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Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.04 23:48:00 -
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Will this ever be rectified? |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.04 23:54:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Will this ever be rectified?
I've often wondered about this too. There seems to be no constancy in sense of proportion.
One thing that particularly bugs me is that sometimes you get small ships with tons of windows giving an impression of large size, then you get large ships with fewer windows but they're bigger, making the ship look relatively smaller.
It all seems totally borked to me. It might help if there were set small, medium and large window sizes that could be constant throughout all ship design.
But then again, using windows to indicate scale is itself a bit of a fail (see virtually all the space stations). |
Selinate
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Posted - 2012.06.04 23:55:00 -
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what are you talking about? I'm pretty sure they are, perspective is just hard to gain in a game like this... |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
661
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Posted - 2012.06.04 23:57:00 -
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Selinate wrote:what are you talking about? I'm pretty sure they are, perspective is just hard to gain in a game like this...
So where exactly does a Hulk go when you scoop it to the maintenance bay of an Orca - hmmmm? |
Nostradamouse Riraille
Blackreach. SRS.
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Posted - 2012.06.04 23:58:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Selinate wrote:what are you talking about? I'm pretty sure they are, perspective is just hard to gain in a game like this... So where exactly does a Hulk go when you scoop it to the maintenance bay of an Orca - hmmmm? Space Magic |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.06.04 23:58:00 -
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Selinate wrote:what are you talking about? I'm pretty sure they are, perspective is just hard to gain in a game like this...
Yep like a battleship almost that big than a carrier side to side, when the carrier is supposed to be much bigger.
Or drones size, that one too
brb |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
800
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Posted - 2012.06.05 00:00:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Selinate wrote:what are you talking about? I'm pretty sure they are, perspective is just hard to gain in a game like this... So where exactly does a Hulk go when you scoop it to the maintenance bay of an Orca - hmmmm? The Orca is a Time Lord and the maintenance bay is its Tardis. |
Theon Togenada
Security Initiative
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Posted - 2012.06.05 00:15:00 -
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You can fit 3,900m3 worth of cargo into a container only 3,000m3 large and you want to talk about ship proportions? |
Mina Hiragi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.05 01:05:00 -
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Theon Togenada wrote:You can fit 3,900m3 worth of cargo into a container only 3,000m3 large and you want to talk about ship proportions?
New Eden's cargo handlers union is adept at shoving large grocery orders into tiny refrigerators. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1376
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Posted - 2012.06.05 01:20:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Selinate wrote:what are you talking about? I'm pretty sure they are, perspective is just hard to gain in a game like this... So where exactly does a Hulk go when you scoop it to the maintenance bay of an Orca - hmmmm?
Into the Orca.... noobs |
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Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.06.05 01:25:00 -
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Mina Hiragi wrote:Theon Togenada wrote:You can fit 3,900m3 worth of cargo into a container only 3,000m3 large and you want to talk about ship proportions? New Eden's cargo handlers union is adept at shoving large grocery orders into tiny refrigerators.
And they excel at Tetris.
Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |
Sugar Kyle
The humbleless Crew Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2012.06.05 01:27:00 -
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Sexyness factor of the Machariel is too great to be compressed into something the size of a normal battleship. Being 3/4 carrier size just works. Thank you space magic. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
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Posted - 2012.06.05 01:35:00 -
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Theon Togenada wrote:You can fit 3,900m3 worth of cargo into a container only 3,000m3 large and you want to talk about ship proportions? You ever put a fridge into a boot of a car?
That's what it looks like.
EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Selinate
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Posted - 2012.06.05 01:43:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Selinate wrote:what are you talking about? I'm pretty sure they are, perspective is just hard to gain in a game like this... So where exactly does a Hulk go when you scoop it to the maintenance bay of an Orca - hmmmm?
Well, most cargo containers in Eve are a lot bigger on inside as opposed to their outer dimensions. It's probably in the lore somewhere having things bigger on the inside. |
Peri Simone
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.06.05 02:14:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Well, most cargo containers in Eve are a lot bigger on inside as opposed to their outer dimensions. It's probably in the lore somewhere having things bigger on the inside.
Planck bubble generation
See also Applied Phlebotinum |
Alexa Coates
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.05 02:14:00 -
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It's probably using 4th dimensional stuff. or something. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Arch Stanton's Neighbour
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
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Posted - 2012.06.05 02:16:00 -
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I think it has something to do with ships having an absolute frame of reference and speed limit in space... |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies THE UNTHINKABLES
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Posted - 2012.06.05 03:00:00 -
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god made it so |
nat longshot
New Eden Inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:01:00 -
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machariel is 1,936 m long axis Thanatos 2,276 m long axis Raven 806m long axis.
park a mach along a thanatos the carrier just a hair longer to the size is right park a raven next to a mach the raven is less then half the size of the mach so size in game is right.
Read the stats of the before post something like this know your facts.
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Hermia
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:03:00 -
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For me its just general ship design (art direction) that is wrong.
Ships where the basic hull is not symmetrical = Ugly to humans
Ships with weird thruster placements = Mechanically incorrect, ugly
Ship skins with too many windows = Scale problem as previously mentioned
Ship spot lights = Constantly beam with inconsistent directions
Most of the unfortunates are legacy designs from 2003. Funny how designs after launch tend to follow the rules better. So yeah, would be nice to have the old hulls updated, the MOA (an extraordinarily ugly ship) should be first in line.
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Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:06:00 -
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nat longshot wrote:machariel is 1,936 m long axis Thanatos 2,276 m long axis Raven 806m long axis.
park a mach along a thanatos the carrier just a hair longer to the size is right park a raven next to a mach the raven is less then half the size of the mach so size in game is right.
Read the stats of the before post something like this know your facts.
Nat, we're not talking about the model-to-model proportions. They're correct, as far as I can tell.
What everybody is talking about is, essentially, the texture scaling - if you look at a frigate while you're flying it, and then look at a capital when you're flying it, chances are that they're going to look around the same size, simply by merit of the texture (window size, greebles, etc...).
Larger ships kind of need larger-res textures and smaller details to make them actually seem big, while shuttles don't really need lines of lights along the side that make them look a couple hundred meters long.
Hermia wrote:For me its just general ship design (art direction) that is wrong.
Ships where the basic hull is not symmetrical = Ugly to humans Ships with weird thruster placements = Mechanically incorrect, ugly Ship skins with too many windows = Scale problem as previously mentioned Ship spot lights = Constantly beam with inconsistent directions
Most of the unfortunates are legacy designs from 2003. Funny how designs after launch tend to follow the rules better. So yeah, would be nice to have the old hulls updated, the MOA (an extraordinarily ugly ship) should be first in line. I agree with most of this as well. I'm still flip-flopping on which ship line to fly this time around, as most of them really annoy me, and I don't know which I can see myself flying without going insane (though, to be honest, this game has helped me take steps away from my love of symmetry... Mechwarrior helped previously). Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |
nat longshot
New Eden Inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:14:00 -
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Hermia wrote:For me its just general ship design (art direction) that is wrong.
Ships where the basic hull is not symmetrical = Ugly to humans
Ships with weird thruster placements = Mechanically incorrect, ugly
Ship skins with too many windows = Scale problem as previously mentioned
Ship spot lights = Constantly beam with inconsistent directions
Most of the unfortunates are legacy designs from 2003. Funny how designs after launch tend to follow the rules better. So yeah, would be nice to have the old hulls updated, the MOA (an extraordinarily ugly ship) should be first in line.
first off you dont need symmetrical ships in space no air to change the way they handle. Cal ship know this use that fact yes to the eye there ulgy but work quite will in space given there no air to change the way they handle.
As for the windows really who cares have you seen amarr ships have alot less windows then say cal ships for the fact amarr ships have thicker armor witch in turn mean they have less windows to see out of were cal ship are shield tankers with less armor and more windows.
Thruster placement do you now the weight of each part of the ship and the pounds of thrust the thruster gives? 2nd are you someone with the know how to give the statement "mechanically incorrect," your thruster placment can be and will be diffent given your in space and no air.
spotlight really do you really care about that?
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Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:24:00 -
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Actually, ships would have to be symmetrical in some respects in space. You would have to take centers of mass and engine placement or strength into account. You can estimate the latter. if appearances aren't deceiving (low thrust - low glow, high thrust - high glow, etc).
It's perfectly plausible that you could have an asymmetric - structurally speaking - ship in space... and you seem to be alluding to this, Nat. But, in my opinion, many of the ships in Eve go beyond this to the point of making you wonder if there's any way they could ever buzz about as they do, being as unbalanced as they are. Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |
Hermia
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:33:00 -
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Yeah that's really the point, a lot of ships are asymmetric for the sake of being asymmetric or art direction they call it. Most people swoon over the symmetrical ones, its just telling.
Obviously not not calling out every ship on bad thruster placements, just a few that i can think of would spin in circles if eve had real physics. The frig hull type of stilleto would spin in circles. |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
663
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:37:00 -
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Well for the way an Orca looks I see no way for it to hold a hulk. Unless it is using some sort of quantum physics to shrink the ship three is no place it can physically fit in an Orca. Maybe CCP needs to makethe ORca model a bit bigger and the Hulk a bit smaller. |
Culmen
0utLaw. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:39:00 -
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Hermia wrote:
Obviously not not calling out every ship on bad thruster placements, just a few that i can think of would spin in circles if eve had real physics. The frig hull type of stilleto would spin in circles.
The Stilleto is at least moderately symmetrical. If you want a ship that should spin, look at the Crow.
That thing should constantly be spinning left and up. There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |
Johnny Augustus
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:51:00 -
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Hermia wrote:Ships where the basic hull is not symmetrical = Ugly to humans
Hey now, speak for yourself. I think those asymmetrical ships look awesome, and I like to think of myself as human... |
Hermia
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.05 04:57:00 -
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i usually talk in averages.
Fact is this stuff has been mentioned for years. I thought i would sound up today since the CSM managed to pressure the devs into redesigning the silly starter ships. So you never know!
But yes, you probably are human and covet your asymmetry as much as CCP . |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
665
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Posted - 2012.06.05 05:06:00 -
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Want to talk fugly ships, look at the Crucifier. That is a fugly ship. |
Ituhata Saken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
245
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Posted - 2012.06.05 05:16:00 -
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I haven't checked in a while, but I remember I used to get really annoyed by the ship sizes. I can't remember which way it goes, but if you move from a frigate to say, a battlecruiser, when you were in one the size looked fine by reference. But when you hopped in the other, the ships were nearly the same size by reference.
You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
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