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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 07:27:00 -
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Okey i actually would have liked not too write such a thing in public since i think it is better too keep things closed when it is about inner politics and reactions of ccp staff/gmÆs but i simply think that this politic is so unfair/grose and unbelievabely stupid that it have too be changed, and best way too do this is catch the public attention:
Now ccp have a politic that if you get hacked they donÆt return the stuff sold too other players, they just give you the basic isk, now this politic have some insane and major flaws: Basically they are saying: if you buy a stolen car for a very low price (since it is stolen the seller donÆt care) you get too keep it even though it is a stolen car and the original owner only get the profit which the thief sold it for which is basically non, since they sell it for grosely less then itÆs actually worth.
One more thing it adds is the opportunity for hackers too hack accounts, sell all important stuff for lot less then itÆs worth too alts and then resell it for great profit, while all it cost is a activated 2 day old account and wupti you got billions in profit, not a good thing since it provokes these people too keep on doing it and it rewards them as well.
Lastly it is actually against the law since the stuff on your account is yours (will like too set the attention on the wow case where the gmÆs couldnÆt replace his lost items and lost millions of dollars in court in this case for taking it away), although I am not sure ccp would be hold solely responsible in a situation where your hacked they still stands with the majority of the responsibility to fix it since it show a weakness in the security system which they by this politic rewards the abusers for.
Now what should be done if it should be fixed: All buying/selling by a hacker should be reverted: if you buy a stolen item you DonÆt get too keep it when the law realize it is stolen and if you try it is actually a rl crime. All obvious misusers should be punished (I suspect this is already done).
Time while under investigation should not cost you training time if proven the victim in the case (your account donÆt train as it is now, and it should and you should be able to change the skills or set a decend skill plan while waiting).
I personally have a hard time understanding why the victim needs to be punished any further then they already have been by being hacked and needing to stop playing until it is fixed, punishing them with skill point, item, and ship loss too is simply unacceptable and actually illegal.
I really urge ccp too rethink their politics and clear up this misunderstanding on proper conduct for such cases.
/cots
sign here: ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Naj Ymoch
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Posted - 2009.09.04 07:32:00 -
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Short version plz. Maybe as the topic for best results.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 04/09/2009 07:36:33
Originally by: Naj Ymoch Short version plz. Maybe as the topic for best results.
i am not sure it can be done in short but will try:
ccp don't give the stuff back which is sold too other players by a hacker that have misused your account, this results in people buying billions worth of stuff for almost nothing and reselling it for profit, while the original owner lose billions and don't get it back by ccp.
this is also a illegal way too do it and a insanely grose way too treat the costumers.
can't simplify it much more :) ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Mishi Tr'ei
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mishi Tr''ei on 04/09/2009 08:01:14 Whatever happened to being responsible for your own actions? In stead of *****ing at CCP for not solving the mess you got yourself into to your satisfaction, perhaps you should lay the blame with yourself. CCP didn't cause you to be hacked, you did that all on your own.
CCP has no obligation to help you, but they're spending time (and thus money) to do so anyway. Stop whining, start using your brain when you're online and be happy that you get at least partly reimbursed for the losses incurred due to your own stupidity.
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Larg Kellein
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:07:00 -
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"Lastly it is actually against the law since the stuff on your account is yours (will like too set the attention on the wow case where the gmÆs couldnÆt replace his lost items and lost millions of dollars in court in this case for taking it away)"
Yeah, I'm gonna need a citation on that. All stuff on all accounts belong to CCP, not yours. And please point to one (1) credible source for your claim that WoW has lost such a case. The blog of somebody's cousin's hamster is not a source.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mishi Tr'ei Edited by: Mishi Tr''ei on 04/09/2009 08:01:14 Whatever happened to being responsible for your own actions? In stead of *****ing at CCP for not solving the mess you got yourself into to your satisfaction, perhaps you should lay the blame with yourself. CCP didn't cause you to be hacked, you did that all on your own.
CCP has no obligation to help you, but they're spending time (and thus money) to do so anyway. Stop whining, start using your brain when you're online and be happy that you get at least partly reimbursed for the losses incurred due to your own stupidity.
if people want too hack you and knows what they are doing it is damn near impossible too stop them, they way the keylogger where set where not likely too be a keylogger, and if you where the first once hit by them there was no way too get around it. the whole point is that they did something illegal and you are rewarding them and punishing the victims which have no way too stop it.
personally if i could have a signature file as a bank system on my computer which i need too log on, i would use it. but such extra security is not provided, so i most assume that if the security is breach (which is quite easy on such things) everything is logged and will get fixed.
actually they have. but i won't go into law right here.
as a last word too you stfu you can't stop a good hacker before he has done what he wanted, keyloggers "sure, just don't press any links EVER" but seriously, get real. hacking will occur, and misuse of accounts will ALWAYS happend, the only thing you can do is correct the dmg when it is done and not reward the abusers. ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Flitz Farseeker
Gallente Interstellar Stormfront Outcasts Rebellion
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mishi Tr'ei Whatever happened to being responsible for your own actions? In stead of *****ing at CCP for not solving the mess you got yourself into to your satisfaction, perhaps you should lay the blame with yourself. CCP didn't cause you to be hacked, you did that all on your own.
CCP has no obligation to help you, but they're spending time (and thus money) to do so anyway. Stop whining, start using your brain when you're online and be happy that you get at least partly reimbursed for the losses incurred due to your own stupidity.
I was going to write a long reply but I think Mishi sums it up quite succinctly.
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:11:00 -
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No-one's been 'hacked'. You just gave out your login details :S
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Larg Kellein "Lastly it is actually against the law since the stuff on your account is yours (will like too set the attention on the wow case where the gmÆs couldnÆt replace his lost items and lost millions of dollars in court in this case for taking it away)"
Yeah, I'm gonna need a citation on that. All stuff on all accounts belong to CCP, not yours. And please point to one (1) credible source for your claim that WoW has lost such a case. The blog of somebody's cousin's hamster is not a source.
just go search for the wow case dude. gm's removed his items because they thought he had broken the eula, they couldn't replace it afterwards and he suit them and won, since the items on the account is his but the service too use them are theirs. so they can ban you etc. but they are not allowed too remove or delete the stuff you "own" ingame.
now please try to focus a bit more on the fault here.
some one hacks another person sells everything for half price too his alt and resell it for profit. he gets rewarded for braking the law and eula, while the victim get punished. do you realise what this could leade too if some one with the skills realised how easy this is?.
it is a insane flaw in the politic, which does brake the law as well as normal conduct, and rewards people buying stolen stuff (the whole thing is soo wrong, can't believe that there are two that can't see it... but i guess somebody want to be able to profit from this) ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Grunanca
Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Originally by: Larg Kellein "Lastly it is actually against the law since the stuff on your account is yours (will like too set the attention on the wow case where the gmÆs couldnÆt replace his lost items and lost millions of dollars in court in this case for taking it away)"
Yeah, I'm gonna need a citation on that. All stuff on all accounts belong to CCP, not yours. And please point to one (1) credible source for your claim that WoW has lost such a case. The blog of somebody's cousin's hamster is not a source.
just go search for the wow case dude. gm's removed his items because they thought he had broken the eula, they couldn't replace it afterwards and he suit them and won, since the items on the account is his but the service too use them are theirs. so they can ban you etc. but they are not allowed too remove or delete the stuff you "own" ingame.
now please try to focus a bit more on the fault here.
some one hacks another person sells everything for half price too his alt and resell it for profit. he gets rewarded for braking the law and eula, while the victim get punished. do you realise what this could leade too if some one with the skills realised how easy this is?.
it is a insane flaw in the politic, which does brake the law as well as normal conduct, and rewards people buying stolen stuff (the whole thing is soo wrong, can't believe that there are two that can't see it... but i guess somebody want to be able to profit from this)
Another example of everytime something is made foolproof, the fools evolve...
Read the license agreement which you say you have read and accepted first time you log into the game. It pretty clearly states that CCP owns everything in the game, and can at any time do whatever they want with it.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:28:00 -
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people should just realize that posting their account hack dilemma on the forums does not help their situation any bit.
in the worst case all it does is make them look stupid.
advices for the op:
- communicate this issue through the channels ccp provides for it.
- if you believe ccp should handle issues like this differently, at least post a well formulated proposal on the assembly hall board. if your arguments are valueable, people will express their support and enable the csm to bring up the topic for discussion.
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Larg Kellein
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:30:00 -
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You cite this mythical wow case as proof that stuff on mmo accounts belong to the user of the account, despite it being blatantly against years of established practice. It's on you to prove the existence of this case.
Oh, and if you (much against my expectations) manage that, dig up one such case under the jurisdiction of the District Court of Reykjavik. You're free to challenge the EULA on the point of ownership of ingame items (and CCP do claim that ownership in the EULA), but that's the court to take it to.
In the end, account security is your responsibility.
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offcopy
Caldari OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Originally by: Larg Kellein "Lastly it is actually against the law since the stuff on your account is yours (will like too set the attention on the wow case where the gmÆs couldnÆt replace his lost items and lost millions of dollars in court in this case for taking it away)"
Yeah, I'm gonna need a citation on that. All stuff on all accounts belong to CCP, not yours. And please point to one (1) credible source for your claim that WoW has lost such a case. The blog of somebody's cousin's hamster is not a source.
just go search for the wow case dude. gm's removed his items because they thought he had broken the eula, they couldn't replace it afterwards and he suit them and won, since the items on the account is his but the service too use them are theirs. so they can ban you etc. but they are not allowed too remove or delete the stuff you "own" ingame.
now please try to focus a bit more on the fault here.
some one hacks another person sells everything for half price too his alt and resell it for profit. he gets rewarded for braking the law and eula, while the victim get punished. do you realise what this could leade too if some one with the skills realised how easy this is?.
it is a insane flaw in the politic, which does brake the law as well as normal conduct, and rewards people buying stolen stuff (the whole thing is soo wrong, can't believe that there are two that can't see it... but i guess somebody want to be able to profit from this)
eula 11.B You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.
and did you click a link to some adult site, is your brain between you waist and knees?
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JaseNZ
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:32:00 -
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Far as I am aware, EVE Online and everything related to it, is CCP's intellectual property...not the players.
I think it is fairly decent of them to go to the lengths they are reimbursing hacked players. They don't have to, but they choose to.
And it takes up their time doing so, time they could be using to improve the game in some other way. And some people seem to forget CCP is a company, with paid employees, so in going to the lengths they do it is costing them money, and in more ways than a player could imagine I am guessing.
Personally I think it's great of them to be going as far as they are to help players that have been hacked.
Some users who have been infected, might have been infected by no fault of their own (for example people that log into the game from netcafes all over the world).
Thank you CCP for all that you do, and all that you choose to do, to help players.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 04/09/2009 09:20:27
Originally by: JaseNZ Far as I am aware, EVE Online and everything related to it, is CCP's intellectual property...not the players.
I think it is fairly decent of them to go to the lengths they are reimbursing hacked players. They don't have to, but they choose to.
And it takes up their time doing so, time they could be using to improve the game in some other way. And some people seem to forget CCP is a company, with paid employees, so in going to the lengths they do it is costing them money, and in more ways than a player could imagine I am guessing.
Personally I think it's great of them to be going as far as they are to help players that have been hacked.
Some users who have been infected, might have been infected by no fault of their own (for example people that log into the game from netcafes all over the world).
Thank you CCP for all that you do, and all that you choose to do, to help players.
well i am just searching for the chase since people seem to not care about the properbillity of misuse too gain huge amount of isk with ccp just allowing a good hacker too **** every one else over :) i personally don't hope that some one with the right abillity will do this before they have fixed the problem (since it is only a matter of time. and right now it is properly already being done :/ )
too my knowledge the thing they own which they can do with as they wish is the world, the servers and the right too let you use whatever you have on the account, but the actual accounts possession is owned by the player, since he is paying for the service to acquire whatever is there.
if they have to reimburse hacked players? hacking is a crime and rewarding a hacker is too. you are not allowed to indorse people too such acts, blablabla you see where this is going. (besides when i find the chase and get the link, you will see that the items on the account is actually yours and therefore they have too replace it, if it is found hacked).
i am not trying to "attack" ccp, but trying too open their eyes for what oppotunity they give these people and how much they actually punish the victims. this is very importent, since personally i am greatfull that they are using the time it takes.
but again me using houndreds of dollers on a game i at least deserves not to get all my stuff stolen and not replaced. if i had any other service which i had used 700euro on (over the years) and suddenly i lost a ton of my acheivements due too some one braking the rules i would atleast expect to be fully compensated and not having too be over thankfully about not getting screwed over :/ (thinking 700 euro should do the thanks in itself and tell them i like their product).
___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Mr Reason
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:34:00 -
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OP should stop trying to use expensive words, stop stating all kinds of illogical reasoning as 'facts' JUST to try and make his claims sound legit.
- you don't own anything in EVE, it's all CCP - YOU got hacked - they're willing to put in effort to get your stuff back, to an extend - if someone else legitimately buys your stuff (via market and/or a decent price) they're not to be held accountable
In short; stop whining and stop thinking the world, or in CCP in this case, owes you anything at all.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:40:00 -
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well,
if a question can arise form this post and from other posts, then it propably is: how much support and what quality of support can one expect for their monthly subscription(s) value ?
there is at least one quite large post on the assembly hall regarding customers not being happy with the quality of the support. and there also seem to be problems regarding the availability of support services (2-3 weeks petition que's).
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:46:00 -
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The problem is the logistics.
To undo everything they'd basically have to shut the whole server down. Thus it is more convenient to give isk and allow the rest to remain as is for the vast majority of players not affected.
Otherwise at the rate these attacks happen, the server would hardly ever be up for about 3-4 months.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reason OP should stop trying to use expensive words, stop stating all kinds of illogical reasoning as 'facts' JUST to try and make his claims sound legit.
- you don't own anything in EVE, it's all CCP - YOU got hacked - they're willing to put in effort to get your stuff back, to an extend - if someone else legitimately buys your stuff (via market and/or a decent price) they're not to be held accountable
In short; stop whining and stop thinking the world, or in CCP in this case, owes you anything at all.
if you buy stolen stuff you are actually by law legally responsibel for your action ;) as you didn't know it was illegally acquired you will not be punished but the trade will be reverted.
i really don't understand how you can't see the obviously open abusement that will and can happen here if this is not the course of action in such a case.
___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 04/09/2009 09:51:46
Originally by: El'Niaga The problem is the logistics.
To undo everything they'd basically have to shut the whole server down. Thus it is more convenient to give isk and allow the rest to remain as is for the vast majority of players not affected.
Otherwise at the rate these attacks happen, the server would hardly ever be up for about 3-4 months.
i don't think any one really cares for the normal small stuff, a few millions (who cares). but when we are talking billions in a few modules/ships, i can't see the big problem in reverting the transaction and NO you wouldn't need to shot anything down at all, since they got the tools to retract/insert isk and do the same with modules/ships.
and they got the logs too see excatly what where bought when and where and how.
so it really wouldn't be a big problem.
and they don't give isk, you just keep the isk for which it was sold. so if some one hacked your account, sold for 15 billion worth of stuff from you too his alt for 50millions and send those 50millions too a third party, you would get 50millions back and lose 15billions. still can't believe i am the only one seeing a problem in that politic ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Conflagration.
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:51:00 -
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Eulas tend to no hold in court.
depending on circumstance, the stuff on your account can actually become yours.
CCP in their own words says (in one of the commercials). amass your wealth. nvm |
El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Originally by: El'Niaga The problem is the logistics.
To undo everything they'd basically have to shut the whole server down. Thus it is more convenient to give isk and allow the rest to remain as is for the vast majority of players not affected.
Otherwise at the rate these attacks happen, the server would hardly ever be up for about 3-4 months.
i don't think any one really cares for the normal small stuff, a few millions (who cares). but when we are talking billions in a few modules/ships, i can't see the big problem in reverting the transaction and NO you wouldn't need to shot anything down at all, since they got the tools to retract/insert isk and do the same with modules/ships.
and they got the logs too see excatly what where bought when and where and how.
so it really wouldn't be a big problem.
You'd have to shut it down.
Otherwise the utility needed to run all of it would slow down the servers even more and cause yet even more petitions.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Originally by: El'Niaga The problem is the logistics.
To undo everything they'd basically have to shut the whole server down. Thus it is more convenient to give isk and allow the rest to remain as is for the vast majority of players not affected.
Otherwise at the rate these attacks happen, the server would hardly ever be up for about 3-4 months.
i don't think any one really cares for the normal small stuff, a few millions (who cares). but when we are talking billions in a few modules/ships, i can't see the big problem in reverting the transaction and NO you wouldn't need to shot anything down at all, since they got the tools to retract/insert isk and do the same with modules/ships.
and they got the logs too see excatly what where bought when and where and how.
so it really wouldn't be a big problem.
You'd have to shut it down.
Otherwise the utility needed to run all of it would slow down the servers even more and cause yet even more petitions.
yes if you should put everything back properly, but who cares about normal small stuff which is worth 10-100mill
but for your fully officer fitted ship to get sold for peanuts then get the massage "well you get nothing more then that 10millions for your 10-20-30billion ship", that is just outrages :/ since all they need too do is look at the contract and say (hmm okey so we retract 10mill from him give it back and remove the ship from the buyers account and spawn it again in the "sellers" account.. there problem fixed and wouldn't take 20minutes). ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador Eulas tend to no hold in court.
depending on circumstance, the stuff on your account can actually become yours.
CCP in their own words says (in one of the commercials). amass your wealth.
thank you for pointing it out, i kind of assumed people had enough knowledge too know this for themselve^^
___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.04 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars well i am just searching for the chase since people seem to not care about the properbillity of misuse too gain huge amount of isk with ccp just allowing a good hacker too **** every one else over :)
Well, Good luck with your search. I am momentarily after the Holy Grail. Should be quite manageable in relation to your task.
Originally by: CrestoftheStars too my knowledge the thing they own which they can do with as they wish is the world, the servers and the right too let you use whatever you have on the account, but the actual accounts possession is owned by the player, since he is paying for the service to acquire whatever is there.
Can you actually read? You accepted the EULA, which therefore became a part of the agreement between both participating parties, whom are you on the one hand and CCP on the other. The relevant content of the EULA has already been posted further up.
Originally by: CrestoftheStars if they have to reimburse hacked players?
No.
Originally by: CrestoftheStars hacking is a crime and rewarding a hacker is too.
Agreed on the first point in most countries but a definite no on the second.
Go back to your cage now please. KTHXBYE
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Gaelan Lionhardt
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.09.04 10:07:00 -
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Quote: i can't see the big problem in reverting the transaction and NO you wouldn't need to shot anything down at all, since they got the tools to retract/insert isk and do the same with modules/ships.
Have you got even an incling of the manpower that would be required to do this for every account that gets "hacked"
You obviously failed to read the EULA before aggreeing to it and therefore everything and anything that happens after that point is the fault of your own innadiquicy
Quote: clear up this misunderstanding on proper conduct for such cases.
There is no misunderstanding, Read the EULA!
Quote: this is also a illegal way too do it and a insanely grose way too treat the costumers.
ahem, wrong
Quote: if people want too hack you and knows what they are doing it is damn near impossible too stop them, they way the keylogger where set where not likely too be a keylogger, and if you where the first once hit by them there was no way too get around it.
oh dear, my team are laughing, hard.
Quote: but such extra security is not provided
hmm at least not by CCP
Quote: wow case
WoW is not EVE they have different... urm EULA's
Alright basically, read the EULA, replace the word politic with policy, then come back and enlighten us with what you have learned.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Greg DaimYo
Originally by: CrestoftheStars well i am just searching for the chase since people seem to not care about the properbillity of misuse too gain huge amount of isk with ccp just allowing a good hacker too **** every one else over :)
Well, Good luck with your search. I am momentarily after the Holy Grail. Should be quite manageable in relation to your task.
Originally by: CrestoftheStars too my knowledge the thing they own which they can do with as they wish is the world, the servers and the right too let you use whatever you have on the account, but the actual accounts possession is owned by the player, since he is paying for the service to acquire whatever is there.
Can you actually read? You accepted the EULA, which therefore became a part of the agreement between both participating parties, whom are you on the one hand and CCP on the other. The relevant content of the EULA has already been posted further up.
Originally by: CrestoftheStars if they have to reimburse hacked players?
No.
Originally by: CrestoftheStars hacking is a crime and rewarding a hacker is too.
Agreed on the first point in most countries but a definite no on the second.
Go back to your cage now please. KTHXBYE
look at the links in the op and you will see that the eula is not the "final word", all mmo's have eula stating that they can permanently ban you for whatever reason they decide. which is proven false more then once. the eula's state alot of things which doesn't hold in court, so it is more of a guideline then a contract since some of the stuff it states is not legal when it comes to the courtroom. ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Mr Reason
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Posted - 2009.09.04 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Originally by: Mr Reason OP should stop trying to use expensive words, stop stating all kinds of illogical reasoning as 'facts' JUST to try and make his claims sound legit.
- you don't own anything in EVE, it's all CCP - YOU got hacked - they're willing to put in effort to get your stuff back, to an extend - if someone else legitimately buys your stuff (via market and/or a decent price) they're not to be held accountable
In short; stop whining and stop thinking the world, or in CCP in this case, owes you anything at all.
if you buy stolen stuff you are actually by law legally responsibel for your action ;) as you didn't know it was illegally acquired you will not be punished but the trade will be reverted.
i really don't understand how you can't see the obviously open abusement that will and can happen here if this is not the course of action in such a case.
That's a RL siruation, CCP obviously sees this differently (and understandably so). so again, stop trying to use 'facts' as facts.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.04 10:16:00 -
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seriously i don't get why this is all of a sudden the legal matter which is in quetion, that was mainly said as a side note. can't you see that it is wrong too let people sell of your stuff for nothing and too let people buy stolen stuff for half the normal price too resell it?. seriously? ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Gaelan Lionhardt
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.09.04 10:21:00 -
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Quote: look at the links in the op and you will see that the eula is not the "final word", all mmo's have eula stating that they can permanently ban you for whatever reason they decide. which is proven false more then once.
Maybe just me but I didnt see any mention of the EULA in the OP's links
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