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AbsoluteFury
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:58:00 -
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so the bhaalgorn is like an armor tanking nightmare, with more cap recharge, even though it doesn't shield tank. it has 7 highs so it can fit 1 more thing. pretty much its like 8 guns and 5.25 nuets(for the cap price of 4 guns and 3 nuets). jesus......then theres the web range.
even though the nightmare has slightly more dps and better tracking/ the bhaalgorn just became a better nightmare. sorry for the rant i just feel like my favorite ship got the shaft by the updated bhaalgorn.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.09.30 18:14:00 -
[722]
Originally by: Mojster Pek can i ask why the fleet tempest has more(about 1000more!) base armor than the machariel ? is this some kind of mistake or is ccp beling a little stupid makeing a navy bs better than the pirate machariel ?
The Machariel is borderline overpowered, I don't think you need have any concerns about how effective it is.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 20:06:00 -
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I will say it again, please boost the Vindicator more. At its current form you are better off with the better tank of a Hyperion instead of a better web bonus. Or like I said above and just go Kronos and it will be cheaper too.
VINDICATOR NEEDS A HIGHER DAMAGE BONUS.
Otherwise it will never be worth flying over the Kronos/Hyperion.
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Happster
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2009.09.30 20:07:00 -
[724]
Edited by: Happster on 30/09/2009 20:07:35 nm
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.30 20:29:00 -
[725]
Originally by: AbsoluteFury so the bhaalgorn is like an armor tanking nightmare, with more cap recharge, even though it doesn't shield tank. it has 7 highs so it can fit 1 more thing. pretty much its like 8 guns and 5.25 nuets(for the cap price of 4 guns and 3 nuets). jesus......then theres the web range.
even though the nightmare has slightly more dps and better tracking/ the bhaalgorn just became a better nightmare. sorry for the rant i just feel like my favorite ship got the shaft by the updated bhaalgorn.
Buff the Nightmare.
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AbsoluteFury
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Posted - 2009.09.30 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: AbsoluteFury on 30/09/2009 22:10:29 Edited by: AbsoluteFury on 30/09/2009 22:09:28 so base stats with bonus's before skills bhaalgorn = 8 guns + 1.75*3 nuets or nos's about 13.25 high slots nightmare = 1.25*8 guns + 2 highs for w/e = 12 high slots vindicator = 1.25*8 guns = 10 high slots Machariel = (1.25*7)*1.25 + 1 high for w/e = 11.9375
now i realize there are other thing that go into a ship besides high slots, damage, nuets and what not but as u figure in stats the machariel has pretty much 11 damage slots which is going to be amplified by sklls and mods expanding the dps difference even further. the vindicator and nightmare kinda need buffed. the bhaalgorn has more cap than the nightmare and doesnt need to active shield tank (i know cap for nuets) but thats like having 8 guns and having an enemy perma disabled (situational i know but who goes into a big gang war with faction bs's).. just seems like everything got a major buff besides the nightmare and vindicator.
Imo give the nightmare 1 more high slot and two launcher slots. the sansha ships shoot missles in missions so why not lol =D
Oh and buff the vindicator too just my 2 cents don't hate me =D
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Zakon
Minmatar WEPRA CORP Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.09.30 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Zakon on 30/09/2009 22:42:06
Originally by: Mojster Pek Edited by: Mojster Pek on 30/09/2009 16:46:36
Originally by: Stealthbug Edited by: Stealthbug on 30/09/2009 14:41:17
Originally by: Mojster Pek can i ask why the fleet tempest has more(about 1000more!) base armor than the machariel ? is this some kind of mistake or is ccp beling a little stupid makeing a navy bs better than the pirate machariel ?
The Rattlesnake tanks better than the Bhaalgorn. That doesn't make the Rattlesnake BETTER than the Bhaalgorn does it? >_O ;)
there's no logic in your post dude... i ment BETTER base armor (+1000hp).. and rattle and bhaal are both pirate battleships(and shield vs armor) not pirate bs vs navy bs... and you're weird for saying rattle is not BETTER than the bhaal... allso that the rattle tanks BETTER than the bhaal...
anyway i was thinking like this.... if you have a machariel and the fleet tempest... both with 3x 1600mm plates and T2 trimarks and slaves... the +1000 base armor can make a difference of life or death in the battle... i like the 10400 base armor on the fleet tempest but... the mach's 9200, thats just weak! machariel is a pirate bs... it should have 12000 base armor
the same goes for vindicator, it has about 9200 base armor= the same as navy mega so that is quite stupid vindicator is a pirate bs... it should have about 1000 more armor hp than the navy mega...btw the navy mega is weaker too... navy mega should be 10000 armor .. vindi should be 11000
same is with nightmare btw... it has lowered shield hp so now it will be quite stupid too...(and i know you usualy tank nightmare active) but if you wanted to passive tank...
i belive there's same problems with other ships too... but i use the vindi and machariel the most so i'll let other ppl talk about other ships
I EXPECT SOME ANSWERS FROM CCP
Maybe have something to do with machariels speed and agility, dont u think ?
U want it to be faster, more agile and have at the same time more armour?
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Mojster Pek
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Posted - 2009.10.01 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mojster Pek on 01/10/2009 00:15:49 no need for machariel to be agile... WE WANT MORE ARMOR! |
Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.01 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mojster Pek Edited by: Mojster Pek on 01/10/2009 00:15:49 no need for machariel to be agile... WE WANT MORE ARMOR!
Um, you have flown a Machariel before? Dunno bout you, but i kinda like the 2000m/s battleship
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Mojster Pek
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Posted - 2009.10.01 00:45:00 -
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well yea becouse you're a carebear... i dont want machariel to be the ship for speedy carebears again... agility is ok.. but not if it costs armor. |
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.01 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mojster Pek well yea becouse you're a carebear... i dont want machariel to be the ship for speedy carebears again... agility is ok.. but not if it costs armor.
This makes me lol. Slowchariel makes me lol. You make me lol.
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Ahz
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Posted - 2009.10.01 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Stealthbug
Originally by: Mojster Pek Edited by: Mojster Pek on 01/10/2009 00:15:49 no need for machariel to be agile... WE WANT MORE ARMOR!
Um, you have flown a Machariel before? Dunno bout you, but i kinda like the 2000m/s battleship
Key is picking your targets.
Tempests, Nightmares, Geddons: Yes Dominix, Ravens: Not so much
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:55:00 -
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After more testing with the Vindicator it seems that if you don't fit at least one neut, even with 5x ogres, you will find it very difficult to break most tanks.
We should have more options to pvp other than a default neut on a blaster boat, much less a vindicator.
Even with 3x mag stabs, 5x ogres and 8x neutron blasters, the vindicator was simply not enough to break a maelstrom tank, as an example.
What is the point of 8 turrets if you HAVE to fit a neut to break tanks?
Boost the damage bonus on the Vindicator from 25% to 35-40%
Fitting a neut should not be REQUIRED on all blaster boats to be a successful ship. You might as well fly normal mega and not have the benifit of the web bonus (which is not that big of deal tbh) and save a bill in isk.
Is CCP afraid to make the Vindicator good or something?
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minerdave
Gallente Ma-Ven Industries Phobos Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.01 13:43:00 -
[734]
not to sure i like the idea of the daredevil being changed ownership from angel to serph
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2009.10.01 16:11:00 -
[735]
Originally by: minerdave not to sure i like the idea of the daredevil being changed ownership from angel to serph
It belongs to serpentis LP shop even on TQ isn't it?
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.10.01 17:59:00 -
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yop. _dramiel_ is angel - putting the gist back into logistics |
Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2009.10.02 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider yop. _dramiel_ is angel
Right. And daredevil? (it's tagged as angel in the database due to its history - read description, but can be bought only from serpentis lp shop)
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ArmyOfMe
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.02 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky Even with 3x mag stabs, 5x ogres and 8x neutron blasters, the vindicator was simply not enough to break a maelstrom tank, as an example.
What is the point of 8 turrets if you HAVE to fit a neut to break tanks?
are you actually for real????????? you are complaining that the vindi didnt manage to break the strongest sub cap tank in then game?
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OtonasiAkari
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Posted - 2009.10.03 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: OtonasiAkari on 03/10/2009 07:49:01 Edited by: OtonasiAkari on 03/10/2009 07:48:20 We see this.
Nightmare need little bit Shied HP Bufft to go through the cap reloading gap thingy or it's just dying so easily to couple dps BS b4 you finish loading cap 800s even with Crystal set.
Bhaalgorn need to do something with the absolutely out numbering effective High Slots to line up with other pirate Battlships.
Vindicator yes, why don't we make it 4 turret with 100% damage bonus thingy to be at least able to fit one heavy neut to break a Tier 3 Battleship's Active Shield Tank. Or if you insist pure dps then let's say 8 turrets is ok but with 10% damage bonus per level.
Rattlesnake... Since when guristas guys fall in love with drones? since when? A: since ccp made a bad idea of what their ship should be like. A shield tanking domi is somehow similar with this god damn toy and way much cheaper...
Machariel. Oh well.. you are gonna make it speedy then make it rather speedy to out run most targets with AB ( like giving AB bonus) You know need for speed thingy nowadays is not easy to play especially when it's a billion worth ship, no? Arazu decloaks and you smell the death?! omfg.
Or if you wanna make it gank ship then cut the speed , we don't care if you can give it enough gank capability instead of speed. just do it. give more armor , more dps , more...
Yes I loved flying Machariel on Sisi, I know it's already quite awesome with High Grade Snakes and triple Nano Fiber Structures... Yeah, and without those, your not going to kill but surely to be killed... And it's even with MWD.
Pls, we still need more works to be done I have to say.
GL-
-Rabbit Edit- And I see the 7 turret mach looks bit odd. well just imo since I love symmetry thingy..
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BarfCo
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Posted - 2009.10.03 11:52:00 -
[740]
Originally by: OtonasiAkari
And I see the 7 turret mach looks bit odd. well just imo since I love symmetry thingy..
I have the same feeling about this.
6 or 8 turrets just look better.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.10.03 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky After more testing with the Vindicator it seems that if you don't fit at least one neut, even with 5x ogres, you will find it very difficult to break most tanks.
We should have more options to pvp other than a default neut on a blaster boat, much less a vindicator.
Even with 3x mag stabs, 5x ogres and 8x neutron blasters, the vindicator was simply not enough to break a maelstrom tank, as an example.
What is the point of 8 turrets if you HAVE to fit a neut to break tanks?
Boost the damage bonus on the Vindicator from 25% to 35-40%
Fitting a neut should not be REQUIRED on all blaster boats to be a successful ship. You might as well fly normal mega and not have the benifit of the web bonus (which is not that big of deal tbh) and save a bill in isk.
Is CCP afraid to make the Vindicator good or something?
Bad comparrison, if you couldnt break the Mael with the Vindi, you either have low skills or he was pumped up with imps.
The Vindi can reach 1500Dps+, a standard BS on TQ will maybe tank half of it with an active tank but would still die very fast.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.10.03 19:13:00 -
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Crossposting this from the other thread for maximum viewage.
Originally by: Blane Xero Due to the Artillery boost coming and the fact Tracking modules will now have a Falloff modifier, i am going to have to rescind my support of the Machariels extra 50% falloff. Instead i have a small "tweak" idea.
Special Ability - 30% Bonus to Large Projectile Falloff.
Minmatar Battleship - 7.5% bonus to Large Projectile Rate of Fire. Gallente Battleship - 5% bonus to Large Projectile Damage.
I believe that, with these changes, the Machariel would be well balanced in comparison with other faction battleships. It will also be formidable with either Auto-cannons or Artillery. Angel/Minmatar and such are all about versatility, right?
_____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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BarfCo
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Posted - 2009.10.03 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Crossposting this from the other thread for maximum viewage.
Originally by: Blane Xero Due to the Artillery boost coming and the fact Tracking modules will now have a Falloff modifier, i am going to have to rescind my support of the Machariels extra 50% falloff. Instead i have a small "tweak" idea.
Special Ability - 25% Bonus to Large Projectile Rate of fire.
Minmatar Battleship - 5% to large projectile turret damage per level Gallente Battleship - 7.5% bonus to Large Projectile turret TRACKING per level.
And an 8th turret
I believe that, with these changes, the Machariel would be well balanced in comparison with other faction battleships. It will also be formidable with either Auto-cannons or Artillery. Angel/Minmatar and such are all about versatility, right?
You will find out that this wil complement the new turrets and weapon upgrades better.
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Captain Alcatraz
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.10.04 03:22:00 -
[744]
It's sad to see Phantasm shield being lowered, no need to nerf it. Its not overpowered compared to the new pirate cruisers |
Missilequeen
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Posted - 2009.10.04 18:50:00 -
[745]
Originally by: BarfCo Edited by: BarfCo on 03/10/2009 13:34:53
Originally by: OtonasiAkari
And I see the 7 turret mach looks bit odd. well just imo since I love symmetry thingy..
I have the same feeling about this.
6 or 8 turrets just look better.
And adding to that:
With the extra speed of the Machariel and the projectile changes the need for fall-off is all but gone and the need for tracking only becomes greater.
What good is more damage if you can't hit stuff.
Please change back the Gallente bonus...
how much tracking bonus do you need to hit a target with your AC's 45 km away?
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Nyveg
Hyperborea Re
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Posted - 2009.10.04 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: OtonasiAkari
And I see the 7 turret mach looks bit odd. well just imo since I love symmetry thingy..
I have the same feeling about this.
6 or 8 turrets just look better.
And adding to that:
With the extra speed of the Machariel and the projectile changes the need for fall-off is all but gone and the need for tracking only becomes greater.
What good is more damage if you can't hit stuff.
Please change back the Gallente bonus...
F off you fail at eve. Take all the "fallooff back to tracking" idiots with you. Thx.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.10.04 21:01:00 -
[747]
Originally by: Missilequeen
Originally by: BarfCo Edited by: BarfCo on 03/10/2009 13:34:53
Originally by: OtonasiAkari
And I see the 7 turret mach looks bit odd. well just imo since I love symmetry thingy..
I have the same feeling about this.
6 or 8 turrets just look better.
And adding to that:
With the extra speed of the Machariel and the projectile changes the need for fall-off is all but gone and the need for tracking only becomes greater.
What good is more damage if you can't hit stuff.
Please change back the Gallente bonus...
how much tracking bonus do you need to hit a target with your AC's 45 km away?
Yes because your target is totally going to be sitting still at 45km and not warping away at all.
If you're flying in a gang you don't need a massive 50% fallff ONTOP of any falloff bonuses that tracking enhancers/computers are giving you.
I dont mind a falloff bonus, but 50% falloff is wasted. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.10.04 21:03:00 -
[748]
Originally by: fuxinos
Originally by: Marlona Sky After more testing with the Vindicator it seems that if you don't fit at least one neut, even with 5x ogres, you will find it very difficult to break most tanks.
We should have more options to pvp other than a default neut on a blaster boat, much less a vindicator.
Even with 3x mag stabs, 5x ogres and 8x neutron blasters, the vindicator was simply not enough to break a maelstrom tank, as an example.
What is the point of 8 turrets if you HAVE to fit a neut to break tanks?
Boost the damage bonus on the Vindicator from 25% to 35-40%
Fitting a neut should not be REQUIRED on all blaster boats to be a successful ship. You might as well fly normal mega and not have the benifit of the web bonus (which is not that big of deal tbh) and save a bill in isk.
Is CCP afraid to make the Vindicator good or something?
Bad comparrison, if you couldnt break the Mael with the Vindi, you either have low skills or he was pumped up with imps.
The Vindi can reach 1500Dps+, a standard BS on TQ will maybe tank half of it with an active tank but would still die very fast.
He most likely had full crystals but my point remains the same. The 25% damage bonus needs to be boosted more. Otherwise there is no real advantage of flying the Vindicator over a mega/hype.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.10.04 23:48:00 -
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This is ridicoules...
Nerfing the Guristas Drone Damage bonus is so stupid...
Just because some nubs cry that their Ishtar is worse then the Gila?
Why not nerf the Vigilant, its stronger then the Deimos too.
Even the Rattlesnacke, its already weak on dps, lost its Drone Damage bonus.
Why not nerf Vindicator? Its better then Kronos..~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.05 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos This is ridicoules...
Nerfing the Guristas Drone Damage bonus is so stupid...
Just because some nubs cry that their Ishtar is worse then the Gila?
Why not nerf the Vigilant, its stronger then the Deimos too.
Even the Rattlesnacke, its already weak on dps, lost its Drone Damage bonus.
Why not nerf Vindicator? Its better then Kronos..~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tell me they didn't... >_>
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