If a group of individual, let's say 6 of them, why cant they own there own system, why as it come the need to be 5000. It's nice to lots but that's not community.

If a group of individual, let's say 6 of them, why cant they own there own system, why as it come the need to be 5000. It's nice to lots but that's not community.

I have been part of Goons, got rl friends in goons and other major alliances. I'm not talking out of my hat. All I'm saying is im sure there are more fun way then the normal 5000 vs 4000 etc. I just suggested having new rules etc.

I'm not talking about kicking 5000 people out, let them have their system with there corp, not goons, Goons could be the government but its should not be theirs, it should be the people that own the space.

I'm not talking about kicking 5000 people out, let them have their system with there corp, not goons, Goons could be the government but its should not be theirs, it should be the people that own the space.

I don't know exactly how to do it, there is people like the one earlier that have really good idea. I'm not saying kill the alliances. but give the sov the the player, not alliances . So I could actually make a name for my self and call somewhere in space home.

Would you rather be part of a alliance and be one of the 5000 that own many system but that don't belong to you or be part of a corp that own a system and be part of a 30 men group that strives to defend, get isk and live from there own system.

I think you would feel a bigger sense of ownership like that then say i'm in goons territory.

I'm not talking about kicking 5000 people out, let them have their system with there corp, not goons, Goons could be the government but its should not be theirs, it should be the people that own the space.

Let me tell you why. Because there are tight-knit communities of thousands (yes, they are very, very real communities) which want that space.

Six people can try to hold it sure, but just like real life, you're going to need a whole freaking lot more than a few buddies and some handguns to take over a city or small country that has its own identity and organized military.

I think this is not a bad idea to. Space is big why not ccp put more system in. Longer travel to get somewhere once you are in the border. That's ok since space is really big. I don't have a clue how their network server works, but I'm sure it would be do able.

Same thing with wormhole, to often your are 6 friend working your way and then 30 ships roll true and kill everything you work for. I understand the game really well. I have been playing really well. But I think it would be way more fun to be able to have hundred and thousand of little corp having there own system and being proud of it, not like 1 in a 5000 guy alliance. No body even know who you are, you just one more ship.

I am not sure about your tight-knit statement. My feeling is that a lot of null sec residents joined sov holding alliances for the higher profits that it brings and count on the security that big nap trains can provide them to keep profits stable. When these null bears have just a slight feeling that things start to get out of hand, a lot of them simply move to another null sec alliance that holds space somewhere else on the map.

I am not sure that the sense of attachement within null sec players is as strong as you say.

Perhaps sov could be changed so an alliiance can only officially hold 1 system per corporation within an alliance. Maybe make it easier for sov to change hands.

screw 6 guys

Limits like that simply don't work. Wanna know why?

==ANNOUNCEMENT==
Everyone train corporation management 1! We're going to break into 9500 1 man corps!

Limit the number of corps in an alliance?

==ANNOUNCEMENT==
Hey guys! We're breaking into 700 alliances, we'll coordinate through the forums and jabber.

Oh that's an easy enough fix. Simply have it so the ceo of each corporation that would be designated as a holder corp for an alliance train Empire Control I, or some other training standard.

As if that would do much.
Alliances in null often announce preferred training goals that are months into the future. A change like this being announced would have nearly every member of every nullsec alliance prepared before or shortly after it went live.

Point is, you cannot mechanically limit alliance organization. Because the vast majority of said organization exists outside of EVE, all you end up doing is pushing more of it outside of the game itself, without actually damaging it one bit. Minor speedbumps are the worst that can be done.

At least the way it is now, its easy to reset TEST.

Can you imagine how hard it would be if they broke into 7000 1 man alliances?

CCP, people are getting tired of the null sov system. Even people in it. Yes its nice to be a group of people fighting to get your own space. But at one point it gets boring. Fighting for moons, anything else really?
If a group of individual, let's say 6 of them, why cant they own there own system, why as it come the need to be 5000. It's nice to lots but that's not community.
I suggest you change it so those 6 guys can actually own something and work to keep it.

Anyhow, I don't think it ll change anytime soon, but lot's of people are getting bored.

this current sov system , while a good step forward compaed to the previous one

Would be nice to see something that makes them move their buts more often .... like moongoo that depletes ... cough cough ;..omy the epic whines that would create

No, it really wasn't.


I hope you don't think that would actually help anyone, nor that it would bring down T2 prices. Quite the contrary.

If a group of individual, let's say 6 of them, why cant they own there own system, why as it come the need to be 5000. It's nice to lots but that's not community.

tl;dr: if 6 people can claim sov, then an alliance of 5,000 can have 6 people claim sov for them and the other 4,994 people making sure your 6 guys don't get anywhere near the sov buttons.

The issue is any system the 5000 have sov in will have 5000 defending it when you attempt to contest it.

wait..
That 5000 man alliance... can't they claim sov in 830 systems now?

Over 9000, actually. And heh look at solar fleet, 164 systems for 1434 characters, and AAA with 123 for 3679 characters.

Where does this sense of entitlement come from, that 6 guys should be able to take and hold there own system?

Fair question. So how many friends do you think it should take to own a system? You know so it doesn't come off sounding like a sense of entitlement.

Where does this sense of entitlement come from, that 6 guys should be able to take and hold there own system?

Fair question. So how many friends do you think it should take to own a system? You know so it doesn't come off sounding like a sense of entitlement.

CCP, people are getting tired of the null sov system. Even people in it. Yes its nice to be a group of people fighting to get your own space. But at one point it gets boring. Fighting for moons, anything else really?
If a group of individual, let's say 6 of them, why cant they own there own system, why as it come the need to be 5000. It's nice to lots but that's not community.
I suggest you change it so those 6 guys can actually own something and work to keep it.

Anyhow, I don't think it ll change anytime soon, but lot's of people are getting bored.

we need a new dev blog on where ccp is with this it has been over 6 months since we heard that they were looking at it .

then they come out with this new ui ... its almost like they have A.D.D.

Lets fix sov !!... alright great !! Lets do it !!
oooooooooo look at war dec system... al right lets fix it !!!
ahhhhhh this ui needs to be polished ... I CAN FIX IT !!!
what were we doing again ?? oh yeah lets balance those ships !!
which ship was it ?? black ops i think , oh yeah here is the notes, wait these are from 2010 that cant be right .
oh look at this ambulation wow, now that is really cool, lets do that !! alright here we go !!!

Just now figuring this out?

All this back in forth and tail chasing one could be forgiving for having thought they were amidst the chaos of progress .

Hell, a one man vanity corp may be able to pull off the same trick in, say, Cobalt edge, briefly. Actually holding that space, or doing anything meaningful with it, well, that's another thing.

That would be hilarious, but remember IRC does red pen CTAs for small roaming gangs in their space

Maybe make ownership based on # of kills in the system? Whoever has the most kills in the past, say, week, holds sov?

Call me crazy, but if the time you are willing to spend on traveling is shorter than the time it takes you to reach the border of the territory you and your friends control; you have too many blues.

Reset some!

What if 90% of said kills are allies popping each other's pods?

That would be hilarious, but remember IRC does red pen CTAs for small roaming gangs in their space

What if 90% of said kills are allies popping each other's pods?

I like the way you put it there. But inside that city, I do own my lot with my house on it, and its mine. I live in my city because I like it here. But I do own something and when there is people that want to steal my stuff I defend it.
I think it would be more fun in eve that people get to own the system and call it home, not a station where you park your stuff in.

Enough to defend it from attack?

You are aware that the 300 still lost, even tho they were peerless warriors, each of whom was worth many of his opponents, while holding a perfect defensive position, right?

What if 90% of said kills are allies popping each other's pods?

if your referencing teh spartans, then it was more then 300, adn they brought a couple thousand friends too.

persians just brought more.

The problem is not sov or the mechanics governing it. The problem is large alliances will claim sov only in the systems they need it but assume control over a much larger area of space. The only way in my mind to make alliance space contract is to make logistics in eve more difficult so it no longer becomes worth defending systems over a certain distance away. Unfortunately eve is moving in the opposite direction and making travel a lot easier.