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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:25:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:So you're sacrificing two-thirds of your tank for a survey scanner.
Again, stupidity is not a game balance problem.
It's useful module so you don't waste 2,5 minutes mining almost empty asteroid.
In nullsec everything is automated so it's scrap metal in there. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1741
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:27:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:So you're sacrificing two-thirds of your tank for a survey scanner.
Again, stupidity is not a game balance problem. It's useful module so you don't waste 2,5 minutes mining almost empty asteroid. In nullsec everything is automated so it's scrap metal in there.
So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Spineker
161
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:30:00 -
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Why don't hi-sec miners have a Carrier on stand by... oh wait because Null sec Epeens cried. |
Ituhata Saken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
211
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:35:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:So you're sacrificing two-thirds of your tank for a survey scanner.
Again, stupidity is not a game balance problem. It's useful module so you don't waste 2,5 minutes mining almost empty asteroid. In nullsec everything is automated so it's scrap metal in there. So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience.
I was going to ask what the purpose of the survey scanner was. Really, if that's all it tells you is whats left, so what? Target the multiple asteroids you're sitting on and be ready to roll your strip miners over to the next.....oh right ,forgot can't do that while AFK. You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
Kimmi Chan
Perkone Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:35:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:So you're sacrificing two-thirds of your tank for a survey scanner.
Again, stupidity is not a game balance problem. It's useful module so you don't waste 2,5 minutes mining almost empty asteroid. In nullsec everything is automated so it's scrap metal in there. So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience.
I believe that is exactly what he is saying.
Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:39:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience.
What's properly fit Hulk then? One that will never get ganked.
There isn't one. |
Kimmi Chan
Perkone Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:41:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience. What's properly fit Hulk then? One that will never get ganked. There isn't one.
Why do you think that a Hulk is the only mining vessel in Eve?
Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:46:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Why do you think that a Hulk is the only mining vessel in Eve?
Show us how to fit a tank to Covetor. Because it looks like we carebears are bad at this game. |
Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
62
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:51:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience. What's properly fit Hulk then? One that will never get ganked. There isn't one. Why do you think that a Hulk is the only mining vessel in Eve?
I suppose gankers could gank in other ships than destroyers and feel like it was well worth it? |
Kimmi Chan
Perkone Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:58:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Show us how to fit a tank to Covetor. Because it looks like we carebears are bad at this game.
Why do you believe that a Hulk and a Covertor are the only mining vessels in the game?
Spikeflach wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience. What's properly fit Hulk then? One that will never get ganked. There isn't one. Why do you think that a Hulk is the only mining vessel in Eve? I suppose gankers could gank in other ships than destroyers and feel like it was well worth it?
Gankers can gank in any ship they want with varied success/reward. Miners can mine in any ship they want with varied success/reward.
And both of them can do it without changing the mechanics of the game.
Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:59:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience. What's properly fit Hulk then? One that will never get ganked. There isn't one.
One that is tanked such that it's unprofitable to gank. 30k EHP is fairly unprofitable to gank.
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Why do you think that a Hulk is the only mining vessel in Eve? Show us how to fit a tank to Covetor. Because it looks like we carebears are bad at this game.
The Rokh mines more Ore than a Covetor and tanks better than some Orcas. At the same time. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:07:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:The Rokh mines more Ore than a Covetor and tanks better than some Orcas. At the same time.
I want to see 290k EHP fit with eight Modulated Deep Core Miner IIs right now.
Edit: Because it doesn't really require effort to get over 200k in Orca. Even with cargo rigs.
[Orca, 214k EHP]
Reinforced Bulkheads II Damage Control II
[Empty Med slot] [Empty Med slot] [Empty Med slot] [Empty Med slot]
[Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
Large Cargohold Optimization II Large Cargohold Optimization II Large Cargohold Optimization I |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:15:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:The Rokh mines more Ore than a Covetor and tanks better than some Orcas. At the same time. I want to see 290k EHP fit with eight Modulated Deep Core Miner IIs right now.
Some Orcas.
I see plenty of people fitting their Orcas with 2x Cargo Expanders.
Anyway, here's 258 EHP, beating your Orca. With gang links from the Orca, it's 306. 322 with Implants.
[Rokh, Mining Rokh]
Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Drone II x5
EDIT: How could I forget the DCII. Guy below has the better one. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:20:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:I see plenty of people fitting their Orcas with 2x Cargo Expanders.
Then they do it wrong. How can someone not see potential of that huge structure HP?
Hell, even without Bulkheads it's still over 170k. |
FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
139
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:21:00 -
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relevant:
http://imgur.com/exO2u Shift click to open new window. How the Eve Sandbox Works:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176 "I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:23:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:I see plenty of people fitting their Orcas with 2x Cargo Expanders. Then they do it wrong. How can someone not see potential of that huge structure HP? Hell, even without Bulkheads it's still over 170k.
How can someone not see the potential of that Medium Shield Extender on a Hulk? Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
717
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:24:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:I want to see 290k EHP fit with eight Modulated Deep Core Miner IIs right now. k
http://i.imgur.com/K3rZz.jpg eh |
Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
62
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:26:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:
Gankers can gank in any ship they want with varied success/reward. Miners can mine in any ship they want with varied success/reward.
And both of them can do it without changing the mechanics of the game.
Cool, so let face it then people, ganking in battleships would be ideal as you can probably gank any exhumer, tanked or not tanked, without fail.
Or wait, is there a more logical reason ganking exhumers is done with destroyers?
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
308
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:29:00 -
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You know..
There could be a gap in this area to allow a fun new module for the orca to use on other mining ships.
Hows about a module that uses X cap a second to run and while activated on a ship in range creates a "Remote shield generator over charger".
The idea being when activated this module will buff the target mining ships shields by say... 10k.. or maybe 20k? And let it run all its highs to protect some hulks, only one allowed to be activated on any mining ship at any time.
could be good for low sec 0.0 as well as high sec.
not a bad idea i think :) http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:41:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:How can someone not see the potential of that Medium Shield Extender on a Hulk?
Increase in EHP is around 5000. LSE would be nice, but no grid for that.
Tengu as off grid booster in hisec. Nice, but it doesn't mine more than Covetor. |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1741
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:49:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:How can someone not see the potential of that Medium Shield Extender on a Hulk? Increase in EHP is around 5000. LSE would be nice, but no grid for that.
It's a 50% increase in your tank, taking you from 20k to 30k EHP.
Quote:Tengu as off grid booster in hisec. Nice, but it doesn't mine more than Covetor.
Never said it did. You demanded something specific and ridiculous. So because you didn't think far ahead enough to make it actually impossible, you had to move the goalposts yet again.
A max 4x MLUII mining Rokh mines more than a Covetor and has about 115k EHP. There is no way to cost effectively gank that ship. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:59:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:It's a 50% increase in your tank, taking you from 20k to 30k EHP.
Who said I have Hulk with crappy tank? It's mixed yield+tank fit with 25k (28k overheated) against thermal. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1741
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Posted - 2012.06.01 06:04:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:It's a 50% increase in your tank, taking you from 20k to 30k EHP. Who said I have Hulk with crappy tank? It's mixed yield+tank fit with 25k (28k overheated) against thermal.
Have you recently suffered a Head injury?
Jorma Morkkis wrote: Concord response time is 30 seconds in if you know what you're doing. T2 fit Catalyst does 700 dps.
That's enough time to destroy Hulk with 20k EHP.
Sad but true.
Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:T2 Catalyst is quite expensive for a suicide gank, 15m to get an average of a 10m Isk loot drop. A tanked Hulk also has has 30k EHP, not 20k, but we've been over this before. Every time we point out where you're wrong, you make up something new that's also wrong. Remove medium extender -> 20k-22k EHP.
I don't care what your fit is, you were making a claim based on your assertion that a tanked Hulk has 20k EHP. Now you admit that you knowingly advanced a false assertion in an argument. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
738
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:28:00 -
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Warp velocity of a quadruple webbed Hulk = 7 m/s, max velocity = 9 m/s. Align to station and mine. Insta-warp if nervous.
Other ships can be used. Armor tanked Scorpion makes a quad web for two Hulks.
[Bestower, Webber] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II
Small Tractor Beam II Mining Laser I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:32:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Warp velocity of a quadruple webbed Hulk = 7 m/s, max velocity = 9 m/s. Align to station and mine. Insta-warp if nervous.
Other ships can be used. Armor tanked Rokh makes a good triple web (11 m/s) for two Hulks.
[Bestower, Webber] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II
Small Tractor Beam II Mining Laser I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I
They can also spider web, if you're willing to bounce safes for 60s or have a POS set up. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
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