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Vxrasa
Caldari Smegnet Incorporated Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.09.23 20:48:00 -
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I hope this gains more support from the playerbase and attention from the CSM. ------------------------------------------------
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.23 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: IHaveNoFace Edited by: IHaveNoFace on 23/09/2009 18:21:02
Originally by: Hubris a devblog was released on the subject
update on the devblog with a bit of commentary - http://www.battledb.com/2009/09/23/ccp-privacygate-dev-blog-update/
Vague.
Remove the bumph and we are told very little about what is going on.
I get the impression CCP is trying to distance itself from this- but how can it when CCP Ginger is reportedly in full knowledge of what was going on according to the information leaked?
The Dev Blog along with its numerous edits as cataloged here:
http://www.battledb.com/2009/09/23/ccp-privacygate-dev-blog-update/
In the interim until events are exposed (and i hope they will be) i encourage anyone intending to browse ANY 3rd part website related to EVE to use a proxy server until it is established to the extent to which CCP has/is compromising players identities.
You do realize that specific link has to do with the ISD right? And ONLY the ISD.
Damn... guess I better start my new market.
************** WTS Tin Foil Hat's for 1 Million ISK! Get im while your hot!
You have my IP?
Good for you... now be a good little nooblet and run along. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Mo'Chuisle
Gallente The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.23 21:04:00 -
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Show me on this doll where CCP touched your IP
I don't think creating uninformed panic using scary words (i.e. my ip!!1!) over something that looks like some overzealous ISD volunteers will help anyone or anything
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Hubris
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.09.23 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mo'Chuisle Show me on this doll where CCP touched your IP
I don't think creating uninformed panic using scary words (i.e. my ip!!1!) over something that looks like some overzealous ISD volunteers will help anyone or anything
uninformed? yes because we want to know the whole story about what was found. Panic, no not really but its a privacy issue and corruption issue.
I believe the one that is uninformed is yourself on what an ip address can be used for when it is in the right hands. I will give you a couple examples that could impact the game eve specifically.
A large fleet fight is going on, one specific FC is leading the group and seconds before a jump bridge opens and an opposing fleet jumps in he is DDOS'ed. Drops from eve, and voice comms. Their fleet dies in a chaos fire. Could also be done to super cap pilots to kill them.
Would be a very valuable tool for security of forums and such to keep out spies.
Its an advantage no matter how you look at it. It should never be done for game and real life reasons.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2009.09.24 00:48:00 -
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I had something typed up, but then I realized saying it could get this thread deleted and my account temporarily banned. Such is the state of my confidence in CCP fairness.
I'll just say this:
It's said the company is basically a LAN party that got out of hand. There's strengths and weaknesses in that. One of the weaknesses - LAN parties are cliques. Cliques pursue personal vendettas. Cliques don't like to punish their friends.
IA was created in part to mollify player concerns that CCP operated more as a clique than a company. Actions like what prompted this thread argue that CCP is still acting very much as a clique.
None of this affects me personally in the least. It's just kind of embarrassing to see.
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Alex Clomsaver
Minmatar Roswell Project Victimz
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Posted - 2009.09.24 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Clomsaver on 24/09/2009 01:31:40
Originally by: Mo'Chuisle Show me on this doll where CCP touched your IP
I don't think creating uninformed panic using scary words (i.e. my ip!!1!) over something that looks like some overzealous ISD volunteers will help anyone or anything
Overwrought or not I'd rather not have CCP employees going around and trying to find out who active on private websites in this manner.
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R0ot
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.09.24 04:41:00 -
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.24 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hubris
Originally by: Mo'Chuisle Show me on this doll where CCP touched your IP
I don't think creating uninformed panic using scary words (i.e. my ip!!1!) over something that looks like some overzealous ISD volunteers will help anyone or anything
uninformed? yes because we want to know the whole story about what was found. Panic, no not really but its a privacy issue and corruption issue.
I believe the one that is uninformed is yourself on what an ip address can be used for when it is in the right hands. I will give you a couple examples that could impact the game eve specifically.
A large fleet fight is going on, one specific FC is leading the group and seconds before a jump bridge opens and an opposing fleet jumps in he is DDOS'ed. Drops from eve, and voice comms. Their fleet dies in a chaos fire. Could also be done to super cap pilots to kill them.
Would be a very valuable tool for security of forums and such to keep out spies.
Its an advantage no matter how you look at it. It should never be done for game and real life reasons.
Or i post a picture on forums and log IPs accessing it. Your IP address isnt exactly private, every internet advertising company has an enormous database with everywhere you go basicly to determine what to advertise. Although i dont think i have to explain PL anything about getting IP addresses.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.24 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Clomsaver
Overwrought or not I'd rather not have CCP employees going around and trying to find out who active on private websites in this manner.
So you would be okay with another T20 like affair because you would rather CCP did not try to prevent it?
Or do you have a list of private websites which should be exempt?
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Kyrjanen Janen
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Posted - 2009.09.24 07:45:00 -
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There is a difference between CCP Employees doing security stuff with the server log and ISD Volunteers doing it. |
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Kastovic Sm'irle
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.24 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hubris
Originally by: Mo'Chuisle Show me on this doll where CCP touched your IP
I don't think creating uninformed panic using scary words (i.e. my ip!!1!) over something that looks like some overzealous ISD volunteers will help anyone or anything
uninformed? yes because we want to know the whole story about what was found. Panic, no not really but its a privacy issue and corruption issue.
I believe the one that is uninformed is yourself on what an ip address can be used for when it is in the right hands. I will give you a couple examples that could impact the game eve specifically.
A large fleet fight is going on, one specific FC is leading the group and seconds before a jump bridge opens and an opposing fleet jumps in he is DDOS'ed. Drops from eve, and voice comms. Their fleet dies in a chaos fire. Could also be done to super cap pilots to kill them.
Would be a very valuable tool for security of forums and such to keep out spies.
Its an advantage no matter how you look at it. It should never be done for game and real life reasons.
I wonder how Cyvok's connection is doing nowadays.
3 years away from the game after ther t20 ****fest and now this, one week after I resub.
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Adam Ridgway
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.24 09:13:00 -
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The sky is falling...
Made up drama EVE players love so much. Request it when you've a real reason, and anyway you're not going to know anything they don't want you to know (frankly, you shouldn't). It's all in the contract you sign-up when you start playing, there is the info on what data is compromised or not, go read it and stop making up drama.
If privacy was so important or you where so scared in the first place you wouldn't give a private company your billing info, but yo do, so?
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D'ceet
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 09:22:00 -
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yarrmarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.09.24 10:19:00 -
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sounds rather unprofessional.
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2009.09.24 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 24/09/2009 11:56:05
Originally by: Furb Killer
Or i post a picture on forums and log IPs accessing it. Your IP address isnt exactly private, every internet advertising company has an enormous database with everywhere you go basicly to determine what to advertise. Although i dont think i have to explain PL anything about getting IP addresses.
The Problem isn't so much the fact IP's have been exposed, but that they can be linked to:
-Peoples billing addresses -In game Character name's -Accounts on 3rd part websites, like Forums.
Something that should in NO way effect EVE players in game, now is.
And the fallout is people are being victimized because of in game events and allegiances because their identity in game has been linked with their identity out of game both in real life and on 3rd part websites.
This leak of what is in reality sensitive information in the context to which it was presented (Specific IP addresses of people accessing a 3rd party forum whom are EVE players, being run aganst IRC records from Coldfront.irc.net; the IRC channel where people are have account issues on SISI dealt with that require telling someone from CCP sensitive information like account names) has reportedly been occurring with full knowledge of ISD and BH and CCP Ginger.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
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Brendana Fortescue
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Posted - 2009.09.24 12:18:00 -
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Somehow i dont get it... why someone would focus only on kugus forums and comparing to devblogs?
I mean wouldnt that mean that the person is against kugu forums and he wants to harm those forum users?
Amd if CCP has known about it, its more reasonable that they ordered it for some unknown reason instead to make their hands dirty?
But then what they would use those ip for?
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 14:16:00 -
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Kinda funny that the people who are in shock and awe and are going emo over it are the ones flaunting about how many forums/TS they have access to. Mind you, I do not at all condone what's stated in the OP (if it happened) but pot kettle etc.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.24 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Riva Kinda funny that the people who are in shock and awe and are going emo over it are the ones flaunting about how many forums/TS they have access to. Mind you, I do not at all condone what's stated in the OP (if it happened) but pot kettle etc.
Not to mention the total and complete lack of common sense.
I maintain several forum boards now that are tied to EVE... but none of them are directly tied to the game.
People who do not think things through when it comes to security refuse to accept responsibility for there stupidity... instead they blame CCP.
That and the fact this whole damn <semi-thread> is based on something isolated over ISD and not the overall population.
Hell for all we know this probably started because someone stupidly clicked on a keylogger link. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.24 15:55:00 -
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Quote: The Problem isn't so much the fact IP's have been exposed, but that they can be linked to:
I am quite sure ISD dont have access to billing addresses (wtf should they do with them?)
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2009.09.24 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
I am quite sure ISD dont have access to billing addresses (wtf should they do with them?)
As far as i know they don't, but you can glean a lot about someones identity from an IP address sometimes.
Admittedly one is making the assumption that the individual that pays for his internet connection is the same person that plays EVE, but in any case that's likely still the address of an EVE player isn't it?
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.24 18:17:00 -
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How do you get from IP address to billing address of ISP? Only works if you got someone working at that isp/access to their database, but if you got that allready anyway then you dont need some IP addresses of people coming from a certain site since that is all allready known.
You cant just go from IP address to billing address (If you could those anti-pirating organisations would have way easier task if not every ISP would block their requests for addresses when they have only IP address).
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2009.09.24 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer How do you get from IP address to billing address of ISP? Only works if you got someone working at that isp/access to their database, but if you got that allready anyway then you dont need some IP addresses of people coming from a certain site since that is all allready known.
You cant just go from IP address to billing address (If you could those anti-pirating organisations would have way easier task if not every ISP would block their requests for addresses when they have only IP address).
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1184309&page=2
read top post.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
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Flaming Lemming
Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.09.25 01:20:00 -
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Looks like this is appropriate again...
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Argonis Valentio
Caelum Custos Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.25 09:35:00 -
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If it means CCP disclosing more, I support it.
As for drake, your either an idiot or have your own agenda linking you to CCP because the more information you have the better your futures decisions will be. Only if such an action produced more work or gave you less of an advantage would place you in opposition of this request. |
Valorous Bob
Locusts.
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Posted - 2009.09.26 20:44:00 -
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Supportin privacy. _______________________________________________
KILL THE TITAN: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1175042 |
Denthan Rescor
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Posted - 2009.09.26 23:06:00 -
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.27 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 27/09/2009 09:52:39 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 27/09/2009 09:52:05
Originally by: Argonis Valentio If it means CCP disclosing more, I support it.
As for drake, your either an idiot or have your own agenda linking you to CCP because the more information you have the better your futures decisions will be. Only if such an action produced more work or gave you less of an advantage would place you in opposition of this request.
Whatever you say lemming... I prefer to live in the land of reality... not tin foil hats and paranoia.
If that makes me an idiot in your eyes... I dare say I'm pretty well off.
So keep on yelling chicken little... I'm quite sure you'll find more bits of sky on the ground.
There well always be an amount of risk in any game/application/website wherever we go. I choose no to spaz out like some teenager... if there was a problem I'm pretty damn sure CCP would not be doing so bloody well in business... after-all YOUR STILL PLAYING AREN'T YOU? ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Argonis Valentio
Senex Legio
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:51:00 -
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The performance of a company is subject to many variables which can be so easily manipulated by management and poor controls. Unless your in a vital position overseeing CCP you wouldn't know whether the business is doing well. This supports that you aren't all there.
Risk only occurs in life when the outcome of events are uncertain, with perfect information there would be no risk. The lack of disclosure means you know less and therefore the amount of risk you accept is greater. Simple logic, thanks for confirming my point.
Lastly, I'd like to point out the recent events with the collapse of some companies. Now if you weren't trolling the forums so much Drake maybe you would know that the public has demanded a push for greater security in business. Namely to do with disclosing more information so that we can make more informed decisions about whether the company in general is likely to go bust. With that said, how often has a push been made by the public for less disclosure?
This means anyone who reads this post will either be:
(a) Ill-informed about the purpose of disclosing information, possibly because of people like yourself for giving no justification for not supporting it and trolling forums
(b) Support this thread because they know that, in the long term, having more disclosure will mean better outcomes in all future events
(c) Don't support this because it leads to you or your friends having to change something with EVE data which can only be changed by CCP employees. Thus you need a connection to CCP to be in this category. Why? Pick up a few articles about employee research and you'll have your answer...
Hence why I support this thread and why CSM should bring this to CCP's attention.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.27 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Argonis Valentio The performance of a company is subject to many variables which can be so easily manipulated by management and poor controls. Unless your in a vital position overseeing CCP you wouldn't know whether the business is doing well. This supports that you aren't all there.
Risk only occurs in life when the outcome of events are uncertain, with perfect information there would be no risk. The lack of disclosure means you know less and therefore the amount of risk you accept is greater. Simple logic, thanks for confirming my point.
Lastly, I'd like to point out the recent events with the collapse of some companies. Now if you weren't trolling the forums so much Drake maybe you would know that the public has demanded a push for greater security in business. Namely to do with disclosing more information so that we can make more informed decisions about whether the company in general is likely to go bust. With that said, how often has a push been made by the public for less disclosure?
This means anyone who reads this post will either be:
(a) Ill-informed about the purpose of disclosing information, possibly because of people like yourself for giving no justification for not supporting it and trolling forums
(b) Support this thread because they know that, in the long term, having more disclosure will mean better outcomes in all future events
(c) Don't support this because it leads to you or your friends having to change something with EVE data which can only be changed by CCP employees. Thus you need a connection to CCP to be in this category. Why? Pick up a few articles about employee research and you'll have your answer...
Hence why I support this thread and why CSM should bring this to CCP's attention.
There's a glaring problem with your so called logic chicken little.
1: CSM is not on CCP's Payroll... CCP can say NO or its None of there concern and your still going to throw a damned fit.
2: Your assuming you have the capacity and the foresight to understand or know the details... and to be capable of judging them as a result... so you know... what the hell are you going to do about it? Emo-rant some more? Complain some more? To what end? What are you going to accomplish aside from more crying and whining over someone's stupid mistake that CCP has made efforts to fix?
Like I said.... if it was that bad... people would leave the game.
Again... YOUR STILL HERE.. so I guess its not that big of a problem.
Now go get your tin foil hat and run along : O P
Because like it or not... CCP runs the show... not us... making silly demands like this is a waste of time.
Wan't to get there attention? Unsub and get others to do the same... then you'll get there attention.
CSM won't bother with this... they may mention something but full disclosure? Please... lets come back to reality. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
ChinaWillGrowLarger
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.27 19:20:00 -
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Drake seems awfully emotionally involved in this.
Supporting for increased transparency. My Mitnal lies over the ocean My Mitnal lies over the sea My Mitnal lies over the ocean Oh bring back my Mitnal to me |
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