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Rasli
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Posted - 2009.09.11 14:03:00 -
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Hi, I am trying to decide what ship to train towards that has a chance to go up against a blob and yet still gets kills before successfully escape (with great piloting skill of course). Does such a ship exist? I am thinking about vagabond because of its ability to dictate range and speed etc. Any suggestions will be really appreciated.
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Stygian Knight
Bannable Offense. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.09.11 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Stygian Knight on 11/09/2009 14:20:23 you are not gonna escape if blobbed properly, no matter what ship you take.
answer is every ship,and neither ship.
if u wanna show balls against the blob. Use max skilled drake with 3x damage mods, heavy assaults, and scram, and after u die you get insurance, but you can take one t2 ship with you.
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Xikorita
Mob Thought
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Posted - 2009.09.11 14:46:00 -
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sniper zealot?
Taranis at 100+km and get the ceptors/stranglers?
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.11 14:54:00 -
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Depends on the blob, WAY to many variables.
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Ruby Khann
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Posted - 2009.09.11 15:30:00 -
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Titan.
Just do this before they change the DDD.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.09.11 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 11/09/2009 15:33:51 Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 11/09/2009 15:33:39 Titan with a Doomsday, until the nerf that is.
Time flux my ass, I wanted that joke.
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Swatyy
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.11 19:12:00 -
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It's possible. I'm one of many pilots involved in FW that play this game [Youtube.com]. Look on the Militia KBs for the top three corps in kills and then check the "solo kills" stats. Those people have both KMs and loss mails you will find useful.
Good hunting.
PIE. | Swatyy |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.09.11 20:23:00 -
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There are so many different variables it's imposable to say one good ship.
For BS's I don't think there is anything that can compete with the Domi as a solo pawn machine. The Domi is unique because it's like a swiss army knife and can deal out damage in many different forms allowing it to deal with most ship types solo.
For BC's you have a few choices.. The Harbi, Cane and Drake are all proven example of great ships that can solo well. The Brutix is dictated by range so much that I don't think it's a good solo ship (IMO) but can bring a lot of DPS to a small gang.
T2 cruisers I think the best two solo pawn machines are the Vaga and Curse with out much question as both have the GTFO ability which is very important when getting blobbed.
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Kovorix
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Posted - 2009.09.11 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Swatyy It's possible. I'm one of many pilots involved in FW that play this game [Youtube.com]. Look on the Militia KBs for the top three corps in kills and then check the "solo kills" stats. Those people have both KMs and loss mails you will find useful.
Good hunting.
PIE. | Swatyy
Swatyy. Get over yourself. Seriously. You are not, by any stretch of the imagination, the most impressive solo player. You were not fighting blobs. Check out Kil2, Darknesss, Kessah, Garmon, Violatohr, ect. ect. if you want to see some serious solo pvp.
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Forum Tr0ll
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Posted - 2009.09.12 01:03:00 -
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Yet were are your videos i am not saying he is the best but untill you post a video Stfu :)
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.09.12 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Tr0ll Yet were are your videos i am not saying he is the best but untill you post a video Stfu :)
It doesn't take a master of an art to note that someone else sucks at it. ----
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Toni Wonder
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Posted - 2009.09.12 07:41:00 -
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A ship with speed and or range.
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Toni Wonder
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Posted - 2009.09.12 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Tr0ll Yet were are your videos i am not saying he is the best but untill you post a video Stfu :)
HEY ROGER EBERT
STOP REVIEWING MOVIES I DONT SEE YOUR MOVIE
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Vladimir Nabokov
Rapid Response Rescue and Repair
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Posted - 2009.09.12 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kovorix
Originally by: Swatyy It's possible. I'm one of many pilots involved in FW that play this game [Youtube.com]. Look on the Militia KBs for the top three corps in kills and then check the "solo kills" stats. Those people have both KMs and loss mails you will find useful.
Good hunting.
PIE. | Swatyy
Swatyy. Get over yourself. Seriously. You are not, by any stretch of the imagination, the most impressive solo player. You were not fighting blobs. Check out Kil2, Darknesss, Kessah, Garmon, Violatohr, ect. ect. if you want to see some serious solo pvp.
How about you get over yourself? He's not claiming to be the most impressive solo player. He's simply showing that its possible to go solo, do well, and have fun--without having to be one of these other legendary solo pvpers you mentioned.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.09.12 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Nabokov
How about you get over yourself? He's not claiming to be the most impressive solo player. He's simply showing that its possible to go solo, do well, and have fun--without having to be one of these other legendary solo pvpers you mentioned.
Solo w/ a cov-ops alt, that is.
All he showed in his video is he knows how to scout properly. And lock targets to press F1-F2. Its an exceptionally poor video to showcase solo PvP.
He threw away any ability to escape PvP, to dictate range and to use his ship effectively by ditching an MWD and neglecting to fit a cap booster. He then compensated by using a 2nd account to make sure he could find inferior targets. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Roland Deschaines
Minmatar The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:51:00 -
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Stabber, Vagabond.
Ships with great active tanks (Cyclone, Myrm, Maelstrom)
-- Monsieur Rolly
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rasli Hi, I am trying to decide what ship to train towards that has a chance to go up against a blob and yet still gets kills before successfully escape (with great piloting skill of course). Does such a ship exist? I am thinking about vagabond because of its ability to dictate range and speed etc. Any suggestions will be really appreciated.
Any ship that has the ability to dictate the terms of engagement can do this. Vagabond, taranis etc work well for this. Watch out for falcons/rooks/ecm, since there's nothing you can do about that ceptor scramming you when you can't lock it :)
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Swatyy
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose All he showed in his video is he knows how to scout properly. And lock targets to press F1-F2. Its an exceptionally poor video to showcase solo PvP.
He threw away any ability to escape PvP, to dictate range and to use his ship effectively by ditching an MWD and neglecting to fit a cap booster. He then compensated by using a 2nd account to make sure he could find inferior targets.
I don't like to see hate for me derailing a useful thread for people wanting to try solo PvP. To the OP, consider the comments toward me absolutly true. I use an unconventional fit and employ tactics that *some* consider "unfair." And I do it successfully.
You can do it too. Just use your noggin and play your own game.
Adding to discussion, in a relevant way for the OP, you will notice a great deal of emphasis given to "dictating the range," and this is generally the loudest criticism of my Harbinger build.
I encourage the OP, an aspiring solo PvP artist, to consider circumstances where "dictating range" is or is not necessary. If you can do this, you have defined the type of engagements you are willing to fight, depending on your fit. As a practical matter, you also have necessary intl on the enemy before committing.
Putting those together, you *probably* won the fight before you hit the warp button irrespective of the odds. <--- key point right here.
Good luck!
PIE. | Swatyy
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Eli Porter
Amarr Altruism. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.09.12 19:20:00 -
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That's nice Swatyy, but OP was asking about solo PvP.
It might just be me, but using a covert alt to get warp-ins is no different than using a falcon alt to jam your target, in terms of it not being solo.
No disrespect though, I like the interesting and unconventional tactics you use.
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Kovorix
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Posted - 2009.09.12 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Swatyy
Originally by: Artemis Rose All he showed in his video is he knows how to scout properly. And lock targets to press F1-F2. Its an exceptionally poor video to showcase solo PvP.
He threw away any ability to escape PvP, to dictate range and to use his ship effectively by ditching an MWD and neglecting to fit a cap booster. He then compensated by using a 2nd account to make sure he could find inferior targets.
I don't like to see hate for me derailing a useful thread for people wanting to try solo PvP. To the OP, consider the comments toward me absolutly true. I use an unconventional fit and employ tactics that *some* consider "unfair." And I do it successfully.
You can do it too. Just use your noggin and play your own game.
Adding to discussion, in a relevant way for the OP, you will notice a great deal of emphasis given to "dictating the range," and this is generally the loudest criticism of my Harbinger build.
I encourage the OP, an aspiring solo PvP artist, to consider circumstances where "dictating range" is or is not necessary. If you can do this, you have defined the type of engagements you are willing to fight, depending on your fit. As a practical matter, you also have necessary intl on the enemy before committing.
Putting those together, you *probably* won the fight before you hit the warp button irrespective of the odds. <--- key point right here.
Good luck!
PIE. | Swatyy
It has nothing to do with fairness. The simple fact is that you are fitting your ship in a way which narrows your winnable engagements drastically, then engaging enemies that would have no hope of beating you no matter how you fit your harbinger, because they are in cruisers/frigs. Your movie is not a display of good pilot skill, which is the essence of solo pvp, so I don't think it should be followed as an example.
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Swatyy
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.12 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kovorix The simple fact is that you are fitting your ship in a way which narrows your winnable engagements drastically, then engaging enemies that would have no hope of beating you no matter how you fit your harbinger, because they are in cruisers/frigs.
I would like to understand your perspective better, hopefully learn from it, since we have very different opinions. Would you mind posting with your main so I can pull your KB mails? Korvorix doesn't have much of a record on the Militia boards or Battleclinic.
Thanks!
PIE. | Swatyy
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Kovorix
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Posted - 2009.09.12 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Swatyy
I would like to understand your perspective better, hopefully learn from it, since we have very different opinions. Would you mind posting with your main so I can pull your KB mails? Korvorix doesn't have much of a record on the Militia boards or Battleclinic.
Thanks!
PIE. | Swatyy
This is my current main. battleclinic should have some stuff, here's a link with most of my recent kills/losses: http://www.spacejerk.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=6943
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Clone757
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Posted - 2009.09.14 23:25:00 -
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Is this about which **** is bigger? Guys is mmo play the way you CAN and not how someone tell you to play. Best ships jaguar and vaga. Jaguar is just crazy awesome for solo pvp (that if you target donĘt call for help) but I know someone on test that is raping any T2 frig gangs and can easy take 3 vs 1.
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Spectre3353
Gallente The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.09.15 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Spectre3353 on 15/09/2009 14:28:19 I second whoever said "Dominix" above. Cheap, insurable and extremely flexible depending on how you fit it. A little bit weak on the DPS until you have the SP in drones to make full use of it but still a sweet ship.
...and to jump in on the e-peen fest, I've seen Kov do some pretty nasty **** solo in a Domi/Cyclone. Additionally he makes some of the most logical and well thought out posts on these forums. He is also dead sexy and Crow's spontaneously implode at the mere sight of him in an Incursus.
Pip pip, cheerio. ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog |
Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.09.15 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Swatyy You can do it too. Just use your noggin and play your own game.
By definition, giving up the ability to move is a prime example of NOT using your noggin. Even more so not fitting a cap injector on a ship w/ huge cap demands.
What do you do if say, something like a BS shows up (say, an Armageddon). You'll be slow enough he'll easily hit and explode you and his neut will wreck havoc on your cap. Now, fit an MWD and see what happens on this situation. You MWD effortlessly out of his point range, and live to fight another day.
Quote: I encourage the OP, an aspiring solo PvP artist, to consider circumstances where "dictating range" is or is not necessary. If you can do this, you have defined the type of engagements you are willing to fight, depending on your fit. As a practical matter, you also have necessary intl on the enemy before committing.
I've won and survived more solo PvP battles by having an MWD than you can make movies. Things like ganking the obvious bait and MWDing out of range of the blob, using an MWD to kite short range ships.
Good for you, you are having success. All the power to you. If you had a better fit, you'd be much be much more flexible, maybe so you don't need a 2nd account just to survive. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
reslinal rock
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Posted - 2009.09.15 20:39:00 -
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Thanks everyone for the advices. So it seems a vagabond/stabber fleet issue would be a good choice (I can only fly minmatar right now)? What about sniper BS or HACs? For Kovorix and Artemis, what ships would you recommend? Thank you for the help!
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Joe Stalin
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Posted - 2009.09.15 22:44:00 -
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I suggest a stealth bomber. Warp in on a stationary blob cloaked, approach to about 15-20km of a cluster of frigs within the blob, decloak and bombs away. Then warp away absolutely immediately. With any luck the frigs will be trying to save their own lives instead of trying to tackle you.
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.16 06:42:00 -
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sniper BS can't prevent prey from warping out in time. slow lock speed. and slow warpout time means enemy blob can easily get a warp-in on you with a cov ops, tackle and gank you.
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2009.09.16 11:55:00 -
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to fight blobs you need - speed - lots of dps
lure things off, kill them before they can react/get help.
I find taranis (with dual propulsion for gtfo when scrammed) works best for this. see Garmons guide here for good tips and fittings: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1146401
vagabonds can work but are screwed if they get tackled by something small with a nos under their guns (hard to keep many tacklers off you), or just plain screwed if they dont have a neut on.
nanoed hurricanes with dual neuts are pretty fast and surprisingly efficient against dumber blobs, but is more suitable when fighting outnumbered against say 3-4 guys. than trying to pick people off from 40 man gangs.
curse is pretty good due to neuts murdering tacklers, but quite fragile and not as fast/agile as a vagabond. also people run liek hell from curses or blob them harder. its a psychology issue. Reward small gang/solo pvp!
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DONJUAN v
Tarnak inc. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.09.16 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Clone757 Is this about which **** is bigger? Guys is mmo play the way you CAN and not how someone tell you to play. Best ships jaguar and vaga. Jaguar is just crazy awesome for solo pvp (that if you target donĘt call for help) but I know someone on test that is raping any T2 frig gangs and can easy take 3 vs 1.
damn right ! figth how you can . for myself , i hate frig size no matter how many ppl tell me jag or ranis rocks . i find there way to expensif and are paper thin . i will take on any af pilot in most cruisers . accepted a duel from a jag in a caracal (poor him) but in a vexor would of been even more a joke
also i dont like ppl checking kb stats to know about an other pilot i call those kB wh*res
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