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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.09.03 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ztagger Lee Edited by: Ztagger Lee on 03/09/2009 07:52:49
I doubt you actually know squat about ws simply because of your assumption that we don't fight, work hard, and organize for what we get in ws.
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Ztagger Lee
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Posted - 2009.09.03 09:54:00 -
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Just because colonials have to import doesn't mean they didn't 'settle' there. It is also going to be hard for you to find one modern nation/culture that is actually self supporting in 50% of its' needs. The only truly self sufficient cultures that ever existed found their limits and are now long dead. Go figger.
WS has been and is being settled. Get use to it. Many have come to stay.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.09.03 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Myra2007 Source
What gives?
POS needs fuel. You can't mine fuel in w-space, which means you cannot be self-sufficient, ergo you can't actually "settle" there. I doubt you'll be able to convince the local NPCs to sell you mechanical parts and enriched uranium, either.
Your right we cant mine fuel in w-space. Fuel is one jump over . That make it is SOOO hard. /sarcasm.
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.09.03 10:03:00 -
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there are varying degrees of wormhole control correct taht it is how much pressure u apply unto the system and security
Ok so u control via a pos and an active corp a wormhole
unless u have a few hundred peeps and even then youre going to run out of anamolies unless u start going next door. U cant control 24/7 ohte rpeople can move in setup and either go blue to u, remain neut , or go red and fight within system
Some corps use em as production stations shipping in to research others as pvp bases of oeprations or places to launch random daily ratting ops into new secotrs so theres a range of possibles
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Ztagger Lee
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Posted - 2009.09.03 10:34:00 -
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Maybe its the poor english and I do understand the elements of what you are saying Helios... but i'm having trouble seeing where your point concerning the topic is.
Maybe a friend with better english could help you make it more clear.
No offense btw... just hard to make out where you were going with it.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.09.03 10:44:00 -
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Let's fix regular sovereignty first....
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Ztagger Lee
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Posted - 2009.09.03 11:03:00 -
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We have no desire to 'fix' sov in ws. The idea is to remove it and its' limitations completely from ws. There is no point to sov in ws. Just make sov not matter at all in ws... problem solved. You can work on 'fixing' sov all you want in ks.
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Ekeim
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Posted - 2009.09.03 12:03:00 -
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With wormhole colonization in full swing it's already well on its way to becoming little more than sleeper sov nullsec with hidden, wandering jump gates. I liked the exploration aspect of it when it came out. Finding systems picked to the bone by campers from it or a neighboring WH system removes a lot of the fun.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.03 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: XXSketchxx on 03/09/2009 12:43:22 The only real benefit I see of sov is epeen. All these people asking for sov are basically people that don't have the balls/want to put in the effort to fight for real sov. And don't spout the "we don't want to NAP, we don't want to be part of a big alliance" bull. You want to do big things? Then get a lot of friends, make some political connections, fight your way up and grab some space. Kiss some ass. You want moons? Same thing.
W-space is not for the "oh I failed to get regular sov so I'm going to go after some w-space" people. Yes CCP meant for colonization. That much is clear as we can anchor and live out of POSs. But outposts? Really? You'll destroy the unique nature of w-space. Moons? Come on. Settle up in a class 6 that connects to class 5s or something and do some work. Moons are for 0.0 space alliances that need to fund capital fleets and the outposts they earn through the ridiculous amount of effort that comes with owning sov space. That is the end game. Not w-space. W-space is something unique.
And just to note for the idiots that will inevidentably flame this. I am a w-space colonist, not a major alliance member (though I did spend some time enjoying that part of the game, and learned a lot). W-space does not need sov. You really need a pretty dot on the map that has your alliance name on it? You really need an outpost? Really need POS fuel use bonus? Be real. The real reason is epeen.
CCP just needs to fix the various idiocies with POSs and all will be fine. Stop trying to turn w-space into something its not. Especially due to:
Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes.
No.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.09.03 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 03/09/2009 12:55:25 Ztagger Lee: All your suggestions seems to be limited to massive boosts for w-space residents tipping the scale strongly in their favor. Do you have any suggestion on major drawbacks for w-space residents that has to be implemented too to balance the scale once again?
Btw. I will support your suggestions if you will support mine about how CCP should simply dump 1 billion isk into my wallet on a weekly basis and allow me to play for free. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:03:00 -
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Agree , i think static moon minerals would be to huge boost.
Then how about asteroid belts with moon minerals ?.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: aka Ishur Edited by: aka Ishur on 02/09/2009 18:31:39 1) Six months of a timer ticking and nothing happened yet?
You assume there has been no changes to wormhole mechanics since the launch 6 months ago, and that there are none in the pipeline.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:23:00 -
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Let's not and say we did.
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Ztagger Lee
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Posted - 2009.09.03 15:11:00 -
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To Jowen: Yes I do and I don't think ws residents should get the bennies without a cost. My tz is forcing me to crash right now, however, but I will get back here tommorrow and yak about it.
Sry i'm not into it right now but I simply have to sleep.
Fly safe all...
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.03 16:29:00 -
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Sov in W-Space? No.
Ways to get moon materials other than moon mining? Yes.
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Norahb
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Posted - 2009.09.03 18:43:00 -
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To Ztagger Lee if it was me that you were suggesting is in a big Alliance I am not . I am a part time resident in W-space . My point was not that taking down PoS's in W-space would be easy my point is the the big Alliances have the time , the people and the resources to do it . The high sec worm holes that open into w-space have small mass budgets that limit large fleets from coming into a w-space system at once . The null sec wormholes have larger mass budgets . It would be far easier for a null sec alliance to enter a class 3 let's from the class 5 next to you that has a a null sec opening and a larger mass budget than the high sec opening that you scan down every day to get supplies in and materials out and back to k-space . I just do not want w-space to become like null sec . If I wanted null sec I would go there and join one of the Alliances that are already there . If I could change one thing about w-space it would be to reverse the drop rate changes that have occurred . Sleeper combat sites in class 3's and lower are becoming not worth the effort anymore . The salvage and loot prices have just dropped so far . I would like to make isk in w-space doing w-space specific activities not doing the same things that can already be done in null sec( CCP quit nerfing my ability to make isk in wormholes ) .
It seems to me that we may be getting side tracked here and some of the discussions are leading to null sec sovereignty issues and if those rules need to be changed and if there should be more null sec systems added or what not . This topic started out on Autobot's suggestion that w-space should have sovereignty and to that I say no .
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.09.03 18:52:00 -
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The best thing that came out of this thread was NPC:s attacking POS.
Go go !
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2009.09.03 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Blusick My opinion, unless someone Fixes! the POS so that internal theft or theivery can be fixed properly, stations would be a welcome sight.
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Ztagger Lee
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Posted - 2009.09.04 01:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ztagger Lee on 04/09/2009 01:05:59 Back to Jowen: Now that i've had some sleep i'll be happy to expand on that Jowen. First I want to say that we don't need sov in ws at all. There is no need to introduce a load of mechanics there that serve no purpose. Simply remove all sov effects from ws. Thats enough.
Rather than talk about all of it... which is too much for one post... i'll just address the outpost first. Without sov requirement... first off... an outpost is immediately doable with no further changes. An outpost is of great benefit to an alliance at the moment because of the benefits it gives. Most of those would not exist in ws without sov. The removal of those benefits would be quite a cost up front considering what it takes to get and keep one.
My true desire is an outpost that is ws only and can affect a wh state but must be owned in the wh system to do so. There are a variety of ways to create a cost for this with mechanics that already exist in the mechanics for pos and outposts and others could be easily implemented. We would be getting several advantages in ws for this but still nothing compared to what an outpost does for the typical null alliance. I think its a reasonable way to grow ws capacity that is balanced. It also starts providing a middle ground for the small to medium operations that don't have or want hundreds to thousands of members just to operate out of hisec and so on.
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Blastil
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Posted - 2009.09.04 03:26:00 -
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Sov Ruined 0.0. Lets not ruin wormholes mkay?
No local, no sov == FUN.
I am an advocate of removing all sov from 0.0 and removing all local, un-nerfing scanning, and boosting probing. Give serious advantages to POS scanning systems and create more advanced covert operation ships, such as Dictors.
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Validen Persival
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Posted - 2009.09.14 18:25:00 -
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Yes I agree with the idea of making it have the same benefit of 0.0 space. You have all the disadvantages of it. Pirates can attack at any given moment so why not have the advantages? I agree Autobot. |
XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.14 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: XXSketchxx on 14/09/2009 18:31:43
Originally by: Validen Persival Yes I agree with the idea of making it have the same benefit of 0.0 space. You have all the disadvantages of it. Pirates can attack at any given moment so why not have the advantages? I agree Autobot.
Was the sole reason you necro'd this thread simply to agree with the op on a widely regarded ridiculous and stupid idea that the devs have already stated won't happen?
Good job Ace _____________________________________________
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2009.09.14 19:01:00 -
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What you get these days in a given wormhole is even more unpredictable than when they were first released. Often times now you'll find ones that are stripped bare, and only very rarely will you find C1,2, or 3 WH's that are untouched and unpopulated.
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Drykor
Minmatar Reikoku
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Posted - 2009.09.14 20:35:00 -
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Yeah, let's make a second 0.0!
Wait, no.
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Technovar
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.09.14 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer I think it would be very cool if sleepers started following people back out of wormhole systems.
Though I would not like losing a ship to it, it could be rather exciting that day when I undock and discover the station is under attack because some noob thought he could attack a sleeper site, and then after escaping runs back to k-space and tries to dock.
And it would be comical to see someone in a Domi venting plasma at the docking ring shouting "RUN!" in local whilst very large red crosses start appearing in the overview.
Even the noobs and carebears would love that.
I can imagine it now - "EVERYONE RUN, SLEEPER TRAIN TO 4-4!"
Now *this* is a truly beautiful dream.
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Celeritas 5k
Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.09.15 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer I think it would be very cool if sleepers started following people back out of wormhole systems.
Though I would not like losing a ship to it, it could be rather exciting that day when I undock and discover the station is under attack because some noob thought he could attack a sleeper site, and then after escaping runs back to k-space and tries to dock.
And it would be comical to see someone in a Domi venting plasma at the docking ring shouting "RUN!" in local whilst very large red crosses start appearing in the overview.
Even the noobs and carebears would love that.
I can imagine it now - "EVERYONE RUN, SLEEPER TRAIN TO 4-4!"
Hah! Could use this tactically, like the way they use the reavers towards the end of serenity...
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.15 02:45:00 -
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I'm still waiting for the inevitable space anomaly that "Temporarily" shuts of WH space from normal space.
By temporarily I mean a few months. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution. |
Ronucti
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Posted - 2009.09.15 03:56:00 -
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Ok not sov, just claim it i guess... Allow corporations to go in there with a few poses, miners, xlarge ship array to build that rorq, then use the wh as a permanent home and build t1-t3 in there own little area...
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.09.15 04:03:00 -
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No sov as simple as that if ccp want to add more 00 space more low sec more high sec and more wormhole space.
POSes abandoned in wh space should go offline and unanchored 6 weeks allowing othersw to come and claim and utilisie or remove
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Aethrwolf
Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers
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Posted - 2009.09.15 04:31:00 -
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Just thinking.. with newest dev blog on sov in Dominion mentioning the (at least slight) separation of outpost ownership and sov, a WH only outpost MAY be possible at least technically, doubt they would implement it for a while though. as for someone asking for reasons WHY we dont have sov in WH.. didnt CONCORD place WH off limits to everyone? I'm actually surprised everyone who uses a WH doesnt get a sec hit since we are actually breaking the law when we do. Anyway.. since concord doesnt want anyone in WH, and concord is the final arbitrator of sov.. no sov for WH space. ofc, I may have missed something in the news about concord changing their mind about the ban, so if I did simply ignore what I said.
now for the "idea" stage of the post. Eventually I hope to see items dropped by the highend sleeper sites that would allow someone to research a bpc for a sleeper outpost egg. My reasonong is that the reason sleepers dont currently attack POS' is that they dont scan for stuff, just wait for it to find THEM. An outpost shows up on the overview from everywhere in the system, so they would OFC immediately attack anything that didnt register to their onboard systems as "theirs". Absolutely everything is subjective. |
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