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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 03/09/2009 13:33:04
Originally by: Myyona
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
It still depends. HIsec plexing? lv4 will always be better. Lowsec? Its close call. 0.0? you are usually better off plexing here than doing missions (usually - i had bad days when 5x 6/10 + 2x 8/10 and 3 expeditions didnt drop ANYTHING).
Really? How many level 4 mission missions do you have to run to find a decryptor or deadspace module?
It is far too simply to compare any and all activities with what you can get from level 4 missions only. That was what Lord Haur was implying and that was what I responded to.
I agree that calling it FREE items might seem a bit misleading, but on the other hand the only important thing for me in EVE is to be entertained and any virtual item I acquire is just an added bonus (as in getting it for free).
1 mission for 1 or more decryptors (well maybe except for most expensive ones) which takes like 15 minutes? See its easy, you can compare almost everything to lv4 income.
Entertainment? Sure. If you run one two, hell five plexes. But after 10th or 20th it stops being entertainment and becomes normal grind. After 2 runs you already know how plex looks likes and what to expect to the only thing remaining is grind + crossing fingers for some loot. Where is the entertainment in this? Well unless you like repeating same thing all over again... but then arent lv4's exactly same thing?
@ sigari: i have no clue what you just said. Not everyone who is doing plexes is ex-wow farmer or something.
I see you are changing from free to not requiring isk from your wallet which is totally different (plus not entirely true, coz exploration ships cost too but thats neiglible).
Thing is: your OP was wrong. And thats what im pointing out and i WILL point out. Because you are misleading people (especially newcomers) into thinking that time = free. Time = money. Always did always will.
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Kva Plexcha
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:30:00 -
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OP I think most are taking exception to how you are presenting the perception of how easy this is, as opposed to the reality of the work required. That said I will always plex and never mission.
Personally, I think you can make the same money, if not more than missioning. If you find one Pithum C-Type MSB in 10 attemps that works out to 40 mil per plex, vs 40 mil per mission.(and this doesnt include the less than best faction drops, which can add up) Yes, missions can be run back to back, and you have to spend time finding a 4/10 plex, but if you know how to look for specific sites, you can scan thru 20-30 systems an hour. This greatly increases the chance of finding your specific site. For the most part I can tell if a system has the potential for the plex I want in the time it takes to go from one gate to the next.
Even the Guristas 6/10 will drop 40 mil in effects if it doesnt drop anything else, and for me only takes an hour to run. Deva put it best in another thread .." I'm a Plex *****"
Which is what I am too. If you plex with the hope of a jackpot, and not to specifically find a certain item, then its one of he best ways to play EVE.
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Myyona
Minmatar Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Myyona on 03/09/2009 13:33:14
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
1 mission for 1 or more decryptors (well maybe except for most expensive ones) which takes like 15 minutes? See its easy, you can compare almost everything to lv4 income.
Entertainment? Sure. If you run one two, hell five plexes. But after 10th or 20th it stops being entertainment and becomes normal grind. After 2 runs you already know how plex looks likes and what to expect to the only thing remaining is grind + crossing fingers for some loot. Where is the entertainment in this? Well unless you like repeating same thing all over again... but then arent lv4's exactly same thing?
@ sigari: i have no clue what you just said. Not everyone who is doing plexes is ex-wow farmer or something.
Wrong. You can not find decryptors in level 4 missions, no matter how many you run. Also, you can not buy them of NPCs with unlimited supplies so the isk you gain from your missioning will still not provide you with any decryptors. Your only source is other players who have been doing something else than running level 4 missions.
Ponder this: how many tech 2 and 3 ships would be produced if everybody were running level 4 missions?
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Myyona Edited by: Myyona on 03/09/2009 13:33:14
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
1 mission for 1 or more decryptors (well maybe except for most expensive ones) which takes like 15 minutes? See its easy, you can compare almost everything to lv4 income.
Entertainment? Sure. If you run one two, hell five plexes. But after 10th or 20th it stops being entertainment and becomes normal grind. After 2 runs you already know how plex looks likes and what to expect to the only thing remaining is grind + crossing fingers for some loot. Where is the entertainment in this? Well unless you like repeating same thing all over again... but then arent lv4's exactly same thing?
@ sigari: i have no clue what you just said. Not everyone who is doing plexes is ex-wow farmer or something.
Wrong. You can not find decryptors in level 4 missions, no matter how many you run. Also, you can not buy them of NPCs with unlimited supplies so the isk you gain from your missioning will still not provide you with any decryptors. Your only source is other players who have been doing something else than running level 4 missions.
Ponder this: how many tech 2 and 3 ships would be produced if everybody were running level 4 missions?
And you still dont get it, do you? You want to put invention job today. In 60 minutes (going to sleep, visiting grandma whatever - 60 minutes is all you can get). All you need is decryptor but you have 0 isk and no decryptors. Would you run some mission(s) and buy decryptor? Or start scanning for it?
And thats my point. If you are hunting for PARTICULAR item its much easier/faster/whatever to buy it. If you are doing stuff long term/for fun/whatever - you "might" get it eventually. What im pointing out is difference between "guaranteed" reward and "possible" reward. OP sounds as if reward was guaranteed but its not. its random. Like someone said - you might spend half a year and never find module/decryptor/whatever you are searching for.
And tbh im living example of this. It took me around 200 (yes, TWO HUNDREADS) of 8/10 guristas plex runs to find rattlesnake BPC. And no i didnt get it from 8/10 in the end - it dropped from random DG battleship. Yet the guy next to me ran 8/10 5 times. Got 2x rattlesnake BPC. Should i continue to run 8/10 for rattler? Or just screw it, sell loot and buy it off him?
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kva Plexcha
Even the Guristas 6/10 will drop 40 mil in effects if it doesnt drop anything else, and for me only takes an hour to run. Deva put it best in another thread .." I'm a Plex *****"
Which is what I am too. If you plex with the hope of a jackpot, and not to specifically find a certain item, then its one of he best ways to play EVE.
ran around 150 of those. never saw pithum med booster. saw only 2x pithum magnetic scattering. So yeah im unlucky one.
And it seems someone at least understood what im talking about.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:43:00 -
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And here I was thinking this was going to be about taking a noob ship equipped with a passive targeter and a ship scanner out to level 4 mission hubs, finding a pimped out mission runner, and bringing in a bunch of platinum-insurance-covered Gankageddons to "reallocate" the faction modules. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari Free Spirits
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:44:00 -
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Hi-sec plexing can yield 1.6 Billion isk/hour... when lady luck looks around the corner.
how?
4/10 plex, aggro everything kill em off with drones and pew pew, jump to second pocket, aggro all and while the drones kill the frigs/cruisers you shoot the structure that drops the loot... 15 minutes tops and you 'can' be awarded by a nice shield booster worth 400 million... extrapolate this to isk/hour is 1.6 billion.... (400x4) ...
when lady luck is really really shining on you that day, the plex re-spawns only 1 jump away from you and drops the same item at the end....
On a serious note...
I agree with the OP that finding things yourself is a reward on its own in the sence of having accomplished something, compared to L4 missioning (which i do now to repair some sec-status loss and training up a support alt in the meantime) which, as everyone says in the forums here is p1ss-easy, dont give the achievement feeling (maybe only the first time)
In eve personally i like to find things myself, if i need a ship, i build it myself, if i need ammo, i build it myself... materials i collect during gameplay and reprocessing t1 modules or drone loot... this all makes the road to certain things considerably longer compared to buy it off the market (i do buy the general stuff from market as anyone else), but the sence of accomplishment when you click on the 'deliver' button when a manufacture job is completed, or the opening of a cargo container in a plex and see what's inside makes it more compelling...
Although expert might be a bit presumptuous, the guide itself is readable and understandable for new exploreres and all.
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Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari Free Spirits
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin DeVries And here I was thinking this was going to be about taking a noob ship equipped with a passive targeter and a ship scanner out to level 4 mission hubs, finding a pimped out mission runner, and bringing in a bunch of platinum-insurance-covered Gankageddons to "reallocate" the faction modules.
Think you covers the basics of a new guide allready gavin
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Myyona
Minmatar Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
And thats my point. If you are hunting for PARTICULAR item its much easier/faster/whatever to buy it.
So who are you buying from? People running level 4 missions?
Because your advice/point seems to be that running level 4 missions is the only certain way of acquiring any PARTICULAR item that you want, as such everybody should do that activity or they are wasting their time.
--- Nobody can do everything, but everybody can do nothing |
Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.09.03 14:03:00 -
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Actually, that wasn't his advice. His advice was that, if you want a particular item, you should spend time doing whatever gets you the item the fastest. In most cases, that means doing whatever makes you the most money per unit of time, and use that money to buy the item in question. Assume you really want that 2 billion ISK module. The odds are it will take you less time to acculate 2 billion ISK than it will to explore and find that module. Even if exploration is your thing, explore and get what you find, sell those, and use the money to buy the thing you didn't find. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.03 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Myyona
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
And thats my point. If you are hunting for PARTICULAR item its much easier/faster/whatever to buy it.
So who are you buying from? People running level 4 missions?
Because your advice/point seems to be that running level 4 missions is the only certain way of acquiring any PARTICULAR item that you want, as such everybody should do that activity or they are wasting their time.
Im not searching for particular items when i plex. I just search for anything that gets changed to isk. the isk comes from lv4 runners. See?
And actually - i DO have one ship that im fitting according to Sigari's guidelines - my nightmare. After 5 months i already have it fitted with following modules:
4x megapulse 2 1x dg invulni, 1x pith atype amp, 5x nothing 4x an heatsinks
the 5x nothing is the modules i was "hunting" for. another dg invulni, pith atype xlarge etc. ETA till ship will be operational? With my luck on atype mods i guess a year more or so. Ofc i could use my isk i got from plexing and buy it, but i will listen to op. I hope he will be still playing when i finish it so we can ride together !...
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g0ggalor
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Posted - 2009.09.03 14:24:00 -
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Nothing is for free in EVE. Time is money and as has been pointed out before, if you wanted a medium pith a-type, you would get it a lot faster running L4s and going to contracts.
What you do have, however, is a nice little guide on faction mod faucets. If you are looking for something specific, this isnt' the guide for you. If you are simply looking to go into the faction mod selling business, this is a very nice guide.
In any case, you still don't get anything for free.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.09.03 16:05:00 -
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Again this "do level 4 missions to have it all and fast or die".
They should really nerf them so the other many game features would be touched at all. - Auditing and consulting
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5nipe
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Posted - 2009.09.03 16:14:00 -
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running plexes can be very entertaining and revarding occupation. you dont need any lvl 4 agent to find and run them, they are all over the universe. And you get a lot of ISK by hacking radars along the lines.
The only thing you need is good prober, othervise you find yourself frustrating to nail down complexes quickly enought.
And to get decent prober will require some "nice little investment".
In terms of ISKs and SPs.
ya, it is real fun to jump into the system and in 5 minutes to know names of all 6-7 signatures or be able to use dead spaces probes in huge 0.0
so, if you calculate everything like 4-5 month skills trainings (4-5 PLEXes), full set of implantants - roughthly 2 bil, cover ops, sisters launcher, rigs and sisters probes for change.
do you see where I am driving too?
it is not damn free unless you want to spend hours and hours with probes.
on final note, dont hunt for something particular. the same structure can drop few different items.
sell what you founded, buy what you need and have fun.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.09.03 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Again this "do level 4 missions to have it all and fast or die".
They should really nerf them so the other many game features would be touched at all.
damming the isk river (isk faucet is a terrible understatement) can have very strong unintended consequences down stream.
and many other game features are touched: see people commenting on the competitiveness of highsec exploration, look at the scanner there are many invention/research posses in empire, the last QEN dev blog about invention, complaining about no roid belts with roids in highsec, tech3 prices are coming down, plenty of deadspace/officer mods so people are ratting/exploring in 0.0.
level 4s aren't the only thing to do in eve, they are just one of the easiest things to get into, AND they scale easily with the number of people in the area. if there were some game features that could support the number of players that level 4s support I would be all for it.
and the richest people I know in game aren't level 4 mission *****s.
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Kilguren
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Posted - 2009.09.03 17:37:00 -
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Give it a rest people.
Anyone whit half a brain can figure out what the OP is saying. You're quibbling over semantics.
For many, like myself, the value of finding something yourself is often more than the time invested to do so. If you don't feel that way, noone is forcing you to plex to get the item you want. Mission to your hearts content and buy it.
I appreciate the OP's post and applaud it!
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.03 18:11:00 -
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**** the naysayers.
Clearly the subject of the post is to be clever enough to get people to click on it. The meat of the subject is great advice. Thanks for the guide, Siigari!
The next time I'm bored from farming The Blockade ad infinitum (Running missions is lucrative. It's also more boring than watching a narcoleptic sloth race), I think I'll go poke around a plex or two.
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Cardiana
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Posted - 2009.09.03 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Cardiana on 03/09/2009 18:55:30 thumbs up for this post
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Kva Plexcha
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Posted - 2009.09.03 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Kva Plexcha
Even the Guristas 6/10 will drop 40 mil in effects if it doesnt drop anything else, and for me only takes an hour to run. Deva put it best in another thread .." I'm a Plex *****"
Which is what I am too. If you plex with the hope of a jackpot, and not to specifically find a certain item, then its one of he best ways to play EVE.
ran around 150 of those. never saw pithum med booster. saw only 2x pithum magnetic scattering. So yeah im unlucky one.
And it seems someone at least understood what im talking about.
Umm I guess I shouldn't tell you then I ran it twice in 2 hrs and got 2 boosters plus 3 hardeners ... and I guess its probably gonna be a long time before I see another one ...
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FOl2TY8
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.09.03 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Seriously Bored It's also more boring than watching a narcoleptic sloth race
I don't know what you're smoking but I would find this hilarious. In fact maybe you should smoke what I smoke.
Also thanks for the OP Siig, one question. Is there a better site regarding the content of plex's? I'm thinking something similar to eve-survival. The one you listed in the OP isn't very good (imo). ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.09.03 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: FOl2TY8
Originally by: Seriously Bored It's also more boring than watching a narcoleptic sloth race
I don't know what you're smoking but I would find this hilarious. In fact maybe you should smoke what I smoke.
Also thanks for the OP Siig, one question. Is there a better site regarding the content of plex's? I'm thinking something similar to eve-survival. The one you listed in the OP isn't very good (imo).
Sadly, no.
D-Nightmare's old exploration site used to be king, but it no longer exists.
Sadly, I have not found a universally comprehensive guide on 'all sites' only some regionals. Not that those are bad, but to compile them all together on one site would be much more worthwhile as a database.
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Radgette
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Posted - 2009.09.03 21:40:00 -
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i'm pretty new to this exploration thing and i've only gotten faction ammo and some OPE's so far from 3/10's ( not found anything higher yet ) but from what i can see so far theres a certain bias to being in caldari space for hisec atleast, and well i'm KOS in amarr so is there anything decent in min or gallente space ?
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.03 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 03/09/2009 21:52:31
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: FOl2TY8
Originally by: Seriously Bored It's also more boring than watching a narcoleptic sloth race
I don't know what you're smoking but I would find this hilarious. In fact maybe you should smoke what I smoke.
Also thanks for the OP Siig, one question. Is there a better site regarding the content of plex's? I'm thinking something similar to eve-survival. The one you listed in the OP isn't very good (imo).
Sadly, no.
D-Nightmare's old exploration site used to be king, but it no longer exists.
Sadly, I have not found a universally comprehensive guide on 'all sites' only some regionals. Not that those are bad, but to compile them all together on one site would be much more worthwhile as a database.
Afaik EVE-wiki has quite a few of complexes mapped.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Exploration
EDIT: nvm, it was linked already. except for that goon forums have some decent walkthrus but getting to them is tad harder (spy accounts 4tw).
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.09.04 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Again this "do level 4 missions to have it all and fast or die".
They should really nerf them so the other many game features would be touched at all.
EVE is multiplayer sandbox with 'free market'. If exploration rewards are 'too low' then it means that too many people are doing that, as most of your rewards are market items you can sell to other people. Ie supply of those items is high enough to keep the price down.
If you are unhappy with it you are free to switch to level 4 or to 0.0 ratting. If enough people do that supply of exploration items will fall and their prices will increase until they are on the same level as other more attractive ways of making isk.
Calls to nerf this or boost that are just complaints of people wanting devs to crater their particular preferred playstyle. Same as pirates complaining about lack of soft targets in low sec (there is targets in there, but they tend to shoot back) or small corporations complaining about 'blobs' in zerozero. Granted there is some issues in there that could be better but general statements about nerfing or boosting do not adress those issues.
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Higgs Foton
Scoopex Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.04 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: g0ggalor Nothing is for free in EVE. Time is money and as has been pointed out before, if you wanted a medium pith a-type, you would get it a lot faster running L4s and going to contracts.
What you do have, however, is a nice little guide on faction mod faucets. If you are looking for something specific, this isnt' the guide for you. If you are simply looking to go into the faction mod selling business, this is a very nice guide.
In any case, you still don't get anything for free.
If you want a medium pith a-type you would get it even faster if you plex in null-sec and buy it from contracts. I have found plexing to be highly lucrative. If i take all time i spend on it (scanning, flying around, doing the actual plex, flying to Jita to sell stuffies) i think it rakes in about 100-150 mill isk an hour. Yes, its random, but in 50% of the plexes you find, you will find somethin sellable, and reasonable often you will find something good. I have found the rattlesnake bpc in the 8/10 plex on the first i did, and on two times i got the medium shieldbooster from the 6/10 plex. One escalation path i found (escalated only two times) netted me 1.5 billion alone in faction mods and implants.
One thing i find higly amusing is that the customers who buy my faction items are generally empire mission runners who run poorly paid lvl4 missions in completely pimped out faction ships, while i make about 4 times as much money flying around in an half T1 and T2 fitted HAC. Well, i guess thats the price you pay for not wanting to take risks i guess. ___________________________________
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