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Moonlord Ticonderoga
Fweddit
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Posted - 2012.06.03 05:54:00 -
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Has anyone been able to squeeze some utility out of this ship? I'm a lower sp character, newish to pvp and kinda poor. I like the price of the hull and was thinkin' you fellers could help me fit one for small gang pvp, and solo.
This is what I've been playing with thus far:
Medium Pulse Laser II x2 - Scorch
Limited 1MN Microwarp Drive J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor Cap Recharger II
200mm Rolled Tungsten Plate Basic Nanofiber Internal structure Heat Sink II Adaptive Nano Plating II
Hobgoblin II x2 |
Whisperen
That's Not A Knife Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.06.03 07:16:00 -
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[Tormentor, Activepew]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Nanobot Accelerator I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hobgoblin II x2
Ive had a lot of fun roaming around in one of these. Pick your targets and use overheat. It wont always win but it will often get away when things go sour. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.03 08:31:00 -
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Try:
Nanofiber Internal Structure II Tracking Enhancer II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Tracking Enhancer II
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [Empty High slot]
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Energy Collision Accelerator I Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Warrior II x2
100dps @15.9+4.1 4.27k ehp 2880m/s
Kite at around 15k.
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2012.06.03 10:12:00 -
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The tormentor is a great example showing that the DEVS don't understand combat. It can't do the role they invented for this ship, it's not a logical ship to use in any sort of way. "It works sometimes against idiot targets" is hardly a valid rebuttal. |
Whisperen
That's Not A Knife Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.06.03 15:18:00 -
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It has a role? I thought it was a t1 ship a mini Armageddon hence the flexibility. Its role is what you make it and its a welcome change to all the cookie cutter specialized ships that are such the rage these days. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.06.03 15:40:00 -
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The only real advantage of the Tormentor is that it's still only 50k isk to make. Still, without a proper role, it's still money down the drain. I'm not impressed with how CCP Ytterbium's Tiercide going so far. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2012.06.03 15:47:00 -
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Whisperen wrote:It has a role?.
My point exactly :)
CCP dreamt up some roles for ships based on... no actual eve combat logic and then started rebalancing ships to perform in those imaginary roles. The Tormentor can't even work in the role they made up for it, that's how useless it is. There's no logical fit that makes sense in an actual ingame scenario that makes it a good ship. Amat victoria curam. |
Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.03 16:56:00 -
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Cheap tackle. Which amarr needed. 3 mid slots unlike the punisher for this. So I'd say it's a very good change and exactly what was needed. You want to fight in a t1 frig get the punisher, you want a disposable tackle fly his. I don't see the issue. |
Zarnak Wulf
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.03 18:25:00 -
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Gitanmaxx wrote:Cheap tackle. Which amarr needed. 3 mid slots unlike the punisher for this. So I'd say it's a very good change and exactly what was needed. You want to fight in a t1 frig get the punisher, you want a disposable tackle fly his. I don't see the issue.
This. And 170+ish DPS on a tech one frigate is nothing to sneeze at either. |
George Whitebread
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.03 18:53:00 -
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Whisperen wrote:It has a role? I thought it was a t1 ship a mini Armageddon hence the flexibility. Its role is what you make it and its a welcome change to all the cookie cutter specialized ships that are such the rage these days.
Funny you should say that, since CCP clearly have stated that their remaking of frigates (and later other ship classes) is to make more specialized ships in order to remove "useless" ships that serves no purpose from this game. So "flexibility" is actually what CCP want to move away from. In that regard, they have failed if what you say is the case (never tried new Tormentor myself).
"I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say" - George Whitebread |
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Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis
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Posted - 2012.06.03 18:54:00 -
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Gitanmaxx wrote:Cheap tackle. Which amarr needed. 3 mid slots unlike the punisher for this. So I'd say it's a very good change and exactly what was needed. You want to fight in a t1 frig get the punisher, you want a disposable tackle fly his. I don't see the issue.
BLAPHSEMY.
ALL FRIGATES MUST EXCEL AT SOLO PVP.
On a serious note, though, it would be nice of CCP to actually make the tormentor a bit faster if they want it to be used as a tackler. Currently, it's slower than the Punisher.
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George Whitebread
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.03 19:04:00 -
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Roosterton wrote: BLAPHSEMY.
Typo? You mean Blap Sehmy right? link.
"I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say" - George Whitebread |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.04 08:04:00 -
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It's the only Amarr laser frig hull with 3 mids in the game. That alone makes it special and useful. |
Kaikka Carel
White syndicate Wormholes Holders
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Posted - 2012.06.04 08:33:00 -
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So it's a tackleboat until new executioner kicks in? |
Maeltstome
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.04 08:52:00 -
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Kaikka Carel wrote:So it's a tackleboat until new executioner kicks in?
Execution will still have 2 mids, but i bet they will make it a missile boat or at least a split system. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2012.06.04 08:55:00 -
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I really don't get CCP. They remove the Amarr mining frigate and then let it all hang in limbo, there's no substitute for Amarr pilots who want to mine till CCP gets its arse in gear (which knowing CCP can take quite a while) and they replaced it with a ship that lacks a real purpose other than "3 slot tackler, even though it's not really that good". Amat victoria curam. |
Kaikka Carel
White syndicate Wormholes Holders
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:05:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Kaikka Carel wrote:So it's a tackleboat until new executioner kicks in? Execution will still have 2 mids, but i bet they will make it a missile boat or at least a split system.
Split system? Why? Where does that info comes from?
2 mids? That's a fail for a tackleboat. Should be 3 and to hell with the flavor, the role demands it, period. |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.04 23:47:00 -
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PvP yes it is a tad lacking. I was messing around with a Beam and TD kite fit to see how it did.
PvE though its an interesting choice for a newbie, being able to do 1/4 of your damage as explosive on a laser boat should not be sneezed at I lied :o
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The VC's
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.05 00:37:00 -
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I've been having some fun with this. Swap the Memory Cell for another Locus if your cap skills are good. The tracking disruptor is your tank.
[Tormentor, td]
Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Fleeting Warp Disruptor I Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [Empty High slot] Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Energy Locus Coordinator I Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Hobgoblin II x2
111 dps at L5. The Tormentor isn't really gonna chuck out high damage levels and keep a rounded fit but it's steady dps and can wear the target down. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:40:00 -
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Oh no. The Tormentor is flexible in its role and fittings! How do the Amarr pilots know how to fit it? That's unheard of!
Imagine what they are going to do to the Prophecy, the Augoror and the Maller! Imagine, an Amarr battlecruiser with HAMs, or HAM/Lasers?!?! The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Crellion
Parental Control
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:52:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:I really don't get CCP. They remove the Amarr mining frigate and then let it all hang in limbo, there's no substitute for Amarr pilots who want to mine till CCP gets its arse in gear (which knowing CCP can take quite a while) and they replaced it with a ship that lacks a real purpose other than "3 slot tackler, even though it's not really that good".
Your first two posts were borderline but this one...
Two possibilities only:
@90% somewhere somehow you managed to get podded repeatedly by a known CCP alt ... However because its is a well known fact that our new breed of Devs largely sux at pvp I have a plan B,
@10% you are a bittermuch frigate miner dude...
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:39:00 -
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Third possibility, he's pulling your leg. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:38:00 -
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Crellion wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:I really don't get CCP. They remove the Amarr mining frigate and then let it all hang in limbo, there's no substitute for Amarr pilots who want to mine till CCP gets its arse in gear (which knowing CCP can take quite a while) and they replaced it with a ship that lacks a real purpose other than "3 slot tackler, even though it's not really that good". Your first two posts were borderline but this one... Two possibilities only: @90% somewhere somehow you managed to get podded repeatedly by a known CCP alt ... However because its is a well known fact that our new breed of Devs largely sux at pvp I have a plan B, @10% you are a bittermuch frigate miner dude...
What?
- They removed the Amarr mining ship, that's a fact. Would someone want to mine as a starting Amarr player then what? The PLAN was to make up for that with some new easy entry ORE mining ship but in true CCP fashion that's not happening just yet. In the mean time Amarr have no newbie mining option and who knows how long it's going to take before that's solved
- CCP has a lousy track record when it comes to implementing stuff and doing it in time, the whole ":18 months:, we've learned from it honest" is bogus. CCP hasn't learned anything and they still put out badly thought out mediocre changes in a half arsed way. The last expansion that rolled out properly was Apocrypha (probably because Seleene was involved).
And no, been doing solo/small gang pvp for years. Amat victoria curam. |
Whisperen
That's Not A Knife Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.06.05 09:03:00 -
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Its only been a few weeks since the expansion and we have had bug fix patchs since then. You need to reign in your demands a little bit and wait for the next content patch patience is a virtue after all. CCP wanted to implement a number of different things in inferno and for the most part they have delivered and mining ships changes (tiercide) are most likely one of the least important parts. Personally I would rather see crimewatch changes then ship balance at the current time.
Amarr not having a frigate that everyone else has is not a new phenomena.
Back on subject the tormentor is the best t1 tackle frigate the amarr have atm the utility high and 3 mids means it can use a nos/web/scram or any other tackle package and be viable that is something the punisher just cant do. |
George Whitebread
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.05 15:05:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote: - They removed the Amarr mining ship, that's a fact. Would someone want to mine as a starting Amarr player then what? The PLAN was to make up for that with some new easy entry ORE mining ship but in true CCP fashion that's not happening just yet. In the mean time Amarr have no newbie mining option and who knows how long it's going to take before that's solved.
I totally agree.
What some people in this thread seem to forget, is that most likely none of us in here have no use of a mining frigate - ever. We are not worried for ourselves, but on behalf of others: The problem lies within the case of a new player (not a new character) who tries this game for the very first time. If he/she is picking Amarr, there will be greater limitations for this player than for someone who picks another race. BTW, does anyone know how this is dealt with in the industry tutorial mission for Amarr? Those missions [used to] give you a mining frigate. "I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say" - George Whitebread |
Bridgette d'Iberville
DeadStar Marauders
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Posted - 2012.06.05 15:41:00 -
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George Whitebread wrote:BTW, does anyone know how this is dealt with in the industry tutorial mission for Amarr? Those missions [used to] give you a mining frigate. I would be absolutely shocked if it doesn't still give you a Tormentor, bonuses be damned. Neut the bastards |
Whisperen
That's Not A Knife Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.06.05 16:18:00 -
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With 2 light drones its a 'better' mining frigate it can fit a tank 2x mining lasers and 2 drones for defence. For a new player its not yield that important its not being killed by the rats in the belt/anom that you want to mine. This will work for new players. The loss in yield from the mining version is more then made up for by the ability to kill and loot the belt rats in hisec.
[Tormentor, mining]
Small Armor Repairer I Co-Processor I Co-Processor I Expanded Cargohold I
1MN Afterburner I Survey Scanner I Cap Recharger I
Miner I Miner I Small Tractor Beam I
Small Cargohold Optimization I Small Cargohold Optimization I Small Cargohold Optimization I
Civilian Hobgoblin x2 |
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