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Discrodia
Gallente SCUM. ACADEMY SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.09.04 03:56:00 -
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Okay CCP, I admit it. After around 18 months of playing I finally have a problem with your game. And the problem I have involves security status.
After charitably offering my corpmates assistance on their gatecamp with my Deimos, I proceeded to assist in 4 kills, 2 involving pods. Only to my dismay a few minutes later did I learn I had been banned from nearly ALL of hisec in exchange for a few hours of fun and copious swearing. I think, above all else, this doesn't fit with your risk-reward mechanic. And here's why: #1: Loot is absoloute pants except on the best of days #2: You hafta risk other pirates, aggressive victims, and your gangmates (if you miss a point) #3: You are penalized for disproportionatly long periods of time, in my case the general estimate is a month of constant missioning (L3's) before I can grace the corridors of Jita safely once more.
I ask of you CCP, is this fair? In my opinion, security status losses should either be reduced, or have the bonuses to sec status from killing pirates apply every time a pirate is killed, not just from the biggest one you killed in 15 minutes.
Discuss / Fire away. ___________________________________________
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.09.04 03:59:00 -
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In before "L2Pirate noob".
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James Malice
Gallente Legion Of Mad Cats
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Posted - 2009.09.04 04:01:00 -
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Or you can pirate in 0.0, where there is no sec hit.
Problem solved. :) Clear Skies 1 - Awesome Clear Skies 2 - Amazing Clear Skies 3 - It's gonna be epic biatches |
something somethingdark
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Posted - 2009.09.04 04:03:00 -
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lrn2pirate
in after lrn2pirate
also if you been playing 19 months and only now found a problem with this game your sum total playing time most likely ammounts to 2 1/4 hours
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Discrodia
Gallente SCUM. ACADEMY SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.09.04 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: something somethingdark lrn2pirate
in after lrn2pirate
also if you been playing 19 months and only now found a problem with this game your sum total playing time most likely ammounts to 2 1/4 hours
Okay, correction: Something that's a problem that actually makes me angry. ___________________________________________
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.04 04:06:00 -
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1: most pirates make a living off carebear tears. Seriously.
2: your gang just has to be bigger than their gang. problem solved.
3: rat while not pirating. Recently, pirates got NPC BATTLESHIPS in lowsec belts. Tell me thats not a pirating boost.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.09.04 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter 1: most pirates make a living off carebear tears. Seriously.
2: your gang just has to be bigger than their gang. problem solved.
3: rat while not pirating. Recently, pirates got NPC BATTLESHIPS in lowsec belts. Tell me thats not a pirating boost.
yet lowsec retains its reputation as being lowsec.
maybe a part pirate boost, but hardly a professional pirate boost. (nothing to do with their skill but that they make most if not all of their income from pirating)
and complaining about a few missions/hours ratting to repair the sec status hit for murder
although I guess that is murder the wrong person (pod pilot and/or their crew) you have to murder thousands of "undesirables" (npc pirates) to get back in good standing.
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Orthaen
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Posted - 2009.09.04 04:35:00 -
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lrn2pirate, I guess. The word you're looking at is PIRATE. Outlaw? Murderous bastard? It isn't some broken game mechanic that unscrupulous, raping and pillaging space vikings aren't allowed in the nice park-and-tree filled suburbs of the universe. Murder makes you a bad guy, it isn't supposed to be easy to go back to being a good guy. Nothing in the game forces you into hi sec, so don't go into hi sec. Sure, goods are cheaper there, but thats because the mean pillaging pirates can't kill all the haulers trying to sell goods in hi sec. Or just use an alt, like everyone else.
Waves, and enjoy your pirating
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Lucas Tigh
United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.09.04 04:51:00 -
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Most "professional" pirates have a neutral alt that they use for all their empire shopping needs. Not really a new concept. -------------------------------------
CCP, make me a winner.
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Sadayiel
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.04 04:57:00 -
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ur pirating so THIS all you need -------------------------------------- You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here. |
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.09.04 05:00:00 -
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I know it's a real shocker, but civilized societies don't like murderous bastards walking around freely. --Vel
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wickedpheonix
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2009.09.04 05:02:00 -
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I'm not even a pirate and I'm still going to say "learn2pirate!" Seriously, you're complaining that you got a sec hit and that you're banned from Empire until you pay your debt to society (i.e. bringing pirate scalps to Concord)? What were you expecting??
Also dunno why you'd go back to high sec except for shopping and you can get an alt to do that as mentioned above.
Also train Fast Talk up.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.09.04 05:14:00 -
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Don't pod then.
Its actually a blessing. Outlaw PvP is probably as fun as lowsec gets and highsec is boring.
As for ships and ISK, see what your corp has to offer to assist you. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.09.04 05:14:00 -
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Wow, I hope this is a troll
1) People who pew a lot in lowsec are supposed to be locked out of hisec. If you don't want that, go to 0.0. That's what it's there for. Also, running missions is a horrible way to raise sec status
2) You're not a pirate. You're a ganker. Pirates don't just randomly engage ****, pirates engage what they think could give a good return with minimal risk of loss, and ransom when appropriate (though it is not always appropriate). Your goal is not to make money from PVP, your goal is to run around and blow **** up. Which is fine, just don't ***** when you don't become rich off it.
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Daplat Mode
Caldari Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.09.04 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Also, running missions is a horrible way to be a pirate
Fixed that for you. Now get back to salvaging stuff in highsec.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Novus Auctorita
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Posted - 2009.09.04 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia I proceeded to assist in 4 kills, 2 involving pods.
Your problem right there. I know its a missed km, but just don't lock pods. Ship kills are pretty mild on the sec hit compared to pods.
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Grek Forto
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Posted - 2009.09.04 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Discrodia I proceeded to assist in 4 kills, 2 involving pods.
Your problem right there. I know its a missed km, but just don't lock pods. Ship kills are pretty mild on the sec hit compared to pods.
But....but they go squish!
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.04 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia Okay CCP, I admit it. After around 18 months of playing I finally have a problem with your game. And the problem I have involves security status.
After charitably offering my corpmates assistance on their gatecamp with my Deimos, I proceeded to assist in 4 kills, 2 involving pods. Only to my dismay a few minutes later did I learn I had been banned from nearly ALL of hisec in exchange for a few hours of fun and copious swearing. I think, above all else, this doesn't fit with your risk-reward mechanic. And here's why: #1: Loot is absoloute pants except on the best of days #2: You hafta risk other pirates, aggressive victims, and your gangmates (if you miss a point) #3: You are penalized for disproportionatly long periods of time, in my case the general estimate is a month of constant missioning (L3's) before I can grace the corridors of Jita safely once more.
I ask of you CCP, is this fair? In my opinion, security status losses should either be reduced, or have the bonuses to sec status from killing pirates apply every time a pirate is killed, not just from the biggest one you killed in 15 minutes.
Discuss / Fire away.
You are a carebear. You sit there and wait for weaker ships that you kill in a gang, you have no risk yourself. You probably even have a scout on the other side of the gate and will warp away if you see local spike.
After having pirate-carebeared like this for a while, you like to go back to Jita and continue with other carebear activites. Now you even don't want to kill some rats and repair your sec status. Means your not just a carebear, but you are a lazy carebear. How can you ask for sympathy ? With the level of risk you are taking, you shouldn't even mentioned the word "risk-reward", since you deserve NO reward at all.
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.09.04 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Tigh Most "professional" pirates have a neutral alt that they use for all their empire shopping needs. Not really a new concept.
Two 800K SP alts (one which can fly a cargo frig, and one which can set up a bunch of contracts/trade orders), plus a friend or a corpmate which can haul ships for you is all you need. You do need those two alts, though.
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 07:40:00 -
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pirates are basically annoying every one but themselve ingamge. they don't need a buff since it doesn't add anything positively motivating to the players, would just add even more annoyance and frustration.. ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Manu Hermanus
Originally by: Lance Fighter 1: most pirates make a living off carebear tears. Seriously.
2: your gang just has to be bigger than their gang. problem solved.
3: rat while not pirating. Recently, pirates got NPC BATTLESHIPS in lowsec belts. Tell me thats not a pirating boost.
yet lowsec retains its reputation as being lowsec.
maybe a part pirate boost, but hardly a professional pirate boost. (nothing to do with their skill but that they make most if not all of their income from pirating)
and complaining about a few missions/hours ratting to repair the sec status hit for murder
although I guess that is murder the wrong person (pod pilot and/or their crew) you have to murder thousands of "undesirables" (npc pirates) to get back in good standing.
you do realise that piracy is "illegal" and that's why it should actually be harder. the amount of pirates in lowsec is laughable, concord should have patrols moving around destroying any pirate they encounter. if you want too be a pirate you should be a PIRATE and thereby treated as one by the law "concord". that you can even dock without losing everything you own is a joke, if you really want to have pirates that is :P ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Jones Bones
Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.09.04 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars pirates are basically annoying every one but themselve ingamge. they don't need a buff since it doesn't add anything positively motivating to the players, would just add even more annoyance and frustration..
Not quite enough to bathe in, but I shall wash my face. =================== Go Bucks! |
Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:28:00 -
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So there is consequence to your actions? Hmmmm... sounds like "working as intended"
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:30:00 -
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hi cat here
well tbh i hope you have learned your lesson lol pirates are very bad and it is not nice to disrupt some innocent travelleers journeys. i hope you are very sorry for doing bad deeds.
ps: have you heard about my pirate rehabilitation service?
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Yay! Six months of defending! \o/ <3 to Abrazzar! |
Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia ...I ask of you CCP, is this fair? In my opinion, security status losses should either be reduced, or have the bonuses to sec status from killing pirates apply every time a pirate is killed, not just from the biggest one you killed in 15 minutes.
Discuss / Fire away.
In short, you're complaining that your actions have signifiant consequences.
Being pirate is a career choice, not something to do to fill a bored afternoon. ------------------------------------------
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:07:00 -
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There was a wonderful time when pirates reveled in their -10 status. What happened to that?
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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ollobrains
5th Front enterprises CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:11:00 -
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im a wormhole pirate, see the only problem is no sec status issues here but ccp in apoc 1.5 dumbed down wormholes making them mroe likley to be high sec - womrhole sys - high sec rather than high sec - wormhole system - low sec or high sec womrhole system null sec.
SO now all i get are links back to high sec and no pvp encounters in random 00 systems ( is this because of uber allinace blob whining about neuts getting in past their front lines and harrasing their miners ?)
If so shame on u ccp
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Grunanca
Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars pirates are basically annoying every one but themselve ingamge. they don't need a buff since it doesn't add anything positively motivating to the players, would just add even more annoyance and frustration..
What would people do if they didnt have you to tell what they think? People would actually have to make up their own mind.
Clearly you have only been on the recieving end, prob because you are lazy and dont look for guides etc on how to survive. I can reveal for you that the faction fleets are not very often of equal size and therefore it often ends up with no battles being fought between them. Guess who brings the fun (battles) to the faction blobs when they cant find each other... Also in you opinion, what is the difference between pirates in low sec (in this case camping at gate which *gosh* for the good corps is only a fraction of the pvp they do) and a huge 0.0 alliance camping a gate? The pirates have to tank sentry guns, they have to special fit cruisers because they cant have interceptors sitting ready to tackle. If they want your pod they need to fit smartbombs instead of just dropping a bubble.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:35:00 -
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Being a pirate, and being a successful pirate are two different things.
The first one doesn't require much else other than engaging anyone in low-sec, anywhere and hoping for good loot (essentially playing the lottery).
The second one requires a strategy, and tactical gameplans for profit. Such as doing proper scouting for valuable targets, scouting for possible future hostiles, and assessing the ISK-making opportunities.
A successful pirate is, what a successful pirate does. If you aren't making any ISK, you should either re-evaluate your profession or re-evaluate your strategy.
Oh, and good luck with that.
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Mr Reason
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:35:00 -
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The most profitable pirating is done in high sec, not low sec. Unless you start ransoming POSes.
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