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Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:02:00 -
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Mittani justifies his actions by trying to make the game better, saving it from the idiotic, unwashed masses who never cared to learn how to play. (see Presumption of Safety)
Conceptually, I agree. Assuming Hulkageddon ends one day, then the industrials that remain will be smarter, tougher, and more able to suvive in this harsh universe called New Eden.
But what if it doesn't end? What if it expands? Hulkageddon becomes Missiongeddon. Missiongeddon becomes Incursiongeddon. Incursiongeddon becomes Marketgeddon. What happens? Are Mittani and his Goons (and their allies) willing to break EvE for no other reason than because they can?
Before Mittani's ban, I would have said no. As much as many of us hate EvE and the people in it, we love it too. There's no other game like it out there. Nothing comes close. And as much as Goons like to grief, EvE online is the best place to be a Goon. It's in their best interest to keep EvE alive so they can be who they are free of virtually any restrictions.
Now, however, I honestly don't know. Mittani's ban could be the first step, the catalyst to the Mittani's giant 'F-You' to CCP. The Ulitimate Grief.
Let's assume for a moment that Mitanni succeeds. That in a year or two from now, EvE no longer exists because Mittani drove out enough people that EvE could not sustain itself. CCP is dead. Dust is...well dust.
As I said above, there is no other game like Eve. Sure, Mittani would be able to walk around for the rest of his life saying, "Who killed Eve Online? This guy!" But what then? Who would he grief? Sure there are other games, but none like EvE.
Its like all those villans who aspire to destroy the world. What if one of them actually succeded? "Great work boss! You destroyed the world! Now what?"
"Ummm..."
It's kind of like a dog chasing a car. What would Mittani do if he actually destroyed EvE? There's no other EvE to grief in. Would Goons really be happy trying to be griefers in WoW or SWTOR?
So what does CCP do? Obviously, for their survival, CCP would be forced to step in at some point and make changes. What those changes would be, I have no idea. Only that they would be forced to respond. They would never admit to interfering with the sandbox, but please, we're not stupid. We'd know what they're up to. The real question is would EvE survive the changes? In their attempt to save EvE, would CCP destroy it?
And then there's the players themselves. It's interesting that many Null Secers want to play in a universe of consequence, yet have seemingly removed any consequence fromt their own existence. Pandemic Legion and Goonswarm get into a huge fleet fight in 0.0 space. So what? Who cares? With a stable Null Sec, it doesn't mean anything. It's no difference than going into a Warzone in SWTOR, beating each other senseless and then going your seperate ways after. Sell off some Technium to replace your ship losses and the hamster wheel starts all over again. OTEC has in effect created High Sec in Null Sec.
How long will the players sit around, content to soak up their Technium, participate in meaningless 'good fights,' and crushing anyone who might try to break up OTEC and/or the CFC? Will this all fall apart because someone gets bored? Or greedy? Or maybe because they just don't like what's going on?
Ultimately, I agree with what Mittani and his Goons are doing. To a point.
How this all plays out, however, really depends on his motivations. If he truely believes in EvE as a concept, he'll step back after the lesson is learned and EvE will continue on, albeit changed due to his actions, and probably for the better.
If he is just lashing out because he just doesn't ******* care anymore, then he won't let up until we're all forced to play Hello Kitty Island Online Adventures. If this is the case, then I find it ironic that while Mittani espouses to want a game of freedom and consequence, he would be unable to accept the consequences of his own actions. He would destroy the only game in existence that gives people freedom. Even the freedom to be stupid.
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Tysinger
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:05:00 -
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OMG STFU |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:06:00 -
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Not empty quoting.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:07:00 -
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And your point is what? When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
463
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:15:00 -
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It's like 5 or 10 people have *JUST NOW* heard that name.....
dam
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:19:00 -
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slippery slope fallacy
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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:30:00 -
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You assume that these "geddons" do not already occur using different names.
The goons do not need to sponsor any of these actions for them to already exist.
Your paranoia is taking you over and misplaced.
I believe it's in VFK waiting for you to pick it up. |
Alara IonStorm
2350
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:35:00 -
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If you combine all the long diatribes written about The Mittani by original posters on this forum into a book it would be longer then War & Peace and Moby Dick combined.
Which makes the term original poster pretty ironic. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:44:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:But what if it doesn't end? What if it expands? Hulkageddon becomes Missiongeddon. Missiongeddon becomes Incursiongeddon. Incursiongeddon becomes Marketgeddon. What happens? Are Mittani and his Goons (and their allies) willing to break EvE for no other reason than because they can? As stated upthread, this is the slippery slope fallacy.
The important thing right now is that we work together to get rid of the highsec miners. Let's not get distracted with other things. Once the highsec miners are gone, we can worry about what comes next. |
Pax Deltari
Chrome Legion
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:45:00 -
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dafuq did I just read? |
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Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:47:00 -
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Here no ultimate grief at all, noone feel respect to goonswarm even afk miners because they afk...
Mittani fail , it was only big fail come back with tears on twiter or team speak and hour long speech about his fail, somthing like rage bla bla bla they hurt my feelings im mad, rage bla bla bla rage, i want revnage on miners i want jita burn i want hulka gedon i cry every night i bring terror to them, please Goons im so sad plese help me to kill miners im still your boss do it now! Rage... |
Alara IonStorm
2350
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:48:00 -
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Pax Deltari wrote:dafuq did I just read? I don't know but I will praise your name to the heavens if you find a way for me to unread it.
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Akiyo XI
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:50:00 -
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the day when people stop doom-saying about EVE is the day life on earth ends
and yet somehow, the EVE universe will still live on "the wise speak only of what they know" |
Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:55:00 -
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Even your analogies are moronic. |
Akiyo XI
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.06.03 02:10:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Its like all those villans who aspire to destroy the world. What if one of them actually succeded? "Great work boss! You destroyed the world! Now what?"
"Ummm..."
mittani the mastermind? "the wise speak only of what they know" |
Boooop
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.03 02:11:00 -
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It's like going to an orchard in Florida and beating to death a bunch of tenant farmers while screaming racial obscenities because they could make a lot more mowing lawns. |
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.03 02:27:00 -
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Didn't bother to read it all, because why would you think CCP would let anyone ruin the game, ever? Subs drop, CCP will make adjustments. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.03 02:35:00 -
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Boooop wrote:It's like going to an orchard in Florida and beating to death a bunch of tenant farmers while screaming racial obscenities because they could make a lot more mowing lawns. The Mittani is Chavez in this analogy, btw. |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
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Posted - 2012.06.03 02:51:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:But what if it doesn't end? What if it expands? Hulkageddon becomes Missiongeddon. Missiongeddon becomes Incursiongeddon. Incursiongeddon becomes Marketgeddon. What happens? Are Mittani and his Goons (and their allies) willing to break EvE for no other reason than because they can? As stated upthread, this is the slippery slope fallacy. The important thing right now is that we work together to get rid of the highsec miners. Let's not get distracted with other things. Once the highsec miners are gone, we can worry about what comes next.
The problem James is that high sec miners seem to keep coming back all the time....everywhere i fly in high sec, I get multiple mining ships on d-scan. The fight is pointless. It is surely not working. A waste of time. High sec miners are currently winning and lauging at ALL the gankers. Laughing at you. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1867
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Posted - 2012.06.03 03:02:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:High sec miners are currently winning and lauging at ALL the gankers. Laughing at you. I haven't gotten that impression from all their doom-and-gloom threads the last few days! |
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Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
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Posted - 2012.06.03 03:11:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:High sec miners are currently winning and lauging at ALL the gankers. Laughing at you. I haven't gotten that impression from all their doom-and-gloom threads the last few days!
As you should know, appearances can be deceaving. I would not be surprised that more high sec miners continue to operate then ever before. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1867
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Posted - 2012.06.03 03:14:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:James 315 wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:High sec miners are currently winning and lauging at ALL the gankers. Laughing at you. I haven't gotten that impression from all their doom-and-gloom threads the last few days! As you should know, appearances can be deceaving. I would not be surprised that more high sec miners continue to operate then ever before. Those fiendishly clever miners...They wanted permanent Hulkageddon all along...To draw us in...And that's when they strike! |
Rene Fullchest
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.06.03 03:22:00 -
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I can assure you that the mittani does not want to break Eve. There is always a metagame going on that you simply cannot recognize.
However, where your hypothetical goes off the rails is just there. He doesn't want to break Eve at all. He wants to ruin YOUR game, not THE game. There will always be new players literally flooding in. They will hear the stories and HTFU, or not, but either way, he, the GSF, nor the CFC plan on ruining OUR game.
Hope this clears it up for you, though I doubt it will. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1031
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Posted - 2012.06.03 03:24:00 -
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Add enough of those YOUR games together and you will get THE game.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.03 03:49:00 -
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Pax Deltari wrote:dafuq did I just read? abunchacrap |
Hieronymus Pendergast
Smeghead Inc Omega Vector
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Posted - 2012.06.03 04:01:00 -
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James 315 wrote:
The important thing right now is that we work together to get rid of the highsec miners. Let's not get distracted with other things. Once the highsec miners are gone, we can worry about what comes next.
Being a fairly new player, what is wrong with the high sec miners? Just curious. |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.03 04:55:00 -
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Hieronymus Pendergast wrote:James 315 wrote:
The important thing right now is that we work together to get rid of the highsec miners. Let's not get distracted with other things. Once the highsec miners are gone, we can worry about what comes next.
Being a fairly new player, what is wrong with the high sec miners? Just curious.
It's because they squeal real good. |
Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2012.06.03 06:00:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:Hieronymus Pendergast wrote:James 315 wrote:
The important thing right now is that we work together to get rid of the highsec miners. Let's not get distracted with other things. Once the highsec miners are gone, we can worry about what comes next.
Being a fairly new player, what is wrong with the high sec miners? Just curious. It's because they squeal real good.
Not as good as some of the gankers though. :) |
Makkal Hanaya
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.03 06:09:00 -
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Hieronymus Pendergast wrote:James 315 wrote:
The important thing right now is that we work together to get rid of the highsec miners. Let's not get distracted with other things. Once the highsec miners are gone, we can worry about what comes next.
Being a fairly new player, what is wrong with the high sec miners? Just curious. I'm new here myself, but as I understand it, some view high-sec mining as generally not fitting the philosophy of EVE.
The EVE play experience is intended to be a harsh and unforgiving one where players must assume a certain amount of risk in order to be rewarded. Traditionally, high security mining means getting a steady flow of income while being semi-AFK. Hulkageddon adds risk to high security mining while rewarding those willing to team up to gank ships.
As such, you can see it as a form of social engineering.
There are likely economic incentives behind Hulkageddon - people mining in low and null sec their minerals become more valuable - and Goonswarm likely enjoys being the talk all over town, but that seems to be the heart of it.
That and collecting carebear tears. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1090
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Posted - 2012.06.03 06:11:00 -
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Hieronymus Pendergast wrote:James 315 wrote:
The important thing right now is that we work together to get rid of the highsec miners. Let's not get distracted with other things. Once the highsec miners are gone, we can worry about what comes next.
Being a fairly new player, what is wrong with the high sec miners? Just curious.
Nothing. What's wrong is that as new player you are reading General Discussion.
It's possibly the most psychotic, bitter, deviant, pathetic (and unmoderated) forum ever created for any product of all time. Even worse than WoW's. Here you will daily find open apologies to WW2 dictators, death wishes put on top of whole categories and so on. All egregiously unmoderated.
If you want to keep your sanity you might want to close this forum now and never open it again. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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