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DarthAwesome
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Posted - 2009.09.25 12:52:00 -
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I h8 people who outbid me by .01 ISK. They suck. Everytime I try to buy something in Jita they outbid me, but not by enough that anyone would care. The sellers don't actually care about the .01 ISK, it's just because the stupid game lets them buy from them. Teach them a lesson and ban them all. Or at least fine them a million ISK, that will teach them (1 million ISK /.01 ISK = they'll have to make 10 million bids to make their money back! Oh, but don't fine or ban me, I only do it in retaliation!!
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Lumy
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.09.25 13:14:00 -
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I heartily agree. 0.02 ISKers are fine, though.
Also I should probably stop feeding the trolls
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.09.25 13:18:00 -
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I h8 people who use a PC like a typewriter. They should be banned from ever using a PC again.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Daenosa
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Posted - 2009.09.25 14:17:00 -
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troll or not, its a good point, there should be a minimum amount you can undercut by
Like real life auctions and auction sites like ebay. You cant just go around raising your bid buy 1 penny, besides in the real world it makes you look like a bit of a wet fish
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General Paul
Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.25 14:24:00 -
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just undercut the .01 isk guy by a large amount ? I know ive crashed the market for a certain ship several times and it was great (you get to buy up all the 0.1 isk sellers products then de crash the economy)
Adding controls or limitations to what is a beautiful working economy seems to be ******ed to me, just change the way you play, not the game.
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NuclearSi
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Posted - 2009.09.25 14:24:00 -
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.25 14:26:00 -
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Curiously, traders feel that people who undercut by more than 0.01 ISK should be thrown down an elevator shaft (in game). -----
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GuntiNDDS
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Posted - 2009.09.25 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: DarthAwesome I h8 people who outbid me by .01 ISK. They suck. Everytime I try to buy something in Jita they outbid me, but not by enough that anyone would care. The sellers don't actually care about the .01 ISK, it's just because the stupid game lets them buy from them. Teach them a lesson and ban them all. Or at least fine them a million ISK, that will teach them (1 million ISK /.01 ISK = they'll have to make 10 million bids to make their money back! Oh, but don't fine or ban me, I only do it in retaliation!!
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Joe Starbreaker
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2009.09.25 14:48:00 -
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I reserve my hatred for those who undercut by more than 0.01 ISK. You're going to have to go back and adjust your sell orders every time you log in anyway... but there's no reason price wars need to lead to significantly lower prices, except for those idiots who knock off a million at a time.
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Daenosa
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Posted - 2009.09.25 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker I reserve my hatred for those who undercut by more than 0.01 ISK. You're going to have to go back and adjust your sell orders every time you log in anyway... but there's no reason price wars need to lead to significantly lower prices, except for those idiots who knock off a million at a time.
Im not a trader and it probably shows in what im about to say but surely 1 big drop makes more sense that lots of tiny drops, both are gonna end up at the same price, just 1 way is alot easier
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Don Pellegrino
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Posted - 2009.09.25 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 25/09/2009 15:54:17
Originally by: Daenosa
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker I reserve my hatred for those who undercut by more than 0.01 ISK. You're going to have to go back and adjust your sell orders every time you log in anyway... but there's no reason price wars need to lead to significantly lower prices, except for those idiots who knock off a million at a time.
Im not a trader and it probably shows in what im about to say but surely 1 big drop makes more sense that lots of tiny drops, both are gonna end up at the same price, just 1 way is alot easier
No.
0.01 leads to static prices and thats what traders like. undercutting by more than 0.01 isk wont get your item sold faster, you will only lose money because the 0.01 guys will still undercut you anyway.
(okok, not always true, but it most of the time)
edit: yes, this is probably a troll, but I'm replying to someone in the thread, hopefully not to the troll himself
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2009.09.25 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sig Sour on 25/09/2009 16:31:48 Changing my name to DarthAwesome.01
Originally by: Daenosa troll or not, its a good point, there should be a minimum amount you can undercut by
Like real life auctions and auction sites like ebay. You cant just go around raising your bid buy 1 penny, besides in the real world it makes you look like a bit of a wet fish
there is an amount.01
video games are not real life.01
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.09.25 20:27:00 -
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I'm not a trader, and I'm not going to babysit my sell orders. That said, I'm not a trader, and so I only put up a small volume on the market. When I do this, I price it much lower than .01 isk, thinking that the .01 iskers will realize "I'll lose a lot of money if I lower my price. I might as well by up this small stock and resell it." I sell my stuff quickly, the .01 iskers make a profit off of buying/reselling my stuff, everybody but the consumer is happy, right?
However, as I found out after single-handedly crashing two medium rig markets (with sell orders of 3, mind you) I found out most people will undercut that huge price difference, rather than just buy/resell. Meh.
Still, that's not an argument for me playing the .01 isk game. Even if I undercut by .01 isk, my stuff won't sell. The sellers with 1000+ sell orders will undercut me every time, as they're willing to devote much more time to trading. At least my way, there's a chance a trader will realize they shouldn't be contributing to a market crash. And if not, then I'll get to buy stuff more cheaply on the market, rather than having to continue making my own rigs. _________
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Grumples McGee
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Posted - 2009.09.25 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Pater Peccavi However, as I found out after single-handedly crashing two medium rig markets (with sell orders of 3, mind you) I found out most people will undercut that huge price difference, rather than just buy/resell. Meh.
Yes. And that's hilarious.
I have intentionally driven up prices doing this with buy orders. Dude has a buy order for, say, 1355. I put up a buy order for 1355.01. He goes all "Hulk Smash!" on me and ups his order to 1500. I go 1500.01. Hulk Smash! 2000! I create a new buy order for a tiny fraction of what I actually wanted to buy for 2000.01. Hulk Smash! 2500! With his entire buy order. Rather than just sell me 150 zydrine to clear out my order, he'll boost his ENTIRE order to Captain Insano prices.
Really though, what the 0.01 iskers are telling you is that there is not enough damand at that price point. You SHOULD outbid them by a fair sum, if their order is large. If an order for 50,000,000 trit at 1.01 is on the market, why bother going to 1.02? Just go to 1.5.
Eventually you'll reach a price point that's good enough to attract sufficient sellers to fill out both of your orders. Going by 1 cent at a time is just going to continue the same low supply or low demand. Beat them by 20% and you might actually get the market moving.
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Schayol Sunkeeper
Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.25 21:59:00 -
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Quote: However, as I found out after single-handedly crashing two medium rig markets (with sell orders of 3, mind you) I found out most people will undercut that huge price difference, rather than just buy/resell. Meh.
sometimes i think there are bots amongst them
i usually undercut by small -> medium -> large -> stupid, because i cba to adjust orders more than 4 times. still they undercut me by 0,01 even if i just halved my price. again i always laugh if i crash the market that way
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2009.09.25 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Daenosa troll or not, its a good point, there should be a minimum amount you can undercut by
Like real life auctions and auction sites like ebay. You cant just go around raising your bid buy 1 penny, besides in the real world it makes you look like a bit of a wet fish
These aren't bids, they are sell orders. In real life companies will try to undercut eachother, but the consumers aren't as away of the competition as in an eve market place.
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Kara Sharalien
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Posted - 2009.09.26 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kara Sharalien on 26/09/2009 00:04:51 is it still the case that no matter which persons order you click, the person with the cheapest order in the station gets the buy?
im pretty sure thats the case, it certainly used to be, and its the root of this problem.
if i undercut everyone by .01isk, i get every sale of that item in the station till someone undercuts me, and i get it at the price of the persons order they click on.
(so if im selling a rokh for 1 isk, and someone buys from an order selling it for 120mil isk, i get 120mil isk added to my wallet and my rokh is sold).
if we made it so that the buy order you click on is the one you buy from, then .01 undercutting becomes pointless, because i dont bother looking for which one has the lowest .01 value, i just select one of the bidding parties at random. the Luminare titan: lets pop that *****! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1175042&page=1 |
Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Sharalien
if we made it so that the buy order you click on is the one you buy from, then .01 undercutting becomes pointless, because i dont bother looking for which one has the lowest .01 value, i just select one of the bidding parties at random.
Ehm... except that everyone would list sell orders by price in ascending order, and buy from the one at the top? -----
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WarDecEvading NPCCorpAlt
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Posted - 2009.09.27 12:17:00 -
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Solutions to 0.01 ISK snipes: - Price your goods more competitively so people don't undercut. - Wait longer for market fluctuations to clean your order out. - If you're feeling really lazy, just flip to buy orders.
This is really a non-issue. It's not the game's fault that you refuse to properly compete on price.
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MasterCeremony
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Posted - 2009.09.27 23:14:00 -
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I dont have the time to review what everyone has said here only this - dude, thats the whole point. Playing the market is hard, but it can be very lucrative.
Also - just dont f'ing go to jita. Go to another smaller market hub where there is a lot less competition.
good luck with that. and ccp dont change this because a little nooblet is complaining.
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Delenne Sheridan
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Posted - 2009.09.28 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: DarthAwesome I h8 people who outbid me by .01 ISK. They suck. Everytime I try to buy something in Jita they outbid me, but not by enough that anyone would care. The sellers don't actually care about the .01 ISK, it's just because the stupid game lets them buy from them. Teach them a lesson and ban them all. Or at least fine them a million ISK, that will teach them (1 million ISK /.01 ISK = they'll have to make 10 million bids to make their money back! Oh, but don't fine or ban me, I only do it in retaliation!!
I guess whats good on the Price is Right is good for you too...
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Rhohan
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2009.09.28 19:43:00 -
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0.01 isk undercutters is one of the pvp aspects of the market.
Any min amount change you request will not solve the general idea of undercutting.
Either pay more attention to your sell orders, sell somewhere else, or undercut by an even greater amount.
This game isn't meant to hold your hand.
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