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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2012.06.05 23:10:00 -
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I guess this should be the right forum.
After watching these E3 vids on Halo 4 I can-¦t help but notice the obvious slant towards "sandbox" gameplay and big multiplayer (pvp&coop) gameplay. Heck the Dev himself even starts spouting of basically the same marketing speak we heard from CCP.
What do you guys think? Am I imagining things or is CCP in deep doodoo, as IMHO they surely can-¦t compete with a HALO franchise "MMO-FPS". YES, even if it-¦s on a different console. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1395
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Posted - 2012.06.05 23:55:00 -
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Halo is Xbox exclusive |
ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:00:00 -
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ivar R'dhak wrote: YES, even if it-¦s on a different console.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:04:00 -
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Halo 4 = Metriod Prime 4.
Anyways Planet Side 2 closest competitor there is for dust 514.
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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:12:00 -
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Planetside, yeah. I-¦m more partial to Firefall. Though that-¦s really not a helpful comparison. Let-¦s stick to the console wars. |
Loius Woo
PATRIOT KNIGHTS
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:17:00 -
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Halo 4 - Players engage in whatever story ideas the developers can come up with, and thats it.
Dust 514 - The Devs give you **** to blow up, and you figure out the story for yourself.
Just because they say it is "persistent" and "multiplayer" doesnt make it even a little bit like Eve or Dust.
If someone misses an "episode" in Halo 4, what then? What about the multiplayer "wargames"? Who cares if you win or lose in Halo? Its not your money, your armor, your vehicle that goes up in flames when you lose. In Halo you arent fighting over your planets, you are fighting over whatever the story writers came up with for you to fight over. And oh by the way, are there other gamers in Halo 4 that fly spaceships, build and sell the equipment you use, or bombard the battlefield you are fighting on?
So, in short, no.
What Halo 4 gives us though is a game to point people to when they whine about how Dust is "too hard" or the skills take "too long" or just general pansy BS. We can say "hey man, Eve is hard and so is Dust, the kiddie park is over that way" |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:44:00 -
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I'm not gonna come on here and diss Halo. Halo is an awesome game. It's hard to go from living one respawn to the next to something that sticks with you as long as EvE has with me though... so we'll see if something is lost in translation. I just like halo for the awesome gameplay. Campaign? yah I do it once or twice and then never go back.
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.06 01:16:00 -
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===Dust===
Persistent universe with cross-platform connection. Story created by the players who make a name for themselves.
===Halo===
Story provided by the devs. No one else. No one can make a name for themselves other than just having a pretty scoreboard. Cross-platform connection probably existed between the PC and Xbox (that big clunky box with a giant "X" on top) version of Halo: Combat Evolved (non-anniversary one) and that's probably it. Don't know why it stopped there.
=== Competitiveness?===
How can they compete if they're not even on the same console? Adapt or Die |
ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2012.06.06 01:36:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:=== Competitiveness?===
How can they compete if they're not even on the same console? By encouraging the undecided buyer to ignore one console?
The main thing DUST has going for it is the free MMO aspect. Halo 4 is directly challenging that(maybe not the free part) and it already has a MASSIVE player fanbase.
Remember, the average console FPS kiddy has never heard of EVE and could care less about crap like planetary interaction. They first have to be educated/indoctrinated on the "new" possibilities.
Halo on the other hand is well known, easy, fun and maybe just fresh & exciting enough with the constant new TV-like episodes. Perfect consumer fodder.
All hail the Hypno-Halo. |
Loius Woo
PATRIOT KNIGHTS
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:26:00 -
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ivar R'dhak wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:=== Competitiveness?===
How can they compete if they're not even on the same console? By encouraging the undecided buyer to ignore one console? The main thing DUST has going for it is the free MMO aspect. Halo 4 is directly challenging that(maybe not the free part) and it already has a MASSIVE player fanbase. Remember, the average console FPS kiddy has never heard of EVE and could care less about crap like planetary interaction. They first have to be educated/indoctrinated on the "new" possibilities. Halo on the other hand is well known, easy, fun and maybe just fresh & exciting enough with the constant new TV-like episodes. Perfect consumer fodder. All hail the Hypno-Halo.
If you think console FPS platers don't CRAVE meaning and persistence in their battles then you are deluded.
Dust = persistence and meaning
Halo = same gameplay new story.
They are NOT competitors!
Dust is the first of its kind, Halo 4 is just another Halo.
Some people will play dust and not like it because it is not easy like Halo. Thats fine. I don't need them.
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Hega Modo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.06 03:50:00 -
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Deff not, Halo 4 has such a big fan base, and has been around for awhile, In no way will Dust compete with Halo, Its the truth. |
Loius Woo
PATRIOT KNIGHTS
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:11:00 -
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Hega Modo wrote:Deff not, Halo 4 has such a big fan base, and has been around for awhile, In no way will Dust compete with Halo, Its the truth.
I loved Halo, its what got me into FPS.
Now I hate Halo cause it never delivered on its potential. Each game was practically the same as the last. Not as bad as Call of Duty, but still stuck in a rut.
I think DUST is going to be a genre changer. All FPS after DUST will be measured by how it compares to DUST.
Don't forget that the generations that grew up with the more simple (kiddie) FPS games on console are all grown up now and tired of the same old same old 13 year old trash talkers corpse humping and simple, bite sized content with no persistency.
I think the FPS world is ready for a grown up game.
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Nachteule Kohen
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:25:00 -
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i don't think there is a competitor besides planetside 2. but that's just me. |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.06.06 17:17:00 -
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ivar R'dhak wrote:I guess this should be the right forum.
Heck the Dev himself even starts spouting of basically the same marketing speak we heard from CCP.
What do you guys think?
CCP created a sandbox way before HALO devs even thought of it. If anything HALO is copying CCP's idea.
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:13:00 -
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Dust 514 is a F2P game and because it is a F2P title, I don't think CCP need worry about the competition when there is none on the PS3 platform because neither CoD or BF come even close on the scale of persistent gameplay as Dust 514.
If anything, the closest thing to anything resembling competition would be Planetside 2, a F2P exclusive for PC. |
Hega Modo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:40:00 -
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highonpop wrote:ivar R'dhak wrote:I guess this should be the right forum.
Heck the Dev himself even starts spouting of basically the same marketing speak we heard from CCP.
What do you guys think? CCP created a sandbox way before HALO devs even thought of it. If anything HALO is copying CCP's idea. The **** are you talking about? "Grrf." -Chewbacca-á |
Nachteule Kohen
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:02:00 -
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halo was released in 2001. clearly a troll up there. |
TigerXtrm
Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:07:00 -
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highonpop wrote:ivar R'dhak wrote:I guess this should be the right forum.
Heck the Dev himself even starts spouting of basically the same marketing speak we heard from CCP.
What do you guys think? CCP created a sandbox way before HALO devs even thought of it. If anything HALO is copying CCP's idea.
What the... Do you even have a clue about what you're saying? |
Hega Modo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.07 02:16:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:highonpop wrote:ivar R'dhak wrote:I guess this should be the right forum.
Heck the Dev himself even starts spouting of basically the same marketing speak we heard from CCP.
What do you guys think? CCP created a sandbox way before HALO devs even thought of it. If anything HALO is copying CCP's idea. What the... Do you even have a clue about what you're saying? No he does not... I am also very confused. "Grrf." -Chewbacca-á |
Gally Alita
Thee Almitee Ones The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:49:00 -
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Hmm I haven't played Dust yet but Halo is amazing IMO. Halo is amazing because of the elements of gameplay is so entertaining and while Dust from what I seen is much linear. Reach you can create your own gameplay environment and dust is more like COD meets KZ and with some Quafe advisement. |
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 22:54:00 -
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Loius Woo wrote:Hega Modo wrote:Deff not, Halo 4 has such a big fan base, and has been around for awhile, In no way will Dust compete with Halo, Its the truth. I loved Halo, its what got me into FPS. Now I hate Halo cause it never delivered on its potential. Each game was practically the same as the last. Not as bad as Call of Duty, but still stuck in a rut. I think DUST is going to be a genre changer. All FPS after DUST will be measured by how it compares to DUST. Don't forget that the generations that grew up with the more simple (kiddie) FPS games on console are all grown up now and tired of the same old same old 13 year old trash talkers corpse humping and simple, bite sized content with no persistency. I think the FPS world is ready for a grown up game.
this halo 1 and 2 stole the FPS crown from PC and gave it to its rightful console overlords. but halo is dieing. halo 4 looks alright but halo 3, ODST and reach sucked multiplayer vs. halo 1 is still the best and 2 was alright. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2012.06.11 10:08:00 -
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Planet Side 2 is direct competitor. And its available for us all, PC users. |
Tibus Massani
Apoclypse Knights
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:05:00 -
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As a Halo player, I'd say no. The games are entirely too different, and Halo has a huge fanbase that's been around for longer. |
Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas
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Posted - 2012.06.13 01:58:00 -
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Am I sensing a Go back to halo meme for DUST in the making? |
Rachel Silverside
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Flatline.
0
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Posted - 2012.06.13 12:58:00 -
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Veronica Kerrigan wrote:Am I sensing a Go back to halo meme for DUST in the making? We would tell them to GTFO but our scouts have already taken out their tanks and they apparently don't have clones. |
Hurtado Soneka
Vindicare Temple
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Posted - 2012.06.13 17:49:00 -
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Halo games are ****, it wont be competing with anything
Dust is really a niche game, but as a straight up FPS shooter it will probably be overshadowed by anything on the market :s |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
382
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:09:00 -
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Gally Alita wrote:Hmm I haven't played Dust yet but Halo is amazing IMO. Halo is amazing because of the elements of gameplay is so entertaining and while Dust from what I seen is much linear. Reach you can create your own gameplay environment and dust is more like COD meets KZ and with some Quafe advisement.
http://www.dust514.org/
Read up on it. Even though you haven't played DUST and might not be able to in the future, you should at least be informed about it. I'm in the beta right now and I can tell you is what it's NOT:
1. It's nothing like COD 2. It's nothing like KZ 3. It's not linear (not even close).
Some games, like Mass Effect let you make choices that affect the storyline. But the choices hardly have any meaning. In Eve Online, the choices are visible and have a deep underlying impact on the economy of New Eden as a whole. Because of this, players have made a name for themselves here:
1. The Mittani 2. James315 3. Hellicity Boson 4. The dude who circumvented the New Eden cluster while crossing hostile territory controlled by player-run alliances. 5. The first career ganker in Eve Online history. 6. The famous Eve Bank pronzi schemer from the days of old (this made the news, by the way). 7. The fourth of July and New Year's Eve celebrations in Jita and Maurasi.
What does COD, Halo, and KZ offer? Just linear storylines, no emergent gameplay, same old "shoot 'em up" ADHD style.
By the way, I have played KZ, COD, and All versions of Halo (I'm a halo fan too) and they are nothing like DUST. Adapt or Die |
Drake Wolfguard
Trans-Aerospace Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:21:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote: Because of this, players have made a name for themselves here:
1. The Mittani 2. James315 3. Hellicity Boson 4. The dude who circumvented the New Eden cluster while crossing hostile territory controlled by player-run alliances. 5. The first career ganker in Eve Online history. 6. The famous Eve Bank pronzi schemer from the days of old (this made the news, by the way). 7. The fourth of July and New Year's Eve celebrations in Jita and Maurasi.
You forgot to put Chribba on that list! For shame... |
ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
63
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Posted - 2012.06.16 17:07:00 -
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Drake Wolfguard wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote: Because of this, players have made a name for themselves here:
1. The Mittani 2. James315 3. Hellicity Boson 4. The dude who circumvented the New Eden cluster while crossing hostile territory controlled by player-run alliances. 5. The first career ganker in Eve Online history. 6. The famous Eve Bank pronzi schemer from the days of old (this made the news, by the way). 7. The fourth of July and New Year's Eve celebrations in Jita and Maurasi.
You forgot to put Chribba on that list! For shame... And that this list is only relevant to the PC side.
Again the FPS kiddies could care less. All they want is a "cool" new FPS to consume and somebody to teabag, no?
Halo will give them just that in an upgraded package that may finally deliver on the promises it held for all these years. There-¦s a reason they all keep buying a new NHL and CoD every year.
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Rolyat Aideron
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
2
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Posted - 2012.06.16 17:54:00 -
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ivar R'dhak wrote: Again the FPS kiddies could care less. All they want is a "cool" new FPS to consume and somebody to teabag, no?
Maybe the little kids you always hear about on consules, but i know a good sized community of consule players that are waiting for a game that doesn't take them a weekend to "vet" or prestige or whatever the games people play call it.
Many are drawn by the 7 years total it'd take in Dust514 to max out the current skill list they have.
Others by the owning of a piece of planets in New Eden. Something to show for their teamwork other then some stats or some recorded video of some clan match that really had no effect on the group.
There is a community out there that has been waiting for Dust 514.
the ones that you're talking about are surely going to try out a free downloadable FPS game, but how long they last will depend on the environment they can learn the game in. |
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