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Verybadman
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:53:00 -
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As some may recall I once, involuntarily, gave away a fully officer fitted Nyx, to hostiles (I think it is still the most read thread on Scrapheap Challenge ). Now this had nothing to do with a Capital Ship Maintenace Array (CSMA), per se, but with the proposed changes to Super Capitals, I would like to raise the issue of secure storage for these ships.
Super Capitals are likely to become very popular after the Dominion expansion is released, but they still have one major flaw, and that is they cannot dock. Owners of Super Carriers and Titans are forced to leave their most priced assets in space (perhaps using a holding toon), or stored in a CSMA. Storage in a CSMA (or CSAA immediately after the ship has been built) is very risky because access to them is difficult to restrict properly, let alone on individual basis. You can give access to the whole alliance, all corpmembers, corpmembers with the Starbase Fuel Engineer role, and finally corp members with the Starbase Configuration Manager role. Furthermore, all directors in a corp have full access as well.
I have personally purchased Super Capitals of people whose in-game profession is to join an industrial corp, gain the trust required to get access to CSMAs and CSAAs (which is for some corps harder than others) only to steal as many Super Capitals, before they are exposed as thieves. I do appreciate that a lot of time and effort went into this to build up the trust, but similar high-value items, like (capital or T2) BPO's can be shielded off in corp hanger sections to which access can be individually controlled. Moreover, they can be locked and require the attention of the CEO to be unlocked. Yet access to these high value ships is relatively easy.
Therefore I have three questions for CCP: 1. Will there be added security measures to Capital Ship Maintenance Arrays and Capital Ship Assenmbly Arrays? 2. If so, how will those be implemented, e.g. in the form of sub-hangers like Corporate Hanger Arrays or password protection, or otherwise? 3. If not, could you please explain why you think the current level of security is sufficient.
ps. The stolen Nyx has already been replaced a long time ago, in case you were wondering
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Irongut
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:06:00 -
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Not being able to dock is not a flaw of these ships, it's a feature. (can you tell I'm a programmer?) It is something you should have thought about beore even training to fly them.
CSAA / CSMA don't need more security imo and they already have more security than corp hangers. Personally I would either stay in the ship permanently, as many do, or use a parking alt but if you really must use one of these structures to store a supercap then you need to have it as part of a personal POS. Do not allow access to corp or allilance members. Have access by pw only and do not give anyone your pw, not even your wife / husband / gf / bf / dog. Simple.
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Rhohan
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:32:00 -
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Its a risk that should come with having a Super Cap. If you can't handle that, don't maintain one.
They should be Corp/Alliance assets, thus protected and maintained by Corps and Alliances.
They should never be able to dock.
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Verybadman
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:41:00 -
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You are misunderstanding, I am not at all complaining about the feature where Super Capitals cannot dock. It is something I have found a way around it, by means of a parking alt. I do think that with increased numbers of Super Carriers, since they actually will be worth having, security will become an issue.
The argument to password a POS, is not effective because directors can change the password up to 50 km from the tower, regardless of what password was entered.
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Rhohan
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Verybadman You are misunderstanding, I am not at all complaining about the feature where Super Capitals cannot dock...
Your proclaimation to the fact that they cannot dock is a flaw, is a form of complaining. My post was in regard to that issue.
The best security for these should be a pilot in them. Storing them should be similar to "mothballing", and should be less secure.
There should be no increased security from what there is now.
Your actions should secure them, not some special "lock box".
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.09.18 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Irongut
CSAA / CSMA don't need more security imo and they already have more security than corp hangers. Personally I would either stay in the ship permanently, as many do, or use a parking alt but if you really must use one of these structures to store a supercap then you need to have it as part of a personal POS. Do not allow access to corp or allilance members. Have access by pw only and do not give anyone your pw, not even your wife / husband / gf / bf / dog. Simple.
One massive flaw, anyone with director can configure the POS from outside the bubble to allow access or to reset the password, i don't think this is just restricted to directors though but i'm too lazy to figure out the exact role needed, the only way you're going to do this is to have an alt corp POS but then unless you have them in the same alliance you'll find the supercap booted from the bubble each time you login which is bad, TBH if i were ever to invest in a supercap which i may one day do, it would sit on an alt that i don't use for anything else just so that there is no real risk :)
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Evlyna
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Posted - 2009.09.18 13:10:00 -
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The main thing is that the roles/access/whatever feature that it is for corp hangars or structures in space needs a complete overhaul and that was mentioned/hinted for an old expansion but it never happened.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.09.18 16:18:00 -
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I don't think it would be too much to ask to add divisional hangars within (C)SMAs. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Hull Blaster
Gallente Missions Mining and Mayhem Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.18 16:59:00 -
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To be honest, I think the fact that you need to pay for a second account just to have a toon sitting there doing nothing to keep a Nyx for example "secure" is a huge flaw in game design. I'm not a cap pilot yet, but it just seems quite bizarre. You should be able to set a personal password for the ship, so even if it can be destroyed it can't be stolen. This password should only be known by the pilot, not shared amongst the whole corp/alliance. If needs must you could share it with other mom pilots but that's as far as it should go.
I understand Titan's being undockable because they're behemoths, moms are quite smaller and the risk of keeping one in space seems to outweigh their value as an operational ship. I would support any move to make moms... sorry Super Carriers able to dock at stations.
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