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Princess Galgota Gallente Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.09.24 16:18:00 - [31] I also suspect it's a Chromium-related issue. Too bad Google isn't putting more brains into a proper, official Mac release.
Ryel Theon Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.09.24 20:02:00 - [32] Originally by: Princess Galgota I also suspect it's a Chromium-related issue. Too bad Google isn't putting more brains into a proper, official Mac release. Anyone else find it ironic that both Chrome and Safari are WebKit-based browsers and yet the new Chrome-based browser in Dominion may be the reason why there's no working Mac build?
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.09.24 22:49:00 - [33] Originally by: CCP Heimdall I assure you all that we value our Mac customers greatly and that is in fact the reason why we are working so hard to fix the issue so we can get our Mac pilots back on Sisi. Ok, I know it's a test server, so it's not like we are being affected in our game play, but at the same point I have to argue that we are being affected. The exact problem came up before Apocrypha was released, so Mac users were left in the dark when it came to testing Worm holes & T3 ships. I can only wonder how long we Mac users will go without the ability to test new changes and how those changes will then present themselves as bugs in the first few weeks of the new expansion. I'd be willing to bet a large amount of isk, that once again after the patch, a section of Mac users will experience an inability to log in and will spend their day refreshing the mac forum waiting for CCP Casqade to post something about a patch or work around. AX
CooganV3	Posted - 2009.09.25 08:45:00 - [34] Edited by: CooganV3 on 25/09/2009 08:49:23 Edited by: CooganV3 on 25/09/2009 08:45:40 Originally by: Atraxerxes Originally by: CCP Heimdall I assure you all that we value our Mac customers greatly and that is in fact the reason why we are working so hard to fix the issue so we can get our Mac pilots back on Sisi. Ok, I know it's a test server, so it's not like we are being affected in our game play, but at the same point I have to argue that we are being affected. The exact problem came up before Apocrypha was released, so Mac users were left in the dark when it came to testing Worm holes & T3 ships. I can only wonder how long we Mac users will go without the ability to test new changes and how those changes will then present themselves as bugs in the first few weeks of the new expansion. I'd be willing to bet a large amount of isk, that once again after the patch, a section of Mac users will experience an inability to log in and will spend their day refreshing the mac forum waiting for CCP Casqade to post something about a patch or work around. AX Signed. Even with the minor version patches, MAC clients aren't able to play until someone releases a patch. This just angers ALL EVE customers as they get the message the server is going down again. This is also the reason why many MS players flame MAC players here. I know CCP are doing what they can, but I cant help feeling that MAC clients are an 'afterthought' during any meetings at the CCP dev offices. (perhaps some figures on the MAC vs MS clients, just to show how much of a minority community we are) I'd like to remind CCP why you allow us the courtesy of using SISI - This complex game has a small army of loyal players that are willing to perform testing and bug reporting FOR FREE. This is cheap R&D for you, CCP! Please fix it soon, like, before you release ! or hold the release until you have received feedback from MAC customers on SISI. Now I'll bet my whole account that wont happen!
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2009.09.25 09:53:00 - [35] Fortunately, dominion's release is still months away. For me though, and i do realise this isn't the reason they have a test server, it's kinda crappy that I'm missing out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to fly a titan..
chaosjj	Posted - 2009.09.25 11:57:00 - [36] what do you think of this CCP Heimdall: if the new IGB is giving problems, why don't you release a temporarily client with the IGB disabled or with the old IGB, this way we can test all other new things in dominion, while you can find a way to fix the new IGM,
Falbyla DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.25 16:44:00 - [37] Yeah, I couldn't care less about the IGB. But we're missing out on the all level 5 play days. That is something we'll never get back
The Tallman	Posted - 2009.09.25 19:38:00 - [38] I understand CCP is doing everything they can and I appreciate it, but from a paying customer's point of view this is what I lose out on. My whole corp is going to be testing cap fleet tactics tomorrow on the sisi server and I will miss it because Mac's got no client for the test server. I know it's just a game but I feel let down that we pay the same money as everyone else and miss out on things like this. I know the test server is not what I am actually paying for and if I had time I would spend several hours installing windows on my mac, then install the eve windows client, then install the ventrillo windows client etc... But is that normal in a game like this for a paying customer to have to go through? Oh well, I don't have the extra time to go through all those hoops for this game so I guess I will miss out on some of the most memorable events in it...
Apple Boy Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.09.26 05:53:00 - [39] I agree, if this is a IGB issue can we have a client with it disabled so we can still have fun testing stuff? Or could you let us know what the problem is so people will calm down... or they will rant and rave about how they know that problem and it's such an easy fix blah blah blah so we can flame them to pass the time? tia And to play devil's advocate, the mac client isn't an afterthought, but there are points where it moves from being CCP's issue to TG's issue (granted, I don't know who's problem it is in this case). Also, CCP has to divide up their resources based on the player base that uses the mac client. It would be stupid of them to put 50% of their resources towards making a bug free mac client if only 5%* of the player base uses it. * random totally made up guess
Tlamy	Posted - 2009.09.27 19:15:00 - [40] A lot of people here have said that you can get on SiSi using wine, but has anyone actually done it yet? Atm I can't even get TQ to work using Crossover. I keep on getting errors about not having directx, even though I install the correct version (9.0c) before trying to install EvE. Any suggestions?

chaosjj	Posted - 2009.09.28 18:01:00 - [41] CCP heimdall, Mac users are cut of from the test server for over 2 weeks now, do you have a ETA, or any information at all?
El Machete	Posted - 2009.09.29 05:24:00 - [42] Humm - maybe we should all go back to blizzard :-) But seriously - WTF CCP?
Draco Argen	Posted - 2009.10.02 13:04:00 - [43] I've said this elsewhere but thought it needed repeating here. I know how much the silence sucks. A note from your Linux "minority" kin my good Mac friends. For Linux, the release of Wine that first successfully ran Apoc, does not run the Sisi Dominion test. Later versions of wine do. This appears to be due, as already identified, with the Chromium IGB (moondoggie) compatibility and the XP SP3 requirement. Later versions of Wine utilise Awsomium, the compatible library of Chromium. While moondoggie itself occasionally "goes black" the game loads and runs fine otherwise. This is very likely the very same issue Mac client suffers. In short, it IS possible for Cedega to support Dominion. It is not an unsolved issue. You will eventually get it. When, is up to how hard Cedega work on this. The lack of response from CCP is a political glitch. CCP employees that can write on this forum are not responsible for the issue at hand. Cedega employees, for what ever reason, aren't responding to you here. The Linux users used to get the same, insulting and infuriating silence. Sucks don't it. I don't know the general success of Wine on MAC, it may work well. I must warn you USE THE OFFICIAL CLIENT if at all possible, at least in parallel. If Wine works and you switch to it, CCP have no current method of detecting it, and as such will drop Mac if they think it's not used enough. It's what happened to us. As you stand, you are safe. @CCP Heimdall: Could you perhaps bend Cedega/Transgaming's ear and get them to assign a dev or PR person to read this and the Mac thread and reply. I understand this is not actually your gig, but it's your service they are harming. Which is otherwise a excellent and cooperative during the dev stage.
WETRAIN Minmatar The Executioners BOGLYFT	Posted - 2009.10.04 11:23:00 - [44] Quote: This is a temporary issue you know you can do it b4 a month is up.... Don't punish us!!!! Wanna work some new fits b4 we go front line with em. Sorry, cannot convert to bootcamp. The rest of non game works too well. And thank you for a great game. x -------------------------------------
Filarion	Posted - 2009.10.04 16:21:00 - [45] would be great to have a working mac version sometime before December 1st indeed... if it doesn't have moondoggy or not, I really don't care much as long as I can test sov with our ally members.
The Tallman	Posted - 2009.10.05 03:29:00 - [46] +1 for totally not caring about the In game browser. I do need to test with the rest of my corp on several important things... Need sisi access please....
chaosjj	Posted - 2009.10.05 06:52:00 - [47] Edited by: chaosjj on 05/10/2009 06:53:26 agree, i don't care about the IGB, i never use it anyway. P.S we would like some more feedback CCP
JungTzu	Posted - 2009.10.05 15:28:00 - [48] Snif, all my corpmates are doing some tests on Sisi... And they are telling me that's fantastic. I'm sad...
Draco Argen	Posted - 2009.10.05 18:22:00 - [49] By the sounds of fan fest Moondoggie might not be included in Dec (sov day :D) release, but will come later. Due to potential security issues and concerns. In which case as we get closer to release SiSi will become Mac compatible (A guess) when they remove it. It also flags this as an issue for the eventual Moondoggie release on Mac, means Cedega have longer to resolve the issue.
BAteh JointMasters Corp	Posted - 2009.10.06 00:50:00 - [50] CCP should just simply suspend access to EVERYONE until they can make EVERYONE have the same (insert 'advantages', 'testing paranoia', 'bug report monkeys') abilities. That is all.

Bomberlocks Minmatar Icarus Prime	Posted - 2009.10.06 15:42:00 - [51] Seriously, people, bite the bullet and give the bastards at Microsoft your cash for a copy of Winblows, and play Eve in bootcamp. I play on a Mac Pro and the difference between Mac and Windows is like night and day. CCP only tweaks Eve so that it will, barely, run in Transgaming's Win32 environment. Mostly CCP sleeps with Microsoft (I mean, seriously, they even make a big issue of running Microsoft Sql Server for the backend database as if anyone really gave a damn) and only support the Mac to a certain extent because it's popularity has grown enough for CCP to think they would lose an opportunistic buck if they didn't support it. And, dearest CCP, if you don't like the criticism, then prove me wrong!
droii	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:42:00 - [52] Edited by: droii on 06/10/2009 17:45:15 All the "I am a paying customer" aside, what is really the most worrying issue of getting the client shipped late is the fact that we get less time to test it and find more bugs (yes there will be more bugs every release :) . This is putting the mac client back in the release cycle, and that will eventually give the developers even less time to iron out the bugs... result; a release client with more bugs then the other version people use on TQ. (We have seen this before, and it seems its about to happen again.) And to those "just pay your MS tax ppl", one word... NO. I started playing eve when I did for a reason, and that reason was a Mac client. If I wanted to run another operating system I would have, but I dont so stop making that a "possible fix" reason. It may be for you personaly, but it aint that for all of us. So Im just hoping CCP is leaning on the cider ppl every day and making sure they are working on it. It must suck for them also to have to outsource the finalizing for a client. Been a long time since we heard anything now thu, any news? Edit: if this is only a moondogie issue release a client without it please, who of the mac players have been using the IGB since dec 07 anyway? Really, its slow as hell and I haven opened it since about that time ;)
Falbyla DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.06 19:10:00 - [53] Originally by: droii Edit: if this is only a moondogie issue release a client without it please, who of the mac players have been using the IGB since dec 07 anyway? Really, its slow as hell and I haven opened it since about that time ;) Even if Moondoggie is quick and stable, I wouldn't use it. I'd rather be in an OOG browser, having the ability to get it off my screen instantly using Cmd-Tab.
John Haldane	Posted - 2009.10.06 23:49:00 - [54] Even if it's just a "we're working on it; not yet", could we get an update on this issue? Pretty please?
Draco Argen	Posted - 2009.10.07 17:28:00 - [55] Slight correction on my original post. It's the Flash that will be delayed until after dominion, not mooddoggie itself. Awsomium is a complete additional library layer on tom of chromium, not a wine alternative. So all of the raised concerns are valid :( I can only hope for you Mac guys that they get it right this time. I COMPLETELY agree that you should not have to "pay an MS tax". OSX costs money anyway (Even if the price was included when you bought hardware), so having to pay additional is ridiculous. CCP, it is OK to just pop up and say "still working on this". The silence makes users expect the worst.
Hagis McBree Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 19:00:00 - [56] this was posted in the Mac forums. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1189313 quote=TG Maladara]Edited by: TG Maladara on 03/10/2009 12:58:04 Originally by: OwlManAtt Unless Transgaming is doing some serious voodoo, the status of Chrome/Chromium's OS X ports are completely irrelevant to us. Nope - we are indeed doing serious voodoo so that EVE will use the OS X version of Chromium. Without this, Mac browser plugins could not be made to work. This is actually something we do a fair bit in different cases - we expose OS X or Cocoa code through a Win32 DLL interface so that both APIs can be used in the places they are most appropriate. so it looks like Transgaming is working on the issue and the INB will be a native OS X .app Originally by: CCP Fallout Can you upgrade your OS X to Leopard? We don't actually provide support for Tiger.
Ocularus Dothumiter Amarr Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.08 05:15:00 - [57] I just want to know, are we going to have it by Friday or not... If we aren't please just tell us.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.08 14:36:00 - [58] Originally by: Hagis McBree so it looks like Transgaming is working on the issue and the INB will be a native OS X .app Well...thank god there's some news on the subject. I just sincerely hope CCP gives us some time to test it on Singularity before it goes live, so we don't have a broken client at launch date. We're missing out on enough of the fun as is.
Krystal Flores	Posted - 2009.10.09 23:38:00 - [59] you are not missing much for the cap tests; all there is to do is wait over two hours to log in.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.10.10 02:56:00 - [60] Originally by: Hagis McBree this was posted in the Mac forums. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1189313 Originally by: TG Maladara Edited by: TG Maladara on 03/10/2009 12:58:04 Originally by: OwlManAtt Unless Transgaming is doing some serious voodoo, the status of Chrome/Chromium's OS X ports are completely irrelevant to us. Nope - we are indeed doing serious voodoo so that EVE will use the OS X version of Chromium. Without this, Mac browser plugins could not be made to work. This is actually something we do a fair bit in different cases - we expose OS X or Cocoa code through a Win32 DLL interface so that both APIs can be used in the places they are most appropriate. so it looks like Transgaming is working on the issue and the INB will be a native OS X .app That looks like it leads to a solid follow up question of "Are we waiting for Google Chrome for Mac?" before we can test/even get Dominion? So from the 30 min FanFest IGB presentation it looks like part of the issue is that the Win architecture for Moondoogie is to run it as a second process separate from the Eve client (ccpbrowser.exe). I am going to guess this is creating part of the problem; will cider run them as one process or be able to separate them? CEO, Lai Dai Infinity Systems



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