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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:06:00 -
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Aura Mega
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:41:00 -
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Tortugan
F9X
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 22/08/2009 17:40:19
Originally by: Fille Balle Right, now it's called a kill mail. Not a: selfdestruct because you are made of fail mail.
If you want a kill mail, make sure you bring what's needed to get one. If you start generating killmails via selfdestruct, then you might as well remove the whole mechanic. Selfdestructing has other uses as well:
1. denying your enemy intel 2. denying your enemy a morale boost 3. very tasty tears to fuel some towers 4. denying your enemy any loot
You want a kill mail, kill something. Other than that, you can always just copy paste this:
You killed a leviatan, U R f'ing awesome. Gratz. You win eve!
PS: e-peen
I concur... Additionally.. I've always been an avid Nerf Killmails Camp guy.
Don't buff them.
Killmails are seriously a massive breech in intel... I would be content to know that a kill took place and said parties where involved but no specific stats...
This is one of the reasons I refuse to post/buy/publish a kill board... its just stupid waving of e-peens.
Yes... I won't deny the value of data for intel for enemies or ship reimbursement programs but it is wholly a waste of time and nothing but e-peen stroking.
I'm not stupid enough to think CCP will ever hear me out on that one but I'm entitled to my opinion.. flame away.
I'm just not into that sort of thing.... If I wanted to see what was fitted.. I'll slap a damn ship scanner on my ship... that's what its for isn't?
If I want to deny you intelligence by self destructing... well screw you pal... : O P It's my choice and right.
The intel argument is reasonable. Would you be willing to compromise in generating self destruct killmails that don't show what modules were fit? That way we still get to stroke our e-peens, but you get the satisfaction of knowing that your enemies wont know about that officer co-processor on your moa :D
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Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tortugan
Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 22/08/2009 17:40:19
Originally by: Fille Balle Right, now it's called a kill mail. Not a: selfdestruct because you are made of fail mail.
If you want a kill mail, make sure you bring what's needed to get one. If you start generating killmails via selfdestruct, then you might as well remove the whole mechanic. Selfdestructing has other uses as well:
1. denying your enemy intel 2. denying your enemy a morale boost 3. very tasty tears to fuel some towers 4. denying your enemy any loot
You want a kill mail, kill something. Other than that, you can always just copy paste this:
You killed a leviatan, U R f'ing awesome. Gratz. You win eve!
PS: e-peen
I concur... Additionally.. I've always been an avid Nerf Killmails Camp guy.
Don't buff them.
Killmails are seriously a massive breech in intel... I would be content to know that a kill took place and said parties where involved but no specific stats...
This is one of the reasons I refuse to post/buy/publish a kill board... its just stupid waving of e-peens.
Yes... I won't deny the value of data for intel for enemies or ship reimbursement programs but it is wholly a waste of time and nothing but e-peen stroking.
I'm not stupid enough to think CCP will ever hear me out on that one but I'm entitled to my opinion.. flame away.
I'm just not into that sort of thing.... If I wanted to see what was fitted.. I'll slap a damn ship scanner on my ship... that's what its for isn't?
If I want to deny you intelligence by self destructing... well screw you pal... : O P It's my choice and right.
The intel argument is reasonable. Would you be willing to compromise in generating self destruct killmails that don't show what modules were fit? That way we still get to stroke our e-peens, but you get the satisfaction of knowing that your enemies wont know about that officer co-processor on your moa :D
Fair enough. Supported then.
And thank you for being reasonable and cooperative. 07 ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
rEvolutionTU
Liquid Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.22 21:19:00 -
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+1
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Cyrus Doul
Nictus Astartes
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Posted - 2009.08.22 21:59:00 -
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Do the CCP's ever look in assembly hall? would be neat to see how many gigs of space the KM's take up on the server.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.23 08:48:00 -
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much needed. Thanks to Mistress for the excellent series of Loophole posts ---
Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam |
Cribb
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.23 15:24:00 -
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I don't see why Sd-ing should be adressed. It's a tactic to keep the honour to yourself, that KM junkies see this as a loophole is there problem. It silly to generate a KM when you Sd just to get to your clone station when not having a cj available.
So the only reason you wan this is to boost your ego.
------- When in doubt, play loud
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Arcturus Io
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.23 15:40:00 -
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+1
MS for CSM
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LOPEZ
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.23 18:27:00 -
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SSteejans
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Posted - 2009.08.24 00:36:00 -
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so so very much agreed. tackling and putting a mothership into structure only to have it self-destruct and drop no loot and give no killmail SUCKS.
he wouldnt be blowing himself up if we werent shooting him.. therefore we get credit for the kill! _______________ if CCP's logs really never show anything, i have to wonder, do they even have logs? |
Yarael5
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 11:50:00 -
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+1
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Miyamoto Uroki
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.08.24 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Tortugan
Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 22/08/2009 17:40:19
Originally by: Fille Balle stuff...
The intel argument is reasonable. Would you be willing to compromise in generating self destruct killmails that don't show what modules were fit? That way we still get to stroke our e-peens, but you get the satisfaction of knowing that your enemies wont know about that officer co-processor on your moa :D
Fair enough. Supported then.
And thank you for being reasonable and cooperative. 07
That's an acceptable compromise. Killmail without modules being shown on it is okayish. Support for this solution...
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The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 12:30:00 -
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---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Aditia Holdem
Doom Guard Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 12:47:00 -
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supported except for pods
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LlamaOfDoom
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 12:50:00 -
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Levistus Junior
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:44:00 -
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I agree with the fact that ships that self-destruct in combat should generate a killmail(with the mention that the said ship self destructed). However, I don't think that unagressed ships that aself destruct due to varios reasons that are unrelated to combat(insurance fraud, inability to transport them etc) should appear on the KBs.
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159Pinky
Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:09:00 -
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I agree something should be done to avoid this. But I also agree with the fact that there may be an issue of keeping fit secret etc etc So maybe the solution is not: generate a killmail, but something else. 1) This happens a lot with capitals, so just extend the timer for a capital self destruct to 5min. This should provide the attacker enough time to kill the enemy ship. 2) Do not give an insurance compensation if a pilot self destructs. ATM the only disadvantage to a self destruct goes to the one who survives. By denying the insurance payout to the loser he also loses by self destructing. So if he wants to get some money ( even default payout ) he should let his opponent destroy him.
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 22:20:00 -
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Removing insurance payout for self-destruct always seemed reasonable.
I'm a combat history buff myself, so I actually consider the km generation more important, but would be perfectly happy to see the insurance payout nuked as well.
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Rogerano
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 04:42:00 -
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Raised too many times by too many people to be ignored. For the love of all things exploding please fix! --- Not happy with something in EVE? An emo whine will doubtless help your cause. |
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.08.25 04:49:00 -
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I'd maybe support this under 2 conditions:
1) killmail is generated empty, i.e. no fittings shown
2) self-destruct timer removed completely, i.e. instant self-destruct
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MeatyBites
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 10:30:00 -
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+1
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Kuentai
Wrath of Fenris Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.25 11:25:00 -
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Kalvor Azrael
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 12:14:00 -
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Agreed
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Sazuka Kirr
Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2009.08.25 15:10:00 -
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The broken mechanic is self destructing, not the lack of the killmail ... not signed.
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Priscilla Pegasus
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Posted - 2009.08.25 15:58:00 -
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It should be a finished off killmail like in TF2
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General Minos
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:34:00 -
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Please CCP give the people who work hard at obtaining kills something for their efforts.
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HZAL
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 21:24:00 -
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+1
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Poreuomai
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 28/08/2009 12:58:27
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ToonS Goldstein
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Posted - 2009.08.28 22:45:00 -
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