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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.09.06 06:32:00 -
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Because fighting fair, is fighting stupid.
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Bfoster
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.09.06 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mannock Cazorla Bfoster is a great man (I want him badly). Normally the wild animals like him attack you in packs (you are a wild animal bfoster and I want to paint your body with hot chocolate).
Dont worry man, Bfoster, a threesome is the only word I have in my dictionary.
We (high sec people) are lucky to have him. I dream of a 3v1 with Bfoster.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.09.06 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Alas, the true pirate is teetering on the brink of extinction so I expect it to get a lot worse before it gets better. The gank will replace proper combat and useless drivel will flood local ....
Hasn't that pretty much already happened for the most part? PVP in EVE seems more about the gank than actually fighting in most cases.
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Lars Lodar
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.09.06 09:36:00 -
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Risk vs Reward is a big issue.
Getting into a fight on a high sec gate with sentry aggression and limited to no support access is extremely risky. Unless you know you are going to win without any losses it's generally not worth it (at least from a profit perspective).
95% of the bears and anti-pies who want to fight want it on a station or gate. Never fight on your enemy's terms especially when it puts your side at a severe disadvantage.
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.09.06 12:06:00 -
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It's about sustainability. Most pirates in low sec try to avoid pve content. Most of them fail at this but by limiting risk (bring a BS to kill a BC) they can minimize the amount of pve they have to do. The more skilled ones will fight a theoretically fair fight as they are confident in their ability to win. But once again, due to trying to avoid pve, they go for ones they are pretty sure they will win. These 1v1's typically aren't fair at all in reality. The most common case is a carebear trying to get his feet wet in pvp. So he challenges a local pirate to a 1v1. Pirates get a lot of pvp and even if the carebear has more SP, it's very likely the pirate will win. -----------------------------------------------------
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.09.06 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/09/2009 12:10:26 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/09/2009 12:09:05
Originally by: Lars Lodar
Getting into a fight on a high sec gate with sentry aggression and limited to no support access is extremely risky. Unless you know you are going to win without any losses it's generally not worth it (at least from a profit perspective).
This bit is true. Fighting near sentries is just bad unless you're ganking something you're sure you can take, preferably without losing 5 mil in T2 drones.
Originally by: Helicity Boson Because fighting fair, is fighting stupid.
As is bringing any more ships then what is needed, from a profit perspective.
Consider the following situation: someone is challenging you to a 1v1. But given you expect you have better skills/fit/implants, you estimate the odds of winning the fight at 90%. Expected gain from the kill is 10M (eg. it's a BC which you expect is T2 fit), loss cost of your ship is 30M.
After 10 fights, this will average into 90M made, 30M lost, for a total of 60M profit.
Now let's bring in a extra ship. You win 100% of the fights but have to split loot 50/50. After 10 fights, this will average into 50M made, 0M lost, for a total of 50M profit.
In this case, the solo fighting wins. Naturally, the equation will change dependent on the odds of winning solo fights (higher odds favours solo fighting, lower bringing more people), on the loss cost of the ship(s) (higher loss cost favours bringing more people, lower solo fighting), and the expected loot from a given ship (higher expected loot favours solo fighting, lower favours fighting in gang).
In any case, if you are very skilled in the ship you fly, if the ship you fly is not expensive, and if you expect to win, a strong case can be made for solo fighting, from a profit perspective.
Originally by: King Rothgar These 1v1's typically aren't fair at all in reality. The most common case is a carebear trying to get his feet wet in pvp. So he challenges a local pirate to a 1v1. Pirates get a lot of pvp and even if the carebear has more SP, it's very likely the pirate will win.
This bit is true. Also the not so experienced weekend PVP-ers sometimes will bring irrationally expensive setups which fail to provide the advantage they think they have. Eg, once I agreed to a 1v1 vs a Hurricane with dual complex reps which sold for 65M a pop, and provide little to zero advantage over plain T2. With the 150M of loot I got I could go out and lose ~4 Hurricanes in a row.
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Mopsy Six
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Posted - 2009.09.06 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Mopsy Six on 06/09/2009 12:11:39 First of all, accepting 1v1 is foolish. Fight on your own terms, unless you have enough intel or know something your enemy doesn't, but that's fighting on your own terms too.
Secondly, if someone killed your ship, it's reasonable to think on the side of the killer that you have too much intel, the element of suprise isn't there and he doesn't know how you are fitted. You're in the better possition here.
Originally by: Suas Edited by: Suas on 04/09/2009 14:29:05 Stupid players will take you on in any ship class 1on1.
Smart players won't.
I fixed it for you Suas.
Last but not least, we're talking about pirates. What do you expect? honor, faiplay or a big fluffy hug? Try living as a pirate, it's hard enough to survive in 0.0, noone's looking for extra trouble.
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Andrea Skye
Caldari The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.09.06 16:22:00 -
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High sec PvP'rs should get ball cancer.
Well, if you had any balls to get cancer in.
I HIGH SEC, ME HIDE BEHIND SENTRY GUN, ME GOOD AT GAME! LOL
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xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996
BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.06 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:07:33 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:08:31 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:09:20 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:10:07 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:10:30 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:11:11 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:11:52 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:12:34 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:13:15 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:13:43 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:14:12 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:14:42 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:15:02 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:15:24 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:15:42 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:15:59 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:16:12
Originally by: Andrea Skye High sec PvP'rs should get ball cancer.
Well, if you had any balls to get cancer in.
I HIGH SEC, ME HIDE BEHIND SENTRY GUN, ME GOOD AT GAME! LOL
WTF?!
Petitioned, I live in highsec and I think its very offense that u want me to get cancer because of it is this the 30s in germany or something
Originally by: Andrea Skye
I HIGH SEC, ME HIDE BEHIND SENTRY GUN, ME GOOD AT GAME! LOL
m8 if ur gona complain about sentry guns maybe u should get good at this game and move to 0.0 mate, u just want easy kils and u dont want 2 use true skills 4 fighting, so yea move 2 0.0 if u want a challenge or wardec my allianse
and enjoy ur ban m8
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Alevi
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.09.06 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:07:33 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:08:31 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:09:20 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:10:07 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:10:30 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:11:11 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:11:52 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:12:34 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:13:15 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:13:43 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:14:12 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:14:42 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:15:02 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:15:24 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:15:42 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:15:59 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:16:12
Originally by: Andrea Skye High sec PvP'rs should get ball cancer.
Well, if you had any balls to get cancer in.
I HIGH SEC, ME HIDE BEHIND SENTRY GUN, ME GOOD AT GAME! LOL
WTF?!
Petitioned, I live in highsec and I think its very offense that u want me to get cancer because of it is this the 30s in germany or something
Originally by: Andrea Skye
I HIGH SEC, ME HIDE BEHIND SENTRY GUN, ME GOOD AT GAME! LOL
m8 if ur gona complain about sentry guns maybe u should get good at this game and move to 0.0 mate, u just want easy kils and u dont want 2 use true skills 4 fighting, so yea move 2 0.0 if u want a challenge or wardec my allianse
and enjoy ur ban m8
Numbers are not words. 'ur' is not a word. 'gona' is not a word 'u' is not a word. 'kils' is not a word. 'dont' is not a word 'allianse' is not a word. Proper grammar and punctuation are your friend.
Also, move to 0.0? Why? Low sec is small gang warfare. Nullsec is blob warfare. The only difference is bubbles on gates in nullsec. I've seen groups of 3 or 4 pirates destroy groups of 7 or 8 anti-pirate gangs. Unfortunately if that were in 0.0, the pirate group would be 10 people, and the alliance would have 90+, something the pirates have zero chance of winning.
It's all risk vs reward. And unfortunately, the risk is too high in nullsec to make pirating worth it most of the time.
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xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996
BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.06 17:28:00 -
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yea so u need more skills 2 pirat in 0.0 than low sec
THANK FOR PROVING MY POINT
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HONOURWARRIOR
Titan Industrial Elite Enterprises HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.06 17:49:00 -
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Abosoloutetly agree with DRAGON here if u want to be good pvpers, pirats u have to live in null sector security space but i understand many corporations are not yet gud enuf to do this, if ur still buildin up forces etc (we are not pirates but we are buildin up for eventualy attacking to 0.0 any of our reds there) but the 1ns who just stay and kill other players for no reason are pretty dumb
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:30:19 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:29:22 yea so u need more skills 2 pirat in 0.0 than low sec
THANK FOR PROVING MY POINT
The point that everyone who is leet should go blob someone in 0.0? Ok, thank you for your point. It was very funny. Please offer us more insightful points like those.
May I also suggest that pirating in Tier 1 Tech 1 frigates requires more skills then anything else, so the elite pirate should definitely stick to only those?
Originally by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996
btw jus cos im not english speaker doesnt mean u should make fun of me u as hat, thats the only defense u have vs me cos my words rings truths also im on sumer holiday atm so who the fuk cares if i spel proper or not lol, this isnt school as hat
When you get out of school, you will realize that the need for proper spelling and punctuation in written communication doesn't end there.
English isn't my primary language either. It's no excuse for writing text which is borderline unreadable.
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xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996
BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:27:00 -
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no u stupid noob
POINT is , u have 2 outnumber ppl 2 be suxesful in low security space sector, in 0.0 security space sector UR THE 1 THATS OUTNUMBERED
so it takes MORE skil 2 pul it off suxesfuly if in 0.0 security space sector ergo NEED MORE SKILL in 0.0 security space sector space
also im not leavin scool 4 a while m8, atleast 5 years lol so u can stik that coment up ur ass
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 06/09/2009 18:31:04
Originally by: Cpt Branko
In the unlikely case you get out of school anytime soon, you will realize that the need for proper spelling and punctuation in written communication doesn't end there.
Fixed that for you.
Edit: ah yes, thought so
Quote: also im not leavin scool 4 a while m8, atleast 5 years lol so u can stik that coment up ur ass
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GENERIC ACHURA
BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:34:00 -
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supporsting my allince m8s here ur retarted if u cant make pvp good in zero space
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xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996
BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:34:00 -
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omara otawan
caldari provisions [cp]
ur just jelos of me and brad cos we have a good allianse and ur 2 SCARED AND STUPID 2 join a proper 1 and stay in it ur in a noob corp m8 so whateva u say MEANS ****
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 06/09/2009 18:31:04
Originally by: Cpt Branko
In the unlikely case you get out of school anytime soon, you will realize that the need for proper spelling and punctuation in written communication doesn't end there.
Fixed that for you.
Edit: ah yes, thought so
Quote: also im not leavin scool 4 a while m8, atleast 5 years lol so u can stik that coment up ur ass
Yeah, sometimes I fail at noticing the obvious ;)
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 fail
Unfortunately my alliance doesnt endorse arguing with your kind, hence why I post on this alt.
And who the F is Brad anyway, why should I be jealous? Is he the one of you lot that can spell properly?
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xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996
BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:49:00 -
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wel i welcome u guys 2 declare war on us and well see whos the best, hint_: WED OWN THE **** OUT OF YOU
THE ONLY **** U GOT ON ME IS BECAUSE IM YOUNG BUT U KNOW THAT IM RIGHT HOW DOES IT FEEL GETIN PWNED BY A 13 YER OLD LOL
BUT ANYWAY IF U WANT 2 PROVE UR WORTHS FUKIN DECLARE WAR ON US, WELL SHOW U WHAT TRU PVPERS R
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:54:00 -
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What is this "declare war" you are speaking about?
Must be a new concept in 0.0, I didnt read the patchnotes recently
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HONOURWARRIOR
Titan Industrial Elite Enterprises HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:57:00 -
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Listen, as an experinced member of this alliance you dont know who u r messing with. Just leave it.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.09.06 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 06/09/2009 19:03:39
Originally by: HONOURWARRIOR Listen, as an experinced member of this alliance you dont know who u r messing with. Just leave it.
Believe me I know it pretty well. Not impressed either.
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xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996
BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.06 19:06:00 -
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y r u in a allianse where ur not alowed 2 post lol
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HONOURWARRIOR
Titan Industrial Elite Enterprises HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.06 19:16:00 -
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pretty stupid rule LOL
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.09.06 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 no u stupid noob
POINT is , u have 2 outnumber ppl 2 be suxesful in low security space sector, in 0.0 security space sector UR THE 1 THATS OUTNUMBERED
so it takes MORE skil 2 pul it off suxesfuly if in 0.0 security space sector ergo NEED MORE SKILL in 0.0 security space sector space
also im not leavin scool 4 a while m8, atleast 5 years lol so u can stik that coment up ur ass
Let me patiently explain once more.
Piracy is generally speaking about blowing ships up and making money while doing so. If you pirate as a profession, then you want to make money with it. You don't necessarily have to be "leet" about it, just effective (or else you're going to end up doing PVE to fund you, or some boring crap like that). Requiring more skill does not make you a better pirate by default.
The best profits are in solo/small gang fights. Loot does not get split in many ways. Losses are less likely then in larger gang on gang fights, so on and so forth. Since most of the solo/small gang action occurs in low-sec (if you move away from FW hubs at any rate), that is where pirates who do it as a profession live.
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xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996
BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.06 20:15:00 -
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u can do smalls in 0.0 security space sector also m8
but ur oviously not good enoufh
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.09.06 21:19:00 -
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Lol Trolls.
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Bfoster
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.09.07 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:07:33 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:08:31 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:09:20 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:10:07 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:10:30 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:11:11 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:11:52 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:12:34 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:13:15 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:13:43 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:14:12 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:14:42 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:15:02 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:15:24 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:15:42 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:15:59 Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 06/09/2009 17:16:12
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HoldMeAfter
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Posted - 2009.09.07 04:08:00 -
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This thread is one of the best i have read in a long time.
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