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Joethelions
Caldari Universal Order Utopian Order
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Posted - 2009.09.10 05:45:00 -
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Hi im Joe you can call me JTL.
anyways, due to the overwhelming success of my previous tempest thread i've done some thinking and would like to talk to you about the ewar battleships.
as we all know, every race's tier 1 battleship is ewar except for minmatar. this is a bit of a problem. amarr have armageddon(lasers electronic) gallente have dominix(drones electronic) caldari have scorpion(uses electronic countar measures, nice jam thing(this ewar better than all others imo)) minmatar have typhoon???(fires Volkswagens?!??!?!)
wtf??
there is nothing electronic or warfarey about the typhoon. minmatar keep on getting the short end of the stick when it comes to battleships. we only get projectiles which are like stoneage catapults. seriously how you think they use no cap its gotta be using old gunpowder. cmon this is space age why are we using gunpowder(DOES THAT EVEN WORK WTF) anyway, minmatar have nothing electronic on there battleships so i think typhoon should mabe get web bonus to put it inline with other ewar battleships or it can use lasers or something i dunno but give it something electronic so it is better
Thx
JTL
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.09.10 05:52:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 10/09/2009 05:54:13
Quote: lets talk about ewar boats
Bad idea. Very bad idea. Lets talk about puppies instead. Much better subject. Much cuter subject. Ewar isn't cute at all. Not even slightly. Also people tend to die rather painfully when talking about ewar. No one died a horrible painful death while talking about puppies. Except the one time. But that was a special case.
Also puppy discussions never get kicked out of General Discussion. Except for the painful death one. The horror...
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.09.10 06:03:00 -
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The Minmatar Battleship skill should just advise people against training it. Would be simpler than making them competitive with other races.
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.09.10 06:06:00 -
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then you are not familiar with the neut phoon. it works well. the domi doesnt even have to be ewar, its just usually neuts. it actually functions just fine as a 1k+ dps killdozer of doomy doom if you use guns. also, drones and lasers are not ewar. i am also sure its against several rules to call the gheddon with its 3 mids ewar. perhaps even ban worthy rule breakage here. your topic sucks, and your examples suck. also, your ugly.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Hola, esta forum es ingles solamente.
This forum is English only. Welcome to my lock. Now please, zip your pants. I don't need a show.
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Kazuma Ry
Amarr Ordo Nigrorum Susurri Ordo Magna
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Posted - 2009.09.10 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula The Minmatar Battleship skill should just advise people against training it. Would be simpler than making them competitive with other races.
Or to train it with amarr bs skill, to be able to fly the Bhaalgorn.
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Terazuk
Amarr Rogen's Heroes
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Posted - 2009.09.10 06:15:00 -
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Edited by: Terazuk on 10/09/2009 06:18:49
Originally by: Kazuma Ry
Originally by: Professor Tarantula The Minmatar Battleship skill should just advise people against training it. Would be simpler than making them competitive with other races.
Or to train it with amarr bs skill, to be able to fly the Bhaalgorn.
QFA (Quoted For Awesome)
Edit: Also...
Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux ...also, drones and lasers are not ewar. i am also sure its against several rules to call the gheddon with its 3 mids ewar. perhaps even ban worthy rule breakage here. your topic sucks, and your examples suck.
QFT!
Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
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Zemi Dahut
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.10 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: Zemi Dahut on 10/09/2009 06:36:25 Domis are ewar boats now?
Wait, Geddons do ewar?
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Sauli Keskinen
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.10 06:45:00 -
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I'd strongly recommend training Sarcasm, Irony and Subtle Humor to IV before getting all red-faced and responding to JTL's posts. Or just do what I did; train Advanced Trolling III, chuckle and move on.
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Zemi Dahut
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.10 06:52:00 -
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Don't read just post
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Je'Nann
Soul Assassins Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.09.10 07:33:00 -
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hi Joe, what do you know?
Quote: as we all know, every race's tier 1 battleship is ewar except for minmatar.
obviously not much.
amargeddon isnt ewar (amarr use tracking disrupters). domi isnt ewar (gallente use sensor dampners). typhoon isnt ewar (minmatar use painters).
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.10 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Joethelions as we all know, every race's tier 1 battleship is ewar except for minmatar
I think you'll find that more or less no-one knows this, mainly because it's just not the case. There exists exactly one ewar battleship: the Scorpion.
You need to rethink the foundation of your post and base it on reality. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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CCP Navigator
C C P
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Posted - 2009.09.10 09:41:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.10 09:49:00 -
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Hi JTL.
Originally by: Joethelions as we all know, every race's tier 1 battleship is ewar except for minmatar. this is a bit of a problem.
There is an easy solution: crosstraining.
Quote: amarr have armageddon (lasers electronic) gallente have dominix (drones electronic) caldari have scorpion(uses electronic countar measures, nice jam thing(this ewar better than all others imo)) minmatar have typhoon???(fires Volkswagens?!??!?!)
I'm not sure if I understand this correct: You talk about ewar and then switch to guns and drones? No no.
Ewar: Webs, Scrams, Neutralizers, NOS, ECM, Target Painters and so on.
Ok, the Scorp has a real ewar bonus. But this is an example why every race is unique in its own way and differs from the other. As I've stated, crosstraining is your friend.
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2009.09.10 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 10/09/2009 10:21:46 the only T1 EWAR battleship is the scorp. While you could fit ewar on the other T1 battleships, none of them receive bonuses to it.
So your entire premise is flawed. Don't try and balance ships based on an attribute they never had (except the scorpion). Director of Education :: EVE University Chairman of the CSM
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.09.10 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Joethelions
we only get projectiles which are like stoneage catapults. seriously how you think they use no cap its gotta be using old gunpowder. cmon this is space age why are we using gunpowder(DOES THAT EVEN WORK WTF) anyway,
There are other ways to fire projectiles that don't use explosives, at least in the sense that you are thinking. Read the Legacy of the Aldenata (otherwise known as the Posleen War) by John Ringo (available here). All of his earth built weapons are based on current weapons research, he makes use of ideas like metal storm, so all the human made weaponry pretty much viable.
Take note in the 4th book (Hells Faire) of the SheVa supertanks. These tanks fire projectiles, basically 16" diameter (a bit smaller than the 425mm AC) bars of depleted uranium, at relativistic velocities by "igniting" a huge plasma blast behind the projectile. It still uses a propellant, but it resembles gunpowder the same way that, say, a nuclear warhead resembles a flaming arrow.
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Sappho Ajhannis
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.09.10 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kolatha
There are other ways to fire projectiles that don't use explosives, at least not in the sense that you are thinking.
....These tanks fire projectiles, basically 16" diameter (a bit smaller than the 425mm AC) bars of depleted uranium, at relativistic velocities by "igniting" a huge plasma blast behind the projectile. It still uses a propellant, but it resembles gunpowder the same way that, say, a nuclear warhead resembles a flaming arrow.
Hmm, not really. Plasmas don't travel at relatavistic velocities unless you're acelerating the constituent ions somehow (using electromagnets or whatever), in which case you might as well just accelerate the projectile directly (a la railguns).
When trying to throw stuff out at above conventional speeds, it's the maximum velocity of the propellant (dictated by the gas laws) that's important. You can't push something faster than the speed of what's pushing it is going. Once you've reached that maximum, adding extra energy just lets you fire a bigger projectile at that max velocity.
The highest you can get is around 7-8 km/s using a second light gas stage after the explosive, so instant damage for arties in eve is a bit of a fudge (but it's a game, so what the hell).
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.09.10 11:04:00 -
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9/10. Could've been perfect if you hadn't referred to lasers as ewar, but other than that the level of idiocy was spot on.
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Janice Jankowski
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Posted - 2009.09.10 12:26:00 -
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Cool, amarr anre now the ewar kings, mostly they use lasers
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.09.10 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sappho Ajhannis
The highest you can get is around 7-8 km/s using a second light gas stage after the explosive, so instant damage for arties in eve is a bit of a fudge (but it's a game, so what the hell).
My bad, after just re-reading it wasn't that gun that did the relativistic speeds it was a rail gun from a different part of the book. But my point still remains, that you can use other methods to propel your kinetic missile that don't rely on the conventional gunpowder/high explosive method we use now.
As for the velocity of plasma, you can achieve much higher plasma velocity than 7-8km/s. I don't claim to know the ins and out of the science but I've read articles putting plasma speeds in the 10's of km/s range with contemporary technology. MPD thrusters (different form of plasma, I know, but still in the same playing field) can achieve plasma exhaust speeds in the 100km/s range using a constant energy input (so in game terms, grid use but no cap).
So the potential is there to use something like a plasma blast to propel a kinetic object at a high velocity. Throw in 10 thousand years of development and you get kinetic weapons that can go toe to toe with energy weapons, like blasters, railguns and lasers.
I tried to find some of the articles from journals I have read but most plasma physics articles referring to plasma velocity are stuck on sites that require hefty subscriptions to view. Or they refer to blood plasma which doesn't really work that well as a high explosive propellant.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.09.10 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Janice Jankowski Cool, amarr anre now the ewar kings, mostly they use lasers
Confirming that Amarr are the EWar kings, because they use lasers.
Still not sure if the OP is a troll or simply stupid. Anyways, in an attempt to be moderately constructive... If you wanted a Minmatar EWar battleship, then I would go with a web range bonus. That would be a very useful PvP bonus.
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Grann Thefauto
Spook Division BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.09.10 14:56:00 -
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Came looking for synergy, leaving with absurd suggestions instead.
I like puppies.
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2009.09.10 15:48:00 -
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As many of you may know Gregory House has admitted himself to an institution for drug rehab. (for you that don't, Dr. Gregory House is an abusive, sarcastic, know-it-all diagnostic physician, the main character in a TV series.)
Despite his boss and close friend imploring him to get help, what finally convinced him to take that drastic step was that he had trained Minmatar Battleship to 4, and Large Projectile Specialization to 3.
The new season starts soon, and we'll just have to wait until then to see if he trained Caldari or Amarr BS, or is agonizing over Typhoon E-war fits.
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Joethelions
Caldari Universal Order Utopian Order
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Posted - 2009.09.10 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Zemi Dahut Edited by: Zemi Dahut on 10/09/2009 06:36:25 Domis are ewar boats now?
Wait, Geddons do ewar?
yeah, ewar is electronic warfare. lasers obviously run on electricity and are used in war so it is considered electronic warfare imo.
also, drones are electronic. how do you think they move and stuff?
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.09.10 20:46:00 -
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i use The Force to move mine
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Hola, esta forum es ingles solamente.
This forum is English only. Welcome to my lock. Now please, zip your pants. I don't need a show.
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Sebastien LaForge
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.10 20:56:00 -
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And here I was hoping this would be about bringing other Ewar in line with ECM
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Red zeon
Caldari Circle of Shadows Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.09.11 01:08:00 -
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drones dont use cap, they are small rockets filled with gunpowder!
also since amarr are energy kings, would be awsoem giving em a lazor beam that gives like serious lol dmg, enough to kill an ibiz but then dmg the modules, the heat resist on the shield+armor/2=heat ressist. then that would be nice ewar for the amarrrzorz
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Joethelions
Caldari Universal Order Utopian Order
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Posted - 2009.09.11 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Je'Nann typhoon isnt ewar (minmatar use painters).
i no its not ewar thats why i made a thread lol
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Haunter Ace
Gallente Hybrid Stigmata
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Posted - 2009.09.11 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Joethelions
yeah, ewar is electronic warfare. lasers obviously run on electricity and are used in war so it is considered electronic warfare imo.
also, drones are electronic. how do you think they move and stuff?
You're entire understanding of ewar is flawed. I really hope you are trolling.
See posts above for examples of ewar *HINT* Drones and lasers aren't examples of ewar
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.09.11 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Moved from General Discussion.
shoulda been removed from the boards not just removed from GD
obvious troll is obvious ------------------------------
Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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