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HautMonde
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Posted - 2009.09.03 01:07:00 -
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I read a little about the anti pirate CVA alliance and I have a couple of questions that hopefully someone here can answer.
This is a post asking for information, not a post whining about ninja salvagers.
The recent salvage thieves in hi sec are pretty much ruining my mission running experience. I am pretty close to canceling my accounts on Eve because they are putting a serious damper on the enjoyment value. I say recent because I have have never had a problem with it until recently.
I read the wiki on CVA and I am wondering if their space has all the things that hisec has? Are there good agents there for mission runners? It seems that, here in hisec, if you want to keep them from stealing your salvage, you are the one who gets killed by Concord. This is hisec for crying out loud (no pun intended).
Can someone point me to some additional info on the CVA controlled anti pirate space? The wiki and their website was very good but it left me with some unanswered questions. At least out there, I can defend, or attempt to defend, my property without the hisec police killing me instead of the thief.
It seems to me that I have limited options. 1)Get killed by the police for shooting at the thief who is stealing from me. 2)Find a place in Eve that will allow me to protect myself and my belongings. 3)Cancel my subscriptions to Eve and play a different game.
Taking up another career isn't really an option for me because I have indulged in a number of them and suck at most of them.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.03 01:39:00 -
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CVA has a NRDS policy, but it's 0.0 space. There are no police, other than CVA members.
Anyone can travel there and unless you have a red flag against your name, you won't be shot up by CVA. So as a non-CVA pilot, looking for targets, you can waltz in, fly around, look for a juicy target, shoot them up, look for another target, shoot them up, rinse and repeat. Eventually someone in CVA will send you or your CEO a little note saying because of your hostile actions, you've been set red and will be shot by CVA members. Even that isn't such a bad thing, because there's plenty of scope to either shoot back or avoid them.
So if you're worried about high-sec ninja salvage in high sec, you are NOT ready for CVA space. ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University.
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Janice Jankowski
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Posted - 2009.09.03 01:42:00 -
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There are no missions in CVA space.
Have you tried doing missions for another agent in hisec? Maybe teh ninja salvagers are just in the system you're in a lot
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.09.03 01:55:00 -
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Scanning complexes and Wormholes are a lot more fun than Missions, maybe try them for a while.
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Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.09.03 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Izztyrr Maemtor on 03/09/2009 02:11:33
Originally by: HautMonde I am pretty close to canceling my accounts on Eve
can haz ur stuff?
Edit: When I first dipped my toes in to 0.0 space it was in Providence. I think the CVA folks are cool. You can't do missions but you can go ratting.
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Micia
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.03 02:34:00 -
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I dunno if you're ready for 0.0 shenanigans, if hi-sec salvage thieves have you worked up enough to quit.
If you do decide to head on down to Providence, and you see me or one of my alliance pilots - run.
Just savin' you some anguish in advance.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2009.09.03 02:53:00 -
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It's 0.0 space, so if there are any agents, they're allied with the (npc) pirate factions, and if you've done any missions in Empire or if you've ratted in belts, it's likely you don't have the required standings to even talk to them.
0.0 space has mediocre to good rats; going from belt to belt you find cruiser and battleship groups with loot and bounty rewards similar to or better than doing L3-L4 missions. You can also probe for exploration sites, or try to mine some of the higher-level ores.
There is no Concord, and the space is (or is not) defended by the local alliance. CVA has a NRDS policy, which means they won't blindly shoot you as soon as you enter their space, but they are not obligated to defend you. And there are roaming gangs of pirates, roaming gangs of their enemies, or just roaming gangs of PVP'ers (who may happen to be blue/friendly to CVA and still attack you).
For selling your loot or minerals, you have two options: try to use the local markets that CVA people have established (which I hear are decent), or try to haul your stuff to Empire, up the pipes. The pipes are generally camped, as they pass through several low-sec (pirate) systems, so your hauler may not make it to high-sec.
Not all solar systems have stations you can dock at. If there is an outpost, you can probably dock at it, paying a docking tax (which isn't too bad and is based on ship size). If there isn't, CVA people can retreat to the safety of a POS if there are enemies in the system; your only option will be your safe spots (which can be probed).
I'm not sure what their rules are about exploiting the space. Most alliances have rules along the lines of "If an alliance member wants to rat there and tells a neutral (you) to get out, you have to get out; it's their space."
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Steel Wraith
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Posted - 2009.09.03 04:13:00 -
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Micia I have a question for you:
Does Ushra'khan target all neutrals found in CVA space? Even Minmatar? Especially Minmatar?
I'm not operating out of CVA space but I ask mostly for my own situational awareness.
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HautMonde
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Posted - 2009.09.03 04:22:00 -
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Thanks to all of you for the feedback.
I suppose I will pack up and relocate for the 3rd time in about 5 days. It is hard to leave the really good agents after building the standings and getting to know the areas and collecting all of my junk that I just can't seem to part with.
After reading these replies, CVA territory may not be my best bet. The wormhole and complex stuff sounds OK but, from what I have heard, they (WH's) are frequented by roaming gangs looking to do the same thing as the hisec salvagers only with a bit more persuasion. And when I tried the plexes while doing a batch of the COSMOS missions, they were chock full of farmers. Those are the 'plexes' you are referring to, right?
I spent a lot of time fine tuning my mission running skills and standings and zero time on my pvp skills. It is a bit frustrating to have to keep packing up and moving because others want a free ride or some risk free pvp practice at my expense. Pretty soon there won't be any place left worth running missions in.
I'm going to go cry in my beer now.
Can you sell a character (or a group of characters) with already set standings, implants, bad habits, etc...?
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Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.09.03 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: HautMonde I'm going to go cry in my beer now.
Dude, I got a better idea. Just get over the salvage thing. It doesn't belong to you anyway.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.09.03 05:18:00 -
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CVA couldn't catch a cold And did you know that this is in fact Surfin's Plunderbunny's forum alt? It's official! |
Renarla
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Posted - 2009.09.03 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: HautMonde Thanks to all of you for the feedback.
I suppose I will pack up and relocate for the 3rd time in about 5 days. It is hard to leave the really good agents after building the standings and getting to know the areas and collecting all of my junk that I just can't seem to part with.
After reading these replies, CVA territory may not be my best bet. The wormhole and complex stuff sounds OK but, from what I have heard, they (WH's) are frequented by roaming gangs looking to do the same thing as the hisec salvagers only with a bit more persuasion. And when I tried the plexes while doing a batch of the COSMOS missions, they were chock full of farmers. Those are the 'plexes' you are referring to, right?
I spent a lot of time fine tuning my mission running skills and standings and zero time on my pvp skills. It is a bit frustrating to have to keep packing up and moving because others want a free ride or some risk free pvp practice at my expense. Pretty soon there won't be any place left worth running missions in.
I'm going to go cry in my beer now.
Can you sell a character (or a group of characters) with already set standings, implants, bad habits, etc...?
It sounds to me like EVE is not the kind of game for you if you enjoy mission running so much and despite even the slightest hint of PVP as much as you lead on. If all you plan on ever doing is mission running you'll hit that certain point of pimped CNR / Golem that makes you juicy enough to suicide gank and you'll more than likely /ragequit. However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs. |
Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.09.03 05:36:00 -
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CVA also "runs" the southernmost part of Domain, which DOES have agents. You have plenty of agents in Mamet (4 Lvl 4Q20), Ziriert and Hoshoun that can all be run for. It's an area rather saturated with "blues" so you'd be safer than running missions in regular low sec. But I can guarantee you that there's no salvage thieves down there :D
If anyone is gonna hop into your missionpocket, it's gonna be pirates that are after your SHIP, not your salvage. But keep your wits about you and watch the intel channel, get prepared for low sec missioning (read up on it, watch local, get AWAY (preferrably 70 km + ) from the warp in point etc etc) and you'll do fine. The LP and ISK rewards really are stupendous in low sec.
I'm looking forward to seeing you there. If you need any help or advice, don't hesitate to contact me in game. I'll help you regardless of if you want to stay in high sec or come down to the real parts of space ;) ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a game of adaptation and planning. Adapt or die. |
Micia
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.03 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Steel Wraith Micia I have a question for you:
Does Ushra'khan target all neutrals found in CVA space? Even Minmatar? Especially Minmatar?
I'm not operating out of CVA space but I ask mostly for my own situational awareness.
In Providence (and Catch), we will attack anyone who is not blue - so yes, neutral pilots are often greeted with a torpedo up the tailpipe.
In our roleplay view, neutral pilots in Providence space are essentially collaborators in the "Reclaiming", by paying taxes and fees to a slaver-alliance (by using outpost services - it generates income). That started with our "Burn, Providence, Burn!" campaign a few years back, which expanded to Catch a bit later when it was time for their allies to start paying the piper.
That's the brief rationale/story, anyway.
In all other Regions, we are NRDS.
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Should we fall before the dawn, Say this at our pyre, "They died Matari warriors, Their faces to the fire." |
Taradis
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.03 08:22:00 -
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Don't shoot at CVA or other provi alliances and you should be good unless your on a KOS list. Play nice with the locals and abide by the rules.
No agents unfortunatley but the ratting is fairly decent
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2009.09.03 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: HautMonde
I suppose I will pack up and relocate for the 3rd time in about 5 days. It is hard to leave the really good agents after building the standings and getting to know the areas and collecting all of my junk that I just can't seem to part with.
Or you could accept the fact that salvage is the icing on the cake, and "struggle by" on bounties and mission rewards and what salvage you do manage to get for yourself. The problem you actually have is that the current situation is the way CCP meant it to be, with Salvaging being a mini-profession, and that, unfortunately, you've gotten used to an anomalous situation which has now corrected itself.
Or maybe you could talk a Corpmate into coming along in a salvage boat and hoovering up after you, and split the salvage profits?
Quote: Pretty soon there won't be any place left worth running missions in.
I know hyperbole when I see it, but for those who don't: this is an exaggeration. L4 missions are still well worth running for ISK even if you abandon all the wrecks. They're just not as obscenely profitable as they are if you manage to recover all the salvage for yourself.
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Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.03 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Wa''roun on 03/09/2009 09:47:39 or you shoot the wrecks as they fly to them. They go away after that.
Depending on their ship and the rats present, you can warp out too. This is especially good if you are doing that L4 mission full of Angel small ships with high dps and a salvage ship comes in (like a destroyer). You warp out and they will never come back in while you do it. Another fun mission is the third step of recon, with the gas cloud. Watch unsuspecting salvagers go pop (especially if you are doing L4). Join channel: "Eve University" or read here |
Marus Sulla
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.03 16:57:00 -
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I'm sure Garreck and the lads and lasses of CVA would love to have agents of the empire based in Provi outposts.
Come down, I hear people on all sides are having fun.
Marus
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FOl2TY8
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.09.03 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: HautMonde
It seems to me that I have limited options. 1)Get killed by the police for shooting at the thief who is stealing from me. 2)Find a place in Eve that will allow me to protect myself and my belongings. 3)Cancel my subscriptions to Eve and play a different game.
Taking up another career isn't really an option for me because I have indulged in a number of them and suck at most of them.
Good luck in Providence man. Sure CVA and the rest of the holders have a large presence there but you are still guaranteed to get into a fight at some point. What will be different from getting blown up in empire is that you will most likely also lose your pod. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.09.03 20:06:00 -
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CVA space is full of pirates and people willing to shoot you and most of them are CVA themselves Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.03 20:31:00 -
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I must be doing something wrong. I've never run into a salvage ninja. I'm even doing level 4 missions. I just salvage as I shoot.
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Olaf Isoherranen
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Posted - 2009.09.03 20:43:00 -
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There are two more options you're ignoring.
1) Go run missions in another system. I've never seen a ninja salvager on a single of my mission runs, and I've done plenty.
2) Shoot the wrecks before they can salvage them. Eventually they will go somewhere else.
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Pan Dora
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.09.04 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander I must be doing something wrong. I've never run into a salvage ninja. I'm even doing level 4 missions. I just salvage as I shoot.
I must be doing even worse, since I salvage after the mission.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.04 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Olaf Isoherranen
1) Go run missions in another system. I've never seen a ninja salvager on a single of my mission runs, and I've done plenty.
When I said on the forums I'd never been war-decced, I got war-decced a day or two later, so I'd never publicly say this, even if it was true ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.09.04 03:09:00 -
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You're right OP. With us ninjas, hisec missionrunning just isn't worthwhile. You should take up hisec mining or exploration to really rake in the ISK.
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