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Fantasia Freelance
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Posted - 2009.09.17 17:21:00 -
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Where can I find a link to a non-"starter" L4 Mission Runner (Raven or CNR)? All the Raven setups I'm seeing are for starters, i.e. people w/inadequate skills. Thanks!
See my in-game Contracts starting at 1 million like a full set of +3 Basic implants!
WTB Scourge missiles and +3 Basic implants in hi sec. |
Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.09.17 17:27:00 -
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I use:
Cruise II Faction/Best Named XL, 3 Hardener II, Hvy Cap Booster II, PWNAGE 4 CN BCU, DC II 3 Rigor 5 Hammers, 5 Hobs
I was goofing off in the Raven and finished Recon 1/3 in a shade over 10 mins. I figure I could have squeezed another minute out of it.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Fantasia Freelance
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Posted - 2009.09.17 17:37:00 -
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Ty vm! I can't even use cruise missiles yet, but I'm trying to set my sights on the end so I can plan my skill training accordingly.
See my in-game Contracts starting at 1 million like a full set of +3 Basic implants!
WTB Scourge missiles and +3 Basic implants in hi sec. |
AstroPhobic
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.09.17 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren I use:
Cruise II Faction/Best Named XL, 3 Hardener II, Hvy Cap Booster II, PWNAGE 4 CN BCU, DC II 3 Rigor 5 Hammers, 5 Hobs
I was goofing off in the Raven and finished Recon 1/3 in a shade over 10 mins. I figure I could have squeezed another minute out of it.
-Liang
Confirming this. I run this exact setup on a vanilla raven, and it works very well. Rage cruise against battleships gives nice output for a cruise raven.
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.17 21:42:00 -
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A middle point for a stock Raven,
6 Arbalest cruise + something if you want, I use an auto targetter T2 XL, hvy cap booster + 800s, 3 hardeners, pwnage 4 t2 bcu, DCU2
2x Rigors, and I use a CCC ( can't really fit 3 rigors with my alts skills yet )
Flight of med + light
It's not spectacular, but it's better than I expected after fleeting a lot of newbie Raven pilots.
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silvie
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.18 01:08:00 -
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just a little note..
having 4 bcu's
2x cn 2x t2 base line 3x cn 1x t2 = 9 more dps 4x cn 0t2 = 11 more dps.. the extra 200m worth 11 dps ? This post was posted with an alt. why i'd like to keep my true self hidden. |
Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.09.18 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: silvie just a little note..
having 4 bcu's
2x cn 2x t2 base line 3x cn 1x t2 = 9 more dps 4x cn 0t2 = 11 more dps.. the extra 200m worth 11 dps ?
If by 11 DPS you mean 50 DPS... yes. What else did you plan to put in those lows?
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Darthewok on 18/09/2009 06:45:46 v attractive fits (the X-L shield booster/3 hardener/cap booster fits), would like to try them since so many endorse it. can just an X-Large Shield Booster II tank enough for the harder missions? or is a dread guristas shield booster necessary? it is so cap intensive.
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Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.09.18 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 18/09/2009 06:45:46 v attractive fits (the X-L shield booster/3 hardener/cap booster fits), would like to try them since so many endorse it. can just an X-Large Shield Booster II tank enough for the harder missions? or is a dread guristas shield booster necessary? it is so cap intensive.
The DG XL is there for fittings. It's exactly as cap efficient as XL II
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.18 07:15:00 -
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hmm thanks. just got to get my missile skills up then to "DPS tank". have been reluctant to rely on cap boosting and quickly destroying rats, but i suppose that is the way most seasoned players are recommending to go. also curious how much better CNR is and if it is worth it.
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Mirabele
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Posted - 2009.09.18 07:22:00 -
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This is an awsomeway to fly a CNR. Its expensive though.
[Raven Navy Issue, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II
Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner <-- Or switch to something else. Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile [empty high slot] <--- Fit what ever you like
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5
If i fly an expensive ship, I want it to perma run. I Dont like to loose about 3 - 4 bil isk cuz my internet crashes. This ship perma runs everything exept the AB. Perma tanks 1498 DPS With fury & drones it deals 782 dps. Cap stable ( without AB )at 39% Omnitank, i dont have to switch hardeners for every mission: EM 66,9 TH 73,5 KIN 80,1 EXP 83.4
Theese stats are with a Crystal High Grate set !!
I usialy aggro the entire room, and no lvl 4 broke my tank yet ;)
Expensive, But its effective, and you will never loose ur ship due to internet crash or lagg =)
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Neriel Odershank
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Posted - 2009.09.18 09:01:00 -
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This is what i use (i'm a casual player and i can't afford faction stuff):
7x Cruise Launchers II
1x pithi b-type small shield booster 1x Shield Boost Amplifier II 4x specific rat shield hardeners II
1x Damage Control II 4x Ballistic Control Unit II
3x Rigor Rigs
If you know what you are doing you can easily run every level 4 mission (at least... i can).
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Openseeker
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:11:00 -
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Being stupid here, but:
What are Rigors ? And what is PWNAGE?
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:21:00 -
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Rigor = Warhead Rigor Catalyst rig PWNAGE = meta 4 target painter.
Somewhere there's an acronym guide, which would be a useful read.
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Pash Matok
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Posted - 2009.09.18 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Pash Matok on 18/09/2009 13:01:12
Originally by: Liang Nuren I use:
Cruise II Faction/Best Named XL, 3 Hardener II, Hvy Cap Booster II, PWNAGE 4 CN BCU, DC II 3 Rigor 5 Hammers, 5 Hobs
I was goofing off in the Raven and finished Recon 1/3 in a shade over 10 mins. I figure I could have squeezed another minute out of it.
-Liang
Yo Liang,
I currently run this on my CNR:
7xCN Cruise DG LG Booster, amp, 4x hardners... 3xCN BCU and 2x cap flux.. 3xCCC rigs...
If I were to switch to for instance you're set up of 3xrigor + the PWNG w/XL booster....how much of an improvement would that be over my current fit???
I don't use faction ammo or even t2 ammo since they are too expensive and I don't got t2 cruise yet, i just use the regular cruise ammo...But I also run gallente missions... input would be welcome :D
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Openseeker
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Posted - 2009.09.18 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Von Kapiche Rigor = Warhead Rigor Catalyst rig PWNAGE = meta 4 target painter.
Somewhere there's an acronym guide, which would be a useful read.
ROFL! Yes it would!
Duh! I is a Eve Player....love that acronym on the Painter, lol!
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Alberico DeSandre
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Posted - 2009.09.18 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Alberico DeSandre on 18/09/2009 13:55:24 Edited by: Alberico DeSandre on 18/09/2009 13:54:52
Originally by: Mirabele This is an awsomeway to fly a CNR. Its expensive though.
[Raven Navy Issue, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II
Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner <-- Or switch to something else. Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile [empty high slot] <--- Fit what ever you like
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5
If i fly an expensive ship, I want it to perma run. I Dont like to loose about 3 - 4 bil isk cuz my internet crashes. This ship perma runs everything exept the AB. Perma tanks 1498 DPS With fury & drones it deals 782 dps. Cap stable ( without AB )at 39% Omnitank, i dont have to switch hardeners for every mission: EM 66,9 TH 73,5 KIN 80,1 EXP 83.4
Theese stats are with a Crystal High Grate set !!
I usialy aggro the entire room, and no lvl 4 broke my tank yet ;)
Expensive, But its effective, and you will never loose ur ship due to internet crash or lagg =)
I think you'd get a better tankable dropping the 3xinvulns and boost amp for 4 mission specific hardeners. They use a little less cap overall but more importantly save you 1.4+ billion isk and result in equal tankable, better in some cases. Just something to point out.
For the OP, a non starter CNR could be along the lines of:
[Raven Navy Issue, Small Pithi A/B] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Type-D Attenuation Signal Augmentation
Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile [empty high slot]
Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
When I built this permarun wasn't a requirement, but it happens to permarun and sustain 340 against serpentis. As a benchmark I used the navy megathron that I flew for about a year, it permatanked around 250 DPS and didn't need refit for anything except AE bonus. 340 is plenty. If you're not comfortable with that amount or if your cap skills aren't near perfect then you can drop the signal amp in the lowslot for a damage control or power diagnostic.
You can swap the GistB medium for a PithA small. Saves you a 100mil or two and you lose only 20dps sustainable.
One thing I like about this fit is you get pretty good bang for the buck on every module except for the shield booster, and if you go for a PithA-small then even that's a non issue.
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Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.09.18 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 18/09/2009 16:05:46
Originally by: Pash Matok
Yo Liang,
I currently run this on my CNR:
7xCN Cruise DG LG Booster, amp, 4x hardners... 3xCN BCU and 2x cap flux.. 3xCCC rigs...
If I were to switch to for instance you're set up of 3xrigor + the PWNG w/XL booster....how much of an improvement would that be over my current fit???
I don't use faction ammo or even t2 ammo since they are too expensive and I don't got t2 cruise yet, i just use the regular cruise ammo...But I also run gallente missions... input would be welcome :D
Well it's hard to say how much of an improvement it will be. I went from a very similar setup (3 CN BCU, 2 PDU, CCCs) to the one above and it was a really huge difference - sometimes cutting my mission times in half. I got another good boost to my mission speed when I dropped my CN launchers+Faction for T2+Fury. IMO, you will be pleasantly surprised to make the switch, even if you keep the CN launchers and T1 ammo.
Think about it this way: There's lots of people that swear by the Nighthawk and it's ability to run missions "as good as or better than a CNR". It's your CNR fitting variant that they refer to when they say that. I'm really looking forward to picking up my Golem in a couple of days. I delayed training it for a long time because I was content, but now I'm really curious whether the torp or cruise Golem is really better with a realistic fit (2 PWNAGE is about as much as I really consider realistic). :)
-Liang
Ed: For the record, if it's a *really* BS heavy mission you can drop the target painter for another hardener (and this will require faction hardeners IIRC). Sure, your performance against the cruisers will hurt, but I think it's "only" a one volley difference. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
AnEwok
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Posted - 2009.09.19 18:54:00 -
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I'm using roughly the same builds to great effect...
Liang, would you say using faction cruise missiles is warranted for CN Cruise launchers? Is the payoff greater then the cost?
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Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.09.19 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 19/09/2009 19:00:24
Originally by: AnEwok I'm using roughly the same builds to great effect...
Liang, would you say using faction cruise missiles is warranted for CN Cruise launchers? Is the payoff greater then the cost?
Yes, but IMO T2 + Fury yields better cost efficiency.
-Liang
Ed: Not just better cost efficiency, but better ISK performance as well. Fury has higher base DPS and dispatches battleships faster - and for less ISK. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
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Mirabele
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Posted - 2009.09.21 05:16:00 -
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I think you'd get a better tankable dropping the 3xinvulns and boost amp for 4 mission specific hardeners. They use a little less cap overall but more importantly save you 1.4+ billion isk and result in equal tankable, better in some cases. Just something to point out.
Ofc its better. But with this setup you dont need "extra tank" it already tanks 1400 dps. And it does it perma, and for all damages. But its the omni tank you want, Beeing abel to run every missions without having to change ur setup. And all the Ravens out there with the medium or small boosters aint that good. Sure it works when 100% controling the aggro. But when something goes wrong, and you got 2 groups on you, or a spawn, Ur ****ed, resulting in you having to warp out.
But i do agree that its expensive as hell for a novice missionrunner. But its worth it 100% once you get there =)
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Horny girl1
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Posted - 2009.09.21 08:47:00 -
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normal raven with in low: 2BCU t2 and 1 DG BCU, 2 pds II med: t2 shild ampfly, cap recharge, DG large shild booster, em,therm,inv (depends) rigs: 3ccc Hi: cruise t2, 1 salvager and 1 tractor
plus crystal set.
Best setup for raven AND is cap stable all the time. There is no missions i can/t do it and if i get in massive dps, i just overload a bit and thats it... Why raven....cose while u killing stuf...u also salvage bs wrecks and loot them and is fastest way to get isk....cose 1 more cruise lancher makes not that big change. Only if u want to fly golem :)
But i realy thinks is best raven fit
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.09.21 12:21:00 -
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A note on running 4 CN BCUs
If you drop the 4th one down to a T2 you loose 4 total DPS. Thats on a CNR with max skill, if your flying a raven or dont have max skills the difference would be smaller.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.09.21 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 21/09/2009 14:55:04
Originally by: Ghoest A note on running 4 CN BCUs
If you drop the 4th one down to a T2 you loose 4 total DPS. Thats on a CNR with max skill, if your flying a raven or dont have max skills the difference would be smaller.
Comments: - I show 5 DPS and 40 alpha. The alpha *can* be important in preventing a third volley. The nice part is that you're not trading alpha for DPS. - CN BCUs have much better fitting than T2 BCUs. This will mean someone can get by with having Missile Rigging 4 instead of 5 (for example) - CN BCUs have not fluctuated in price since I started looking at them. They are an investment - if you want to buy them and then decide you need ISK - then sell them for almost exactly what you paid for them. In the mean time: pure profit.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Leather Jack
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.21 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Leather Jack on 21/09/2009 15:14:21
Originally by: Liang Nuren I'm really looking forward to picking up my Golem in a couple of days. I delayed training it for a long time because I was content, but now I'm really curious whether the torp or cruise Golem is really better with a realistic fit (2 PWNAGE is about as much as I really consider realistic).
I'm looking forward to your verdict on the torp golem compared to your experience with the cruise CNR.
Edit. Quote fail
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Clasina
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Posted - 2009.09.21 15:55:00 -
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theres no need for faction mods outside of making your CNR a space pinata.
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Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.09.21 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 21/09/2009 16:57:28
Originally by: Clasina theres no need for faction mods outside of making your CNR a space pinata.
While you're technically right, 4 CN BCUs is hardly anything more than a splash of faction. The CN booster can be replaced by either a T2 large or C5-L. I've missioned for a long time with the best named shield booster, but I do appreciate the extra oomph from "T2". Either way, the ship is still pretty dirt cheap.
Originally by: Leather Jack
I'm looking forward to your verdict on the torp golem compared to your experience with the cruise CNR.
Edit. Quote fail
Me too. I've had max missile skills for quite some time, so it should be an interesting experiment.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.09.21 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Comments: - I show 5 DPS and 40 alpha. The alpha *can* be important in preventing a third volley. The nice part is that you're not trading alpha for DPS. - CN BCUs have much better fitting than T2 BCUs. This will mean someone can get by with having Missile Rigging 4 instead of 5 (for example) - CN BCUs have not fluctuated in price since I started looking at them. They are an investment - if you want to buy them and then decide you need ISK - then sell them for almost exactly what you paid for them. In the mean time: pure profit.
-Liang
Im not saying you should not use the 4th one at all. But if youre concerned about costs its a good place to cut first.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.09.21 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 21/09/2009 14:55:04
Originally by: Ghoest A note on running 4 CN BCUs
If you drop the 4th one down to a T2 you loose 4 total DPS. Thats on a CNR with max skill, if your flying a raven or dont have max skills the difference would be smaller.
Comments: - I show 5 DPS and 40 alpha. The alpha *can* be important in preventing a third volley. The nice part is that you're not trading alpha for DPS. - CN BCUs have much better fitting than T2 BCUs. This will mean someone can get by with having Missile Rigging 4 instead of 5 (for example) - CN BCUs have not fluctuated in price since I started looking at them. They are an investment - if you want to buy them and then decide you need ISK - then sell them for almost exactly what you paid for them. In the mean time: pure profit.
-Liang
CN BCUS have gone up from what I have seen. I remember them being much cheaper, heh my isk:lp spreadsheet has them at 78mil, think the last time I updated that was around late spring/early summer. assuming these were one of the items beeing kept low by isk farmers as under 600 isk:lp ftl. (look like they are a bit under 1000 isk:lp now, as tag prices went up a bit)
oh and Liang, the golem is so awesome, 8k alpha ftw You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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