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Synex
Gallente Oursulaert Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:35:00 -
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Here's a little background on me:
I've been around since the server went live back on 06/05/03. I've been an industrialist all my life, and massed a small fortune. I took a break from Eve between 06 - 08, RL got in the way.
I spend most of my time in High-Sec space, simply because i enjoy the peace and quiet, and it supports my need to be filthy rich. I have a wife, which means that often i'll have to drop what i'm doing and go find out what she's babbling about. I run some L4 missions, do some research and manufacture some ships, and generally have a good time.
For you pirate types i'm probably a carebear, but i don't shy from a fight, i enjoy having pirates in the game, and i don't come to the forums whining when i get ganked.
And ganked i've been. In my time i've lost Freighters full of Ferrogel, faction ships will full faction fits. I've been high-sec smartbombed, low-sec gate camped, ganked, tackled, been in fleet ops, just and recently lost a hauler full of about 1B of stuff... It's all fair in Eve. You take the good with the bad. I've lived in high-sec, I even lived out in Fountain back when the Fountain Alliance was there and found 0.0 very safe. (Props to BIG! Miss those days)
But i've never spent much time in low-sec.
Now if you read the forums, or even talk to most high-sec dwellers in game, they'll tell you low-sec is a dangerous place to be, more dangerous than 0.0.
So i thought i'd throw some money at the problem and go looking for a fight, and try and find out the answers to some common questions.
- Why are the pirates are moaning about carebears all the time?
- Is it really that bad to avoid fighting and just want a quiet life?
- Is low-sec as bad as everyone makes out, and how dangerous is it to live there?
- Will all high sec carebears shrivel and die if they enter low-sec?
Watch this space... Synex Oursulaert Industries
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Synex
Gallente Oursulaert Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:36:00 -
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Synex
Gallente Oursulaert Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:36:00 -
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Lifelongnoob
Caldari Final Conflict UK
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Lifelongnoob on 28/08/2009 16:03:52 low sec is bad if u are an industrial because industrial ships fail at defending themselves
low sec can be fun if your ship can tank sentry guns as well a pirates.
low sec is bad if your a noob and cant fight cos your skill points prevent you from having a hope
low sec should be better varied in terms of concord activity 0.4 should have concord turn up but after a 60 second delay where as 0.1 should mean concord should take 5 minutes before showing up. (currently 0.4 is probably more dangerous then 0.1)
avoiding conflict is ok for alot of people i actually like fighting but as often is the case in low sec you are way outnumbered... most pirates dont want to solo pvp these days
pirates complain about carebears cos they can and it makes them feel good
something pirates dont realise is that carebears are mostly industrial characters (alts) that have spent all their training time doing industrial skills (and yes it takes ages to train them) and not pvp skills. this is why they avoid low sec cos their toon simply has no hope at winning a fight cos its not trained to fight.
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Alora Venoda
GalTech Whiskey Creek Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:06:00 -
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there are lots of [non-pvp players] in lowsec... especially now that blockade runners can warp while cloaked. in most lowsec systems that are close to hi-sec, you will typically find many POS towers with moon harvesters and reactors that are maintained by only a few industrialists. in deeper lowsec, you see mostly harvesting and alliance supported operations.
~~~~~ Remember, EVE is a sandbox and other MMOs are rock gardens. Pretty rocks can be collected, but collecting sand is pointless. Instead build a sandcastle and keep it from being knocked down. |
Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:06:00 -
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hi cat here
i am very experienced in anti piracy and one thing that i have learned is that i dont think pirates have souls
pirates make me so mad lol
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Yay! Six months of defending! \o/ <3 to Abrazzar! |
mcnuggetlol
Amarr Via Crucis Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:06:00 -
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If you scout ahead for gatecamps, keep an eye on local and stay aligned while doing whatever, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to live in lowsec happily.
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Oscardoodle
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:13:00 -
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Lowsec is perfectly safe as long as you don't afk stuff like in highsec. It forces you to pay attention.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
i am very experienced
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
i am very experienced in anti piracy and one thing that i have learned is that i dont think pirates have souls
pirates make me so mad lol
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Good to see that apparently, I enrage you in every forum post :)
Forum piracy ftw!
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
i am very experienced in anti piracy and one thing that i have learned is that i dont think pirates have souls
pirates make me so mad lol
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Good to see that apparently, I enrage you in every forum post :)
Forum piracy ftw!
you dont enrage me lol its just you are usually unhappy about something or other
if you need to talk any time you know where to find me
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Yay! Six months of defending! \o/ <3 to Abrazzar! |
The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Synex Why are the pirates are moaning about carebears all the time?
Basicly a conflict of interests and a very diffrent point of view how to play the game.
Originally by: Synex Is low-sec as bad as everyone makes out, and how dangerous is it to live there?
The dangers of low sec are mostly overrated by a lot of people. It is not this hard to live there if you adopt and pay attention. A lot of space is preaty eamty actualy. The diffrence is that in high sec concord will protect you, in 0.0 your alliance/blues will defend the space you live in, in low sec you have to defend yourself.
Originally by: Synex Will all high sec carebears shrivel and die if they enter low-sec?
Yes they will, by the same reason a kid that can¦t swim will sink if you drop it in a swimmingpool. Thats not paticular the fault of low sec itself, but most likely the first experience a new player or a player that wents there the first time will make.
---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Wang Chow
Caldari Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:18:00 -
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I don't hate carebears, the're nice, they fund my wallet, and provide me with something to target practice with.
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rodensteiner
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 18:39:00 -
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Don't know about the rest you folks, but every time I see Cat post, I want to take a 10-lb. sledgehammer and smash my monitor to bits.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.28 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: rodensteiner Don't know about the rest you folks, but every time I see Cat post, I want to take a 10-lb. sledgehammer and smash my monitor to bits.
You're only dealing with a symptom of the problem.
Like putting a bandaid on a bullet hole.
Deal with the problem. --Vel
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: rodensteiner Don't know about the rest you folks, but every time I see Cat post, I want to take a 10-lb. sledgehammer and smash my monitor to bits.
I actually like my monitor though, that's the difference. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:21:00 -
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I like cat. My monitor on the other hand is just some crappy acer TN panel
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rodensteiner
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Nib
Originally by: rodensteiner Don't know about the rest you folks, but every time I see Cat post, I want to take a 10-lb. sledgehammer and smash my monitor to bits.
I actually like my monitor though, that's the difference.
Thing is, I'm at work. So if for some reason my 22" Dell flatscreen "stops working" I get a new one.
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AtheistOfDoom
Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lifelongnoob
low sec should be better varied in terms of concord activity 0.4 should have concord turn up but after a 60 second delay where as 0.1 should mean concord should take 5 minutes before showing up. (currently 0.4 is probably more dangerous then 0.1)
CONCORD should be nowhere outside of high sec. EVER. Pew Pew Lazorz!!! |
SomeHardLovin
Critical-Mass
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: SomeHardLovin on 28/08/2009 19:42:38 I want me a 23" 1920x1280 screen.. have to get on that. Taking donations.
Umm anyhow..
Low sec isn't scary.. BUT most wanna-be Pirates freequest lowsec.. so you have an unbalanced number of people flying around in there griefing. Its often very populated (or at least freequented) and full of people lookin' to cause trouble. You can however generally fly from gate to gate.. or gate to space station without anyone bugging you unless you have a huge hauler load of awsome stuff.
0.0 has bubbles on gates that pull you in.. often resulting in death. This in my opinion is the ONLY added danger to 0.0. If it wern't for the bubbles I could fly around in there with no problems. 0.0.. in general.. is empty.. so its actually safer.. once you get past the choke points and into deeper space. This is why its a bad idea to take a slow ship out solo in 0.0. ---
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rubico1337
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: rodensteiner Don't know about the rest you folks, but every time I see Cat post, I want to take a 10-lb. sledgehammer and smash my monitor to bits.
this why cat is one of the few interesting posters here, cause she actually trolls people like you. nd is funny doing it
Originally by: Lana Torrin
I'm getting pretty ****ed off with the supposedly hard core PvPers complaining about every little thing that gets changed. seriously, more tears than carebears.
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Synex Why are the pirates are moaning about carebears all the time?
Because if everyone was like "Hey what up, Gentleman i just met? Eanna hang out?" "Sure thing, bud. Respect." no one would ever fight anyone over anything.
Also pretty much explains the 0.0 situation.
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Garbad theWeak
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Synex Why are the pirates are moaning about carebears all the time?
Boredom. They want to gank, but can't find enough targets to keep themselves busy. For some strange reason, there are a lot more people who want to pop freighters and collect free loot than freighter pilots who want to be popped. All the anticarebear rage is just frustrated gankers who are ****ed that no one wants to throw isk at them.
Lowsec "pirates" are nothing more or less than people who want to gank without the other guy having a chance. Those who want a real fight, ie, pvping for a reason against other people who can fight back are contesting sovereignty somewhere. The jackasses who are gatecamping, can flipping, and scanning people down in missions are fundamentally griefers, not pvpers.
Originally by: Synex Is it really that bad to avoid fighting and just want a quiet life?
Absolutely not. I play for the challenge, but some people enjoy the social interaction, making money, or just the game atmosphere (or lack thereof!). Nothing wrong with that at all. This is a game -- play it to enjoy it, not to make some 28 year old sociopath less angry.
Originally by: Synex Is low-sec as bad as everyone makes out, and how dangerous is it to live there?
Its more dangerous, but if you play smart you can drastically limit your losses. And there is more money to be made out there, and many people like the thrill of taking a chance.
Originally by: Synex Will all high sec carebears shrivel and die if they enter low-sec?
Yes, especially at first. Then you will learn, adapt, and overcome just like everyone else. Its not like playing in lowsec is so ultradifficult only the elite few can deal with it -- its more like only a fraction of gamers care to deal with the ethos and risks of unchecked pvp. But many do, and I would wager that anyone could if they tried.
For me the best decision I ever made was to take a chance and leave highsec. Otherwise I would have gotten bored and quit eve long ago. YMMV.
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SomeHardLovin
Critical-Mass
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:09:00 -
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"This is a game -- play it to enjoy it, not to make some 28 year old sociopath less angry."
Love that quote ;) ---
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Khun SP
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:17:00 -
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Lowsec is useless. Lowsec is only useful for gankers seeking unaware carebears and newbies.
CCP should add some value to lowsec. I mean, things to do on there.
Also, we need some kind of consensual PVP, it will never be 100% consensual, but at least more than its now. Actually there's not thrill at the moment, cause the battle is decided from the beginning. 2x chars looking for a 0.0 corp!! |
AtheistOfDoom
Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Garbad theWeak
Lowsec "pirates" are nothing more or less than people who want to gank without the other guy having a chance. Those who want a real fight, ie, pvping for a reason against other people who can fight back are contesting sovereignty somewhere. The jackasses who are gatecamping, can flipping, and scanning people down in missions are fundamentally griefers, not pvpers.
Yes, because 500 vs 500 fights show off true skill! It's the solo players and small gangs that are whats good about low sec. Pew Pew Lazorz!!! |
Garbad theWeak
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Garbad theWeak on 28/08/2009 20:24:16
Originally by: Khun SP Lowsec is useless. Lowsec is only useful for gankers seeking unaware carebears and newbies.
CCP should add some value to lowsec. I mean, things to do on there.
Also, we need some kind of consensual PVP, it will never be 100% consensual, but at least more than its now. Actually there's not thrill at the moment, cause the battle is decided from the beginning.
I tell ya what would be awesome -- a prearranged battles type deal. It could be an interface like the rome total war pvp screen. You have say 1 billion isk (or w/e both sides agree on) to pick whatever ships/gear you want. If you want 5 drakes, cool. If you want 100 caracals, cool. Both sides pick their ships, get alliance mates to fly them and go at it. Winner gets the pot.
Originally by: AtheistOfDoom
Originally by: Garbad theWeak
Lowsec "pirates" are nothing more or less than people who want to gank without the other guy having a chance. Those who want a real fight, ie, pvping for a reason against other people who can fight back are contesting sovereignty somewhere. The jackasses who are gatecamping, can flipping, and scanning people down in missions are fundamentally griefers, not pvpers.
Yes, because 500 vs 500 fights show off true skill! It's the solo players and small gangs that are whats good about low sec.
Yeah, it is. Winning a 500 vs 500 beats the hell out of ganking a mission running drake with 6 t2 cruisers. And I also submit that winning a 500 vs 500 takes a lot more tactics and prep than winning a 10 vs 10.
But I want to say, the guys who win 1v1 or small gang fights AGAINST OTHER PVPERS have my respect. The guys ganking what they can and running from anything even close to a fair fight don't. I respect those who take a chance and win. Pirates generally don't fit that category -- the only challenge is if a carebear falls into their trap.
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Mr Siman
Spawn More Overlords
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:27:00 -
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Sure, if you're smart and not AFK, it's pretty easy to stay alive in lowsec. However, there's just no reason to be there. There's more money to be made in highsec. The only exception is moon-mining.
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Synex
Gallente Oursulaert Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Synex on 28/08/2009 21:02:52 Entry #2
So my story starts in Oursulaert, the home of my corp. I dock up and try to decide on a ship I want to lose. I decide a good choice would be an Enyo, a good mix of firepower, without being too expensive to lose without worrying about it. I fit some guns, AB, Warp Disrupter (don't want my targets to get away!) and a light tank that should make me last a bit longer.
I head off to Old Man Star, an old stomping ground of mine where I've lost ships in past. I get there and find 3 people camping the gates. I uncloak and warp straight to a planet.
Wait... what am I thinking! I'm LOOKING for trouble here. After years of trying NOT to lose ships, the thought of losing one is hard to come to terms with. I was surprised how difficult it was to get past that mind-set.
So I warp back to the gate, ready to get locked and be attacked. I get to the gate, and there is a Force Recon ship, a Griffin and a Condor. Ok, so I'm thinking, I'm in an assault frigate, so i've got a chance to take out maybe the two frigates before i go down... maybe even dent the Force Recon, just need them to fire the first shot....
Force Recon locks me... and does nothing. So I end up orbiting it waiting for something to happen. Instead, they ignore me, and take down a shuttle that's just warped into the gate.
After about 5 mins, two dead shuttles, a hauler and a T1 cruiser getting blown to pieces by the gate camp, i get bored and head to the station, where i see someone with a bounty on their head has undocked in a Moros.
Well, there is no chance of me taking down a Dread, so i dock and wait to see what happens. I undock, get targeted straight away and attacked with drones from the pirate who has been waiting for me. I warp off to a planet, halfway into my armor, and repair. The pirate doesn't bother to follow me.
So this isn't working out how I expected, but i didn't know what to expect really. 1 hour into my trip to low-sec and i've been largely ignored, or attempted to be ganked by someone in a vastly more powerful ship.
So I decide to head off to somewhere where i KNOW there'll be pirates, to get some PVP action. Yes, PVP action... what all those non-carebears keep telling us that we are missing out on...
Watch this space for the next instalment.
Synex Oursulaert Industries
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The Crushah
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:26:00 -
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Me shoot stuff. Stuff go pop. Me happy.
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