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Sophie Malaster
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Posted - 2009.09.27 01:14:00 -
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Edited by: Sophie Malaster on 27/09/2009 01:14:39 Hello, i want to know your opinions.
A)The strategic cruiser are really the incredible ships that should be?
B)Please for all the people that test it and use it usally and have a large experience in pvp, you recommend the use of this ship because it's WINNERS?
C)In my opinion the most of the t2 ships are better than this strategic cruiser with difference, do you think the same?
D)And if it yes, do you think strategic cruiser should be more powerfull acording with the price?
Thx you for all ________________________________________________
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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar Azer Irregulars Beer and Smoke Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.27 01:23:00 -
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400 mil to half a billion isk is WAY more than what its worth. If I do ever get one for some reason, i will probably just spin it in station. If i take it out to PvP, i will be the main target every time. Everyone wants a piece of a T3 killmail.
The price will eventually drop on its own, give it some time.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.09.27 01:27:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 27/09/2009 01:28:18 Packing a recon, command ship, and prober into a hull that can also be immune to warp bubbles is not enough.
Boost T3! Also, nerf Minmatar (especially the Tempest!).
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Jared D'Uroth
Minmatar Universal Peace Operation
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Posted - 2009.09.27 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 27/09/2009 01:28:18 Packing a recon, command ship, and prober into a hull that can also be immune to warp bubbles is not enough.
Except it does all of those half-assedly.
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Quote: I think the point [of t3] was that your foes would never know how you were fit, adding the element of surprise. Like, surprise!!! I decided to go with EHP and DPS.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.27 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jared D'Uroth
Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 27/09/2009 01:28:18 Packing a recon, command ship, and prober into a hull that can also be immune to warp bubbles is not enough.
Except it does all of those half-assedly.
It does the recon and immune to warp bubbles well enough. Its the command ship part it fails miserably at. Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
Mattk50
Caldari House Maadiah
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Posted - 2009.09.27 01:59:00 -
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considering you can get a 3k dps tank on a tengu quite eaisly while putting out more than decent dps, with a covert cloak, i would say... nerf them!
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.09.27 02:02:00 -
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CCP shouldn't be expected to boost things just because players are charging too much for them.
Everyone should boycot the things until prices come down.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.27 02:04:00 -
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The moar relevent question should be is why are there only a sparse few viable fits out of the many section combinations?
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Goodbye Horses
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Posted - 2009.09.27 02:17:00 -
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A few (IMO) points -Player Driven Market. -|T3| Your not doing it right.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.09.27 04:09:00 -
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there are a few things they do pretty awesomely, the things I want them for they don't do well enough. so meh You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.27 04:56:00 -
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My proteus, fully rigged has
the tank of an absolution the dps of my astarte and the probing power of my buzzard.
and a 50m¦ drone bay. yeah its nice to have all those ships packed into 1. --------------------------
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.27 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk My proteus, fully rigged has
the tank of an absolution the dps of my astarte and the probing power of my buzzard.
and a 50m¦ drone bay. yeah its nice to have all those ships packed into 1.[/quote my legion has the tank of an absolution, the dps of your average wet noodle, and the scanning power of a noobship. (with less drone bay than your average noobship) Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
Betray
Caldari panda academy Panda Supremacy
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Posted - 2009.09.27 05:39:00 -
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A)The strategic cruiser are really the incredible ships that should be? Yes, especially when you can change it into a mission/pvp/scouting ship with a few clicks and all equipments fit in cargo.
B)Please for all the people that test it and use it usally and have a large experience in pvp, you recommend the use of this ship because it's WINNERS? it is superior than most ships (see C), and id recommend them for pvp with following reasons: 1. they are great pvp ships and can be filled into MANY different roles (tank, dps, scout, logistic, what not?) 2. if anything, their great tanking ability and the fact that people love to shoot them makes it a great bait. 3. a stealthy bubble immune t3 is the best 0.0 scout bar none. and as i mentioned, they can change into pvp fit after scouting really fast as long as there is a station u can dock in.
C)In my opinion the most of the t2 ships are better than this strategic cruiser with difference, do you think the same? Stat wise a t3 are even better than a CS. and when comparing role to role, a properly fitted t3 with decent skill pilot should be equal and somewhat better than their t2 comparison.
D)And if it yes, do you think strategic cruiser should be more powerfull acording with the price? Well, i do think 500m for a ship is fairly decent. The subs are now cheap enough that it cost no more than 100m to change into a completely different role. The prices in EVE are based on how much people THINK they're worth. as long as there are people willing to pay that much isk for it, i dont see how it is overpriced... (for example CNR, a lot of people complain it is Over priced nowdays, but people are still buying them at that price.)
ofc, personal ideas only. :) -Betray- |
m3rb3aSt
Minmatar Advanced Component Research Enterprise GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.27 06:44:00 -
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the people in this thread should post if they are using it to pvp with or pve with. because that changes everything |
Spike 68
ADVANCED SHIP SALVAGE AND SCRAP
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Posted - 2009.09.27 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: Spike 68 on 27/09/2009 07:13:14
They are expensive command ships with less damage, or they are recon ships that have half/gimped bonuses that tank like hacs. Almost all would die to a 50 million isk competent myrmidon.. all with the agility of a battleship and don't drop salvage...
What's not to love
I don't think they need more, that would make them iwin. They don't really need to be anything.
Also unless they changed it the immunity to bubbles only works when coming out of warp. You still cant warp when you are already in a bubble. Like when you jump in. I might be wrong on that.
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Kai Lae
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.09.27 08:07:00 -
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Is T3 good? Depends - which configuration you talking about? Invariably, with each T3 ship, there is usually at least 1 configuration that is excellent - matching the firepower of a T2 ship with a much better tank or some other characteristic. However, it seems that many of the configurations that are available are arguably worse than the T2 hull who's role it fills. For instance, the ishtar is a better drone boat than a drone proteus for example. In many cases the bonus that a subsystem gives is less than you can get on an applicable T2 ship. In addition, certain subsystems are so much better than others (the powercore multiplier for example) that the others in it's category might as well not exist.
In short, they are very new ships and require balancing.
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Miilla
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Posted - 2009.09.27 08:36:00 -
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I will buy them when they fall to 100m per hull. Until then, nope.
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2009.09.27 09:20:00 -
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Moved to " Ships and Modules " .
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.09.27 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu 400 mil to half a billion isk is WAY more than what its worth. If I do ever get one for some reason, i will probably just spin it in station. If i take it out to PvP, i will be the main target every time. Everyone wants a piece of a T3 killmail.
Sure they do Wu Wu, but lord HAVE YOU SEEN the 250k EHP Proteus?!
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Baron Agamemnon
Caldari Holy Grail Construction
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Posted - 2009.09.27 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Malaster Edited by: Sophie Malaster on 27/09/2009 01:14:39 Hello, i want to know your opinions.
A)The strategic cruiser are really the incredible ships that should be?
B)Please for all the people that test it and use it usally and have a large experience in pvp, you recommend the use of this ship because it's WINNERS?
C)In my opinion the most of the t2 ships are better than this strategic cruiser with difference, do you think the same?
D)And if it yes, do you think strategic cruiser should be more powerfull acording with the price?
Thx you for all
Depending on what you are gonna use it for, T3 can be worth it.
T2 is usually better in their role of sniping, EWAR and logistics. But the T3 can pull other things off.
If they really are worth the insane prices currently? I kinda doubt it.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.09.27 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jared D'Uroth
Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 27/09/2009 01:28:18 Packing a recon, command ship, and prober into a hull that can also be immune to warp bubbles is not enough.
Except it does all of those half-assedly.
Which other ship is immune to bubbles full-assedly?
When they are fit for all-out combat, they can bring BS tanking (and sometimes better) and BC DPS on a cruiser hull, their price is justified. In a game where you can pay 120-180mil for popular %5 hardwires, it should be pretty clear to you have to pay out the nose for performance upgrades. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Sophie Malaster
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Posted - 2009.09.27 10:33:00 -
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I see that it's really complicated, i read too many different opinions... I'm not complitely sure but in general you say that it's a good ship but a bit overpriced.
You ask about my use, for pve i think it's a good ship, but all the ships are really good for pve, my intention is use it for pvp. I know that it's a expensive ship, and i want to know if it's enough to make a significative diffence. ________________________________________________
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Phootaba
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:30:00 -
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The strategic cruiser is AWESOME, apart from the fact that it's not strategic. At the moment the ship is a Highsec station spin ship, or a good lowsec roam ship. In heavily controlled nullsec areas it probably is a great defender ship since it can do alot of thing and are a good "Everybody aim at that bunny" ship.
My personal reason not to fly them is that they're not flexible enough for the pricetag (I include the skill loss in the pricetag).
Becouse. It's supposed to be a strategic ship, changing the role of the ship in a moment blink. Undocking with the tank of a commandship, or will it be a nanoboat from hell? Yeah that's cool. But they can't refit subsystems outside a station or outpost, here is the problem.
With the changes of dominion small gangs will have a larger part of the gameplay than they already had, this will in my opinion make a T3 strat cruiser shine. But being in deep hostile territory perhaps fielding a carrier as ammunition and modular support, one cannot change the subsystems in the refitting service. This is what makes them a "normal" ship still. Untill this changes if it ever will, I can only consider these ships to me "utility" ships.
If a fleet can afford to field a carrier with strat cruiser support, give them the abillity to actually refit subsystems so they can be that strategic force that can adapt and survive deep in hostile space all by them selves.
Apart from that they're cool. But they're just not strategic.
// Phoo
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Ran Khanon
Amarr The Phantom Acolytes
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Posted - 2009.09.27 12:27:00 -
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Battle cruisers / HACS / Strategic Cruisers = too much overlapping. We need T3 BC's so T3 Cruiser prices can drop.
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Adam Ridgway
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.27 12:31:00 -
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T3 ships are not that bad, but they fail at the original concept. Almost all the niches they can cover, are better covered by other T1/T2 counterparts. The lack of originality in almost all subsystems is outstading, they fail at flexibility (what they were supposed to be) due to not being able to refit inspace, etc.
Like many implementations of 'good ideas on paper' by CCP, it's lacking. Hopefully the future will bring better, or exactlly, different T3. As it is now T3 has been allready reduced to a very small set of combination, so has failed at what they were supposed to prevent (standarization and lack of variability).
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.09.27 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 27/09/2009 15:22:32
Originally by: Artemis Rose When they are fit for all-out combat, they can bring BS tanking (and sometimes better) and BC DPS on a cruiser hull, their price is justified.
But we can buy 7 or 8 battleships for the price of one of these. Where i'm at it's around 450 mil for the hull, and another 120-150 mil for each of the only subsystems people want.
Since you have to go into station to switch components, why not just have 3 different battleships waiting there that do the different things and save yourself about 500 mil?
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Khorian
Gallente Excidium.
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Posted - 2009.09.27 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Khorian on 27/09/2009 16:13:42 There is only one way to not make your T3 cruiser primary in a gang: Have all others fly T3 cruisers too! Muahahaha
EDIT: Also, they are strategic cruisers, not tactical cruisers. That means you chose your strategy in Station when you fit them. If you could switch your setup in space on the fly I guess you would call them tactical cruisers.
PPS: They are pretty awesome at PvP. Better tank than BS/Command ships while still doing DPS with a tiny sig radius and a covert ops cloak.
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Mortuus
Minmatar GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.27 16:30:00 -
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They really are amazing ships, I use mine for PvP.
Sure they die, oh well, all ships die. What they do though is pack a good tank, good dps, and something special into a cruiser sized package.
They will beat the snot out of a HAC, they can fight a BC depending on fittings (obviously don't fight where you are weak and they are strong).
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Kokura Nin
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Posted - 2009.09.27 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kokura Nin on 27/09/2009 16:58:06 What should have been done imho, was a design your own T2 ship system. Base hull with fixed bonus, and 2 sections for 2 bonusses.
Simple, widely more accessable to the playerbase thus more use. The WH stuff could have played into this by providing materials for sections with a larger than normal bonus ( say 10-15% more).
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.09.27 17:04:00 -
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I like them, but they are still little bit expensive /for me/.
But... - some subs need + 25mb drones - it would be nice if you could remove rigs from t3 hull without destroying them /make that role bonus or whatever.../
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