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Sybilla Prior
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Posted - 2009.09.10 20:26:00 -
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The title mostly says it all, I'm proposing that the entire production pipeline of Eve Online becomes transparent, so that we can see exactly what features are coming, how they are prioritised, how they are discarded or moved up or down the production pipeline, etc. etc. This will have several effects.
1: It'll decrease the feature suggestions a lot because I suspect a lot of features that are being suggested are allready in the pipeline anyway.
2: It'll make more clear to the playerbase what direction Eve is going in on the long run, and players will be better able to anticipate on those changes and plan ahead.
3: It'll make more clear how and why plans change or get canned, and what the overal design philosophy is.
CCP has always made it a big issue to be as transparent as possible, and I think I'm not the only one who really likes this about them. It's not only very educational, it also creates a very 'human' bond between the players and CCP as a company. I can understand that marketing-wise, opening up the production pipeline completely, appears like a big can of worms but I really think that the community can handle it well. CCP has been quite forthcoming with upcoming expansions so far, and I think it could be taken to the next level. I'm sure there are cons I'm overlooking, but by all means, tell me about them.
Note that I'm not saying that making the production pipeline transparent means players should have more influence over it, just that they can see what's going on.
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Smegnet Incorporated Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.09.10 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 10/09/2009 21:21:05 Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 10/09/2009 21:16:29 Nope. CCP, Blizzard, Valve and many other companies have 0 obligation to do this. Its called a "You do not get to talk about this feature until we decide you get to" paper. (Sorry, forgot the name.)
Want this changed? Good freaking luck. Its how businesses have always been run.
**EDIT** Btw, how much more transparency do you want? CCP is incredibly open with what they are releasing and look to the player base for comments, suggestions and more. But this is still not enough?! Geez...
--Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart - Closed
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.09.10 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 10/09/2009 21:19:25
Originally by: Sybilla Prior The title mostly says it all, I'm proposing that the entire production pipeline of Eve Online becomes transparent, so that we can see exactly what features are coming, how they are prioritised, how they are discarded or moved up or down the production pipeline, etc. etc. This will have several effects.
1: It'll decrease the feature suggestions a lot because I suspect a lot of features that are being suggested are allready in the pipeline anyway.
2: It'll make more clear to the playerbase what direction Eve is going in on the long run, and players will be better able to anticipate on those changes and plan ahead.
3: It'll make more clear how and why plans change or get canned, and what the overal design philosophy is.
CCP has always made it a big issue to be as transparent as possible, and I think I'm not the only one who really likes this about them. It's not only very educational, it also creates a very 'human' bond between the players and CCP as a company. I can understand that marketing-wise, opening up the production pipeline completely, appears like a big can of worms but I really think that the community can handle it well. CCP has been quite forthcoming with upcoming expansions so far, and I think it could be taken to the next level. I'm sure there are cons I'm overlooking, but by all means, tell me about them.
Note that I'm not saying that making the production pipeline transparent means players should have more influence over it, just that they can see what's going on.
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Please... go take your pipe dream somewhere else. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Sybilla Prior
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Posted - 2009.09.10 21:43:00 -
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So.... regardless of how unlikely it might be, would you like to see it happen?
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Smegnet Incorporated Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.09.10 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sybilla Prior So.... regardless of how unlikely it might be, would you like to see it happen?
Maybe, but I'm not wishing for it. I'd rather that CCP focus on releasing quality products than worrying about those that are buying it.
--Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart - Closed
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.09.10 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sybilla Prior So.... regardless of how unlikely it might be, would you like to see it happen?
The real question you need to ask is why we don't give a rip in the first place.
In truth... I don't.
I'm content with what I have/getting.
CCP is doing fine... its the yahoo's who go emo over the hint or suggestion of some sort of change without much thought or thinking who have the problem.
Granted there may be some glitches or bugs... but so far I've not had any earthshattering OMGWTF problems in the game. My experience has been mostly positive since I started playing EVE... as far as customer satisfaction.
Granted I'm not saying 100%
But I'm not going wacko/ape#### either. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Sybilla Prior
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Posted - 2009.09.10 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Sybilla Prior So.... regardless of how unlikely it might be, would you like to see it happen?
The real question you need to ask is why we don't give a rip in the first place.
In truth... I don't.
I'm content with what I have/getting.
CCP is doing fine... its the yahoo's who go emo over the hint or suggestion of some sort of change without much thought or thinking who have the problem.
Granted there may be some glitches or bugs... but so far I've not had any earthshattering OMGWTF problems in the game. My experience has been mostly positive since I started playing EVE... as far as customer satisfaction.
Granted I'm not saying 100%
But I'm not going wacko/ape#### either.
I'm not saying CCP are doing things wrong, far from it. I'm just interested and would like to see more of how and why they do things. To learn from. Making the production pipeline transparent isn't so we, the players, could correct anything. It's just intended to give additional insight.
You may not give a rip about it because your interests aren't the same as mine, and why would they be? Though would you lose anything if they did make the production pipeline transparent?
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.09.10 23:11:00 -
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Me? This has nothing to do with me.
I'm just a paying subscriber.
This has everything to do with CCP.
People tend to forget that CCP is in charge and "at large" when comes to EVE.
They choose to disclose or to not disclose... they choose to listen or to not listen.
The only power you have is whether you pay them or not.
your so called "freedom" ends right there.
When you take that prespective... you'll suddenly realize that demanding anything to do with EVE online that is not rationally within reason is pointless.
The CSM for example... people keep screaming disband because they are useless... they are shortsighted and refuse to accept the fact that CCP CHOSE to pick a select few people to listen too on top of the thousands of players in this game.
They did'nt say the CSM would have any power to do affect changes... they just get a front row seat to chat... but it stops there.
People can't be content with that... they want "moar" so they can complain/whine/gripe about any number of things.
Those who report bugs and exploits are never satisfied due to the fact that everyone has an opinion on the matter.
Furthermore... transparent production line? To what end? To complain more about stuff that may or may not get in the game?
Do you even have an inkling of an idea of how game development works? It's much like trying to build something from scratch... your going to run into a ton of mistakes... failed ideas...and other garbage.
do you really want to add that kind of fuel to the epic fail-ness that tends to clutter up the boards?
I apologize if I'm harsh... but like Isaac over yonder... some of us "thinker trolls" grow tired of breaking of baseball bats when people gripe over the most stupidest things.
Point and case- the Titan rumor... a rumor... no CCP dev logs.... no posts in the eve forums. Just a referenced article that could have been painted or spotlighted to look like anything.
And things can change rapidly in EVE... we have no right to judge or predict. Transparency would tempt everyone to become a serious pain in CCP's side.
They have enough stress to put up with.
They reserve the right to hide the greater intent of there plans.
And don't kid yourself... they are in it to make money... and they know that ****ing off there clientele as a whole (not the one idiot in every crowd) is not a good idea.
We got plenty to complain about as it is... CCP will not open pandoras box for satisfaction of full disclosure. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Dirty Wizard
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Posted - 2009.09.11 06:35:00 -
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One of the main problems is stolen ideas. Although there are very few sci fi MMOs out there, it still doesn't prevent other MMO developers from stealing core concepts and tossing them in their games.
Case in point: Blizzard. Blizzard steals just about any and every idea other MMOs conceive of. They're not good at developing original content, only stealing and improving content from other games.
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.09.11 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sybilla Prior
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Sybilla Prior So.... regardless of how unlikely it might be, would you like to see it happen?
The real question you need to ask is why we don't give a rip in the first place.
In truth... I don't.
I'm content with what I have/getting.
CCP is doing fine... its the yahoo's who go emo over the hint or suggestion of some sort of change without much thought or thinking who have the problem.
Granted there may be some glitches or bugs... but so far I've not had any earthshattering OMGWTF problems in the game. My experience has been mostly positive since I started playing EVE... as far as customer satisfaction.
Granted I'm not saying 100%
But I'm not going wacko/ape#### either.
I'm not saying CCP are doing things wrong, far from it. I'm just interested and would like to see more of how and why they do things. To learn from. Making the production pipeline transparent isn't so we, the players, could correct anything. It's just intended to give additional insight.
You may not give a rip about it because your interests aren't the same as mine, and why would they be? Though would you lose anything if they did make the production pipeline transparent?
I think what you want is to run for CSM.
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Sybilla Prior
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Posted - 2009.09.12 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Uronksur Suth
Originally by: Sybilla Prior
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Sybilla Prior So.... regardless of how unlikely it might be, would you like to see it happen?
The real question you need to ask is why we don't give a rip in the first place.
In truth... I don't.
I'm content with what I have/getting.
CCP is doing fine... its the yahoo's who go emo over the hint or suggestion of some sort of change without much thought or thinking who have the problem.
Granted there may be some glitches or bugs... but so far I've not had any earthshattering OMGWTF problems in the game. My experience has been mostly positive since I started playing EVE... as far as customer satisfaction.
Granted I'm not saying 100%
But I'm not going wacko/ape#### either.
I'm not saying CCP are doing things wrong, far from it. I'm just interested and would like to see more of how and why they do things. To learn from. Making the production pipeline transparent isn't so we, the players, could correct anything. It's just intended to give additional insight.
You may not give a rip about it because your interests aren't the same as mine, and why would they be? Though would you lose anything if they did make the production pipeline transparent?
I think what you want is to run for CSM.
That IS one way of getting to see CCP's inner workings up close. Who knows, I might do so.
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Aethrwolf
Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers
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Posted - 2009.09.12 06:40:00 -
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go ahead and run.. I'll probably vote for Drake before I'd vote for you.
I'll take my desire for EVE to be unique over my desire to know everything they're working on any day. Dont want to see some other game try to rush in a feature that CCP told us they were thinking about and screw it up so badly the the playerbase goes completely up in flames to the point that CCP has to drop what might have been a really good idea. Absolutely everything is subjective. |
Sybilla Prior
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Posted - 2009.09.12 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aethrwolf go ahead and run.. I'll probably vote for Drake before I'd vote for you.
I'll take my desire for EVE to be unique over my desire to know everything they're working on any day. Dont want to see some other game try to rush in a feature that CCP told us they were thinking about and screw it up so badly the the playerbase goes completely up in flames to the point that CCP has to drop what might have been a really good idea.
Well, way I see it, if I ran for CSM, it wouldn't matter what I wanted the game to be, I wouldn't be there to convince CCP of my own ideas, but of the playerbase's ideas. That appears to be what the CSM is for, from my perspective. They are, after all, the player's representatives. Not their own representatives.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.09.12 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Aethrwolf go ahead and run.. I'll probably vote for Drake before I'd vote for you.
I'll take my desire for EVE to be unique over my desire to know everything they're working on any day. Dont want to see some other game try to rush in a feature that CCP told us they were thinking about and screw it up so badly the the playerbase goes completely up in flames to the point that CCP has to drop what might have been a really good idea.
That I didn't expect. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
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