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Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.06.07 03:41:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:I'll admit that I, apparently erroneously, assumed you were referring to suicide ganking but the conversation seemed to revolve around tornados which excel as suicide ganking ships due to their alpha.
The link you posted in response was not a suicide gank so I addressed that directly for the merits it contained, but then you went back to tornados, which led me to believe you were back on the subject of "suicide" ganking vs combat in general, though how that Itty V vs. Megathron fight counts as a gank I'm not sure as the mega chose (foolishly) to engage IIRC.
This doesn't, however negate the point that fitting accordingly to the task you are trying to accomplish is usually a good decision. I still don't see how doing so qualifies as a poor decision. Mission runners typically have to deal with sustained incoming damage more than a sudden alpha so concentrating on EHP in particular doesn't make sense. How is this fundamentally wrong?
Maybe you have an explanation that relies on something other than insults?
They don't have to deal with sustained damage from 8-12 tornados. And yes, I am referring to suicide ganking.
Please stop, you are hurting my brain. You don't know |
Slow P Oke
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.06.07 03:56:00 -
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EVE NEWS: DEGREN SAYS "Yes, you can totally gank mission ships." CAREBEARS COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK TO TRY TO SAY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
209
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Posted - 2012.06.07 04:36:00 -
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oh goodiy!! can we do noob ship-a-geddon next...... and shuttle-a-geddon.. and I got it! Jovian-a-geddon. and then ....
this is just transparent.. sorry. It's dumb. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Dead On Arrival Alliance
378
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Posted - 2012.06.07 04:55:00 -
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Drowning in tears. So many delicious tears and hard men in ratmobiles. Om nom nom. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
137
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Posted - 2012.06.07 05:36:00 -
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Slow P Oke wrote:EVE NEWS: DEGREN SAYS "Yes, you can totally gank mission ships." CAREBEARS COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK TO TRY TO SAY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE
I doubt anyone with a brain would say it can't be done - "in theory". Just that your "geddon" types will find it too expensive and takes both way too much time and cooperation with other "like minded" types to pull it off.
"in theory" a highsec alliance could form up enough people in secret to go to SOV space and knock down an entire region's SOV status in 1 day.
Plenty out here would cheer either type of effort - with respect to their interests. Just don't expect too many to jump on the bandwagon and go running out to try either of the above.
it's nice to dream and theory craft at times about such things so let's not trample your dreams.
Go for it! |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Dead On Arrival Alliance
380
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Posted - 2012.06.07 06:10:00 -
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Well, Mocram just exposed himself as an iggernant hisec carebear. One does not simply go to sov space and flip sov in one day. The RF timers on Ihubs, SBU's and stations dictate that it takes a minimum of about 7 days to flip one system.
Unless, of course, one was refering to one's own experience with the game, as perforce one has spent all of it within the padded cell that is EVE Uni, within hisec, learning everything there is to know about sov grinding from fellow inmates? The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1300
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Posted - 2012.06.07 09:11:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Well, Mocram just exposed himself as an iggernant hisec carebear. One does not simply go to sov space and flip sov in one day. The RF timers on Ihubs, SBU's and stations dictate that it takes a minimum of about 7 days to flip one system. Unless, of course, one was refering to one's own experience with the game, as perforce one has spent all of it within the padded cell that is EVE Uni, within hisec, learning everything there is to know about sov grinding from fellow inmates? I remember when E-Uni took a "class" to go teach some nubs about how sov worked. Only, none of them actually had a clue how it worked and they got their own TCU flipped on them by a guy in a cheetah. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1185
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:29:00 -
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drdxie wrote:you will have at max 20seconds to kill the victim before concord shows up. You are not going to neut him\her out and kill them in that time, it will have to be an alpha strike. But curious to know your testing out come
Well, I tested it, turns out I was massively overestimating the difficulty of level fours.
My only real PvE experience is in WHs, and the higher level plexes. Turns out in level fours in a T3 you can turn your booster off for extended periods of time and nothing bad will come of it.
Ahh well, was worth a try.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
803
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:36:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Well, Mocram just exposed himself as an iggernant hisec carebear. One does not simply go to sov space and flip sov in one day. The RF timers on Ihubs, SBU's and stations dictate that it takes a minimum of about 7 days to flip one system. Unless, of course, one was refering to one's own experience with the game, as perforce one has spent all of it within the padded cell that is EVE Uni, within hisec, learning everything there is to know about sov grinding from fellow inmates? I remember when E-Uni took a "class" to go teach some nubs about how sov worked. Only, none of them actually had a clue how it worked and they got their own TCU flipped on them by a guy in a cheetah. Wonder how many NPC Null systems they tried to SBU first. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
59
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:39:00 -
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This thread show that only a few actually care about the "real" ganking.
Ganking a missioner requires an effort. Ganking a miner doesn't. Those not willing to participate in this, but only against defenceless ships are worse than carebears. |
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Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
19
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:40:00 -
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Degren wrote:Spineker wrote:Oh but you think your special for ganking people. Using 10 people to kill a hauler or a hulk. So badass dude so badass I need your picture to hang on the wall. Such internet warriors you people are. I would not kill a Hulk or a hauler I found in low sec because there is not thrill in it. Man, so many tears, and I didn't even gank anybody. Nor have I. You're just so mad, it's adorable.
Why are you considering it tears when he is calling you a chickenshit ?? |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
803
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:43:00 -
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Dors Venabily wrote:Why are you considering it tears when he is calling you a chickenshit ?? Tears are proof that someone had an emotional response. Calling someone chickenshit on an internet forum is pretty solid proof that someone is mad.
Hence, tears. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
138
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:54:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Well, Mocram just exposed himself as an iggernant hisec carebear. One does not simply go to sov space and flip sov in one day. The RF timers on Ihubs, SBU's and stations dictate that it takes a minimum of about 7 days to flip one system. Unless, of course, one was refering to one's own experience with the game, as perforce one has spent all of it within the padded cell that is EVE Uni, within hisec, learning everything there is to know about sov grinding from fellow inmates? I remember when E-Uni took a "class" to go teach some nubs about how sov worked. Only, none of them actually had a clue how it worked and they got their own TCU flipped on them by a guy in a cheetah. A bit off-topic but I'll go ahead.
As you say. It was a snicker moment - as for a class. Naw, that was a "lets go pick a fight with big guys and see what happens. Fly with a clean clone!". (Russian group held SOV there and they tend to be a scrappy sort. Fun trivia: That outpost there? The uni helped build it "back in the day" when the uni was out of nullsec -- long before my time.)
OUtside of that, I have messed with it a bit on SiSi before - when we do some classes on SOV, caps and such and parts are done on SiSi at times. "Safe" while you run folks around and CCP has some fully upgraded systems so we can show what the different upgrade levels look like/benefits, etc. while explaining them.
"In theory" - it can be done in about a day - flipping it neutral vs owned. In practice? Hell no. Part of the impossible outside of theory.
SBU goes up, reinforce the IHUB or what not - come back tomorrow to blow it up the rest of the way except they are dual reinforced so you can't do it really in 1 day - it takes 2 unless...
Unless you have an idiot or spy/traitor as a Director type in the owning group who specifies a shorter time window to come out of reinforced then, "in theory" - you can pop it in about 1 day. Lots of theoretical to get it done - system by system across a region. Wouldn't you agree?
PS: That SBU flip was a real /facepalm moment. They don't say that during anchoring the friggn thing can be flipped by a wiley pilot in a frigate, but it can... We popped the bad one, set another up... got bored waiting 3 hrs -- left. The details are on our KB. Pretty boring stuff sitting around like that.
The russians did show up later and blew it to hell and gone pretty fast - a few capitals and super carriers, with support, but it was a bit late so there weren't any uni really around at those hours. Gotta love time-zone issues. It would have been fun. I don't usually get in on those "let's go get blown up" big-ship runs. They're only done every few months is all and that would have been my first time getting to do one. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2012.06.07 11:02:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Just out of interest has anyone tried suicide-neuting mission runners?
I'm thinking about testing this on the test server, but am I right in thinking that you could probably kill a tengu purely by webbing, neuting and target painting it during it's mission?
You can always try, it might work on badly ftted and low skills pilot.
brb |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1187
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Posted - 2012.06.07 11:13:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Just out of interest has anyone tried suicide-neuting mission runners?
I'm thinking about testing this on the test server, but am I right in thinking that you could probably kill a tengu purely by webbing, neuting and target painting it during it's mission? You can always try, it might work on badly ftted and low skills pilot. Yeah, I must admit I've tested this now and it didn't work. But this was tested on my WH Tengu, which has perfect skills, 30k EHP and the capacitor reservoir engineering subsytem.
I might try it again later on a cheaper T2/partial deadspace fit and see what happens.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
673
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Posted - 2012.06.07 14:01:00 -
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So far this is looking to be the best investment I've ever made. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Zanza Mechonis
Vulkan Innovations Valiant Star Operations
1
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Posted - 2012.06.07 14:10:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:So far this is looking to be the best investment I've ever made.
Maybe you should become the new trololo guy... ;P "On the internet you can be anything you want... It's strange that many people choose to be stupid." |
Eyezpiddydafooh
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.06.07 14:28:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:So far this is looking to be the best investment I've ever made.
No, your best investment was the kneepads for when your smooching Goon ass, it has kept you from years of damage to bone structure. |
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:27:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Niena Nuamzzar wrote:Neuting capabilities are not the on... first reason why i've mentioned Bhaalgorn. I'm sure you know there's more to it Neuting capabilities are what? And why would you suicide gank in a pirate faction BS, that's just silly. You have a good understanding of indirect questions, which is nice. I've got your answer here though, good luck webbing Tengu with Tornado and Cane |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1188
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:39:00 -
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Niena Nuamzzar wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Niena Nuamzzar wrote:Neuting capabilities are not the on... first reason why i've mentioned Bhaalgorn. I'm sure you know there's more to it Neuting capabilities are what? And why would you suicide gank in a pirate faction BS, that's just silly. You have a good understanding of indirect questions, which is nice. I've got your answer here though, good luck webbing Tengu with Tornado and Cane Erm, standard cane fit has a web? And tank doesn't matter, as shown by Tippia's blog on concord response times tank is irrelevant to how fast you explode. Plenty of space for webs/TPs.
Unless you mean range, in which case who cares? Web range is around the same as medium neut range, and a cane/tornado both go helluva lot faster than a PvE tengu.
I still honestly don't understand what point you are trying to make. I get the impression that you believe webbing a tengu would be difficult? Trust me, it isn't, I kill them in low sec all the time.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
154
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:12:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:What is it with pubbies and awful contests with even worse prizes?
Every good post I visit today has already bin taken =(
ezh, +1 |
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:48:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: I get the impression that you believe webbing a tengu would be difficult? Trust me, it isn't, I kill them in low sec all the time.
You and what army? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1188
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:21:00 -
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Niena Nuamzzar wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: I get the impression that you believe webbing a tengu would be difficult? Trust me, it isn't, I kill them in low sec all the time.
You and what army? My personal army of alts and awoxxers.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Gerrards
Cosmological Ventures
0
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:26:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Dors Venabily wrote:Why are you considering it tears when he is calling you a chickenshit ?? Tears are proof that someone had an emotional response. Calling someone chickenshit on an internet forum is pretty solid proof that someone is mad. Hence, tears.
You sound like a **** but I feel emotionally empty writing it. Is that tears ? |
SabotNoob
Sabot Industries
50
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:32:00 -
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So where are we with this? Has it started? Any updates on the number of high sec mission runners ganked/baited yet? |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:43:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Just out of interest has anyone tried suicide-neuting mission runners?
I'm thinking about testing this on the test server, but am I right in thinking that you could probably kill a tengu purely by webbing, neuting and target painting it during it's mission? You can always try, it might work on badly ftted and low skills pilot. Yeah, I must admit I've tested this now and it didn't work. But this was tested on my WH Tengu, which has perfect skills, 30k EHP and the capacitor reservoir engineering subsytem. I might try it again later on a cheaper T2/partial deadspace fit and see what happens.
I don't know if your WH has some negative effects on your ship, shields or resists but a normal setup should give you about 40K global ehp and a much larger buffer if specific dmg type
Actually to make it work you can't do it other way than immobilise the ship (tengu) and immediately apply about 45k Alpha, but in high sec this means either is a guy afk/noob skills or concord exploit brb |
EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:36:00 -
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Slow P Oke wrote:EVE NEWS: DEGREN SAYS "Yes, you can totally gank mission ships." CAREBEARS COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK TO TRY TO SAY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE
Ive been telling him to put his money where his mouth is actually.
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
681
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:08:00 -
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Eyezpiddydafooh wrote:masternerdguy wrote:So far this is looking to be the best investment I've ever made. No, your best investment was the kneepads for when your smooching Goon ass, it has kept you from years of damage to bone structure.
Aaaw shucks sweetie. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
strikethree
Purple Passion Procurements
24
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:41:00 -
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Greyscale Dash wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Isn't that a lot of expense for the chance to win one plex? Sure, you have the chance of some drops, but you're still looking at a lot of upfront cost, unlike ganking a hulk or mackinaw.
And people gank hulks for profit
A semi-tanked hulk will have about 11k EHP. A well tanked tengu will have at least double that. A well tanked faction battleship might have 60k or more EHP.
Which ship would you go after if a scan revealed a pure T2 fitting?
Note that a single tempest with 1400s and gyros can easily do 11k alfa even without T2 guns or T2 ammo. The question then becomes, "What can I gank with the least amount of cost to me since the likelihood of external reward is so small?"
I think the hulk becomes the overwhelmingly obvious choice if ganking is required. :)
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strikethree
Purple Passion Procurements
24
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:57:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Niena Nuamzzar wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: You can fit neuts on anything, it's a PvE T3, you can cap it out in a few cycles even with medium neuts.
Neuting capabilities are not the on... first reason why i've mentioned Bhaalgorn. I'm sure you know there's more to it Neuting capabilities are what? And why would you suicide gank in a pirate faction BS, that's just silly. My point is that even my rather shiny wh tengu only has ~2,700 capacitor capacity. And that's with the cap reservoir subsystem and a capacitor battery, since it runs at ~50% cap stable you could easily cap it out with medium neuts. A regular tengu would be capped out even faster. Makes me think two gank canes with neuts would actually be better for killing t3s than tornados. Might be best with one cane and a tornado, or two canes and a tornado. I suppose it depends on the NPC DPS in the mission. But anyway, my observation was merely that you could probably gank a T3 more effectively with neuts than alpha or pure DPS. I'll have to test it on sisi later with my alts.
I saw your later response about this idea not working. Here is why...
First things first: neuting is a passive attack. It can be fairly useful but does no damage itself. When time is critical, as it obviously is when a CONCORD response is expected, the very first thing that needs to be considered is alfa.
This is not to say that neuting is useless. Far from it. Check my deaths out (yes, this really is my main character). Look for a suicide gank performed upon me by The Executioners. It was fast, very professional, and my tengu was dead before I was even certain there was a threat. They used a neut domi and 7 tempests. Please take note of the tempests. They were for alfa. The domi was not even needed since the tempests were dealing enough damage to go beyond my EHP.
I do not fly faction fits any more but that has made the game more boring. Actually, in a few days, I will not be flying anything any more at all. Enjoy the ganking.
Cheers.
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