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Lars Hamburg
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:34:00 -
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It would be nice to have equipment grouped by what it does and its variations. Like:
Afterburners. Move your ship faster. Use for pvp advantage, quicker salvaging (or whatever. I lack the experience to know what else). Variations: Afterburner 1, 2... Tengu Propulsion Fuel Catalyst (actually I just pulled this from Eve Mon, don't know if it really fits here, but it seems like a specialized "go faster" item.) MWDs might fit under here? Or do they function significantly different?
As I work to shed newbie status and start thinking about what I'd like to do, it would be easier with a fuller awareness of what fitting options are out there - what combinations of things my ship can be made to do.
I would be surprised if this doesn't already exist somewhere, what with all of the effort so many have put into this game.
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Pan Dora
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:48:00 -
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market browse.
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Lars Hamburg
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:06:00 -
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Of course browsing the market offers a lot. But I'm left Getting Info one by one, reading the description, looking over attributes, trying to absorb what they mean, remember them, and then look at the next item. Try to compare it to the last one. Sounds similar, but must have some slightly different function?
I just wondered if someone had compiled a guide somewhere.
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Olvel
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:11:00 -
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You can browse the market, instead of searching for something specific. This groups items together to a certain degree. All the ship equipment is in one place... With propulsion stuff grouped under there... And that's broken down into afterburners and MWDs...
It isn't necessarily garonteed to show you everything though. I believe it only shows what is available for sale around you. So if absolutely nobody is selling a 100MN MWD, it won't be listed, and you wouldn't necessarily even know it existed.
There is also the Item Database here on the website.
It also breaks things up into various categories, much like browsing the market does. But it shows everything that's available.
I believe that if you look at an item's properties, there's a tab to compare the variants... But I can't log in right now so I'm not certain of this.
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Mr Reason
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:28:00 -
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Here's how I did it; rightclick->info on everything you see, read all the tabs and try to have it make sense.
After a while you'll get the hang of it, applying that knowledge and numbers is ofcourse something else but you can learn a whole lot from simply taking the time to read it all.
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Lars Hamburg
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:33:00 -
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Item Database - pretty close to what I was looking for. Thanks!
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Pan Dora
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lars Hamburg Item Database - pretty close to what I was looking for. Thanks!
But its not alway up to date. Get EFT and evemon. They probably have what you are looking for (and a bit more).
When browsing at the market for item comparission purposes remenber to unchek [show only avaliable] |
Haguu
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.08.21 18:51:00 -
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I agree; I certainly could have used something that listed items by functionality (increase cap) than by marketgroup.
As a newbie, I find that a majority of questions are, correctly, answered with EFT, EVEMon, or "good riddance, go back to WoW"
EFT is amazing, but as it is created by/for experts, there is not much "task-oriented" help. I.e., everything is there in wonderful detail, but I have not found ways to do task-specific issues: e.g., show me what fits in a low slot or show me what increases power. As 99% of the people using the tool know this completely, it would only be a minor time savings for them. At first, I found color-coding the items by slot helped; e.g. low slots were earth brown, sky blue for high, ... so when you clicked on the category you saw where the items went.
The easiest solution would be for someone to reprocess the XML (XSLT? *shudder*) of the items into a dynamic javascript spreadsheet so you could sort the columns.
A backend solution would be a way to query items from a fansite database - e.g. I want to see T1 quality items that fit in a mid slot and use less than 5 CPU.
A way overkill solution is that a tool, EFT in particular, could just do the LP (linear programming) math to compute the alternatives that fit and rank them by your criteria.
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2009.08.21 23:06:00 -
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In the info pane, there's a tab with "variants" which will allow you to compare various attributes of a selection of modules that are like the one you've selected.
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Pan Dora
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.08.21 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Haguu I agree; I certainly could have used something that listed items by functionality (increase cap) than by marketgroup.
Actualy they are meant to be functionality groups. There is some stuff that could be in a diferent group (eg: nanofiber could be better at [propulsion upgrades] than in [hull upgrades], since it increase inertia and speed and decrease struture) but mostly thing are in the rigth place. (eg, moudules that affect cap recharge under [engineering equipment].
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Neckbeard Griefmonger
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Posted - 2009.08.22 18:42:00 -
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Ummm, have you noticed the "compare" feature?
Find an item, then go to variants and you will get a compare button. Click that and you get all the variants, and options to view whatever feature you want.
If you want to compare different item that aren't on the variants tab, (like comparing different race's ships) you can open the compare for one item, then get the info for the second item and compare that. They the variants for both items will be on the compare page. You can remove any variants you don't' want to see, and you can pick which attributes you want to compare.
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2009.08.23 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kezzle on 23/08/2009 09:46:06 Something I forgot last time: if you hold shift when you press the info button, the info will show in a new pane rather than as a new page in the existing pane. This way you can see attributes side-by-side.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.23 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kezzle Edited by: Kezzle on 23/08/2009 09:46:06 Something I forgot last time: if you hold shift when you press the info button, the info will show in a new pane rather than as a new page in the existing pane. This way you can see attributes side-by-side.
The page-in-pane function was added a few expansion ago. Personally I find it kinda annoying and have turned it off (should be somewhere in the General Settings). -----
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