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Bethany Blaze
Amarr Cool Story Bro
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Posted - 2009.10.06 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Originally by: OwlManAtt
Originally by: De'Veldrin Unfortunately, no. We can simply think of this as the asshat CSM and (hopefully) not have a repeat in the future.
This issue passed in the CSM. You have three other delegates to thank, not just mazz.
Complete crap. Three CSMs have just guaranteed they will never get a vote from me. I encourage just about everyone to take this stance. Even if they pass this nonsense, make sure they don't benefit from it.
CCP still has final say. It is, in fact, their game...their rules. They can decide to completely ignore whatever the CSMs have done on this matter, should they choose to.
Still, I already know who I'm voting for. His home corn liquor brew sold me.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.06 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: OwlManAtt
Originally by: De'Veldrin Unfortunately, no. We can simply think of this as the asshat CSM and (hopefully) not have a repeat in the future.
This issue passed in the CSM. You have three other delegates to thank, not just mazz.
I don't think I'd want to go so far as to impeach or recall mazz, as (s)he's done a lot of good work on the CSM...but this particular issue has been handled very badly.
There are also no hard rules on how an issue needs to be proposed to the CSM, so while this may be a rather disappointing incident, there is technically nothing ``wrong'' about it.
All you can do is remember who voted to pass this issue when it comes time for voting.
Ah yes... let's all thank the egotistical "I got boobs" (no offense to De of course) Lets make a proposal and vote it in with less than 3 supports for making such a stellar farce of this CSM term.
Yes... much good to be had here.
I'm glad you love this sort of thing.. it's no wonder the CSM have a hell of a time retaining any sense of decency let alone respect WHEN THERE OWN ####ING PEOPLE IGNORE THE ####ING PUBLIC.
Normally I always back them... but this... is crossing the line.
Hell I'd say this is WORSE Than Lark... at least he had the guts to fess up to it (sorta kinda). ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.07 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: OwlManAtt
Originally by: De'Veldrin Unfortunately, no. We can simply think of this as the asshat CSM and (hopefully) not have a repeat in the future.
This issue passed in the CSM. You have three other delegates to thank, not just mazz.
I don't think I'd want to go so far as to impeach or recall mazz, as (s)he's done a lot of good work on the CSM...but this particular issue has been handled very badly.
There are also no hard rules on how an issue needs to be proposed to the CSM, so while this may be a rather disappointing incident, there is technically nothing ``wrong'' about it.
All you can do is remember who voted to pass this issue when it comes time for voting.
Ah yes... let's all thank the egotistical "I got boobs" (no offense to De of course) Lets make a proposal and vote it in with less than 3 supports for making such a stellar farce of this CSM term.
Yes... much good to be had here.
I'm glad you love this sort of thing.. it's no wonder the CSM have a hell of a time retaining any sense of decency let alone respect WHEN THERE OWN ####ING PEOPLE IGNORE THE ####ING PUBLIC.
Normally I always back them... but this... is crossing the line.
Hell I'd say this is WORSE Than Lark... at least he had the guts to fess up to it (sorta kinda).
haha i am quoting this for posterity because this is funny.
if ccp pass this issue i suggest you quit eve
MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU. |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 07/10/2009 14:32:27 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 07/10/2009 14:29:57 Then answer me this miss ego trip.
Why did you pass this when there was no support?
I'm quite sure that EVERYONE here would like to know that.
If you can't answer for your actions "I suggest you quit EVE."
Hell I just might run for one single reason... to make sure this crap doesn't happen again. I may not come up with great ideas and spend alot of time shooting down several really bad ideas but I'm not stupid enough to ignore the majority public opinion (no not the OMGTHEYKILLEDTHESCANNER angry mob) but when its obvious they don't support something you don't going around pushing the issue and then sit there acting all trollish and prideful.
This is an abuse of privilege and power.
Yes... CCP could still say no... that's not the point. The point is... you ignore the public and passed the damn thing anyway.
That is why you are as just as bad as Lark if not worse. A lot of people may hate me or not appreciate me but I think it's safe to say they agree with me ON THIS.
So what do you have to say for yourself?
What's wrong? Too busy asking me to shutup? ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.10.08 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 07/10/2009 14:32:27 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 07/10/2009 14:29:57 Why did you pass this when there was no support?
I'm quite sure that EVERYONE here would like to know that.
I would like to know the answer to this.
~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Mike Azariah
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:31:00 -
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No.
If CCP decided that certain members of a specific CSM were valuable assets to the company they could hire them on as consultants or community reps. They would then still be in a position to influence CCP without being stagnant holdovers of voting power blocs.
Fresh blood may need to relearn the job every six months but it still has a chance to make new idea blossom, make new mistakes, and maybe even manage a few new successes.
Term limits exist for a reason. Please keep them.
mike
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Gone'Postal
Naviworks Inc
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Posted - 2009.10.08 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 07/10/2009 14:32:27 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 07/10/2009 14:29:57 Why did you pass this when there was no support?
I'm quite sure that EVERYONE here would like to know that.
I would like to know the answer to this.
+1 I'd like to know as well.
Originally by: Rells
Without the carebears, the economy would be dead.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 20:28:00 -
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As usual, this just goes to show that in the end, some members of the CSM has their own agenda. Representing the eve community is the last thing on their mind.
Yet another sad day for the current corrupt CSM council.
Next thing you know we will hear about a CSM member using insider information to attempt to profit... oh wait.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky As usual, this just goes to show that in the end, some members of the CSM has their own agenda. Representing the eve community is the last thing on their mind.
Yet another sad day for the current corrupt CSM council.
Next thing you know we will hear about a CSM member using insider information to attempt to profit... oh wait.
Well that's EvE for you.
Of course it's a terrible idea, no-one's disputing that. All this emo butt-hurt about it, though...
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.08 22:27:00 -
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The nerd rage here is palpable.
From my (limited) perspective.
As a CSM Virgin there was very little in the way of feedback from CCP about how we were supposed to conduct ourselves... it was simply a case of 'You're coming to Iceland on these dates... crack on ladies and gents.', at least in my experience, I know there was a bit more conversation between DV and CCP Xhagen.
It wasn't until we got to Iceland that we really started to see how the process operates and what it's all about (and by that I don't mean insider trading )... so it's not really until the second term that people are really able to start making a real contribution (not that myself or any of the first termers didn't add a lot to what was going on), at least in the run up to the Iceland summit.
Mazz's suggestion is pretty balanced if you read it, maybe not entirely correct. Certainly things do need to be looked at. Most of the trolling here is typical CSM and flamebait from the usual suspects. Knock yourselves out, I enjoy reading it. If you're so rabidly opposed why don't you run for the CSM this time around and make sure you use your powers for good rather than act as a malignant despot like everyone on the current CSM!
With regards to power blocs keeping the same people in position year after year... I do realise that many people in these blocs are mindless drones essentially but I don't think many of them would put up with their alliance being represented by an incompetant boob. I believe the Goons ran their own internal primaries and I'm sure many other Alliances did. You don't like that? It's the way the cookie crumbles. Joe Bloggs from 0.0 Naptrain Bloc 2 is going to be able to rally much more popular support than John Smith from Empire Mining and Production Corp 1532523. It just means you have to put in the extra effort. The CSM is a political body and as a consequence of that the most powerful organisations are going to make sure they have representation. If you are naive to think it's going to be any other way then l2politics.
The arguement that most people live in hisec and the CSM is a misrepresentation is pish and codswallop. You will probably find that of people in hisec a large proportion are farmers, trade/hauling alts for 0.0 types or mission alts for 0.0 types. Regardless, the vast majority of goods manufactured and generated in Hisec are going to make their way up the chain to the 0.0 war machine. That doesn't mean Empire should be or is ignored by any stretch of the imagination. In fact on the current council 5/4 members predominantly stick to High/Low sec.
tl;dr...
CSM is a force for good. Term limits need to be looked at, maybe not in the way suggested but a bit of a shake up is in order. Perhaps not right now but certainly another year or so down the line. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.08 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis lalallalala
the reason they implemented the term limits is because they were emulating some sort of icelandic system of government and the issue itself wasnt exactly a big deal for them. it was just that way because they had to pick SOME way, and that was as good as any other way, knowing what they knew back then.
like i said in another post, the assembly hall is like the equivalent of CAOD for the CSM. its a good measure of the opinion of a few dozen active assembly hall posters, and that's about it. i'm mourning the fact that i will never get the votes of a few dozen of you, i really am. pretty much almost every single issue ive raised was one i raised myself or something that didnt get more then a full page of replies much less actual popular support. but was something that was blatantly broken with the game.
for example one issue ive raised all the way back in April(create tools to detect macroers without player petitions involved) got trolled to absolute **** and i ended up not raising it- but then(in september, the first iceland trip) during a meeting, one of the devs specifically requested i send them a link to my list of suggestions since it was pretty much exactly what the "unholy rage" project was, months before it was even announced.
my point in all this is that aside from a few major issues(for example the huge reaction following the scanner change), the assembly hall is pretty much a gallery of ideas and csm members can load up their shopping cart with whatever they want. a lot of ideas are bad ideas or repeats. the reason for this specific issue that i have raised is because the first term of CSM members is largely spent being useless. learning the system, figuring out what the ****, et cetera. by the second term they finally know what is going on, and pretty soon after that they are disqualified for life.
term limits in real life are intended to prevent corruption, since the longer someone serves the more likely they will be more of a detriment then a benefit to their office. the CSM is not applicable to this since there's not really any ingame special interest groups that are trying to push issues at the cost of another group of players. instead, the longer a csm member serves the better they are able to serve, since this sort of position is more like a consultant job then an actual public office. the better handle the CSM member gets on how ccp works internally, the better they are able to filter good ideas from bad ones, and the better they are able to re-work raw ideas into forms that ccp can actually implement.
so tl;dr: yeah i do a lot of assembly hall trolling, and you can interpret my motives any way you want(i suggest you interpret them in the most malicious way possible), but at the end of the day im not really going to get my measure of public opinion from what the CSM-caod-equivalent posters say, AKA i dont really care about what mr. drake draconis thinks.
MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU. |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.09 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 09/10/2009 05:31:59 So let me get this straight.
You know what the CSM is about... and what they are supposed to do.
But you don't give a flying #### what people say?
Wow... I'm starting to see why so many people hate the CSM.
Here's a staggering question for you guys who hate me/like me/don't know what to think of me.
Hows this for a new party - The one that gives a #### what the "rational" people think... the one that listens to the public opinion and pays attention to those who support and those who don't.
The one that doesn't force the issue in spite of fierce opposition.
Here's the scary part... talking to my executor... he says they could drum up enough support to push me through... only thing is... I'm not even sure its worth it thanks to larkonis's surprisingly clear description first hand.
o7 @ Lark
What something even scarrier...
I labeled "I got's boobs" worse that lark.
Lark I read your post... you know what... I think you just re-earned some lost respect points from me... If you acted like that all the time I'd be backing you 110% all the time. No I'm not gonna condone your stupidity in violating the NDA... you should have been banned for that... but you coming here saying what you did made me pause and consider that perhaps i was quick to judge. Ignoring your crimes that is.
Because YOU understand what its about... that's obvious.
I am not attacking the CSM.
I'm attacking people in the CSM who blatantly broke one of its most sacred trusts...
Listening to the people.
It is one thing to ignore a 1000 mile long rant rave emo-rage post of people screaming over the scanner.
It's an another to propose something... and get sane... rational.. thinking knowledgeable people to oppose you without the emo-rage/quit crap... and then boldly going up and telling all of us to #### off and passing a proposal.
I don't give a rat's @$$ what you think about the forums and its support system.
We all know it sucks and its practically broken.
I may be a pain in the butt here but I know ONE thing to be true.
You start ignoring the voice... you start counting your days before something smacks you in the face.
Mark my words... you don't play that kind of game here. Count on it.
The day the CSM starts ignoring people and there proposals is the day I stop posting here because It REALLY is a waste of time for me to say one bloody word.
This is why Im taking issue with this. I may be alot of things... but this is a BIG problem... and your flat out ignoring it Mazz.
Your ass should be tossed off the CSM council for ignoring that. I may be harsh... I may be terse... and people tend to take issue with that. I respect that... I'm passionate because I enjoy this game and I wan't to see it grow... and succeed. Can you honestly blame me for that?
There are far worse out there... I'm quite sure that people will quickly line up and question the fact that a CSM council member(s) decided to just flat out say screw them and pass a proposal we ALL clearly said no... and here's why and that and this.
Interpretation? Take your blinders off and take a gander at what you just ignored. Take a gooooood long look and tell me you honestly think you did right.
Your nuts if you didn't catch the loud roar of saying NO to extending or adding to the term.
Thank GOD your term is up for re-election. I'd sooner vote for Lark before I vote for you mazz. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Efrim Black
Gallente Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.10.09 05:42:00 -
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Same BS thats weighing down the real life senate.
A resounding no.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.09 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
So let me get this straight.
You know what the CSM is about... and what they are supposed to do.
But you don't give a flying #### what people say?
Wow... I'm starting to see why so many people hate the CSM.
Here's a staggering question for you guys who hate me/like me/don't know what to think of me.
Hows this for a new party - The one that gives a #### what the "rational" people think... the one that listens to the public opinion and pays attention to those who support and those who don't.
The one that doesn't force the issue in spite of fierce opposition.
Here's the scary part... talking to my executor... he says they could drum up enough support to push me through... only thing is... I'm not even sure its worth it thanks to larkonis's surprisingly clear description first hand.
o7 @ Lark
What something even scarrier...
I labeled "I got's boobs" worse that lark.
Lark I read your post... you know what... I think you just re-earned some lost respect points from me... If you acted like that all the time I'd be backing you 110% all the time. No I'm not gonna condone your stupidity in violating the NDA... you should have been banned for that... but you coming here saying what you did made me pause and consider that perhaps i was quick to judge. Ignoring your crimes that is.
Because YOU understand what its about... that's obvious.
I am not attacking the CSM.
I'm attacking people in the CSM who blatantly broke one of its most sacred trusts...
Listening to the people.
It is one thing to ignore a 1000 mile long rant rave emo-rage post of people screaming over the scanner.
It's an another to propose something... and get sane... rational.. thinking knowledgeable people to oppose you without the emo-rage/quit crap... and then boldly going up and telling all of us to #### off and passing a proposal.
I don't give a rat's @$$ what you think about the forums and its support system.
We all know it sucks and its practically broken.
I may be a pain in the butt here but I know ONE thing to be true.
You start ignoring the voice... you start counting your days before something smacks you in the face.
Mark my words... you don't play that kind of game here. Count on it.
The day the CSM starts ignoring people and there proposals is the day I stop posting here because It REALLY is a waste of time for me to say one bloody word.
This is why Im taking issue with this. I may be alot of things... but this is a BIG problem... and your flat out ignoring it Mazz.
Your ass should be tossed off the CSM council for ignoring that. I may be harsh... I may be terse... and people tend to take issue with that. I respect that... I'm passionate because I enjoy this game and I wan't to see it grow... and succeed. Can you honestly blame me for that?
There are far worse out there... I'm quite sure that people will quickly line up and question the fact that a CSM council member(s) decided to just flat out say screw them and pass a proposal we ALL clearly said no... and here's why and that and this.
Interpretation? Take your blinders off and take a gander at what you just ignored. Take a gooooood long look and tell me you honestly think you did right.
Your nuts if you didn't catch the loud roar of saying NO to extending or adding to the term.
Thank GOD your term is up for re-election. I'd sooner vote for Lark before I vote for you mazz.
im skipping the next term because beginning of the year terms suck. i'm running during a fanfest term for maximum relevance
also im going to quote your whole post because its absolutely adorable. no, sometimes people want something that isn't the best when talking about the internals of some system they have never really participated in. also most of my voters dont even use the assembly hall and dont have a clue about anything in the CSM, they usually just want webbers fixed or stuff like that. you're just one guy, who has one vote and a ton of posts
MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU. |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.09 05:58:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 09/10/2009 06:00:24 You keep hiding behind your delusional world of non-accountability and see how far that gets you.
You may think this is just one big game... and yes... EVE online is a game.
But its a game that many people enjoy and would like to see improved. Ignoring those people when they happen to know more than you think they do... is a fatal mistake.
We don't need to know how the system works.
We know that we post here to propose ideas... to be heard by CSM... to carry forward ideas to CCP.
That is the point here.
You posted an idea... it was rejected... you carried it forward in spite of that rejection... and it got passed.
What the hell did you expect? A hearty pat on the back?
Your more foolish than you look.
You won't think they are adorable when they start taking issue with that.
You can make as many excuses as you want. The fact remains... you abused the system for your own gain.
At least Lark had the guts to own up to it... that's more than anyone can say for you. No I don't approve what he did... but hes making some valid points... and yes... your proposal was fair and balanced as lark said.
But your proposal was rejected... and you obviously didn't give a ####. That's what has everyone saying:
What's the point of a CSM that won't listen? Why bother with it in the first place? For the first time I've started participating here... I'm starting to question why I bother defending you people in the first place! ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.09 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 09/10/2009 06:00:24 You keep hiding behind your delusional world of non-accountability and see how far that gets you.
You may think this is just one big game... and yes... EVE online is a game.
But its a game that many people enjoy and would like to see improved. Ignoring those people when they happen to know more than you think they do... is a fatal mistake.
We don't need to know how the system works.
We know that we post here to propose ideas... to be heard by CSM... to carry forward ideas to CCP.
That is the point here.
You posted an idea... it was rejected... you carried it forward in spite of that rejection... and it got passed.
What the hell did you expect? A hearty pat on the back?
Your more foolish than you look.
You won't think they are adorable when they start taking issue with that.
You can make as many excuses as you want. The fact remains... you abused the system for your own gain.
At least Lark had the guts to own up to it... that's more than anyone can say for you. No I don't approve what he did... but hes making some valid points... and yes... your proposal was fair and balanced as lark said.
But your proposal was rejected... and you obviously didn't give a ####. That's what has everyone saying:
What's the point of a CSM that won't listen? Why bother with it in the first place? For the first time I've started participating here... I'm starting to question why I bother defending you people in the first place!
one of the things i strive to do every day, dear drake, is to get your approval on the forums for my proposals. your thumbs up or thumbs down is a critical part of the voting process. this is why i respond to your posts, so i can get more of your important feedback. when i said that CSM first terms are largely spent being useless blobs while learning the ropes, that was pretty much it. im not quite sure what i should fess up to, but after the reputation i have been building up in EVE as of recent im not really sure what else other awful thing i can possibly admit to to make people think i am even worse.
MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU. |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.09 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 09/10/2009 06:00:24 You keep hiding behind your delusional world of non-accountability and see how far that gets you.
You may think this is just one big game... and yes... EVE online is a game.
But its a game that many people enjoy and would like to see improved. Ignoring those people when they happen to know more than you think they do... is a fatal mistake.
We don't need to know how the system works.
We know that we post here to propose ideas... to be heard by CSM... to carry forward ideas to CCP.
That is the point here.
You posted an idea... it was rejected... you carried it forward in spite of that rejection... and it got passed.
What the hell did you expect? A hearty pat on the back?
Your more foolish than you look.
You won't think they are adorable when they start taking issue with that.
You can make as many excuses as you want. The fact remains... you abused the system for your own gain.
At least Lark had the guts to own up to it... that's more than anyone can say for you. No I don't approve what he did... but hes making some valid points... and yes... your proposal was fair and balanced as lark said.
But your proposal was rejected... and you obviously didn't give a ####. That's what has everyone saying:
What's the point of a CSM that won't listen? Why bother with it in the first place? For the first time I've started participating here... I'm starting to question why I bother defending you people in the first place!
one of the things i strive to do every day, dear drake, is to get your approval on the forums for my proposals. your thumbs up or thumbs down is a critical part of the voting process. this is why i respond to your posts, so i can get more of your important feedback. when i said that CSM first terms are largely spent being useless blobs while learning the ropes, that was pretty much it. im not quite sure what i should fess up to, but after the reputation i have been building up in EVE as of recent im not really sure what else other awful thing i can possibly admit to to make people think i am even worse.
If that was true you would have never have pushed this proposal in the first place.
Therefore your just being hypocritical and wasting my time with your propoganda for your "cause".
And why bother? You just proved to us that you don't give a damn to begin with. So don't bother buttering me up... you can do whatever the hell you want.. because that's what you did right here. I could flap my gums endlessly and your still going to push forward proposals that are not supported.
No ones going to stop you.
The catch is... just how far will it get you before you attract the crowd far larger than this one? ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.09 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
If that was true you would have never have pushed this proposal in the first place.
Therefore your just being hypocritical and wasting my time with your propoganda for your "cause".
And why bother? You just proved to us that you don't give a damn to begin with. So don't bother buttering me up... you can do whatever the hell you want.. because that's what you did right here. I could flap my gums endlessly and your still going to push forward proposals that are not supported.
No ones going to stop you.
The catch is... just how far will it get you before you attract the crowd far larger than this one?
i dont know, ive never done anything unpopular before. i guess it will be an all new experience for me, having people disliking me and my posting.
you should also never stop posting man, dont give up. maybe youll change my mind if you make another post.
MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 06:38:00 -
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They still have not answered why this got pushed forward with only three votes...
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Yldrad
The Dandy KillerS
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Posted - 2009.10.09 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: Yldrad on 09/10/2009 07:46:56
Originally by: Marlona Sky They still have not answered why this got pushed forward with only three votes...
Beacause they can !
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer As a CSM Virgin there was very little in the way of feedback from CCP about how we were supposed to conduct ourselves... it was simply a case of 'You're coming to Iceland on these dates... crack on ladies and gents.', at least in my experience, I know there was a bit more conversation between DV and CCP Xhagen.
It wasn't until we got to Iceland that we really started to see how the process operates and what it's all about (and by that I don't mean insider trading )... so it's not really until the second term that people are really able to start making a real contribution (not that myself or any of the first termers didn't add a lot to what was going on), at least in the run up to the Iceland summit.
If i understood correctly, you need one participation as CSM member to know how it really works. It's stupid. Why not just ask old CSM member how it works and/or ask for a better documentation from CCP?
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.09 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Yldrad Edited by: Yldrad on 09/10/2009 07:46:56
Originally by: Marlona Sky They still have not answered why this got pushed forward with only three votes...
Beacause they can !
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer As a CSM Virgin there was very little in the way of feedback from CCP about how we were supposed to conduct ourselves... it was simply a case of 'You're coming to Iceland on these dates... crack on ladies and gents.', at least in my experience, I know there was a bit more conversation between DV and CCP Xhagen.
It wasn't until we got to Iceland that we really started to see how the process operates and what it's all about (and by that I don't mean insider trading )... so it's not really until the second term that people are really able to start making a real contribution (not that myself or any of the first termers didn't add a lot to what was going on), at least in the run up to the Iceland summit.
If i understood correctly, you need one participation as CSM member to know how it really works. It's stupid. Why not just ask old CSM member how it works and/or ask for a better documentation from CCP?
Well yes, I did ask previous members and some extra documentation would be helpful. Let me expand on the virgin comment. You can ask all the pros, read all the books and watch all the blue movies you want before you do the deed but at the end of the day pretty much everyone's first time is going to involve a couple of nervous, half hearted thrusts and a trail of man fat leading from a hip to an inner thigh. Everyone knows how it works first time around... but there's a difference between knowing the mechanics and really understanding. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer stuff
I simply can't support more terms if one is being used as training wheels for the whole term. If it takes one term to figure out how to represent the community and be able to learn the CSM mechanics if you will, then the person should not be there to begin with.
Sounds harsh but it is how I feel about it.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 09/10/2009 10:21:48
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer stuff
I simply can't support more terms if one is being used as training wheels for the whole term. If it takes one term to figure out how to represent the community and be able to learn the CSM mechanics if you will, then the person should not be there to begin with.
Sounds harsh but it is how I feel about it.
you know what you are right. only experienced CSM members who already know wtf they are doing and how they will do it should be allowed to be elected.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 09/10/2009 10:21:48
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer stuff
I simply can't support more terms if one is being used as training wheels for the whole term. If it takes one term to figure out how to represent the community and be able to learn the CSM mechanics if you will, then the person should not be there to begin with.
Sounds harsh but it is how I feel about it.
you know what you are right. only experienced CSM members who already know wtf they are doing and how they will do it should be allowed to be elected.
and mature ones who don't emo rage...
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.09 11:07:00 -
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Current CSM reps are pretty crap. Quote this post if you want to reduce term limits to 1.
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.09 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Current CSM reps are pretty crap. Quote this post if you want to reduce term limits to 1.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.09 11:20:00 -
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You might call yourself "Example A" |
Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.09 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza You might call yourself "Example A"
i might call you a butte~
(i'd be right)
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.09 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza You might call yourself "Example A"
i might call you a butte~
(i'd be right)
no u
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.09 14:17:00 -
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It's amazing they keep dodging the question isn't?
Keep it up.. all your doing is proving my point mazz.
Here have a bigger shovel while your at it. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
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