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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.08.30 01:17:00 -
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Until I realized that I was trying to fit a sniper Deimos.
With all skills V:
75km optimal 325 dps 24.8k EHP
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[Deimos, Deimos Snipe] Damage Control II Co-Processor II Reactor Control Unit I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Alumel-Wired I Sensor Augmentation
250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M Drone Link Augmentor I
Ancillary Current Router I Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Warden II x2
Then I compared to a Zealot...
121k optimal 290 DPS 18k EHP
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[Zealot, Snipah] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Energy Locus Coordinator I Energy Locus Coordinator I [/quoe] However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs. |
Atreus Tac
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.30 01:36:00 -
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Yes you are trying to fit a SR hac into a LR role. It wont be as good as LR hac in its prefered role.
But also it can help changing your fit
[Deimos, SNIPZ] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Reactor Control Unit II
Large Shield Extender II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M [empty high slot] 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M
Hybrid Locus Coordinator I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x5
with the sensor booster cahnge script as you will but with squad bonuses you get a 90km range without a booster.
Sentries are for Pros who do not like moving, which then makes it pointless to fly a hac and then just get an ishtar if you do like being an idiot.
[Ishtar, SENTRY] Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II
Salvager I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Salvager I
Sentry Damage Augmentor I Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Warden II x5 Bouncer II x5 100km range ish with 404dps. __________________________________________________________
[16:54:07] Kopier Tante > if you got an mwd then your completly ****ed [16:54:34] Kopier Tante > you got no defence, no speed, nothing. |
Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.08.30 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Atreus Tac
Warden II x5 Bouncer II x5 100km range ish with 404dps.
/emote gasps for breath
BOOST THE ZEALOT!!!111one
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techzer0
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.30 02:11:00 -
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more dps than an eagle or muninn tbh... ------------
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
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Ecky X
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Posted - 2009.08.30 03:30:00 -
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This is a better fit:
Drop the drone link and swap the RCU and the co-processor for tracking enhancers. Change MWD to T1 or named. Fits with a 3% grid. It's a more practical sniper then. Stats:
235dps @ 91+23, 24.8k EHP.
It's actually competitive with a Muninn, which has a bit more range but with less damage and EHP, or a bit more EHP with less damage and similar range.
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.08.30 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ecky X This is a better fit:
Drop the drone link and swap the RCU and the co-processor for tracking enhancers. Change MWD to T1 or named. Fits with a 3% grid. It's a more practical sniper then. Stats:
235dps @ 91+23, 24.8k EHP.
It's actually competitive with a Muninn, which has a bit more range but with less damage and EHP, or a bit more EHP with less damage and similar range.
Fits with 3% grid if you train Hybrid Rigging to V. However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs. |
Ecky X
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Posted - 2009.08.30 03:34:00 -
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Drop the shield extender to named.
What, you don't have your racial weapon rigging to V?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.30 06:41:00 -
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Comparing a ship with a MWD to one without...
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.30 08:18:00 -
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voices say that OP is trollin', they hatin'... ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Grut
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.30 09:08:00 -
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Edited by: Grut on 30/08/2009 09:08:40
Originally by: Atreus Tac Yes you are trying to fit a SR hac into a LR role. It wont be as good as LR hac in its prefered role.
Not true really.
The zealot can do long/short range just fine.. the muninn would do ok if projectiles didn't suck.
The deimos is held back by its poor stats, rc2 required to fit a full rack of rails? Lolz
Equally the utility high which should be a mid doesn't help.
Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know...
Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought |
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Dreez
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2009.08.30 11:11:00 -
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That CCP still havent sorted out the Diemos after several years which makes it STILL require fitting-mods such as CPU or PG upgrades to be able to fit it properly is nothing but an utter failure on behalf of CCP.
You cannot even get a proper blaster-setup on the damn thing.
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TomB, Tux & Oveur comming home from the latest meeting for denying blastership boosts.
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.08.30 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Atreus Tac Sentries are for Pros who do not like moving, which then makes it pointless to fly a hac and then just get an ishtar if you do like being an idiot.
[Ishtar, SENTRY] Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II
Salvager I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Salvager I
Sentry Damage Augmentor I Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Warden II x5 Bouncer II x5 100km range ish with 404dps.
[Ishtar, sniper] Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II N-Type Explosive Hardener I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Cap Recharger II
Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Bouncer II x5 Warrior II x10 Valkyrie II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5
Put whatever in the highs. Twice the EHP but loses the damage from the rigs and, obviously, the agility/speed.
Bottom line: just snipe with an Ishtar if you only have access to Gal HACs.
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SuiJuris
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.08.30 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
That CCP still havent sorted out the Omen after several years which makes it STILL require fitting-mods such as CPU or PG upgrades to be able to fit it properly is nothing but an utter failure on behalf of CCP.
You cannot even get a proper Lazor-setup on the damn thing.
Sorry couldn't resist --- Ceptor Pilots HULL tank |
Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.30 18:35:00 -
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I heard different ships behave differently.
Confirm/Deny?
Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
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AtheistOfDoom
Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.08.30 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane I heard different ships behave differently.
Confirm/Deny?
c Pew Pew Lazorz!!! |
CAREBEARSTAR3
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Posted - 2009.08.30 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: CAREBEARSTAR3 on 30/08/2009 23:03:45 Not sure what kind of point you're trying to make with this thread. This is exactly what the zealot was designed to do, zealot was meant to snipe, deimos was meant to be a blaster boat. I will agree the deimos is a little weak, but it was never supposed to be a great sniper. Also, putting sentries on a deimos is a huge mistake, you will most likely lose them in your first engagement and be helpless against tacklers. Sentry ishtar with SD rigs looks awesome on paper- loads of dps, good range, but they are kinda impractical for sniper hac gangs. Really a matter of preference, but if you want a better dps/tank ship and don't mind losing a few sets of sentries every night, go for the ishtar.
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Grut
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.31 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: CAREBEARSTAR3 Edited by: CAREBEARSTAR3 on 30/08/2009 23:03:45 Not sure what kind of point you're trying to make with this thread. This is exactly what the zealot was designed to do, zealot was meant to snipe, deimos was meant to be a blaster boat. I will agree the deimos is a little weak, but it was never supposed to be a great sniper. Also, putting sentries on a deimos is a huge mistake, you will most likely lose them in your first engagement and be helpless against tacklers. Sentry ishtar with SD rigs looks awesome on paper- loads of dps, good range, but they are kinda impractical for sniper hac gangs. Really a matter of preference, but if you want a better dps/tank ship and don't mind losing a few sets of sentries every night, go for the ishtar.
Untrue .. the zealot is a straight laser boat, it can do close / far pretty evenly. By virtue of it having adaquate grid/cpu & no dead slots it outclasses the diemos and the muninn at z snipe.. basically because it doesn't suck.
The eagle is the only true sniper HAC ... the zealot outclasses it for z snipe again because eagles suck.
Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know...
Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought |
Jin Entres
Malevolent Intervention
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Posted - 2009.08.31 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane I heard different ships behave differently.
I heard different is a euphemism for inferior.
My mommy tells me I'm not bad, I'm just different. ----------------------
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.08.31 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
That CCP still havent sorted out the Nighthawk after several years which makes it STILL require fitting-mods such as CPU or PG upgrades to be able to fit it properly is nothing but an utter failure on behalf of CCP.
You cannot even get a proper gang mod fit on the damn thing.
Damn right.
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Merbusent
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Posted - 2009.08.31 11:24:00 -
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Bhold the bringer of light!
KABOOM!3!
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Sybilla Prior
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Posted - 2009.08.31 11:30:00 -
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If the Ishtar's drone approach puts out so much more dps than the Deimos sniper approach, then why not just use a Dominix instead, I mean, those are much easier to insure, and can take more of a beating, right? The dps should be about the same as that of an ishtar, as they use the same drone approach. Or am I completely wrong here?
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.08.31 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sybilla Prior If the Ishtar's drone approach puts out so much more dps than the Deimos sniper approach, then why not just use a Dominix instead, I mean, those are much easier to insure, and can take more of a beating, right? The dps should be about the same as that of an ishtar, as they use the same drone approach. Or am I completely wrong here?
Nah you're completely right, a domi won't have any trouble keeping up with a HAC gang, nor its awesome lock time cause any issue.
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CAREBEARSTAR3
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Posted - 2009.09.01 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: CAREBEARSTAR3 on 01/09/2009 06:15:55
Originally by: Grut
Originally by: CAREBEARSTAR3 Edited by: CAREBEARSTAR3 on 30/08/2009 23:03:45 Not sure what kind of point you're trying to make with this thread. This is exactly what the zealot was designed to do, zealot was meant to snipe, deimos was meant to be a blaster boat. I will agree the deimos is a little weak, but it was never supposed to be a great sniper. Also, putting sentries on a deimos is a huge mistake, you will most likely lose them in your first engagement and be helpless against tacklers. Sentry ishtar with SD rigs looks awesome on paper- loads of dps, good range, but they are kinda impractical for sniper hac gangs. Really a matter of preference, but if you want a better dps/tank ship and don't mind losing a few sets of sentries every night, go for the ishtar.
Untrue .. the zealot is a straight laser boat, it can do close / far pretty evenly. By virtue of it having adaquate grid/cpu & no dead slots it outclasses the diemos and the muninn at z snipe.. basically because it doesn't suck.
The eagle is the only true sniper HAC ... the zealot outclasses it for z snipe again because eagles suck.
You just confirmed my point.. Ok, I realize zealot isn't just a sniper hac and does close to mid range very well too. I was just saying that the deimos is obviously never going to be a better sniper hac because thats not it's role as evidenced by it's bonuses.
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