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Krinthe
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.09.26 03:54:00 -
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I find it hard to believe that you have been able to earn 1 billion ISK and still be a rookie. So, you must be one of those ISK buyers which, not only is against the EULA, but also shows that this game is not for you.
You should quit and not even bother playing this game. Its quite obvious to me that you want what you want out of the game NOW instead of earning your way to achieving the goals you seek in EVE.
Everything in life takes time to accomplish "well". You want to be the "HERO" of the game NOW, but the game isnt designed that way and because of that fact, you think that you can just sit back and skill up for a year and once you have your skills learned, then you can come into the game and start influencing the storyline or be some sort of big shot and take down whatever is in your way.
You are going to be in for a BIG surprise when you come back in a year, spend your 1 billion isk getting a good ship and fitting it and having your ass handed to you on your very first fight.
What a joke and how very pitiful and small minded you are.....go and play your WoW, EVE doesnt need you here and if I ever see you in game, I'll make it a point to pod your whinny butt. A 10th of all I earn I keep for myself. |
Comodore John
Gallente YSS Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.26 20:34:00 -
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im 1 year into the game and rarely do i have dull moments, ive done 0.0 warfare, some FW, mined, got an orca, seen the cap ships, low sec roamed etc.
i knew after 1 week of eve that this was a harsh game (on day 1 i was killed and podded in low sec). failures and the such have helped tell me what to train and how to fit ships and what each ship can do.
if you know what your doing, have a general idea of what your opponent may be fit like (pvp) you have a shot.
age in eve means almost nothing. each skill has 5 levels to it, no more no less. people who have been playing longer then you only have more skills in more areas. if you train a skill from level 1-3, now that older player only has 2 levels more on you in that particular skill.
if you want to influence eve's storyline, i suggest you join a FW corp or 0.0 alliance because thats where the action is.
/end rant
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.09.26 21:14:00 -
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When some players fail in a game they prefer to blame the game rather than themselves and jump on the most obvious excuses even when there are countless posts proving them wrong. Its why WOW since its last expansion allows no failure at all and would be a better game for the Op. Its win win no matter how terrible you are. Not even remotely fun but its very clever at giving the illusion of success from no personal effort.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.26 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic Its win win no matter how terrible you are. Not even remotely fun but its very clever at giving the illusion of success from no personal effort. It does that my allowing the player no freedom whatsoever and whatever they do has zero impact on the game or others.
Much like the game ProgressQuest - one which easily beats WoW in all respects, as long as you have the diamond-studded version. Otherwise it's at about the same level. -----
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Mocam
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Posted - 2009.09.28 05:55:00 -
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You want to start with the safety of a NPC corporation and expand that corporation's holdings. That doesn't work.
The portion of this game you'll need to move to is the player corporation side in "unclaimed space" known as 0.0 sec or nullsec. You carve out a chunk and live there. You influence the areas around you and the extent of that influence is up to you to imprint on the game.
From an RP perspective:
The older Empires are "static" and stale. They putter around like old bigots calling each other names more than fight. For them it's all about how they can posture and make claims of superiority over each other without actually any "risk" involved in the process. This is what you have discovered in all your efforts to advance your Empires holdings. They just aren't interested in any kind of change so may "recognize" you with trivial baubles and trinkets but won't pursue any opportunities to expand that you may find and bring to their attention. "that's nice, now go do what we tell you in these areas -- not over there."
So, again, from an RP point:
You just woke up to the fact that your Empire is unwilling to expand and simply postures and jostles with the other Empires for "political standing".
The question I would put to you is: What do you want to do about that? Be a "good little citizen" and go tromp through the same bull crap all the time, just so your empire can posture a bit differently? Or do you want to tell them to get stuffed and go build an empire worth fighting for -- on your own or with the support of other like minded individuals?
RP isn't all "nice-nice" and half of it is up to how you chose to position yourself in respect to the story you've been given. Above is a story line based upon game mechanics.
If you want to impact things around you in a more meaningful way -- either go join a corp/alliance in nullsec or try and cut a chunk of the place out for you and yours. Either that or stop whining about how your Empire is unwilling to 'fight the good fight' you think they should fight -- because they won't do that. Such is how things work IRL and how they where here but here... If you don't like it, there *IS* somewhere to go. Our world has space constraints and all spots are claimed...
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.28 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mocam
"static" and stale. They putter around like old bigots calling each other names more than fight. For them it's all about how they can posture and make claims of superiority over each other without actually any "risk" involved in the process. This is what you have discovered in all your efforts to advance your Empires holdings. They just aren't interested in any kind of change so may "recognize" you with trivial baubles and trinkets but won't pursue any opportunities to expand that you may find and bring to their attention. "that's nice, now go do what we tell you in these areas -- not over there."
Sounds a little bit like the situation in 0.0 at the moment though doesn't it?
------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.28 11:50:00 -
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IMHO the OP is full of BS. This is just a thinly veiled attempt at getting the make everything easier whine across.
Quote: and it gives me a whole year to badmouth EvE and tell my friends and family not to play EvE.
What a load of POOP! You are going to invest a whole year and $180 on something that you would activly try and make sure all your family and friends dont play!
"Look at me, I am going to bring the game down by telling all my friends not to play it unless CCP changes it to suit me"
Please! You can affect the eve story by never logging back in, ever.
----------- To any other New people reading this thread -
Yes its hard to get started, but thats what makes it so rewarding. There are many things new players can do, a lot of which have been mentioned in this thread.
No, you arnt going to instantly get as many skill points as some of the older players... because they have been playing longer than you (however they may quit sooner than you too) so one day you will be a veteran.... enjoy the journey! ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.09.28 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Empress Smith How does a Caldari hurt the Gallente Federation? BTW, I can't join the militia until I have a Faction standing of 5 or better. More time. And from what I've seen, the FW play is just a matter of "capture the flag" and doesn't affect the overall storyline at all.
It only takes a few hours of game play if you use the faction standing missions which I went from -0.05 to 0.6 over this weekend.
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Scout Ops
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard Every few months we get a post like this in newbie q&a, and really you guys should just give up on trying to convince him, because he is not changing his mind. The OP has decided that eve is a certain way and no matter how much we try, we cannot change his mind. Some people start eve and first thing they do is look up some awesome ship setup, then go look at how long it will take for them to train into it and then decide that they cannot do anything 'meaningful' before they get in that ship, which we all know to be untrue, but they have convinced themselves of this so no amount of argument will change their mind. Just ignore the thread and it will fall into obscurity like the all the others like this.
Very wise, I endorse this text production.
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Mocam
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Posted - 2009.09.28 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Serge Bastana
Originally by: Mocam
"static" and stale. They putter around like old bigots calling each other names more than fight. For them it's all about how they can posture and make claims of superiority over each other without actually any "risk" involved in the process. This is what you have discovered in all your efforts to advance your Empires holdings. They just aren't interested in any kind of change so may "recognize" you with trivial baubles and trinkets but won't pursue any opportunities to expand that you may find and bring to their attention. "that's nice, now go do what we tell you in these areas -- not over there."
Sounds a little bit like the situation in 0.0 at the moment though doesn't it?
"After dominion..." "with the changes to SOV with dominion..." "waiting for dominion's changes..." etc... It'll be a bit before things pick up again -- maybe a couple weeks or so after it goes live but it'll get back to "controlled chaos" soon enough and, with luck, all the changes may bring in even more people to the region. It's not just this or that change (11% tax, paying for jumpgates, improving the space you control, etc...) -- it's "the package" of changes that'll have to be evaluated for total impact. Picking this or that change out is kind of like claiming this or that component is "good" or "bad" -- it's what they add up to which needs looking at vs just the individual pieces and that's why there's little war until the changes hit.
As such, if the OP moved there now, they'd have a fairly "quiet" 0.0 to move into and get setup in *BEFORE* it hits the fan again. Very good timing for them to go there.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.09.28 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic Edited by: Zartanic on 26/09/2009 21:17:10
When some players fail in a game they prefer to blame the game or other players rather than themselves
fyp
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.09.29 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 29/09/2009 01:18:17
Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo
Originally by: Zartanic Edited by: Zartanic on 26/09/2009 21:17:10
When some players fail in a game they prefer to blame the game or other players rather than themselves
fyp
Yes, forgot that excuse:)
Really it wouldn't do any harm to post up in these forums a list of new player misconceptions they either get from playing, misunderstanding something or reading out of date reviews. I came from WOW and in that game I was hard core, which in this game means I'm barely average. The culture shock for some is massive and I suspect many expect the game to hold their hand, because its all they know. They also put other game mechanics into this game which is plain wrong of course.
I suspect the following covers 99% of the moan posts we get on here:
1. This game has no character levels. Skills allow you to do more but the most important factor in a fight is personable skill and game knowledge. There are many posts on the forums showing new players beating older ones and you can have plenty of fun from day one. The ships are balanced so that bigger is not always best. The biggest mistake you can make is waiting for a skill to be finished rather than going out and having fun with what you have.
2. The tutorials are not optional they are crucial. If you do not want to do them play something else as you will not last more than a day or two. The game is complex but the tutorials are a very good introduction. They also give you a very good amount of ISK and free items.
3. Despite what some old game reviews say mining is NOT the only way to make ISK and many players would never mine if their life depended on it. The same goes for mission running. Look around the forums to see ways to make ISK.
4. If you do not learn from your mistakes but get frustrated and angry when things go wrong, which they will, then its best to avoid this game. The same goes if you do not have a positive attitude.
5. If your bored of doing something in the game don't do it. There's numerous other things to do.
6. Players can and do play solo successfully but its always a good idea to get into a new player corps, there are many around who will teach you the ropes.
7. Scamming and being an 'evil pirate blowing up your ship and laughing' is allowed as its an important part of the freeflow playstyle. If your smart and are aware of that you will never get scammed. If your the sensitive type who is easily upset then you will have problems.
8. The game mechanics always provide a solution to your problem, you just have to work it out for yourself sometimes or ask someone.
9. You are not safe anywhere. 0.4 space and below is very dangerous for new players. So avoid until you know what your doing.
10 If you platinum insure your newbie ships you will get more back than they cost if you lose them. Never fly an uninsured ship until you know what your doing.
11 If you have played another MMORPG forget everything you learned from that. Never apply the same mechanics to EVE they are sure to be totally different.
12 This game does not throw content at you or guide you carefully through the game giving you a pa on the back in the form of 'loot' EVE gives options, lots of them, its up to you to decide which ones you want to take.
13. These forums are packed with advice and knowledge, read them.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.29 01:21:00 -
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My post tackling the same issue.
Just read the thread btw, don't reply to it.
Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.09.29 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 29/09/2009 01:30:19
Originally by: Sader Rykane My post tackling the same issue.
Just read the thread btw, don't reply to it.
I remember that thread and thought you were completely wrong and did a disservice to those who showed you can have fun from day one. You disagreed.
EDIT: You approach is up to you and your friends, but you come under my paragraph 1 of misconceptions.
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Nuvix
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Posted - 2009.09.29 17:18:00 -
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Don't you folks find it strange that this character posted nothing but the most ignorant trash about the game while projecting a huge ego, and left you with plenty of ammunition throw back at them?
Really, think about that. Stop wasting your time on advice and insults. Don't feed the thing.
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Loki Valis
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Posted - 2009.09.29 19:48:00 -
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I couldnt dissagree more.
Im a new player to EVE (about 4 months now) and I think the quickstart (SP bonus) is actually very good, and gives new players a pretty decent jump so you're not feeling so lacking in the SP department. Of course you're not going to be up there with people who have been playing for years.
To me EVE isnt a game that you play, its more like a second life. Do you expect to finish that engineering degree in 2, 3 or 6 months? Hell no.
Im only just getting my skills for a hulk (about 3 more days) its been a long haul yes but whats the fun/challenge if you could do these things so quickly.
I joined a player run corp a few weeks into my EVE career and its made the game way more involving.
I guess this games just not your cup of tea, but that doesnt mean its the games fault, rather I think you went into it with a pre-conception of what it is, and that often leads to dissapointment.
I dont know, if you've made 1 bill then you're wayyy ahead of me, and Im still loving this game and learn something new everyday.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.30 10:29:00 -
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Quote: I couldnt dissagree more.
Im a new player to EVE (about 4 months now) and I think the quickstart (SP bonus) is actually very good, and gives new players a pretty decent jump so you're not feeling so lacking in the SP department. Of course you're not going to be up there with people who have been playing for years. To me EVE isnt a game that you play, its more like a second life. Do you expect to finish that engineering degree in 2, 3 or 6 months? Hell no. Im only just getting my skills for a hulk (about 3 more days) its been a long haul yes but whats the fun/challenge if you could do these things so quickly. I joined a player run corp a few weeks into my EVE career and its made the game way more involving. I guess this games just not your cup of tea, but that doesnt mean its the games fault, rather I think you went into it with a pre-conception of what it is, and that often leads to dissapointment. I dont know, if you've made 1 bill then you're wayyy ahead of me, and Im still loving this game and learn something new everyday.
/This
Glad you are enjoying Eve! This is the sort of new players we need. ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Nouva MacGyver
Caldari MacGyver Communications
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Loki Valis I guess this games just not your cup of tea, but that doesnt mean its the games fault, rather I think you went into it with a pre-conception of what it is, and that often leads to dissapointment.
Very astute of you Loki. That very nicely sums up why some of the new pod pilots (as it has always been) are left feeling frustrated .
That aside, as word of mouth about Eve and CCP's marketing of it improves/expands, we will probably be seeing more of players with the aforementioned mindset. Not really anything right or wrong with it, but well... for those of us that still like Eve for what it is, or adapting, etc.. be prepared for the influx
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Hanso Sparxx
Order of Shadows
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Posted - 2009.09.30 18:09:00 -
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I wonder how the OP's going to react when he finally gets a years worth of SP under his belt and loses everything to a 2 week old noob. ------------------ Go Deep! |
Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.10.01 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hanso Sparxx I wonder how the OP's going to react when he finally gets a years worth of SP under his belt and loses everything to a 2 week old noob.
They will assume its a '2-3yo player' and hibernate for another year.
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Jeeper Creeper
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Posted - 2009.10.01 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Empress Smith I would at least like to hurt the Gallente (or have an enjoyable illusion that I am).
This is wrong on so many levels... I don't know where to begin...
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