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Lian Ming
Gallente The White Aces
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Posted - 2009.09.02 04:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lian Ming on 02/09/2009 04:16:51 Edit: As for the running off with the 200bil, if I see this as something people would be willing to invest in/take advantage of the service offered, the initial buy in would be secured by me depositing all funds acquired with Chribba (again if he agrees to hold the isk for a nominal fee) until the IPO was sold out and the corporation began operations. Even then I would take a lesson from the EVEBank fiasco and make the transactions as transparent as possible.
Originally by: Altair Mogwa Edited by: Altair Mogwa on 02/09/2009 03:28:45 What's the time line on return of investments / dividends, and what is keeping you from running off with the IPO ? Just playing devils advocate i suppose, but if i had to wage my isk I could easily see the 200B (20,000 shares x 10M per share) running off, You buying a couple uber SP toons with 150+B left over for fun, and we never see Lian again.
Most individuals who reach the titan / mom pilot and ownership level have alts and holding characters, or it is an alt and has no reason to park. I forsee a small market and a long time to repay the IPOS's or start turning a profit.
If you can get 2 titans and 10 motherships at all times the IPO will pay all investment in a year. Depending on the ammount of supercaps that are stored I would prefer to place half of the ISK generated into deposit insurance accounts, adding to maximum holding capacity.
If the IPO could at all times hold 4 titans and 20 mohterships (a mere fraction of what is out there at the moment not 2% of the titans and I would wager less than a half a percent of the motherships out there) you could afford to return all the intial buys and 100% gain on the investment within 1-1/2 to 2 years.
Yes thats not spectacular returns at first, but if you keep growth in mind of only mothership parking (as i am sure there would be a greater number of pilots willing to park a mothership) the returns could be very big indeed.
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Shinma Apollo
Caldari 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.09.02 05:03:00 -
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I just saw your fees and kind of laughed. Again, the price is too much to justify it.
Though, if you want something that you can do, have a new and used mothership dealership. Just offer up isk to stock at least 1-2 of each MS, and try and corner the market of sales and delivery on them.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:12:00 -
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Salmeria
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:58:00 -
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anyone that can afford a titan can afford a lowsec pos to store it at. what is 200m a month in fuel compared to the value of a titan? chances are that if they can afford the titan they could afford the pos.
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Mitch Taylor
Caldari Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.09.02 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 02/09/2009 07:10:29 this is a terrible idea. if you bought a supercap and didnt get a second toon to sit in it when you wanna go planetside your an idiot.
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Kola XXX
Caldari Lush Blue Garden
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Posted - 2009.09.02 07:32:00 -
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"requirements and Fees- As the SuperCaps will have a pilot in them and they will be logged off, the location of the SuperCap will be unknown to everyone."
Except people with locater agents...so everyone. The names of your holding pilots will get leaked quickly and in a small corp like your current 12 man corp, you could easily locate them all without much work.
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Kitano
Caldari THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.09.02 08:19:00 -
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As a titan pilot i would never consider this an option.
Don't trust you and those prices are ridiculous
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Sally Bestonge
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.02 15:53:00 -
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How is this a safer alternative than parking my hypothetical titan in sov4 space?
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Lian Ming
Gallente The White Aces
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Posted - 2009.09.02 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kitano As a titan pilot i would never consider this an option.
Don't trust you and those prices are ridiculous
Aside from the trust factor, which would be earned over time, what would be a fair price in your opinion?
This is an idea to test the waters, something i am researching to see what fair price would be and if there would be a desire to use the service in any capacity.
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Lian Ming
Gallente The White Aces
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Posted - 2009.09.02 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sally Bestonge How is this a safer alternative than parking my hypothetical titan in sov4 space?
It would be safe in that instead of the titan floating around in space it would be logged off and gone. Also it would be backed by at least 45 billion (if not more if people would rather market value of the ship and not mineral price be used as a deposit) deposited with a trusted EVE Source as a gaurantee that your ship would be safe and kept well for you when you decide to retrieve it.
I understand that nothing liek this has ever been proposed before. That is the reason i feel the service could be of some use. If there was a well laid business plan, as much security built in as possible using the most trusted methods in EVE of securing your supercaps, it COULD possibly be something people are interested in.
Obviously there are those that would never want to exit their titan or mothership, and this service isnt for those people. But for everyone who has ever said "God Im tired of floating around in this thing and not being able to do anythig with character" this would give them an alternative to just ejecting from it in a POS. An alternative that would garauntee the cost of the ship when you leave it.
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R0ze
Gallente Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.02 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lian Ming Fees- A Parking fee of 1 billion isk will be required the first time an Owner Pilot parks his/her ship. A Parking fee of 500 million will be required from previous Owner Pilot customers. A fee of 300mil per week for motherships and 500million per week for Titans will be required for the Owner Pilot.
Lets assume that you find a pilot who trusts you and for a moment lets forget everything else..
But what is his economical reason for that? Large POS+CSMA = 1.2bil ISK + 150-200mil fuel for month - clearly after the first week you ask for lot more than running individual/owned hardware. Where is the gain?
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Quince Dupree
Gallente H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.09.02 23:05:00 -
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Think we been trolled boys
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Cors
Gallente It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.09.02 23:08:00 -
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I'm trying to understand WHY anyone would want to be out of their titan?
If you are a titan pilot, that char is your TITAN pilot. That's his PURPOSE.
You would have other char's for just pvping, for logistics, for popping cyno's and so on.
Titan pilots SHOULDN'T leave their titan. The only time they should is when they have a personal POS that they feel safe leaving it in.
In theory, it's nice, but in execution, it has too many holes. Your Min value escrow is the first issue. Hmm. Lets give someone we know nothing about a 60 billion isk ship, with 20-40 billion in officer mods, and OH NOES. it's been "stolen" and we get 45 bil isk. Hmm. 45 Billion isk Profit to the person we know nothing about and don't trust.. no thanks.
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Charlemeign
Gallente The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.02 23:27:00 -
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I own 17 Supercaps, can I halp?
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Druk Dorje
Minmatar Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2009.09.02 23:29:00 -
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Soon to be announced?
Rent a Doomsday [RADD] Corporation For a mere 1 Billion/dd ( minimum of 5 ), a titan conga line warps to your cyno and unleashes a swarm of doomsdays. Requests for specific damage types will be honored as much as possible.
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Gnosis19
Caldari Ichizoku DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.09.03 10:30:00 -
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Hay I'll buy the titans you steal for 45b for 50b kay? -- Gnosis19, CEO
PvP & Indy Pilots Needed - 6m SP+ First Ichizoku Lottery - win a bil! |
D'ceet
Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.03 11:47:00 -
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i dont own a supercap, but since we're brosefs, can i just park my lazy ass there? Jita is getting boring
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Palmer Eldritch
Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.03 12:39:00 -
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I have an account on which none of the characters has any history with Goonswarm (or any other alliance), specifically for the purpose of trying to gain entrance and positions of trust in corps such as this.
I am not the only person that does this.
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Lian Ming
Gallente The White Aces
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Posted - 2009.09.03 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: R0ze
Originally by: Lian Ming Fees- A Parking fee of 1 billion isk will be required the first time an Owner Pilot parks his/her ship. A Parking fee of 500 million will be required from previous Owner Pilot customers. A fee of 300mil per week for motherships and 500million per week for Titans will be required for the Owner Pilot.
Lets assume that you find a pilot who trusts you and for a moment lets forget everything else..
But what is his economical reason for that? Large POS+CSMA = 1.2bil ISK + 150-200mil fuel for month - clearly after the first week you ask for lot more than running individual/owned hardware. Where is the gain?
Good question, and i was placing numbers out there to get a feel for what the market could handle. They are too high after i looked into it a bit more and had some of my eve friends go over it.
But again this is for suggestions from people to see if this could be something.
What would be a fair price to you? 100mil a week for a mothership? A one time setup fee of 250mil? If we ignored Titans and focused exclusively on secure mothership parking the costs would dramatically go down as the characters to fly motherships are immensely cheaper, as is the security deposit we would have to place.
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Lian Ming
Gallente The White Aces
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Posted - 2009.09.03 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Palmer Eldritch I have an account on which none of the characters has any history with Goonswarm (or any other alliance), specifically for the purpose of trying to gain entrance and positions of trust in corps such as this.
I am not the only person that does this.
This company would not be open to recruitment in any way, we would not recruit nor would we take on any more ships than we have the man power to secure and hold on our own because of characters like yours.
Cheers bro.
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Lian Ming
Gallente The White Aces
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Posted - 2009.09.03 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: D'ceet i dont own a supercap, but since we're brosefs, can i just park my lazy ass there? Jita is getting boring
Yes you may D'Ceet.
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D'ceet
Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.03 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lian Ming
Originally by: D'ceet i dont own a supercap, but since we're brosefs, can i just park my lazy ass there? Jita is getting boring
Yes you may D'Ceet.
:brofist: - i'll hit you up ingame with my pos needs
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General Windypops
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.03 23:15:00 -
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You offer no assurances to those of us who are serious roleplayers that you won't be using minmatar slave services to.. oh who am I kidding, I don't give a toss. Your business model is laughable, and you don't even have a decent logo.
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Goberth Ludwig
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.09.03 23:36:00 -
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Its a huge fee per week why would someone pay that? With a couple months of fees you can buy an alt specialised in whatever you wanted to do m8
- Gob
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Irish Duff
Minmatar Universal Exports Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.09.04 00:17:00 -
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Even on the off chance this isn't a scam, I think people rich enough to have supercaps are rich enough to have chars to park them in.
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Juilus Carnius
Caldari Powerthirst inc. Exiliar Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.04 00:22:00 -
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Come on guys this is a great idea we all need a good pit to through our money into
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Pixel SonursCreen
Gallente Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.04 13:04:00 -
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first of all, anyone who owns and needs to park a supercapital and is not able to do so within their own corp/alliance = EPIC FAIL. further more u should know by making up an idea like this most common case is characters trained specifically for the supercap, so they never need to leave the ship until it gets destroyed as their owners simply do the other things they like to do in this game with another character then the supercap pilot.
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flakeys
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.04 15:16:00 -
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I think you are aiming at the wrong cutsomers.While it makes sence to think the 0.0 folks are the ones to aim for my idea would be the empire people.
Basically empire people with the isk to buy a mothership but not the safety as 0.0 corps can give will find this interesting in my opinion.A lot of empire folks especialy traders have the isk for it but not the means to safely store it.
If you had this service running a few months back i certainly wowuld have used it if the insurance was between mineral price and sale price so say somewhere around 16 bille.
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XoPhyte
Gallente Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.04 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Xicho This can't possibly go wrong.
I lol'd
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