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karma Reigns
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Posted - 2009.08.31 13:48:00 -
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Hello all,
I have noticed that since our administrators have been cracking down on program driven miners and isk buying that the isk price for GTC's has gone down considerably. I am not saying that our admin's are behind it, but something really needs to be done. The recent events have lowered my dollar amount in relationship to isk by at least 20%. Not only is that unfair its aggravating. I feel like the price for GTC cards should be regulated by eve. Our Real Life dollars should not be eve economy driven. The eve economy can be manipulated in several ways to reduce the dollar/isk percentage.
For example.. (remember in no way am I accusing anyone of anything) If 3rd party GTC retailers are selling GTC's with alts they can lower the price and make the real players spend more money to play a game that is already pretty expensive. Especially in this Real life declining economy. Why would someone sell a 60 Day GTC which cost 34.99 for 530 mill? When the norm since I have started the game has been minimum 700 mill. Within the last 30 days I have seen this market go in the toilet. Some say Plexing is bad, selling GTC's is bad... I say that it is almost a neccessity for new players to at least buy isk once or twice just to really get in the game. Players who buy and sell GTC's are usually ones that have been here for at least a month. That being said it seems to me under normal circumstances they would not of there own accord lower the selling price for Real money spent. This is going to create dissatisfaction throughout the game for new players. The only ones who can take advantage of this are the older or more experienced players who have the ability to make substantial isk. (which could possibly increase characters sold for RL money) While the goal of CCP is to keep old players happy, the new players are a BIG portion of profit I'm sure.
Def. of fraud=Any act of deception carried out for the purpose of unfair, undeserved and/or unlawful gain
Knowing that isk makes the eve world go around.. what if some entity is driving the price of isk down? With Real Life dollars being harder to come by why would the price go down? answer.. it wouldnt.. and it doesnt take a genius to see that.
Please research a better way to sell isk. I suggest a standard price. between 700-850 mill for GTC cards. Remove the free market aspect of these sales!!
Think about this... What would stop A GTC retailer from calculating how much income is earned from selling GTC cards normally, Frequentcy of purchases, by what members, etc etc and make an economically feasible decision to hire people to play and sell cards at a reduced isk price for an overall gain that could pay the wages of its employees with a greater profit margin in the end.
The fact that this is a possibility is so overwhelming that this probably should have been addressed before this post...
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.31 13:49:00 -
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Oh dear this will not end well.
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karma Reigns
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Posted - 2009.08.31 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana Oh dear this will not end well.
why do you say that?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.31 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns
Originally by: Mashie Saldana Oh dear this will not end well.
why do you say that?
Because it will not end well. Isn't that much obvious? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Ruddy Rax
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Posted - 2009.08.31 13:55:00 -
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so let me get this right so because for so long you've been getting a lot of bang for you buck as such , now that the market has collapsed your wanting ccp to step in to safeguard your money stream in eve?
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Mudad
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.31 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns
Originally by: Mashie Saldana Oh dear this will not end well.
why do you say that?
Because Karma Reigns, perhaps/
----------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Whisper
Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Gentileman
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Posted - 2009.08.31 13:55:00 -
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I get it, you;re heavily invested in GTC or are a RL rich bastard wanting that to have an effect in game...
You're out of luck bro - DOWN is the way PLEX will go :P.
Sucks to be a legalised RMTer now doesn't it?
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karma Reigns
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Posted - 2009.08.31 13:57:00 -
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hell no.. I am broke!! my financial position is not the topic of the discussion though is it?
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karma Reigns
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Posted - 2009.08.31 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mudad
Originally by: karma Reigns
Originally by: Mashie Saldana Oh dear this will not end well.
why do you say that?
Because Karma Reigns, perhaps/
hey man somebody had to say it!!!
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karma Reigns
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ruddy Rax so let me get this right so because for so long you've been getting a lot of bang for you buck as such , now that the market has collapsed your wanting ccp to step in to safeguard your money stream in eve?
why would the market collapse with real money involved in a reccession you tard
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:02:00 -
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C-C-C-Combo breaker!!
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Ruddy Rax
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns hell no.. I am broke!! my financial position is not the topic of the discussion though is it?
then whats the issue eves a market driven game you know this. you know this before you invite in gtcs and you know this when your trying to sell them. so if the supply is greater then the demand which it is right now the price drops either stop buying gtc or save them till the price is right. but stop whining about the price. find some other way to make money
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa C-C-C-Combo breaker!!
Not quite as dramatic as you hoped eh? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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karma Reigns
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ruddy Rax
Originally by: karma Reigns hell no.. I am broke!! my financial position is not the topic of the discussion though is it?
then whats the issue eves a market driven game you know this. you know this before you invite in gtcs and you know this when your trying to sell them. so if the supply is greater then the demand which it is right now the price drops either stop buying gtc or save them till the price is right. but stop whining about the price. find some other way to make money
ok so indirectly what you're saying is that game playing time should be regulated by eve economy? thats what GTC stands for. Game Time Card.. In that case we should pay for our membership like that.. How would you like to pay for your normal subscription and only get 26 days? Well its based on the eve economy... but its your real money!! Your REAL MONEY should not be based on a fictional game economy!!!! Especially one that can be manipulated
and yeah I'm sure the market is flooding with people Buying GTC's while the world is in a reccession... yeah... ummm... did you even read what you posted? You had a small point but... no dice By the way.... How did you base your opinion? Can you show me the surpluss of purchased EVE GTC cards? I have my proof.. lol go check the Time Card Bizaar
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karma Reigns
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa C-C-C-Combo breaker!!
I can keep'em coming all day
lol
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Miss Poast
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:20:00 -
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It's acutally pretty funny watching some people trying to manipulate the GTC prices here on the forum.
Last weekend someone (I won't call out names) first started a thread "WTB GTC 800 mill, asap" just to start another thread 5 mins later with the same character (how dumb is that?!?) "WTS 60day GTC" 730 mill"... LoL!
I reported him and 5 mins later his posts were gone :P
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns
The fact that this is a possibility is so overwhelming that this probably should have been addressed before this post...
I guess this was the tl;dr?
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Orthaen
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:23:00 -
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5/10 for effort, but capitalizing Real Life Dollars every time sort of gives you away...maybe you didnt know, there is no such thing as a Fake Life Dollar, just dollars. Also, no, you're dumb. You're game time is regulated by CCP. It costs 15 USD every single month, never more, never less. Ever. In the history of the god damned universe. That's what, a few billion or trillion years? You're right, the fluctuation of price in subscription costs is mind blowing.
"If 3rd party GTC retailers are selling GTC's with alts they can lower the price and make the real players spend more money to play" actually, lowering the price of a GTC would let real players (again, as opposed to fake players?) spend less money to play. See, if one GTC costs LESS then the arbitrary number you think it should, that means it costs LESS to play for 60 days. Maybe I'm missing something.
Oh yeah, and here; you know the EVE economy is player driven, you said so yourself. That means your Real Life Dollars/ISK ratio will also be player driven. (See, if one half of a ratio, ISK, can be affected by players, that means the relationship between ISK and the other half of that ratio can be affected by players. There is no way to avoid this. EVE is a fake universe with a free market, a system you agree to participate in when you log on. Sounds fairly fair to me, but maybe I'm crazy)
Also, I'm bored.
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Mr Reason
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Orthaen 5/10 for effort, but capitalizing Real Life Dollars every time sort of gives you away...maybe you didnt know, there is no such thing as a Fake Life Dollar, just dollars. Also, no, you're dumb. You're game time is regulated by CCP. It costs 15 USD every single month, never more, never less. Ever. In the history of the god damned universe. That's what, a few billion or trillion years? You're right, the fluctuation of price in subscription costs is mind blowing.
"If 3rd party GTC retailers are selling GTC's with alts they can lower the price and make the real players spend more money to play" actually, lowering the price of a GTC would let real players (again, as opposed to fake players?) spend less money to play. See, if one GTC costs LESS then the arbitrary number you think it should, that means it costs LESS to play for 60 days. Maybe I'm missing something.
Oh yeah, and here; you know the EVE economy is player driven, you said so yourself. That means your Real Life Dollars/ISK ratio will also be player driven. (See, if one half of a ratio, ISK, can be affected by players, that means the relationship between ISK and the other half of that ratio can be affected by players. There is no way to avoid this. EVE is a fake universe with a free market, a system you agree to participate in when you log on. Sounds fairly fair to me, but maybe I'm crazy)
Also, I'm bored.
Pretty much what he said.
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Orthaen
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns
Originally by: Ruddy Rax
Originally by: karma Reigns hell no.. I am broke!! my financial position is not the topic of the discussion though is it?
then whats the issue eves a market driven game you know this. you know this before you invite in gtcs and you know this when your trying to sell them. so if the supply is greater then the demand which it is right now the price drops either stop buying gtc or save them till the price is right. but stop whining about the price. find some other way to make money
ok so indirectly what you're saying is that game playing time should be regulated by eve economy? thats what GTC stands for. Game Time Card.. In that case we should pay for our membership like that.. How would you like to pay for your normal subscription and only get 26 days? Well its based on the eve economy... but its your real money!! Your REAL MONEY should not be based on a fictional game economy!!!! Especially one that can be manipulated
and yeah I'm sure the market is flooding with people Buying GTC's while the world is in a reccession... yeah... ummm... did you even read what you posted? You had a small point but... no dice By the way.... How did you base your opinion? Can you show me the surpluss of purchased EVE GTC cards? I have my proof.. lol go check the Time Card Bizaar
Wait, 6/10 for this pro move ^
Ignoring one half of an argument to pretend to debunk the other half is an excellent strategy, good job.
He said the supply is larger then the demand, you responded with NU-UH SUPPLY HASN'T GONE UP BECAUSE EVERYONE IS POOR! People definitely don't look to escape to a video game when real life sucks, good call. If you think really really hard, you will find that perhaps this indicates that demand has gone down, what with "our admins" banning hundreds/thousands of GTC buying macro miners/missioners/whatever-ers
/salute
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:31:00 -
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OP you realise that 400M for a PLEX was a short-term speculative spike?
The long term price for a PLEX is ~300M
If CCP try and fix the price, then all that will happen is that we'll see a black market. Sadly, you cannot expect CCP to force people to pay the price you want them too. PLEX consumers could with equal justice ask CCP to fix the price at 130M, which is what a 30day GTC used to cost back in the day.
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Ruddy Rax
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns
ok so indirectly what you're saying is that game playing time should be regulated by eve economy? thats what GTC stands for. Game Time Card.. In that case we should pay for our membership like that.. How would you like to pay for your normal subscription and only get 26 days? Well its based on the eve economy... but its your real money!! Your REAL MONEY should not be based on a fictional game economy!!!! Especially one that can be manipulated
and yeah I'm sure the market is flooding with people Buying GTC's while the world is in a reccession... yeah... ummm... did you even read what you posted? You had a small point but... no dice By the way.... How did you base your opinion? Can you show me the surpluss of purchased EVE GTC cards? I have my proof.. lol go check the Time Card Bizaar
its the plex's that are affecting the price of gtc's fact is why spend 700m isk on a 60 day game card when you get spend 500 million and get 2 30 day plex's one affects the other. if you chose to sell your gtc for in game cash then your intering the eve market of which the market dictates the price for your item.
you've been living in a sellers market for a long times . now its a buyers market is how it works you dont like it dont sell. you can't except CCP to come bail you out just because people dont want to buy your gtc at 700 million.
and your point about real money being affected by a fictional game economy is ******ed to the point of being funny. when you turn you real money into a GTC and then sell it in the fictional game economy it is always going to be affected by it. you dont expect to get the same exchange rates from the dollar to the euro every time you go abroad thus you can't expect to get the same exchange rate from the dollar to the isk every time you exchange a gtc.
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tiviirulez
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns With Real Life dollars being harder to come by why would the price go down?
Harder to come by!? The whole world is stuffed with this worthless paper currency. Rat more or lose less ships, you want pvp you get it.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:36:00 -
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It's not that complicated.
- ISK sellers gained ISK by using macros on multiple accounts to farm ore/ice/missions etc.
- ISK sellers funded these accounts by buying GTCs/PLEXes.
- CCP banned a not inconsiderable amount of ISK seller accounts.
- Demand for GTCs/PLEXes has gone down.
- Supply of GTCs/PLEXes has not gone down (in fact, it's gone up, if I read the recent Dev blog right).
- Economics has had the usual effect on prices.
Regulation of GTC prices will not have the effect you desire.
Quote: I say that it is almost a neccessity for new players to at least buy isk once or twice just to really get in the game.
I say you're talking *******s. It's much easier now to make ISK than when I started playing. Nobody needs to buy ISK.
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Caldari Citizen656231
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:39:00 -
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itt: Unholy Rage
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karma Reigns
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Orthaen 5/10 for effort, but capitalizing Real Life Dollars every time sort of gives you away...maybe you didnt know, there is no such thing as a Fake Life Dollar, just dollars. argumentative.... no point
Also, no, you're dumb. You're game time is regulated by CCP. It costs 15 USD every single month, never more, never less. Ever. ..common knowledge
In the history of the god damned universe. That's what, a few billion or trillion years? nonsense...
You're right, the fluctuation of price in subscription costs is mind blowing. your getting warm...
"If 3rd party GTC retailers are selling GTC's with alts they can lower the price and make the real players spend more money to play" actually, lowering the price of a GTC would let real players (again, as opposed to fake players?) spend less money to play ...incorrect... only experienced isk making players pay less.. new players pay the same to actually play but more to enjoy items in game...
See, if one GTC costs LESS then the arbitrary number you think it should, that means it costs LESS to play for 60 days. Maybe I'm missing something.
Correct you are missing the point
Oh yeah, and here; you know the EVE economy is player driven, you said so yourself. That means your Real Life Dollars/ISK ratio will also be player driven.
No it doesnt... lol
(See, if one half of a ratio, ISK, can be affected by players, that means the relationship between ISK and the other half of that ratio can be affected by players. There is no way to avoid this. EVE is a fake universe with a free market, a system you agree to participate in when you log on. Sounds fairly fair to me, but maybe I'm crazy)
that whole last statement was a failed attempt to sound intelligent
Also, I'm bored.
Wow you guys are players.. you should appreciate this effort. I am not a regular GTC card purchaser.. I have actually only done it once. and I converted to plex and used it on my characters..
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Orthaen
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:50:00 -
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Those replies were absolute rubbish, you didn't even try to disagree with me with anything other then a "NO WAI UR RONG". Come on Karma, you were on a decent role, keep it coming.
Oh yeah, go look up "ratio"
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karma Reigns
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:50:00 -
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WOW... sheep
you guys are all sheep... its sad. My theory is sound. There is no disputing it. And there is a need to buy GTC's.. you 03 players didnt have 1996 players to deal with.. the way the 09 players have 03 players to deal with. and unless someone can prove that there is a decreased demand for playing time.. its all nonsense
Can I have proof.. not opinion please
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Ruddy Rax
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:52:00 -
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i'd forgotten what it was like to have a discussion with somebody who sticks there fingers in the ears and just shouts "LA LA LA YOUR WRONG AND I'M RIGHT" keep the replys coming karma best laugh i've had all month
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Ruddy Rax
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns WOW... sheep
you guys are all sheep... its sad. My theory is sound. There is no disputing it. And there is a need to buy GTC's.. you 03 players didnt have 1996 players to deal with.. the way the 09 players have 03 players to deal with. and unless someone can prove that there is a decreased demand for playing time.. its all nonsense
Can I have proof.. not opinion please
proofs in the market, price is going down because theres more people selling then buying. if it was the other way round price would go up its how a free market works.
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