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Seraph IX Basarab
Vengance Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:09:00 -
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I understand if you had bombs in high sec Jita undock would be getting bombed all day every day but what is the reason bombers can't deploy bombs in low sec? |
Roisin Saoirse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:12:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:I understand if you had bombs in high sec Jita undock would be getting bombed all day every day but what is the reason bombers can't deploy bombs in low sec? I have to admit, I'm also curious as to the 'official' reasoning. |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx Luna Sanguinem
116
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:15:00 -
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Because CCP said so. |
Singoth
Kronos Fleet
35
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:16:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Because CCP said so. /thread. Less yappin', more zappin'! |
Embrace My Hate
Barr Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
95
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:16:00 -
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More than likely because you would hit gates/guns/stations and every other object unintentionally? Or possibly because you might kill pods accidentally? Either way the aggro/sec status mechanics would cause bomber tears I think.
Either way bombing is a bit of an anti blobbing mechanic and suits null-sec better than anywhere amirite? |
Seraph IX Basarab
Vengance Inc.
11
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:19:00 -
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Embrace My Hate wrote:More than likely because you would hit gates/guns/stations and every other object unintentionally? Or possibly because you might kill pods accidentally? Either way the aggro/sec status mechanics would cause bomber tears I think.
Either way bombing is a bit of an anti blobbing mechanic and suits null-sec better than anywhere amirite?
<<< Bomber. No tears from sec status anything. If I don't want an issue I won't bomb. |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
128
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:26:00 -
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So far, not convinced. Having accidentally "smart" bombed a gate which any ship can do in any space I don't see the AOE issues at all.
Yes, Ima Bomber I'm an American, English is my second language... |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
564
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:26:00 -
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Because there have to be functional differences between lowsec and nullsec. eh |
Seraph IX Basarab
Vengance Inc.
11
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:29:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Because there have to be functional differences between lowsec and nullsec.
Yeah can't have bubbles. Yeah Sec status. Yeah you can't hold sov. Enough differences. Not any good reason we can't drop bombs in low sec. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
564
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:32:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Because there have to be functional differences between lowsec and nullsec. Yeah can't have bubbles. Yeah Sec status. Yeah you can't hold sov. Enough differences. Not any good reason we can't drop bombs in low sec.
Bombers are only truly balanced in bubble land. eh |
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Seraph IX Basarab
Vengance Inc.
11
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:34:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Because there have to be functional differences between lowsec and nullsec. Yeah can't have bubbles. Yeah Sec status. Yeah you can't hold sov. Enough differences. Not any good reason we can't drop bombs in low sec. Bombers are only truly balanced in bubble land.
Actually bubbles and bombing go hand in hand. Best bombing is when the target is bubbled or else if they are aligned they can get out. |
ErrorRon
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2012.05.30 23:26:00 -
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Lowsec is still empire space. Just without Concord. 0.0 is lawless space. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
341
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Posted - 2012.05.30 23:30:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Because there have to be functional differences between lowsec and nullsec. Yeah can't have bubbles. Yeah Sec status. Yeah you can't hold sov. Enough differences. Not any good reason we can't drop bombs in low sec. Bombers are only truly balanced in bubble land. Actually bubbles and bombing go hand in hand. Best bombing is when the target is bubbled or else if they are aligned they can get out.
Then the entire bomber detachment gets shredded by fast locking anti support before the bombs go off, thus nutting them. That's a really dumb idea. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Vengance Inc.
12
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:22:00 -
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ErrorRon wrote:Lowsec is still empire space. Just without Concord. 0.0 is lawless space.
So what?
SmilingVagrant wrote:Then the entire bomber detachment gets shredded by fast locking anti support before the bombs go off, thus nutting them. That's a really dumb idea.
You're clueless. Go ahead and try that. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
344
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:23:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote: You're clueless. Go ahead and try that.
Uh ok. Done. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Vengance Inc.
12
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:25:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote: You're clueless. Go ahead and try that.
Uh ok. Done.
Link? |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
344
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:30:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8656967 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8656967 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8579892 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8693252
Here you go. A fine collection of bombers that warped into hictor bubbles and got shredded just by me. In each one of these instances the bombers were coming in multiple waves and other people with fast locking ships were killing the others. Warp mechanics state that if you enter warp while the bubble is aligned and on grid: you will be pulled into the bubble, or at least the edge of it.
A common 0.0 antibomber tactic is to pile up a lot of anti support ships and sit the entire fleet in a hictor/dictor bubble till it's time to start moving again.
Welcome to school. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Vengance Inc.
12
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:33:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8656967 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8656967http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8579892http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8693252Here you go. A fine collection of bombers that warped into hictor bubbles and got shredded just by me. In each one of these instances the bombers were coming in multiple waves and other people with fast locking ships were killing the others. Warp mechanics state that if you enter warp while the bubble is aligned and on grid: you will be pulled into the bubble, or at least the edge of it. A common 0.0 antibomber tactic is to pile up a lot of anti support ships and sit the entire fleet in a hictor/dictor bubble till it's time to start moving again. Welcome to school.
It's called have your warp away set as something other than the bubble. Catching a few idiots doesn't change anything. Doesn't matter how many times you go to school if you flunk. |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:39:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
It's called have your warp away set as something other than the bubble. Catching a few idiots doesn't change anything. Doesn't matter how many times you go to school if you flunk.
How many bombs have you deployed?
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Seraph IX Basarab
Vengance Inc.
12
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:41:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
It's called have your warp away set as something other than the bubble. Catching a few idiots doesn't change anything. Doesn't matter how many times you go to school if you flunk.
How many bombs have you deployed?
More than I can remember. |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
345
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:44:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
It's called have your warp away set as something other than the bubble. Catching a few idiots doesn't change anything. Doesn't matter how many times you go to school if you flunk.
A proper anti-support hurricane can lock in the time it takes you to motor out or align from the bubble edge. If you train people to constantly look for bombers, you will begin to see fits with scan res's pushing ~1600 which can lock up frigate sized targets in virtually no time. Sure it has a paper thin tank: But when your tootling in the middle of a big battleship fleet which is a juicy target for bombers: No one shoots the hurricane. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Vengance Inc.
12
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:57:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
It's called have your warp away set as something other than the bubble. Catching a few idiots doesn't change anything. Doesn't matter how many times you go to school if you flunk.
A proper anti-support hurricane can lock in the time it takes you to motor out or align from the bubble edge. If you train people to constantly look for bombers, you will begin to see fits with scan res's pushing ~1600 which can lock up frigate sized targets in virtually no time. Sure it has a paper thin tank: But when your tootling in the middle of a big battleship fleet which is a juicy target for bombers: No one shoots the hurricane.
What you are describing is a custom fit ideal situation. Now I can retort with my own custom fit ideal situation where you have oracles sniping for no tank hurricanes and we can go back and forth on this. This is akin to me trying to explain how to throw a proper punch and you saying "But if i move to the left i can totally leg sweep you."
Here's the first hand experience i've had with those sort of ships. They generally don't stay with the group because if you bomb the group, they'll be the first to die anyway. So they usually orbit off in the distance away from the main group in which case they die from the alpha of 4 bomber's torps. They can uncloak, put res damps and fire torps 10 KM away before the cane pilot has a chance to tap his mic button and scream "i'm ******." |
Msgerbs
Aliastra Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.05.31 01:07:00 -
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Because generally speaking AOE is something reserved for nullsec. AOE warp disruption, AOE damage, etc. |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
322
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Posted - 2012.05.31 01:26:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:I understand if you had bombs in high sec Jita undock would be getting bombed all day every day but what is the reason bombers can't deploy bombs in low sec?
I've never heard a good reason for bombs to not work in low sec.
I've heard some bad ones though.
"Low sec is where newer pvpers go to learn, and are more likely to be in smaller ships that could be insta'd by bombs before they get their feet wet, discouraging them from further exploring the profession."
Of course this is false, because, with rare exception, most low sec pvp occurs at gates, which doesn't go well with smaller ships.
Remove sentry guns from low sec, and allow bubbles and bombs!
Anyone else heard some really BAD reasons why bombs shouldn't be deployable in low sec? ... |
Selw kotsidakia
Three Deep Cuts
2
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Posted - 2012.05.31 01:30:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8656967 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8656967http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8579892http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8693252Here you go. A fine collection of bombers that warped into hictor bubbles and got shredded just by me. In each one of these instances the bombers were coming in multiple waves and other people with fast locking ships were killing the others. Warp mechanics state that if you enter warp while the bubble is aligned and on grid: you will be pulled into the bubble, or at least the edge of it. A common 0.0 antibomber tactic is to pile up a lot of anti support ships and sit the entire fleet in a hictor/dictor bubble till it's time to start moving again. Welcome to school. It's called have your warp away set as something other than the bubble. Catching a few idiots doesn't change anything. Doesn't matter how many times you go to school if you flunk.
You can also align out towards the bubble and still warp out!
But let him beleive the right way to counter a bombing run is to sit in bubble. There is noooooooooo way another cloacky will give a good warp spot without getting the squad bubbled and i am sure those stoopid bombers will not have a warp out point so even a ceptor wont be able to lock them! Sure it will end well for those smart guys in their own bubble! |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1100
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Posted - 2012.05.31 01:55:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:I understand if you had bombs in high sec Jita undock would be getting bombed all day every day but what is the reason bombers can't deploy bombs in low sec? I've never heard a good reason for bombs to not work in low sec. I've heard some bad ones though. "Low sec is where newer pvpers go to learn, and are more likely to be in smaller ships that could be insta'd by bombs before they get their feet wet, discouraging them from further exploring the profession." Of course this is false, because, with rare exception, most low sec pvp occurs at gates, which doesn't go well with smaller ships. Remove sentry guns from low sec, and allow bubbles and bombs! Anyone else heard some really BAD reasons why bombs shouldn't be deployable in low sec? Low sec is generally a place that is considered "safe" in terms of pods and smaller ships. Allowing bombs would mean a lot more pod losses and probably a bit of sneakily bombing gates just as a a transport/cov ops is warping to it to jump.
Not that id personally be against it, but im guessing that's CCP's reason.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
75
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Posted - 2012.05.31 02:14:00 -
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Why aren't bombs aloud in low sec?
CCP still wants consequences for Low Sec agression.
Low Sec has consequences, just not as many consequences as High Sec. Low Sec space has gate and station guns. Everything that aggresses on gate or station gets shot at by those same guns. If a person can bomb a gate, and if your a bomber pilot worth anything at all your going to be aligned out for insta warp right after you launch your bomb, you can get around the consequences of Low Sec gate/station gun fire. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2012.05.31 02:15:00 -
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Same reason warp disruption bubbles arent allowed. |
B0rg Hakaari
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.05.31 02:21:00 -
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In the Age of Terrorism...is it too much to ask for bombs in high-sec also? |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
345
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Posted - 2012.05.31 03:11:00 -
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Selw kotsidakia wrote: You can also align out towards the bubble and still warp out!
But let him beleive the right way to counter a bombing run is to sit in bubble. There is noooooooooo way another cloacky will give a good warp spot without getting the squad bubbled and i am sure those stoopid bombers will not have a warp out point so even a ceptor wont be able to lock them! Sure it will end well for those smart guys in their own bubble!
Look at who doesn't know how bubble mechanics work when warping in line. |
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