
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following some tips pointed out to me by VV im gonna close this bond for now and simply wait a month or two and use my own profits. |
Ariana DeSoto
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:40:00 -
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Just when I think I've seen it all in this game. WOW. Just WOW. Nice wallet throbbing. |
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
598
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Posted - 2012.05.31 14:01:00 -
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Well I guess I'm out 18b.
Well-played, Lex. I especially enjoyed the character assassination from your alt/friend...not just enough to take my money.
I just don't think I'm cut out for this game. |
Ariana DeSoto
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.05.31 14:05:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Well I guess I'm out 18b.
Well-played, Lex. I especially enjoyed the character assassination from your alt/friend...not just enough to take my money.
I just don't think I'm cut out for this game.
Contract your stuff to me. I'll hold on to it in case you decide to come back. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
598
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Posted - 2012.05.31 14:34:00 -
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Ariana DeSoto wrote:Contract your stuff to me. I'll hold on to it in case you decide to come back.
All I have left is that 2b...I'm probably better off just giving it away before somebody else takes it from me, then calls me a bunch of mean names to boot. |
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION
114
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Posted - 2012.05.31 14:57:00 -
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im gone for a month and people send over 20b without any questions for "trading bonds"? What has happened to my beloved MD? |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
598
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Posted - 2012.05.31 15:04:00 -
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Gatan Hahran wrote:im gone for a month and people send over 20b without any questions for "trading bonds"? What has happened to my beloved MD?
I guess I'm just not as smart as everyone else.
This is probably it for me in this game...I just got wiped out sending Cebraio back his 2b... |
Rykker Bow
6
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Posted - 2012.05.31 15:06:00 -
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Gatan Hahran wrote:im gone for a month and people send over 20b without any questions for "trading bonds"? What has happened to my beloved MD?
No. And nothing, it's as lively as ever. This is drama at it's highest level. |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
73
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Posted - 2012.05.31 16:01:00 -
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Thank you, Mme Pinkerton, for the lengthy and enlightening explanation! Much appreciated!
Mme Pinkerton wrote: "would like to pledge 20b" is an EVE meme and not to be taken seriously.
I missed that meme. I guess I should have read MD more often instead of just browsing through it.
I'm not blaming anyone, except myself. I should not make investments after a few beers and shortly before going to sleep - maybe I should not make them at all. Well, for the time being it's not an option anyway.
Darth Tickles wrote: This is probably it for me in this game...I just got wiped out sending Cebraio back his 2b...
Would be nice if this actually happened. Until then, I'm accepting donations. |
Ariana DeSoto
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.05.31 16:30:00 -
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Don't be to hard on yourself Cebraio. It's stuff like this that makes this game so much fun. Hell, I lost 8B once cause I was drunk and stoopid and didn't bother to scout the next gate. |
Rykker Bow
6
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Posted - 2012.05.31 16:40:00 -
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Ariana DeSoto wrote:Don't be to hard on yourself Cebraio. It's stuff like this that makes this game so much fun. Hell, I lost 8B once cause I was drunk and stoopid and didn't bother to scout the next gate.
agree completely. We've all lost something (T4U was my downfall), chalk it up to experience and get back to having some fun in the game |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
598
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Posted - 2012.05.31 16:41:00 -
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Wow...and now I'm being scammed by my fellow scammee after I was kind enough to send him back the last 2b I had.
I guess it just goes to show that strangers have no incentive to deal honestly with you, nor are there real repercussions to them not doing so. In addition, it is impossible to verify and evaluate the statements of others, and people will even use alts or friends to back up their lies.
Well that's a costly lesson learned for me about the nature of Eve. With that in mind, if anyone is feeling generous enough to just give me some start up money, even a few hundred million, that would be greatly appreciated. I think we all deserve a second chance. I'd say I'd pay it back when I could, but I think we've all learned what value the promise of a stranger holds in Eve. |
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