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Ambo
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2010.08.25 15:10:00 -
[571]
Version 1.5.2.6 is now up. I've decided to put this on general release in order to infrom everyone as much as possible about the change to a licnesed system.
- Added Paradoxon's changes to the route planner. This includes displaying the region as well as system name and a few other tweaks.
- Corrected a bug in the route planner that would cause the 'add waypoints from assets' feature to work incorrectly if a corporation was chosen as the asset owner to use.
- (Hopefully) Corrected a bug that could sometimes cause the Assets update to run before transactions or orders updates (the assets update should always go last). This caused various knockon issues such as not being able to calculate profit for sell transactions.
- Added a warning about not having a valid license when EMMA starts up.
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Maver Rick
Stormtrooper School
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:53:00 -
[572]
So i'm getting an error with the newest version of EMMA right after startup.
"There was a problem validating your installation. Object Reference not set to an instance of an object"
Running Windows 7 Home Premium,EMMA version 1.5.2.6.
I've tried uninstalling and deleting all the EMMA data I could find, and then reinstalling to no avail.
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.26 07:23:00 -
[573]
Originally by: Maver Rick So i'm getting an error with the newest version of EMMA right after startup.
"There was a problem validating your installation. Object Reference not set to an instance of an object"
Running Windows 7 Home Premium,EMMA version 1.5.2.6.
I've tried uninstalling and deleting all the EMMA data I could find, and then reinstalling to no avail.
I think the problem is that my old emma was licensed, however with the new build, the old license and the new build are conflicting with each other.
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Ambo
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2010.08.26 08:08:00 -
[574]
1.5.2.7 is up
- Added a progress bar to the unacknowledged asset changes screen that will show the progress of the completion process after clicking 'ok'.
- Corrected a bug that could cause corporate asset updates to hang idefinitely.
- Corrected a bug that would cause an null reference error to occur during startup.
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.26 08:56:00 -
[575]
Look's better.
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Peri Phusis
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Posted - 2010.08.27 01:44:00 -
[576]
Sell orders are not posted or calculated in NAV report
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Ambo
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2010.08.27 07:15:00 -
[577]
Originally by: Peri Phusis Sell orders are not posted or calculated in NAV report
They are included as part of the assets group.
I could separate them out again if that's what people want. --------------------------------------
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Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2010.08.27 13:48:00 -
[578]
Originally by: Maver Rick So i'm getting an error with the newest version of EMMA right after startup.
"There was a problem validating your installation. Object Reference not set to an instance of an object"
Running Windows 7 Home Premium,EMMA version 1.5.2.6.
I've tried uninstalling and deleting all the EMMA data I could find, and then reinstalling to no avail.
This sounds very similar to the error that I (and a few others) have gotten on recent builds. A reinstallation resolved the problem for me at least temporarily, but this morning it crashed while running in the background (I believe it was during an API update).
It's unfortunate that these issues are popping up now at the time when I need to decide whether to pay to use it.
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Ambo
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2010.08.27 14:40:00 -
[579]
Originally by: Trebor Whettam
This sounds very similar to the error that I (and a few others) have gotten on recent builds. A reinstallation resolved the problem for me at least temporarily, but this morning it crashed while running in the background (I believe it was during an API update).
It's unfortunate that these issues are popping up now at the time when I need to decide whether to pay to use it.
hehe, indeed.
the error you quoted is certainly fixed now but there is still an issue around the assets update for corps. The new build - 1.5.2.8 *should* fix this but I can't be sure because it's an intermittent problem.
I've added some diagnostics that should help identify the exact issue.
If anyone gets an asset update that is stuck on 'queued' for more than a few minutes then please let me know and check your exceptionlog.txt file for entries starting with: 'Warning, not all queued XML files were processed'.
Thanks. --------------------------------------
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Kaldira
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Posted - 2010.08.27 16:38:00 -
[580]
Edited by: Kaldira on 27/08/2010 16:40:06 Edited by: Kaldira on 27/08/2010 16:39:45 Item Report
Just an observation - this is to me very sluggish probably because I buy vast amounts of minerals and I tend to get a lot of transactions with small amounts in.
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Ambo
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2010.08.27 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kaldira
Item Report
Just an observation - this is to me very sluggish probably because I buy vast amounts of minerals and I tend to get a lot of transactions with small amounts in.
Yeah, that'll do it.
I'll see if there are any further optimisations I can do as part of the next big release. --------------------------------------
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.08.27 16:59:00 -
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Ehm, It says I have 973% something overhead on PLEX I bought and that I made a 40 million loss on them this month. I bought 17 of them and sold 13. Average buy around 315, average sell around 330.
Am I being teh noob here or is this just a bug?
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.08.27 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: sir gankalot Ehm, It says I have 973% something overhead on PLEX I bought and that I made a 40 million loss on them this month. I bought 17 of them and sold 13. Average buy around 315, average sell around 330.
Am I being teh noob here or is this just a bug?
Hm, it appears the 'cost of units sold' is just a few 100k under the 'average sell price'. How can that be if the average buy price is not even 315 and the average sell is just below 330?
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Dezolf
Minmatar DAX Action Stance
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Posted - 2010.08.27 21:36:00 -
[584]
Typos sneaked in. "Arange items by category" and "include unpackaged ships, fittings, containers and thier contents", under the Reports -> Assets Reports
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Intaki Shadow
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Posted - 2010.08.28 20:03:00 -
[585]
why doesn't my asset value on the nav report match the total estimated value on the assets report ? also no average buy price is calculated for the all items, why not ? would be nice to have percentage margins on the assets report also.
orders view would be nice to show isk volume of activity per time period, as well as profit per day per order.
there's no reprocess values for drone alloys either...? that's kind of lol.
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Ambo
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2010.08.30 13:39:00 -
[586]
Originally by: sir gankalot
Originally by: sir gankalot Ehm, It says I have 973% something overhead on PLEX I bought and that I made a 40 million loss on them this month. I bought 17 of them and sold 13. Average buy around 315, average sell around 330.
Am I being teh noob here or is this just a bug?
Hm, it appears the 'cost of units sold' is just a few 100k under the 'average sell price'. How can that be if the average buy price is not even 315 and the average sell is just below 330?
The reason is that the 'average buy price' is the price of items bought during that time period. 'Cost of units sold' is the price you originally paid when you bought the items that you sold during that time period. These are often different numbers.
It sounds like you would have made a small profit but due to taxes and so on, you actually ended up with a small loss.
Originally by: Dezolf Typos sneaked in. "Arange items by category" and "include unpackaged ships, fittings, containers and thier contents", under the Reports -> Assets Reports
Thanks, will get those sorted.
Originally by: Intaki Shadow why doesn't my asset value on the nav report match the total estimated value on the assets report ? also no average buy price is calculated for the all items, why not ? would be nice to have percentage margins on the assets report also.
orders view would be nice to show isk volume of activity per time period, as well as profit per day per order.
there's no reprocess values for drone alloys either...? that's kind of lol.
Asset report total value and NAV total assets value are often different because the Assets report goes through a more in-depth route to try and determine value. It's slower but hopefully more accurate.
There is no average buy price for all items because it would be meaningless. I could calculate it but I can't see why anyone would want it.
Percentage margins on the assets report... Well I guess it would be simple enough to add in. I'll put it on my to do list.
Orders view changes are a more major change. Not on the cards right now but I'll add it to the long term list.
No reprocess value for drone alloys - will have to try that. There is lots of stuff that has weird/incomplete data for reprocessing, probably just one of those cases where the data has to be pulled from somewhere different.
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.08.30 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ambo
Originally by: sir gankalot
Originally by: sir gankalot Ehm, It says I have 973% something overhead on PLEX I bought and that I made a 40 million loss on them this month. I bought 17 of them and sold 13. Average buy around 315, average sell around 330.
Am I being teh noob here or is this just a bug?
Hm, it appears the 'cost of units sold' is just a few 100k under the 'average sell price'. How can that be if the average buy price is not even 315 and the average sell is just below 330?
The reason is that the 'average buy price' is the price of items bought during that time period. 'Cost of units sold' is the price you originally paid when you bought the items that you sold during that time period. These are often different numbers.
It sounds like you would have made a small profit but due to taxes and so on, you actually ended up with a small loss.
Strange, broker fees and taxes should not account for more than about 3.something million with my trade skills and standings. And no way did I buy PLEX near 325 million. It's not only PLEX though, some other items have strange numbers too.
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Ambo
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2010.08.31 07:27:00 -
[588]
Originally by: sir gankalot
Originally by: Ambo
Originally by: sir gankalot
Originally by: sir gankalot Ehm, It says I have 973% something overhead on PLEX I bought and that I made a 40 million loss on them this month. I bought 17 of them and sold 13. Average buy around 315, average sell around 330.
Am I being teh noob here or is this just a bug?
Hm, it appears the 'cost of units sold' is just a few 100k under the 'average sell price'. How can that be if the average buy price is not even 315 and the average sell is just below 330?
The reason is that the 'average buy price' is the price of items bought during that time period. 'Cost of units sold' is the price you originally paid when you bought the items that you sold during that time period. These are often different numbers.
It sounds like you would have made a small profit but due to taxes and so on, you actually ended up with a small loss.
Strange, broker fees and taxes should not account for more than about 3.something million with my trade skills and standings. And no way did I buy PLEX near 325 million. It's not only PLEX though, some other items have strange numbers too.
The overhead is calculated as a percentage of the net profit. i.e. it is the percentage of your profits that you lost to overheads. If the percentage is higher than 100% then it just means your overheads were more than your profits.
e.g. net profit = 1 mil overheads = 12 mil
overheads % = (overheads / net profit) * 100 = 1200% --------------------------------------
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.08.31 15:29:00 -
[589]
Originally by: Ambo
The overhead is calculated as a percentage of the net profit. i.e. it is the percentage of your profits that you lost to overheads. If the percentage is higher than 100% then it just means your overheads were more than your profits.
e.g. net profit = 1 mil overheads = 12 mil
overheads % = (overheads / net profit) * 100 = 1200%
I know, I'm just saying the net profit figures can't be right.
If I buy something at 315 (buy order) and sell at 330, than that's some mighty overhead costs if it goes over 15 million. 1.0395 broker fees (0.33%) for buy order and at most 0.5% broker fees and 0.5 % sales taxes for the sell order. 3.3+1.04 million would be 4.34 million MAX overhead costs. And I can see from the ingame journal that every singel one of my PLEX buy/sells had a much greater margin.
Something is just not right. Never had similar probs with EMMA but some of the figures I'm getting must be wrong, or I'm missing something...
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Razz XXX
Minmatar Vashta Nerada Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.31 19:19:00 -
[590]
Edited by: Razz XXX on 31/08/2010 19:20:20 Just makes a lot easier for me if separate sell orders out again on NAV report. Makes easier to track which char is getting low on sell orders/who's excess inventory.
Is possible add names in API Update status windows, got few toons that just look alike.
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Ambo
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2010.09.01 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: sir gankalot I know, I'm just saying the net profit figures can't be right.
If I buy something at 315 (buy order) and sell at 330, than that's some mighty overhead costs if it goes over 15 million. 1.0395 broker fees (0.33%) for buy order and at most 0.5% broker fees and 0.5 % sales taxes for the sell order. 3.3+1.04 million would be 4.34 million MAX overhead costs. And I can see from the ingame journal that every singel one of my PLEX buy/sells had a much greater margin.
Something is just not right. Never had similar probs with EMMA but some of the figures I'm getting must be wrong, or I'm missing something...
Ah, but you're not buying at 315 and selling at 330. Earlier, you said:
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it appears the 'cost of units sold' is just a few 100k under the 'average sell price'
So your net profit in this case was only a few 100k per item. As you point out above, this amount will easily be wiped out by overheads.
The Buy price on the item report is not necessarily the price you paid for the items that were sold. Perhaps an example would help:
(all transactions are assumed to be in the same station) week 1: I buy 10 widgets at a price of 120 mil isk.
I run an item report and it will show a buy price of 120 mil for 10 units but no sell price and no profits.
week 2: I buy 10 widgets at a price of 100 mil isk and sell 10 at a price of 125 mil isk.
Under the old system, an item report for this week would show a buy price of 100 mil, a sell price of 125 mil and a 'cost of units sold' of 120 mil. Profit would be 5 mil per unit.
However, it now depends on when the transactions occur. At the end of week 1, EMMA knows that you have 10 widgets that cost 120 mil each. If the sell transactions in week 2 occur first then the profit on those sell transactions would be based on a purchase price of 120 mil and they would therefore show a profit of 5 mil each. The item report would look the same as it used to.
Now, when items are added to a stack, EMMA will average out the purchase price. I.e. if the buy transaction occurs first then you'll have 10 units at 100 mil and 10 units at 120 being merged together. The resulting stack of assets will be 20 units with a purchase price of 110 mil each. In this case, the item report will show a buy price of 100 mil, sell price of 120 mil and a 'cost of units sold' of 110 mil. Profit will be 15 mil per unit.
It certainly sounds like EMMA is behaving correctly. However, if you still believe there is a problem then let me know and I can take a look at the data directly.
Originally by: Razz XXX Just makes a lot easier for me if separate sell orders out again on NAV report. Makes easier to track which char is getting low on sell orders/who's excess inventory.
Is possible add names in API Update status windows, got few toons that just look alike.
I'll add those changes to the list, both should be simple enough to make. --------------------------------------
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Ambo
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2010.09.01 12:15:00 -
[592]
1.5.2.9 is now out. Main change is that a license will now be required to use EMMA after the 14 day trial expires.
The next update is likely to be a major one that will use industry jobs data to try and work out cost of produced items. It's unknown how long this will take but expect it to take a little longer than has generally been the case lately.
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clixoras
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Posted - 2010.09.01 12:33:00 -
[593]
Just like to say that i will gladly pay the licence fee now EMMA has evolved into a stable and reliable tool. Thanks for the good work Ambo!
b.t.w. are you aware of the fact that BPC's are calculated at BPO value? My NAV was a bit high and i turned out EMMA calculated the est.value of a few Typhoon BPC's at 16B. Perhaps it's better to leave out BPC's / BPO's at all in NAV / ASSET reports?
About the industry jobs update (which i applaud loudly here :)). How are you going to know which ME value is used for bpc/bpo's? Because don't you need this information to calculate the used materials and thus costs?
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.09.01 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: sir gankalot on 01/09/2010 14:26:45
Originally by: Ambo
Originally by: sir gankalot
Ah, but you're not buying at 315 and selling at 330. Earlier, you said:
Quote:
it appears the 'cost of units sold' is just a few 100k under the 'average sell price'
So your net profit in this case was only a few 100k per item. As you point out above, this amount will easily be wiped out by overheads.
The Buy price on the item report is not necessarily the price you paid for the items that were sold. Perhaps an example would help:
(all transactions are assumed to be in the same station) week 1: I buy 10 widgets at a price of 120 mil isk.
I run an item report and it will show a buy price of 120 mil for 10 units but no sell price and no profits.
week 2: I buy 10 widgets at a price of 100 mil isk and sell 10 at a price of 125 mil isk.
Under the old system, an item report for this week would show a buy price of 100 mil, a sell price of 125 mil and a 'cost of units sold' of 120 mil. Profit would be 5 mil per unit.
However, it now depends on when the transactions occur. At the end of week 1, EMMA knows that you have 10 widgets that cost 120 mil each. If the sell transactions in week 2 occur first then the profit on those sell transactions would be based on a purchase price of 120 mil and they would therefore show a profit of 5 mil each. The item report would look the same as it used to.
Now, when items are added to a stack, EMMA will average out the purchase price. I.e. if the buy transaction occurs first then you'll have 10 units at 100 mil and 10 units at 120 being merged together. The resulting stack of assets will be 20 units with a purchase price of 110 mil each. In this case, the item report will show a buy price of 100 mil, sell price of 120 mil and a 'cost of units sold' of 110 mil. Profit will be 15 mil per unit.
It certainly sounds like EMMA is behaving correctly. However, if you still believe there is a problem then let me know and I can take a look at the data directly.
What my problem is: It says cost of unit near 330 million while even with MAX possible overhead costs, I NEVAR bought PLEX at those prices. Well, maybe a year ago but those are long gone, either used or traded (yes I know that 100% certain).
In august, the most I spent for one was 318.4, and those VERY same got sold for just shy of 332 mil. And all my plex trades had at LEAST a gross margin of 10 mill that month, and most had a lot more.
Now unless my overhead calculations are completely wrong, EMMA is wrong .
I did use some PLEX to extend my accounts but those were bought and immediatly added to game time.
Even if that would have caused the strange numbers, there are other items that appear to have too high 'cost of units sold'. I'm just using the PLEX as example cuz it stands out.
But right now I'm looking at an item I bought 8 off at 34.something that gets 38. something at cost of units sold.
If you could take a look at the data I'd be most happy. Should I EVE mail you about that?
Btw: though EMMA says it requires a License now, I can still make an item report despite getting the "trial ended" message.
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Ambo
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:38:00 -
[595]
Originally by: clixoras
Just like to say that i will gladly pay the licence fee now EMMA has evolved into a stable and reliable tool. Thanks for the good work Ambo!
b.t.w. are you aware of the fact that BPC's are calculated at BPO value? My NAV was a bit high and i turned out EMMA calculated the est.value of a few Typhoon BPC's at 16B. Perhaps it's better to leave out BPC's / BPO's at all in NAV / ASSET reports?
About the industry jobs update (which i applaud loudly here :)). How are you going to know which ME value is used for bpc/bpo's? Because don't you need this information to calculate the used materials and thus costs?
Thanks. :)
The BPO/BPC situation was all but impossible to resolve before. The next update will include improvements to BPO/BPC management and valuation.
The ME value actually comes from the industry job itself so there should be no problem there.
Originally by: sir gankalot
What my problem is: It says cost of unit near 330 million while even with MAX possible overhead costs, I NEVAR bought PLEX at those prices. Well, maybe a year ago but those are long gone, either used or traded (yes I know that 100% certain).
In august, the most I spent for one was 318.4, and those VERY same got sold for just shy of 332 mil. And all my plex trades had at LEAST a gross margin of 10 mill that month, and most had a lot more.
Now unless my overhead calculations are completely wrong, EMMA is wrong .
I did use some PLEX to extend my accounts but those were bought and immediatly added to game time.
Even if that would have caused the strange numbers, there are other items that appear to have too high 'cost of units sold'. I'm just using the PLEX as example cuz it stands out.
But right now I'm looking at an item I bought 8 off at 34.something that gets 38. something at cost of units sold.
If you could take a look at the data I'd be most happy. Should I EVE mail you about that?
Btw: though EMMA says it requires a License now, I can still make an item report despite getting the "trial ended" message.
Ok, I suspect that what's going on is a hangover from the older system. Since items that were consumed were essentially invisible, this caused really old values to sometimes be used.
In any case, you can email me the database ([email protected]) and I'll take a look. Thanks for the info about the license as well, serves me right for rushing things today. :P --------------------------------------
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Ambo
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:31:00 -
[596]
Version 1.5.2.10 is now up.
- The licensing module will now shut the program down correctly if the user does not have a valid license.
- Corrected a rare problem that could cause assets updates to get stuck in the 'queued' state.
- Asset value and value of items in sell orders are again shown seperately on the NAV report.
- The API update status panel now displays the names of characters and corps.
- Updated the 'Check/Repair Data' button to also migrate corporate asset and order data stored against a character ID to the correct corp ID.
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.09.02 14:08:00 -
[597]
Edited by: sir gankalot on 02/09/2010 14:14:49
Originally by: Ambo
Ok, I suspect that what's going on is a hangover from the older system. Since items that were consumed were essentially invisible, this caused really old values to sometimes be used.
In any case, you can email me the database ([email protected]) and I'll take a look. Thanks for the info about the license as well, serves me right for rushing things today. :P
Being an idiot, I have to ask: where can I find the database?
Edit: me thinks I found it.
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Razz XXX
Minmatar Vashta Nerada Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:23:00 -
[598]
Edited by: Razz XXX on 04/09/2010 00:23:51 Thanks for taking time on my input in last update.
Got another ideal.
Manufacturing jobs update every 15mins wondering where I can change this to every 1hr or once day.
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Vegor Fintash
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:04:00 -
[599]
How do you get a license and what is the cost?
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:12:00 -
[600]
Originally by: Vegor Fintash How do you get a license and what is the cost?
Originally by: Ambo
If you did not previously buy a license then you have 3 options to keep using EMMA:
1) Disable automatic updates and continue to use the current version for free indefinitely. As soon as you update to a new version, EMMA will no longer be useable. 2) Pay 50 mil isk for a 'lite' license. This allows you to have one character or corp per report group but otherwise, all functionality is available. 3) Pay 100 mil isk for full license that allows unrestricted use.
Send Money to Ambo, and probably drop him an evemail.
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