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Rex Garvin	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:10:00 - [1] From what Ive read about StarTrek it is going to be similar to EVE but also have world exploration. Is StarTrek going to cripple EVE?
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:13:00 - [2] From what I've read about ST:O, it will be the exact opposite of EVE, so no. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
James Vayne	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:13:00 - [3] In answer to your question: No.
Space Wanderer	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:17:00 - [4] Edited by: Space Wanderer on 04/09/2009 12:17:35 Originally by: Rex Garvin From what Ive read May I respectfully suggest you improve your reading skills?
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:18:00 - [5] I've read that sea urchins are similar to apples, but can also live under water. Are bananas going to cripple kangaroos?
Serpents smile	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Rex Garvin From what Ive read about StarTrek it is going to be similar to EVE but also have world exploration. Is StarTrek going to cripple EVE? Similar as in... apples and bananas?
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Rex Garvin From what Ive read about StarTrek it is going to be similar to EVE but also have world exploration. Is StarTrek going to cripple EVE? I have heard it's the usual WoW in space. So no, it has nothing to threaten EVE in my opinion. Besides. I have seen some of the past Trek games. They are in general pretty awful trying to get away by just being 'brand' product without putting in the needed effort to be good games.
Ruddy Rax	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:25:00 - [8] I wouldnt worry about star trek, last screen shots from the game i saw made the game look about 4 years old. and as another poster said just about every star trek game there has been has been fairly bland with maybe the exception being elite force which i thought was a fairly decent shooter.
Haks'he Lirky Durgarnir	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:26:00 - [9] Similar to EVE being that it happens in space and involves spaceships?
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:28:00 - [10] Similar to EVE being that it has lifetime subscription oh wai... nevermind
Stargazer Monk Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:28:00 - [11] Definitely some competition (face it there are still millions of Star Trek fans out there) as to nemesis worthy I doubt it. Jumpgate Evolution is another contender in the Space mmo market and in time there will be a few more on the way. Not saying these will be better than EVE, EVE will continue to fill it's niche as always and the loyal players will still be here. New competition does threaten CCPs ability to snag new players though as they will have some more choices in this genre.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Stargazer Monk New competition does threaten CCPs ability to snag new players though as they will have some more choices in this genre. They'll all come to EVE once they're tired of the kiddie pool. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Haleuth Amarr Green Men Incorporated Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2009.09.04 12:44:00 - [13] I had a good look at start trek online but from what i could tell they are not going to make borg a playable race :-/ so no business from me. I mean, why would i want to go through 2000 boring starfleet missions just to get a ship when i'd much rather just assimilate someone else's? Haleuth
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.09.04 13:02:00 - [14] If it's going to be similar to Eve, no it won't cripple Eve. If it's going to be better than Eve, yes, it will shove Eve into the dirt. Dust will be fine, because even CCP aren't stupid enough to put all their eggs into one basket. Anybody who is not waiting for something better than Eve really is sad, but I really hope that whatever comes along to beat it is nothing to do with Star Trek. That would be really horrible. It's bad enough when people on Eve replicate the only Star Trek name they can think of that hasn't been taken yet, and then expect us all to bow down to them, actually in a Star Trek environment that would be.... just awful. K4th3riin3 Jayneway: "I am right. And call me Captain" Kittykat Jaynew4y: "Damm you got more chars closer than me, you win" 7 of OVER9000!: "+1 internets to me" I don't think I need it. Really... I think I will be happy to reach my inevitable death without it....
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.09.04 13:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Tippia From what I've read about ST:O, it will be the exact opposite of EVE, so no. So what is the opposite of Eve? Presumably a thing that's not a game, not about spaceships, not about violence...and not about a lot of other stuff. Sounds like a winner. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.09.04 13:23:00 - [16] it will be like that other 'eve-crippling' space mmo. that one where they recently shut the servers off. i dont even remember the name.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.04 13:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Gunnanmon Originally by: Tippia From what I've read about ST:O, it will be the exact opposite of EVE, so no. So what is the opposite of Eve? Presumably a thing that's not a game, not about spaceships, not about violence...and not about a lot of other stuff. Sounds like a winner. It will hae a static war between factions and focus more around PVE kind og opposite. I am a fan of ST, but I am sceptical of this game, seem to be toooo carebearish, no real competition between players or any real sense of loss/accomplishents. However i know very little about it as of yet, I might give it a spin, but I will hardly give up on EVE for it. In my expereinces MMOs based on something else that already exists tend to be too limitd and boring. I.e. WOW. In contrast EVE is an entierly different univers then anyhting that exists out there and its created for this game spesifically. It makes for more interesting story and gamepley. EVE also got real focus on PVP interactions making a much harsher cynical approach togame play then the happy go lucky no-loss no-risk carebear WOW. :P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Kronossan Tread Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.04 13:25:00 - [18] When I first read about ST:O I was really exited but now, the more stuff I see about it the less I think of it as it looks old, has sucky game mechanics and doesn't at all involve what star trek is about.. imo anyway. _________________
Amonshige Axe Gang	Posted - 2009.09.04 13:41:00 - [19] Nemesis, the nemesis of EVE.
Ninja Troll	Posted - 2009.09.04 13:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Similar to EVE being that it has lifetime subscription oh wai... nevermind Similar to EVE being that it has WiS.............well close enough.
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.09.04 13:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Tiny Tove K4th3riin3 Jayneway: "I am right. And call me Captain" Kittykat Jaynew4y: "Damm you got more chars closer than me, you win" 7 of OVER9000!: "+1 internets to me" matrix online comes to mind...
Captain Stupid Raxor Development	Posted - 2009.09.04 14:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Some Advisor Originally by: Tiny Tove K4th3riin3 Jayneway: "I am right. And call me Captain" Kittykat Jaynew4y: "Damm you got more chars closer than me, you win" 7 of OVER9000!: "+1 internets to me" matrix online comes to mind... Made me chuckle. Anyway, ST:O doesn't look like it will be out for a long long time so I wouldn't worry. I will confirm however, I will be trying it when it DOES come out.
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.09.04 14:11:00 - [23] so what else? stargate that game? looks pretty neat... now i jsut cant remember where i saw thos eneat stuff and what the progress is. black prophecy? even the company logo looks similar. hmmm
Vysnaite	Posted - 2009.09.04 14:13:00 - [24] Short Answer: No. Long Answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
James Vayne	Posted - 2009.09.04 14:35:00 - [25] The only advantage that ST:O has over Eve is that you can get out your ship and go down onto planets or fight hand-to-hand combat ON your ship. But that will get old very quickly. Graphics looks half-baked. The universe isn't anything like star trek to the point that it just looks like a completely different game with star trek ships in it. All this is is WoWTrek. Faction Vs Faction PVP only = Lose PvE mechanics not yet decided upon = Lose.
Mad Maulkin	Posted - 2009.09.04 14:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab I've read that sea urchins are similar to apples, but can also live under water. Are bananas going to cripple kangaroos? .... ROLF!!!!ROLFROLFROLFROLFROLF!!!! (you better watch it you almost killed me...) Mad Maulkin whipes tears from her eyes.... "Gah that was funny" Originally by:* CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world
Flex Nebura Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.04 14:50:00 - [27] Originally by: James Vayne The only advantage that ST:O has over Eve is that you can get out your ship and go down onto planets or fight hand-to-hand combat ON your ship. But that will get old very quickly. Graphics looks half-baked. The universe isn't anything like star trek to the point that it just looks like a completely different game with star trek ships in it. All this is is WoWTrek. Faction Vs Faction PVP only = Lose PvE mechanics not yet decided upon = Lose. Sounds a lot like Pirates of the Burning Sea.. in space..
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.09.04 15:07:00 - [28] Star Trek?? That silly hippy dudes in strange looking spaceships using crappy technology? Is the star trek generation still alive??
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation	Posted - 2009.09.04 16:48:00 - [29] Nope. -------------------------- WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls.
Doomed Predator The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.09.04 16:54:00 - [30] Meh, it's just WoW in space. The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again
Jean LeCamion Gallente Big Heart Industries	Posted - 2009.09.04 16:57:00 - [31] I am claiming page 2 for the Romulan Empire
Eureka Ross	Posted - 2009.09.04 17:26:00 - [32] As several posters have already said, it's just WOW in space. It's going to be very PvE oriented with factional PvP warfare restricted to the Neutral Zone. Even then, it's already been decided that the death penalty will not mean the loss of your ship, just something like losing some red shirts. Even when you're on a planet and about to die, you're party will me "miraculously" beamed back to your ship before they die. Also, it's going to be SEVERELY instanced. It may be one server, but the will be no running into random people on missions and most of the exploration content. Granted, there's a lot about the game that has yet to be revealed (they haven't even started closed beta yet) but all clues point that the only thing it'll have in common with EVE is that it's a spaceship game. It will will be popular for the carebear crowd who don't like the harshness of EVE, and simply because it's Star Trek (the only reason I'm somewhat interested).
joxter Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.04 17:27:00 - [33] I know that myself and most of the pilots I know will be dropping eve the day ST:O is released. We have been playing EVE for years because it is the only space game out. WoW in space? Get real, not even close. Just another Straw Man argument, not even worth rebuttal really. And no, you may not have my stuff, It just might suck after all, I really hope not though.
Gavriel Black Amarr The League of Retarded Squirrel Monkies	Posted - 2009.09.04 17:45:00 - [34] I've been following the development of ST:O. I like Star Trek, but quite frankly it looks like a pile of dribble. Only game I'm looking forward to is The Old Republic, and even then with Dust and Ambulation coming out, I don't think it would be enough to make me give up EVE.(As long as Dust and Ambulation is done right)
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.09.04 17:46:00 - [35] Originally by: joxter I know that myself and most of the pilots I know will be dropping eve the day ST:O is released. We have been playing EVE for years because it is the only space game out. WoW in space? Get real, not even close. Just another Straw Man argument, not even worth rebuttal really. And no, you may not have my stuff, It just might suck after all, I really hope not though. Its worse than WoW. just about everything will be instanced, no economy to speak of, very very restricted pvp, no risk... I makes me want to vomit just thinging about it.
Jarna Amarr Exhumer Industries	Posted - 2009.09.04 18:21:00 - [36] Originally by: Ruddy Rax I wouldnt worry about star trek, last screen shots from the game i saw made the game look about 4 years old. and as another poster said just about every star trek game there has been has been fairly bland with maybe the exception being elite force which i thought was a fairly decent shooter. Are you really a gamer? Any gamer knows that games that aren't even near their release rarely have the best screenshots. Some games don't release good screenies till just a few months before release. STo doesn't even have an official release date yet. And I'm sure the last screenshots you saw weren't yesterday either.
Jarna Amarr Exhumer Industries	Posted - 2009.09.04 18:33:00 - [37] Originally by: Gavriel Black I've been following the development of ST:O. I like Star Trek, but quite frankly it looks like a pile of dribble. Only game I'm looking forward to is The Old Republic, and even then with Dust and Ambulation coming out, I don't think it would be enough to make me give up EVE.(As long as Dust and Ambulation is done right) Yeah, I'm a Trekkie too. It pains to think STO might not actually be good. I might not even play it if it is good, but I'd at least like to know it would turn out good. I'm really into ToR as well. Bioware has yet to disappoint me. I was a huge fan of SWG before the change in game mechanics and they dropped both of my professions: Creature Handler and Teras Kasi. I mean, seriously, I lost both professions and those were the professions I finally decided I loved doing. It was a total buzz kill. But, whatever, I'm just hoping that ToR doesn't disappoint. But, I really haven't been keeping up with the development of it.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.09.04 18:44:00 - [38] Originally by: joxter I know that myself and most of the pilots I know will be dropping eve the day ST:O is released. We have been playing EVE for years because it is the only space game out. WoW in space? Get real, not even close. Just another Straw Man argument, not even worth rebuttal really. And no, you may not have my stuff, It just might suck after all, I really hope not though. In what way will it not be WoW in space?
Mors Magne M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.09.04 18:58:00 - [39] Edited by: Mors Magne on 04/09/2009 19:05:53 IF it has world exploration and IF it's similar to EVE, then it will supercede EVE. However, I have invested six years in EVE because I have faith in CCP that they will stay at the forefront.
ddogg Amarr HuzzaH	Posted - 2009.09.04 19:06:00 - [40] Eve saw off SWG which really was a good game at launch so I really don't think star trek will have much impact. CEO -
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.09.04 19:08:00 - [41] Originally by: Mors Magne IF it has world exploration and IF it's similar to EVE, then it will supercede EVE. The devs have already confirmed, that it will not be similar to EVE. "If your whole party is wiped out while you're doing a mission, you should be able to pick up where you left off. You won't lose your ship when it's destroyed." Also "you will be competing for resources more than outright fighting other players for them." It will have "infinite exploration", with new worlds constantly being created by the Genesis Program. The part that will cause most lolz is: You can name stars and planets you discover. That isn't going to end well. Either the devs have to approve all the names or the galaxy is going to have pretty interesting system names.
Zaiyo Modi Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.04 19:12:00 - [42] I think all mmo games spend too much effort on graphics and the experience of playing in an environment. I have no hope for STO to become anything remotely resembling EVE.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.09.04 19:31:00 - [43] None of the space-based MMOs that are coming out are even remotely close to EVE, STO least of all. I don't even think there's any PVP in STO. IT will probably draw -some- people away, but not many...and that will probably be offset by the people who are brought into the genre by it.
Mors Magne M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.09.04 20:07:00 - [44] I had a quick look at the Star Trek Online screenshots and Wikipedia description - it looks a bit PvE-ish, repetitious, and lacking in atmosphere.

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Cardiana	Posted - 2009.09.04 21:11:00 - [46] Edited by: Cardiana on 04/09/2009 21:13:48 Originally by: Kronossan When I first read about ST:O I was really exited but now, the more stuff I see about it the less I think of it as it looks old, has sucky game mechanics and doesn't at all involve what star trek is about.. imo anyway. kinda this. the more it reveals itself the more just meh i have seen this before and it doesnt fit my style. will test on trial to see what its actually like but i think it is a very slim cance that i also start to play. nemesis of eve? wha? good joke.
AtheistOfDoom Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.09.04 21:36:00 - [47] Originally by: Mors Magne I had a quick look at the Star Trek Online screenshots and Wikipedia description - it looks a bit PvE-ish, repetitious, and lacking in atmosphere. Maybe it'll draw all the whiny carebears away from EVE Pew Pew Lazorz!!!
Jacob Mei Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.04 21:42:00 - [48] Two ships from diffrent "alliances" meet in STO: Ship 1: You cant be here! This is federation space and according to the treaty of XYZ your in clear violation of the blah blah blah treaty!!! Ship 2: I claim this system in the name of the Romulat star empire and theres nothing you can do about it you federation dog! Out of no where Ship 3: We are the borg, we will pwn you all! Super borg wants to engage in pvp with you, accept? That same situation framed in Eve Online: Ship 1: Enemy alliance member spotted at the gate! Get the carriers! Scramble him! Ship 2: I claim this sys... AH CRAP!!! cloaked and 20 km off Ship 3: Soon as they kill him im goin to ninja loot his wreck. Ship 1 scores a critical hit on ship 2 for 8892 damage On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod!
Cardiana	Posted - 2009.09.04 22:30:00 - [49] loooooooool itll be silly i swear :p
Nai Ling Amarr Middle Finger Technology	Posted - 2009.09.05 03:56:00 - [50] Originally by: Vysnaite Short Answer: No. Long Answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Darth Sidious: "So, I heard that Star Trek: Online didn't even make a dent in EVE Online's playerbase." Darth Vader: "NOOOoooOOoooOOooOOooOoooOOoooOOooOOooOoooOOoooOOooOOooOoOoOoOoOOO!!"
MaxxOmega Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2009.09.05 16:55:00 - [51] It will be the best game ever. After this, no one will have to do another computer game again...
Stargazer Monk Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.09.06 04:52:00 - [52] I Like how people use the "WoW in space" comment like it is supposed to be an insult lol. Last time I checked WoW (regardless of what anyone thinks of the game personally) was doing a lot better than EVE. I'm sure the ST:O developers would be happy if it turned out to be WoW in space, that would mean it has completely owned EVE (highly doubtful) ^.^ Bashing a game before it's released isn't really fair, let them release it before you judge it when you actually know what it's like. Just because it is a more PvE orientated game doesn't mean it won't be successful at what it's aiming for and from what I can tell it's not even trying to be like EVE anyway. I won't be trying it myself because I never really liked the Star Trek universe, I'll be sticking with EVE.
Ethan Hunte Ninjas With Frikkin StarShips	Posted - 2009.09.06 05:38:00 - [53] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: joxter I know that myself and most of the pilots I know will be dropping eve the day ST:O is released. We have been playing EVE for years because it is the only space game out. WoW in space? Get real, not even close. Just another Straw Man argument, not even worth rebuttal really. And no, you may not have my stuff, It just might suck after all, I really hope not though. Its worse than WoW. just about everything will be instanced, no economy to speak of, very very restricted pvp, no risk... I makes me want to vomit just thinging about it. i prefer the log in have action that will be available because people are willing to fight because they wont suffer huge losses than the few and far inbetween epic fights of eve, which you still have to wait around for hours to kick off and then still you have to make sure you play 18 hours a day or you might miss that one epic fight that happens once a month or so. pvp with risk like eve is good for the adrenaline rush it gives, but is the pay off worth it? the infrequent fights because no one wants to fight unless they win with 90% efficiency? or outnumber you 10-1? dont think it is worth it. Ninja is recruiting.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.09.06 05:56:00 - [54] Originally by: Stargazer Monk I Like how people use the "WoW in space" comment like it is supposed to be an insult lol. Last time I checked WoW (regardless of what anyone thinks of the game personally) was doing a lot better than EVE. I'm sure the ST:O developers would be happy if it turned out to be WoW in space, that would mean it has completely owned EVE (highly doubtful) ^.^ Bashing a game before it's released isn't really fair, let them release it before you judge it when you actually know what it's like. Just because it is a more PvE orientated game doesn't mean it won't be successful at what it's aiming for and from what I can tell it's not even trying to be like EVE anyway. I won't be trying it myself because I never really liked the Star Trek universe, I'll be sticking with EVE. Being compared to wow is an insult merely because.. well, its wow. us elitists cant have anything to do with that mass market game - for we are better tahn that. Or so we claim at least.
Aaron Mirrorsaver R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.09.06 07:40:00 - [55] Edited by: Aaron Mirrorsaver on 06/09/2009 07:40:30 sike ------ * Your ** is too big for my ***. Please use one that is no larger than 24inches - Fallout
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.09.06 09:11:00 - [56] Originally by: Stargazer Monk I Like how people use the "WoW in space" comment like it is supposed to be an insult lol. Last time I checked WoW (regardless of what anyone thinks of the game personally) was doing a lot better than EVE. I'm sure the ST:O developers would be happy if it turned out to be WoW in space, that would mean it has completely owned EVE (highly doubtful) ^.^ Bashing a game before it's released isn't really fair, let them release it before you judge it when you actually know what it's like. Just because it is a more PvE orientated game doesn't mean it won't be successful at what it's aiming for and from what I can tell it's not even trying to be like EVE anyway. I won't be trying it myself because I never really liked the Star Trek universe, I'll be sticking with EVE. WoW in space is an insult to some, but for most just a generic classification. The insult part comes more from the fact it is used here, in a forum of a game that is very different from WoW and populated mostly by people who prefer EVE over WoW. How popular a game is doesn't matter, since we aren't discussing its financial success, but whether it is in competition with EVE. Its PvE focus and meaningless death means it competes more with games like WoW and for just this reason can be justly called WoW in space. Bashing the game is also just fine, since it is based on actual info that the developers themselves have released. Granted a lot of details aren't available, but we can still discuss the game based on info we do know. And even though the financial success of the game is irrelevant here, even that can be questioned, since there are a lot of good PvE MMOs now and more on their way, SWtOR being the strongest scifi rival with its strong focus on PvE content.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.06 09:37:00 - [57] Originally by: Flex Nebura Originally by: James Vayne The only advantage that ST:O has over Eve is that you can get out your ship and go down onto planets or fight hand-to-hand combat ON your ship. But that will get old very quickly. Graphics looks half-baked. The universe isn't anything like star trek to the point that it just looks like a completely different game with star trek ships in it. All this is is WoWTrek. Faction Vs Faction PVP only = Lose PvE mechanics not yet decided upon = Lose. Sounds a lot like Pirates of the Burning Sea.. in space.. My first thought as well.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.09.08 04:38:00 - [58] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab ...Are bananas going to cripple kangaroos? Only if you throw them really hard. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Lamthara Atropos	Posted - 2009.09.08 10:49:00 - [59] Star Trek online seems a nice game but i don't think it'll have anything to share with Eve... but the fact it's a sci-fi game. In my opinion the "nemesis" of eve will be another game... probably Black Prophecy or Jumpgate Evolution.
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.09.08 11:00:00 - [60] Maybe it will replace "gb2wow" with "gb2sto"?
Davina Braben	Posted - 2009.09.08 13:30:00 - [61] Edited by: Davina Braben on 08/09/2009 13:30:45 Originally by: Rex Garvin From what Ive read about StarTrek it is going to be similar to EVE but also have world exploration. Is StarTrek going to cripple EVE? No it isn't and no it won't. The only people that think STO is even vaguely an alternative to EVE probably don't really get EVE anyway. It's EVE minus everything that makes it uniquely EVE (apart from it being in space I guess). Also, STO has furries.
Jacob Mei Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.08 15:38:00 - [62] Originally by: Davina Braben Also, STO has furries. They call them tribbles in Star trek. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod!

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