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Drahreg
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:16:00 -
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One member of our alliance told me that he lost a Hulk severals days ago. He was docking at a station in 0.9 sec when his ship was shot and even the pod destroyed. It seems that Concord arrived and killed the agressor but after a few minutes he bragged in local how easy it was and how much loot he gained. I cant really believe that since my Hulks have about 6000 Hitpoints and doubt that they can be wiped out within seconds. What kind of a ship could deal that much damage to make 6000 HP in one or two volleys. To my disappointment my "friend" could not produce a killmail so we are still wondering how something could happen.
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Drahreg To my disappointment my "friend" could not produce a killmail so we are still wondering how something could happen.
I'd say it's not worth wondering until you see a killmail. No need to wonder at something that's either very obvious once you see it, or non-existent because it never happened.
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Peckles
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:25:00 -
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It can happen
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:54:00 -
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6000 hp is so much dawg, I don't know any ships that could do that.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 26/08/2009 15:57:42 Alpha of a torp raven would come close, though it wld be t2 and kind of expensive so not worth it..(for suicide ganking that is) EVE history
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:20:00 -
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a few can do .. maelstrom with 8 x 1400MM t2 with quake and 4 gyro II and 4 garde II with 5% damage + 5% damage implants can deal 8.5 K volley..... won hit anything smaller than a dread most times although :P SO not very useful capability. If concord takes more than 8.1 seconds to arrive then you get a second salvo even...
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Drahreg I cant really believe that since my Hulks have about 6000 Hitpoints and doubt that they can be wiped out within seconds.
Not that hard, really. Two to three volleys from just about any battleship with high-damage short-range ammo at high enough skills should do the trick.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 26/08/2009 16:52:51
Originally by: Drahreg I cant really believe that since my Hulks have about 6000 Hitpoints and doubt that they can be wiped out within seconds. What kind of a ship could deal that much damage to make 6000 HP in one or two volleys.
Several T1/Named fit battleships, probably most of them actually. 6000hp should take 4-7 seconds, depending on ship/fit and "luck", with costs being trivial at worst, thanks to insurance.
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Cleopatty
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:52:00 -
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more suicide gankers use bs fitted with smartbombs.
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Drahreg
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Drahreg on 26/08/2009 17:00:51 Here is the original killmail. It was a Caracal Navy Issue with Scourge Heavy Missiles
Victim: Corrianna Kohen Corp: Herrscher der Zeit Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Destroyed: Hulk System: Mies Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 3573
Involved parties:
Name: tical31 (laid the final blow) Security: 1.0 Corp: Garden of Eden Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Ship: Caracal Navy Issue Weapon: Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Damage Done: 3573
Destroyed items:
Expanded Cargohold II Small Shield Extender I Mining Drone I, Qty: 4 (Drone Bay) Hobgoblin II, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay) Modulated Strip Miner II, Qty: 2 Mining Laser Upgrade I
Dropped items:
Shield Recharger I Concentrated Veldspar, Qty: 54496 (Cargo) Veldspar Mining Crystal II, Qty: 3 Survey Scanner II Mining Drone I (Drone Bay) F-S15 Braced Deflection Shield Matrix Hobgoblin II, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay) Modulated Strip Miner II
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Wideen
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:05:00 -
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Killed one about 30 minutes ago, it took I believe 4 salvos in my ham drake which adds up to less than 10 seconds (used javelins which were preloaded) otherwise I'd say even faster
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:37:00 -
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Something else is going on there, I think. If someone suicide ganked a Hulk in a Caracal Navy Issue, he lost more money that possibly could have dropped in loot. What's the pod killmail? While a Navy Caracal might be able to kill a Hulk before Concord and the station guns blew it up, there's no way it would survive long enough to lock a pod and then kill it afterwards. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
debbie harrio
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:40:00 -
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Learn to fit hulks correctly for a start, small shield booster (gisti type A usually) and resists and your friend would not have lost it, you are talking about a 100 mill ship failfitted...
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Caelum Mortuos
Gallente Zero G Research and Development
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: debbie harrio
Learn to fit hulks correctly for a start, small shield booster (gisti type A usually) and resists and your friend would not have lost it, you are talking about a 100 mill ship failfitted...
Right, everybody fit your hulks with mods worth more than the hull that make no difference whatsoever in a gank situation!
A shield booster, no matter how impressive or omgefttank you may think it is, will not save you against a suicide gank that is based on alpha. If the ganking ship can punch you straight to armour, which it should, then you're basically throwing away a faction booster as well as your ship
Tanking for 0.0 rats != protecting yourself against a suicide gank
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:49:00 -
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A little Google searching found the killboard. This happened July 2nd, and the pod kill is there too. They're both solo kills by the same pilot. He did not lose any ships July 2nd, which means he wasn't Concorded. So, either the alliance mate was a legitimate war target or something else happened to make it a legal fight. Perhaps the hulk pilot had engaged him when he flipped a can. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Cleopatty
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:51:00 -
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concord wont help you if 1) kill rights 2) aggro countdown. maybe your can was flipped and you didn't relize it?
so, stop jet canning and this won't happen to you.
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Caelum Mortuos
Gallente Zero G Research and Development
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin DeVries A little Google searching found the killboard. This happened July 2nd, and the pod kill is there too. They're both solo kills by the same pilot. He did not lose any ships July 2nd, which means he wasn't Concorded. So, either the alliance mate was a legitimate war target or something else happened to make it a legal fight. Perhaps the hulk pilot had engaged him when he flipped a can.
Most suicide gankers don't post their loss to concord. Not saying it didn't go down like that, but just because he hasn't posted his NPC loss doesn't mean it didn't occur.
The idea of suicide ganking using a navy caracal is pretty lol though so I doubt it was a suicide gank
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.26 20:21:00 -
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I don't get it.. he lost a hulk and pod while he was docked in a station?
Quote: (gisti type A usually)
Work on your tanking, engineering, and electronics skills and ditch this. It cost more than the value of your hulk and will draw more potential suiciders than it's worth. Use a Gistii-B Small Shield Booster or a Small Shield Booster 2 if you can fit it.
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Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.26 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Drahreg
Victim: Corrianna Kohen Corp: Herrscher der Zeit Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Destroyed: Hulk System: Mies Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 3573
I'd say that was less than 6000... Yes, that's a couple of salvos at most from a BC, and a single salvo from a BS.
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Khors
Amtek Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.26 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus Vindictus
Originally by: Drahreg
Victim: Corrianna Kohen Corp: Herrscher der Zeit Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Destroyed: Hulk System: Mies Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 3573
I'd say that was less than 6000... Yes, that's a couple of salvos at most from a BC, and a single salvo from a BS.
Killmails dont take resinstance into the number. So if he had resists at 50% and 6000 ehp, that would show at around 3000 damage taken on the mail.
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xxxak
Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.26 21:06:00 -
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I think something is wrong with your story.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.08.26 21:12:00 -
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I'm sure it wasn't a suicide gank. If it was just outside a station (as the victim claims to have been docking at the time) then in addtion to Concord, the sentry guns would have turned on the Caracal if it had been an illegal aggression. Since it was a .9 security system, Concord response would have been damned near instantaneous. I doubt the shooter would have been able to get a second volley of had that been the case. I'm quite certain he would not have survived long enough to pop the hulk, lock the pod, and pop the pod afterwards. That tells me it was a legal kill.
To me the likely true story is one of three:
1) Victim is lying about how this happened, 2) Shooter stole from the victim's can, and victim responded with drones, thus making himself a legal target for a time, 3) Shooter flipped the can, victim failed to notice and "stole" the ore back right before docking. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.26 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Khors
Killmails dont take resinstance into the number. So if he had resists at 50% and 6000 ehp, that would show at around 3000 damage taken on the mail.
What you're saying doesn't make sense. If she had 50% resists on 6000 EHP, she would have taken 12000 damage to get killed. Whatever damage she took is what killed her regardless of resists, and that's 3573, not 6000.
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Kat Bandeis
Caldari Virtual Rock Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.26 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Caelum Mortuos
Originally by: debbie harrio
Learn to fit hulks correctly for a start, small shield booster (gisti type A usually) and resists and your friend would not have lost it, you are talking about a 100 mill ship failfitted...
Right, everybody fit your hulks with mods worth more than the hull that make no difference whatsoever in a gank situation!
A shield booster, no matter how impressive or omgefttank you may think it is, will not save you against a suicide gank that is based on alpha.
I was thinking the same thing... A shield booster on a Hulk? WTF???
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Alty McAltyalt
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Posted - 2009.08.26 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus Vindictus
Originally by: Khors
Killmails dont take resinstance into the number. So if he had resists at 50% and 6000 ehp, that would show at around 3000 damage taken on the mail.
What you're saying doesn't make sense. If she had 50% resists on 6000 EHP, she would have taken 12000 damage to get killed. Whatever damage she took is what killed her regardless of resists, and that's 3573, not 6000.
Quoting for lulz.
You're wrong, and the other guy is right. Raw HP is all the KM shows. With 50% resists, Effective HP is 2x Raw HP. The 6000whatever number the OP came up with is obviously EHP, not Raw HP, and the KM bears that out. |
Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin DeVries I'm sure it wasn't a suicide gank. If it was just outside a station (as the victim claims to have been docking at the time) then in addtion to Concord, the sentry guns would have turned on the Caracal if it had been an illegal aggression. Since it was a .9 security system, Concord response would have been damned near instantaneous. I doubt the shooter would have been able to get a second volley of had that been the case. I'm quite certain he would not have survived long enough to pop the hulk, lock the pod, and pop the pod afterwards. That tells me it was a legal kill.
To me the likely true story is one of three:
1) Victim is lying about how this happened, 2) Shooter stole from the victim's can, and victim responded with drones, thus making himself a legal target for a time, 3) Shooter flipped the can, victim failed to notice and "stole" the ore back right before docking.
/Thread, this is basically it.
Can someone check if they wardecced one or the other?
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Doctor Cal'torien
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Posted - 2009.08.26 21:50:00 -
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from reading everything else i say it was a legal kill. if concord was gonna respond then the agressor would never have been able to pop a pod
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Tauranon
Gallente Wandering Provocateurs Communitas
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Posted - 2009.08.26 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus Vindictus
Originally by: Khors
Killmails dont take resinstance into the number. So if he had resists at 50% and 6000 ehp, that would show at around 3000 damage taken on the mail.
What you're saying doesn't make sense. If she had 50% resists on 6000 EHP, she would have taken 12000 damage to get killed. Whatever damage she took is what killed her regardless of resists, and that's 3573, not 6000.
The killmail shows the hitpoints removed at the target (after resistances), not the hitpoints fired by the aggressor (before resistances). My alts hulk is 21k EHP, with even resistances (ie you'd have to fire 21000 damage at it to pop it), but a KM for it would still show the raw hps of the fit, which is obviously much less than 21000.
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TheMaster42
Lobster Gazelle Unicorn
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Posted - 2009.08.26 22:36:00 -
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Hulks never jet can, and also you can't pod in can flipping situations.
Grats on not knowing you're wardecced, I suppose?
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Lego Maniac
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.08.26 22:36:00 -
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TL;DR
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