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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.06.06 10:38:00 -
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Nah. The argument doesn't bother me.
What bothers me is the hypocrisy of the people saying it (considering that they almost universally raise every flag on the list of ASPD characteristics, in particular the one about not adhering to rules and norms).
Then again, that level of self-reflection is pretty much out of the question for them so it's to be expected, I suppose. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:26:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Don't tell me a person shouldn't feel guild for such a betrayal of trust just because it's a game. They shouldn't because it's just a game, and those are legal moves within that game. The other players knew it and accepted it.
You're arguing that people should feel guilty when feinting right and then passing left in football. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:48:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:Since when do opposing teams in a football match actually trust each other? If they're clever, they don't. Just like with the other players in EVE.
GǪand that's before even going into how that poor tricked footballer will suffer real-life consequences whereas the tricked EVE player will not. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:05:00 -
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Lustralis wrote:If another player wants to be left alone to engage in whatever activity in Sandbox Eve, where ganking his ass is one possible choice of many and by no means compulsory, who are you to say he's "playing it wrong"? He's the right one to say so, because chances are that they are. Specifically, chances are that they are playing it wrong by assuming that GÇ£sandboxGÇ¥ means that they will be allowed to succeed at whatever they attempt and that anything that interrupts their road to greatness is the result of some kind of bug or game-breaking exploit.
It's not the activity that is GÇ£playing it wrongGÇ¥ GÇö it's the assumptions and entitlement behind it, because those are, objectively, wrong. These incorrect assumptions will get the player killed. It's like assuming that, when you're playing minecraft, that bush-textured penismonster is nothing to be concerned with because, hey, it's a sandbox. This assumption is wrong, and playing the game without concerning yourself with means to protect you pretty house from creepers is to play the game wrong (well, unless you're playing EVE and minecraft as suicide or rebuild-for-the-fortyeleventh-time-simulators, but then you get the exact outcome you wanted so no-one will complain anyway).
If they made the right assumptions instead, they'd probably not get killed (or at least be far safer and present a much more tricky target). They can engage in the exact same activity without the same, wrong, assumptions and without the false sense of entitlement and as a direct result be far more successful and prosperous for it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:12:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:so you are saying: some people (i'm looking at you, Eve Online "pvpers") have no internal limiter so they need external consequences to control their behavior?
Sounds to me as perfect example of "sociopath". No. Someone with ASDP would not recognise those external controls or be limited by them.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:35:00 -
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Horus Ernaga wrote:The real question is why are these players specifically targeting those that do with wish to be targeted. Because they're valid targets and because wishing not to be targeted isn't reason enough not to target them GÇö they have to actually avoid making themselves targets if they want to achieve that goal.
Also, since many of them did what you did and followed bad advice, it's a good idea to do so for a number of reasons (and you also illustrate why, in spite of the adamant insistence to the contrary from the victim camp, there are some very real risks to it all). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:57:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Actually Tippia, I think he's talking about the tank in Halada's guide. It's not that bad ... BUT it's only good in the place it was designed to be used, and for the purpose it was designed for (i.e. tanking nullsec rat DPS). I know what he was talking about, and I still consider it bad advice for pretty much that reason: it just presents a tank, and while the guide mentions what it's supposed to protect against, it completely fails to mention the alternatives and why you might want to choose them instead. For the new player, there is no way of spotting that omission.
It's like selling a Mac Pro to a complete computer illiterate person because it's what everyone in video production uses, and not mentioning that, no, it won't come with Solitaire or MS Paint or GÇ£that blue GÇÿeGÇÖ that means GÇÿthe internetsGÇÖGÇ¥, or that a grey box with two fewer zeros at the end of the price tag will probably do what the user wants far betterGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:45:00 -
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GÇ£psychopathy refers not only to specific behavioral patterns but measurable cognitive, emotional, and neuropsychological differences.GÇ¥
GǪso no. Pick another one.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:39:00 -
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Well, that would explain why miners get so upset when you try to teach them EVE mechanicsGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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