My twelve bots don't have any friends in the ice fields anymore!

There are lots of other good games out there, I tried some last weekend. I personally tried BSG online last weekend, found it pretty interesting. In the short term, if you look for me I'll be there. Bye

People need to stop blaming players for a ******, boring game mechanic that is called 'mining'. Blame CCP.

Next time don't play sandbox games.

Did you actually read OP's post? The problem is ganking, not mining. The problem is the people who only get their rocks off by ruining somebody else's day. OP didn't actually blame anybody.

Why don't you grow up and stop telling other people what to do? Eve is not a sandbox any more. It's a field of bullies.

Aren't you quitting?

There are lots of other good games out there, I tried some last weekend. I personally tried BSG online last weekend, found it pretty interesting. In the short term, if you look for me I'll be there. Bye

I play eve for the same reasons as you, to escape from reality and to relax, shame that others can't understand that there are people who play eve for completely different reasons.


For me personally, i'll quit when Im not allowed to play the game my way, regardless of what anyone thinks. It could be mission running now but it could be some sort of pvp in the future. I'll quit eve if some other spaceship game comes out that has player driven market but with less douches, until then eve is the only game to play.

Eve is a thinking game that requires you to adapt to the actions of others. You are obviously unable or unwilling to do this. I would suggest you avoid sandbox games in the future, as you don't appear to have the sort of mindset/expectations that would make one fun for you.

You don't actually PvP do you?

joins boxing club

complains about getting punched and how boxing is too violent, he just wanted to hang out and exercise with ripped dudes

joins boxing club

complains about getting punched and how boxing is too violent, he just wanted to hang out and exercise with ripped dudes

Check the corp im in

OK, I got to say this debate is pretty getting pretty old. This thread is an attempt to ask a simple question.

I did, they don't and you don't

Eve is a thinking game that requires you to adapt to the actions of others. You are obviously unable or unwilling to do this. I would suggest you avoid sandbox games in the future, as you don't appear to have the sort of mindset/expectations that would make one fun for you.

Im sorry that I don't enjoy doing the things you enjoy doing

"Fueled By Tears and the Fail Whale"

^You are the type of person that i just can't stand in ANY game

I ask this mostly because, it appears CCP is actually siding with the gankers here

Ditto,

You posting a whine while referencing your non-existent PvP experience as if to bolster your point.

Can't stand guys like you either.

Next time don't play sandbox games.

EvE is not a Sandbox game, please learn the definistion of a Sandbox. EvE has sandbox elements but it is not a true sandbox game.

Currently EvE is controlled by pvpers, which means it is not a true sandbox because in a Sandbox, a single group/type of players cannot control the game. Its not hard to understand but you idiots just want to keep saying its a sandbox over and over again, it does not make it true.

I honestly believe most of these raging people, determined to preserve there rights to ruin your day are simply un happy people, lashing out the only way they know how, or the only way they can. Life probably sucks for them, so they feel the need to be mean in Eve, since there real lives probably suck that much.

you know CCP recently nerfed ganking to the ground right?
which ironically is exactly why it has now become so popular...
i see the current state of ganking to be a giant F U to CCP's caving to carebear tears and whines.

Or listen to tards like this.

Tal

He's been quitting for over a month now it seems.

Also I'll be sure to look up Minmatar Citizen 121123433 on BSG later on.

Wait...i thought pvp was when i was trading stuff too ?! OH MAH GODS.
Please make up your damn mind, is pvp shooting other players only or interacting with anything player related ?
What whine ? You whined that i don't pvp :S, stop whining already, geeeeez.
Won't feed you anymore of my delicious tears though, you might gain weight.

He's four days old with a name moderated by CCP and he's already quitting.

For those that actually made it thru my little ramble here I got to ask you, GÇ£Miners, care bear sorts pleaseGÇ¥. At what point will you determine that Eve isnGÇÖt fun any more, and itGÇÖs time to move on?

OK, I got to say this debate is pretty getting pretty old. This thread is an attempt to ask a simple question.

Ok, yea, most mining is a simi AFK sort of thing. I even do it that way. Set back set the miner to go, while paging between a few different clients. I never do it when IGÇÖm PVPGÇÖing, but will usually be running toons running haulers, and such. I do market stuff too. Actually I do this mostly, my main source of income within the game.

I do PVP, havenGÇÖt been much of a ganker, not really interested in it honestly. I truly do believe the people that do this, are simply into ruining other peoples day period. I donGÇÖt think there is a mean one in the bunch, in the real world. I actually think quit the opposite.

[quote=Twulf]Not totally true. Miners industry and other fields have just as much importance to eve as pvpers. Not our fault highsecer's imagine space is safe. Its not. Never was never will be. Indy corps need security thats a fact. If you don't protect your business it will fail. True there is no true sandbox out there. But eve is best example sandbox game out in the markets.

From what I hear however from older players is that ccp has taken away sandbox features than giving us pvpers more freedom.. They've done alot to make ganking less profitable than before. So you carebears CCP has made this game safer for you.

But space isn't ever truely safe.

Amayzing post, double digit IQ at work.

Im sorry that I don't enjoy doing the things you enjoy doing

"Fueled By Tears and the Fail Whale"

^You are the type of person that i just can't stand in ANY game

Eve is a thinking game that requires you to adapt to the actions of others. You are obviously unable or unwilling to do this. I would suggest you avoid sandbox games in the future, as you don't appear to have the sort of mindset/expectations that would make one fun for you.

I'm new to EVE, about a week or so. Can i just ask, why don't miners just join a corp and get someone from that corp to protect them while they mine and offer some of their reward as payment? Are there no corps that offer this kind of service? I find it hard to imagine. It sounds like solo-mining is just asking to get ganked. You will never change human nature, easy kill, easy reward, why not? Its been this way since the dawn of the genre. Ganking just human nature at work.

Coming into this game i expected 'protected' mining to be a thing of the norm, but you're telling me there's hundreds of people out there mining in dangerous space completely unprotected? Makes no sense. :S

Holy **** you all just got called out by a newbie. I'd be embarrassed that he found a solution that you couldn't.

Lemme ask you, if you go into the playground, and go into the sandbox, and all the little boys and girls are trying to stuff sand up their own butts, and you decide that particular game isn't for you, does that mean you don't like sandbox games??

All these pointless whining topics when all it takes are the miners going to a quiet highsec system so they can DScan for probes when a new face shows up in local, or even warp out to a new system if the new face is negative security. Hell, not even that, but just be aligned and warp out if you see a ship coming closer to you on DScan.

No, much easier to ***** and moan about having to work at keeping your ship alive. You know, like every other person who flies an expensive ship they don't want to lose has to do.

Holy **** you all just got called out by a newbie. I'd be embarrassed that he found a solution that you couldn't.

Uh, yes? Nobody's forcing you to shove sand up your butt. The fact that some people are doing it is making you quit means, yeah, you don't like sandbox games.

And no, nobody's forcing you to freaking learn basic fitting, scanning and alignment techniques here in EVE.

You're totally free to not do that. Just as other players are totally free to take advantage of the fact that you aren't doing that.

*sniff*Why don't you grow up and stop telling *sniff* other people what to do? *sniff sniff* Eve is not a sandbox any more. It's a field of bullies :cry:.

I'd like to point out that it's alot of people doing the shoving, then forcing you to do something similar to the shoving. it doesn't help that the active forum goers tend to be either whiners or kids pointing and laughing.

All these pointless whining topics when all it takes are the miners going to a quiet highsec system so they can DScan for probes when a new face shows up in local, or even warp out to a new system if the new face is negative security. Hell, not even that, but just be aligned and warp out if you see a ship coming closer to you on DScan.

okay, so here's a possibly new way to look at this. so many people find mining a boring part of this game only there to support your non mining habits... now take out the mining being nessacary as you're now just destroying the miners to get their goods. what will ccp do if the miners all quit because they were all stupid and kept getting destroyed... put in npc hulks for you to gank? i don't like the whole concerted effort to gank you think and i'm getting so effing tired of seeing all this "adapt or die" crud but it's true. if you wanna stay in the game make a concerted effort to keep them from taking aay your enjoyment. are you a casual gamer? for m a large enough corp/alliance of casual gamers so that there are enough of you on at any given time to defend each other. if you're making enough money to pay for this only casually then you're making enough money to buy plex to stimulate your economy...

that being said i enjoy mining. and don't look to kindly on those taking away my enjoyment of mining. you say it's boring i say screw you. just because i don't find flying a plane entertaining doesn't mean i'm going to repeatedly crash your plane and laugh at you.

Confirming I am a man-child who is also gay, because adults are not allowed to have fun.

To be honest, we'd just find something else to suicide gank. That wouldn't happen though because there are always people eager & willing to mine.

Adapt & survive or fail & die.

why do you suicide gank stuff anyays? cause it's fun?

second quit trolling it's not becoming.

I play eve for the same reasons as you, to escape from reality and to relax, shame that others can't understand that there are people who play eve for completely different reasons.

Eve is a thinking game that requires you to adapt to the actions of others. You are obviously unable or unwilling to do this. I would suggest you avoid sandbox games in the future, as you don't appear to have the sort of mindset/expectations that would make one fun for you.

The issue isn't there are no rules, but the rules favor griefers too much.

Highsec isn't sandbox, there are rules. The issue isn't there are no rules, but the rules favor griefers too much.
Also, being forced to stop doing something with no way of opposing it has nothing to do with inteligence. Inteligence is about adapting, but you can't adapt to hulakgeddon if you are an industrial player, there is simply no way.

I love idiots using labels they don't understand.

Highsec isn't sandbox, there are rules. The issue isn't there are no rules, but the rules favor griefers too much.
Also, being forced to stop doing something with no way of opposing it has nothing to do with inteligence. Inteligence is about adapting, but you can't adapt to hulakgeddon if you are an industrial player, there is simply no way.

I love idiots using labels they don't understand.

OK, GÇ£Miners, care bear sorts pleaseGÇ¥. At what point will you determine that Eve isnGÇÖt fun any more, and itGÇÖs time to move on? I think many have already reached this point. Who really wants to hang out with a bunch of Mean people. I donGÇÖt, do you?

Please donGÇÖt miss interpret me, every player does in fact have the right to do anything they want in this game within the EULA. I will support this to the max.

My specific question is, when do you decide you donGÇÖt want to do anything at all in Eve?

it has nothing to do with inteligence. Inteligence is about adapting, but you can't adapt to hulakgeddon if you are an industrial player, there is simply no way.

I love idiots using labels they don't understand.

That's why you guys lost a freighter full of Zydrine a month ago, right? Because we all know that's what corpies do. Run around being baby sitters for Industrial Ops.

****-talking trolls.

Farewell OP.

Uh, yes? Nobody's forcing you to shove sand up your butt. The fact that some people are doing it is making you quit means, yeah, you don't like sandbox games.

And no, nobody's forcing you to freaking learn basic fitting, scanning and alignment techniques here in EVE.

You're totally free to not do that. Just as other players are totally free to take advantage of the fact that you aren't doing that.

I love idiots posting about intelligence while clearly having none.

If miners would protect themselves, tank, form up real fleets with a little protection and stop worrying about isk/hour over everythign else eventually ganking would be less successful and eventually slow right down again.

But, lets face it. Miners wont do that they will shout for CCP to help them and all jump on the "If I tell the world Im unsubbing then CCP will fix this for me" bandwagon.

Fix it yourself, or (and I really dont like to say this because I personally dont want people unsubbing) Eve is better off without you. Stop demanding that CCP force people to stop doing something, especially as its something you can stop them doing to yourself.

If miners would protect themselves, tank, form up real fleets with a little protection and stop worrying about isk/hour over everythign else eventually ganking would be less successful and eventually slow right down again.

But, lets face it. Miners wont do that they will shout for CCP to help them and all jump on the "If I tell the world Im unsubbing then CCP will fix this for me" bandwagon.

Fix it yourself, or (and I really dont like to say this because I personally dont want people unsubbing) Eve is better off without you. Stop demanding that CCP force people to stop doing something, especially as its something you can stop them doing to yourself.

Why don't you grow up and stop telling other people what to do? Eve is not a sandbox any more. It's a field of bullies.

And would you tell me how that would work against ganking? As idea is to get one shot kills before concord shows up?

Miners tanks up, gankers bring couple extra ships => dead miner again.

I guess you are right it is starting to get harder to justify spending $$$ on paying to play EVE but not for the reason you are mentioning. The game has become flat with the same old things on offer as were on offer years ago.

The fact that CCP are basically giving us shinny things & no real new content it tells me that maybe EVE has had it's best days.

Watching the number of people just logging into the game over the last 6 or so months shows a decline in numbers which continues to grow. Just how much are CCP banking on Dust514? If Dust fails what happens with EVE?

Of course it's ganking. It's always ganking.

Nah for some titans and motherships are a reason to start whining on the forums.Sov mechanics is a reason to start whining on the forums.Income for empire players is a reason to start whining.

But they changed that far ya didn't they?HTFU , adapt or die eh? The irony of what you guys puke out is just too big.

Holy **** you all just got called out by a newbie. I'd be embarrassed that he found a solution that you couldn't.

OK, I got to say this debate is pretty getting pretty old. This thread is an attempt to ask a simple question.

Ok, yea, most mining is a simi AFK sort of thing. I even do it that way. Set back set the miner to go, while paging between a few different clients. I never do it when IGÇÖm PVPGÇÖing, but will usually be running toons running haulers, and such. I do market stuff too. Actually I do this mostly, my main source of income within the game.

I do PVP, havenGÇÖt been much of a ganker, not really interested in it honestly. I truly do believe the people that do this, are simply into ruining other peoples day period. I donGÇÖt think there is a mean one in the bunch, in the real world. I actually think quit the opposite.

I honestly believe most of these raging people, determined to preserve there rights to ruin your day are simply un happy people, lashing out the only way they know how, or the only way they can. Life probably sucks for them, so they feel the need to be mean in Eve, since there real lives probably suck that much.

Most people would consider me a type GÇ£AGÇ¥ personality type, I love serious competition, to me ganking has never been about that.

For me, Eve is a bit of an escape from reality of sorts. I honestly think it is for most people. Honestly my life is stressful enough, and challenging to boot, and does suck quite frequently.

I play Eve to relax and have a good time.

I was in an ice belt last night, one I mine from time to time, Not frequently. I remember warping in there, and seeing at least 30 GÇô 100 people, or toons if you like, working mining Ice. Last night there were non, I honestly didnGÇÖt believe it.

For those that actually made it thru my little ramble here I got to ask you, GÇ£Miners, care bear sorts pleaseGÇ¥. At what point will you determine that Eve isnGÇÖt fun any more, and itGÇÖs time to move on? I think many have already reached this point. Who really wants to hang out with a bunch of Mean people. I donGÇÖt, do you?

Please donGÇÖt miss interpret me, every player does in fact have the right to do anything they want in this game within the EULA. I will support this to the max.

My specific question is, when do you decide you donGÇÖt want to do anything at all in Eve?

I ask this mostly because, it appears CCP is actually siding with the gankers here, and it is there game no bones about that. The game has changed as we know it, many congratulations to the Gankers.

There are lots of other good games out there, I tried some last weekend. I personally tried BSG online last weekend, found it pretty interesting. In the short term, if you look for me I'll be there. Bye