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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2009.09.28 04:53:00 -
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Hi,
I'm not completely sure but I think the Crow is commonly considered as good Caldari Interceptor whereas the Raptor is kinda meh. Why is this? When true....
The Crow does some damage ok. But the Raptor can tackle from 30km with it's 5% bonus to Warp Scrambler and Warp Disruptor range per level.
Thanks!
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Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.09.28 04:55:00 -
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MSE rocket crow is quite a nasty inty, but yeah for long range tackling, raptor all the way.
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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SuiJuris
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.09.28 05:02:00 -
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Except the raptor can't lock out to 30km --- I am taking pre orders for Navy Armageddons |
Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2009.09.28 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Denuo Secus on 28/09/2009 05:09:07
Originally by: SuiJuris Except the raptor can't lock out to 30km
My EFT-Raptor can lock at 31.25km with all skills and 30km with my skills (without sensor booster).
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Badmin
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Posted - 2009.09.28 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Denuo Secus Edited by: Denuo Secus on 28/09/2009 05:09:07
Originally by: SuiJuris Except the raptor can't lock out to 30km
My EFT-Raptor can lock at 31.25km with all skills and 30km with my skills (without sensor booster).
EFT warrior ftw...
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.28 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Denuo Secus
The Crow does some damage ok. But the Raptor can tackle Thanks!
Solo interceptors dont need tackle, they need dps. Youve pretty much summed up their entire differences right there.
Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.09.28 05:54:00 -
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Actually what I don't get is the widespread bashing of the Raptor. Of course it's going to suck if you use it like a Crow, but if used as it's supposed to be as a fast tackler it's worked just fine for me.
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Intigo
Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.09.28 06:01:00 -
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The Raptor is good(ish). The Crow is trash.
People don't realize this because they're incompetent. ___________________
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.09.28 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Actually what I don't get is the widespread bashing of the Raptor. Of course it's going to suck if you use it like a Crow, but if used as it's supposed to be as a fast tackler it's worked just fine for me.
IIRC the raptor isn't that fast tho :(
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.28 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Katarlia Simov
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Actually what I don't get is the widespread bashing of the Raptor. Of course it's going to suck if you use it like a Crow, but if used as it's supposed to be as a fast tackler it's worked just fine for me.
IIRC the raptor isn't that fast tho :(
This is the reason. The Raptor is trash because it's slow. The Crow, thanks to its better speed, is actually the better tackler, if you must fly Caldari. Meanwhile, those people who really want a dedicated tackler interceptor train another race (the Ares, for example, is a good option). -----------
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bloodlust priest
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Posted - 2009.09.28 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: bloodlust priest on 28/09/2009 07:03:31 basicly, the crow is easy thats the only reason, roket crows dont work anymore trust me i used to fly them all the time. its the worst ceptor for dogfighting other ceptors by a long long margin, its not particularly great at takling either, also its expenive
so if you want to takle stuff, use a raptor, if you want to dogfight stuff load some null in a blaster raptor and hope! god i miss my blaptor all those ****y ranis pilots dead :)
yeh its not the best but its pure hilarity, kills crows fast too
[Raptor, New Setup 1] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1MN MicroWarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S [empty high slot]
Hybrid Ambit Extension I Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
oh and lol ares. . minmitar have the best takling ceptor
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Viva Beck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.28 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: bloodlust priest Edited by: bloodlust priest on 28/09/2009 07:03:31 basicly, the crow is easy thats the only reason, roket crows dont work anymore trust me i used to fly them all the time. its the worst ceptor for dogfighting other ceptors by a long long margin, its not particularly great at takling either, also its expenive
so if you want to takle stuff, use a raptor, if you want to dogfight stuff load some null in a blaster raptor and hope! god i miss my blaptor all those ****y ranis pilots dead :)
yeh its not the best but its pure hilarity, kills crows fast too
[Raptor, New Setup 1] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1MN MicroWarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S [empty high slot]
Hybrid Ambit Extension I Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
oh and lol ares. . minmitar have the best takling ceptor
Will that setup work for lvl1 missions rat killing?
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Rhak Amharr
Minmatar Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.28 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Intigo The Raptor is good(ish). The Crow is trash.
People don't realize this because they're incompetent.
I would agree with you if you would have shown sympathy for my Brutix in that vid. :(
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Warrio
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.28 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Intigo The Raptor is good(ish). The Crow is trash.
People don't realize this because they're incompetent.
This. If the damage from your interceptor is important then you and your gang are horribly **** people. - |
Thenoran
Caldari Pelican.
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:52:00 -
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Raptor is slow and can't even fit 125mm railguns so damage isn't an option either. For solo, get a Crow as the better speed and Standard Missile Launchers actually work pretty decently at range. For pure dedicated tackle, look elsewhere like an Ares. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
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bloodlust priest
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Thenoran Raptor is slow and can't even fit 125mm railguns so damage isn't an option either. For solo, get a Crow as the better speed and Standard Missile Launchers actually work pretty decently at range. For pure dedicated tackle, look elsewhere like an Ares.
you do realise youl struggle to do 30 dps in a not particularly fast ceptor with no ehp, and your saying thats better than a marginally slower 160 dps raptor for solo, crows are awefull i kill them easily in slashers and breachers ffs
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Randon Alt67
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:24:00 -
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For whatever reason CCP kept nerfing the raptor's grid to the point of uselessness. If you fit it for pure tackle with speeds in the lows, an MWD/AB, booster, and point in the mids and whatever in the highs it is useful and cheap. It has fairly good agi and warps fairly quickly. Beyond that it is a shuttle.
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:32:00 -
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They're both terrible. The Crow is slightly less terrible but it's like choosing between being set on fire or drowned. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
Thenoran
Caldari Pelican.
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: bloodlust priest
Originally by: Thenoran Raptor is slow and can't even fit 125mm railguns so damage isn't an option either. For solo, get a Crow as the better speed and Standard Missile Launchers actually work pretty decently at range. For pure dedicated tackle, look elsewhere like an Ares.
you do realise youl struggle to do 30 dps in a not particularly fast ceptor with no ehp, and your saying thats better than a marginally slower 160 dps raptor for solo, crows are awefull i kill them easily in slashers and breachers ffs
Use the Taranis for a close range Blaster Inty, the Raptor is made of plain old fail. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
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Randon Alt67
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Thenoran
Originally by: bloodlust priest
Originally by: Thenoran Raptor is slow and can't even fit 125mm railguns so damage isn't an option either. For solo, get a Crow as the better speed and Standard Missile Launchers actually work pretty decently at range. For pure dedicated tackle, look elsewhere like an Ares.
you do realise youl struggle to do 30 dps in a not particularly fast ceptor with no ehp, and your saying thats better than a marginally slower 160 dps raptor for solo, crows are awefull i kill them easily in slashers and breachers ffs
Use the Taranis for a close range Blaster Inty, the Raptor is made of plain old fail.
I do so enjoy taking out a Taranis in a Rifter :)
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Dr Therikal
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Randon Alt67
Originally by: Thenoran
Originally by: bloodlust priest
Originally by: Thenoran Raptor is slow and can't even fit 125mm railguns so damage isn't an option either. For solo, get a Crow as the better speed and Standard Missile Launchers actually work pretty decently at range. For pure dedicated tackle, look elsewhere like an Ares.
you do realise youl struggle to do 30 dps in a not particularly fast ceptor with no ehp, and your saying thats better than a marginally slower 160 dps raptor for solo, crows are awefull i kill them easily in slashers and breachers ffs
Use the Taranis for a close range Blaster Inty, the Raptor is made of plain old fail.
I do so enjoy taking out a Taranis in a Rifter :)
Almost as much as you enjoy taking out incompetent pilots? --------------------------------- But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility. -Erwin Rommel |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:17:00 -
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What are you trying to do in your interceptor?
Tackle for a gang? Then the 'tackle' line of ceptors is superior to the 'combat' line of ceptors. Fly a raptor, but only if that's the only tackle ceptor you can fly. The raptor is pretty much garbage in terms of a combat interceptor, thanks to CCP randomly removing quite a bit of PG when they gave it another turret slot.
I guess you could fly the crow as a combat inty, but both the crusader and taranis are far superior. This is largely due to the abysmal state of frigate missiles. Rockets are horrible.
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Prometheus Exenthal
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Katarlia Simov
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Actually what I don't get is the widespread bashing of the Raptor. Of course it's going to suck if you use it like a Crow, but if used as it's supposed to be as a fast tackler it's worked just fine for me.
IIRC the raptor isn't that fast tho :(
This is the reason. The Raptor is trash because it's slow. The Crow, thanks to its better speed, is actually the better tackler, if you must fly Caldari. Meanwhile, those people who really want a dedicated tackler interceptor train another race (the Ares, for example, is a good option).
look at how dumb you are.. The Crow is HORRIBLE and should never be used unless A. Rockets get fixed, and/or B. You are new to interceptors. From a combat and fleet standpoint, the Raptor is by far the better choice. Unlike the Crow, it can do some dps in addition to having a longer tackle range. Speed is hardly an issue nowadays since rigs are dirt cheap. You can't rig to make a ship tackle further.
In addition to that, MSE+Rockets = fail since rockets NEED a scram & web vs small targets. TL;DR, Raptor is now better than Crow, but so is every other interceptor. - MY LATEST VIDEO - FRIGANK 6 |
Atom Splitter
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Denuo Secus 5% bonus to Warp Scrambler and Warp Disruptor range per level.
I'm asking this as a question, not making a statement (/straps on flame-resistant suit), but... is there no value associated with being able to warp disrupt someone (perhaps I'm mixing up scram and disrupt, but I want to turn off their MWD as well as prevent warping) at a range that they cannot do the same to you? Ie, I can shut down your MWD, AND web you, AND not be disrupted. So even if you web my raptor, at least I've got my mwd operating.
Keeping in mind this is purely for a gang tackler. not a solo inty.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.09.29 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 29/09/2009 02:45:59
Originally by: Warrio
If the damage from your interceptor is important then you and your gang are horribly **** people.
You obviously havent yet witnessed a proper interceptor wolfpack.
Picking off straggling cruisers, HACs, recons and battlecruisers is quite funny, more so if you can run with impunity if things go south.
Also, the people moaning about the damage output of a light missile crow need to get in their heads those are the long range weapons. Yes the crusader, taranis and claw deal more damage, but have to put themselves in far more danger.
In other words, compare the light missile crow to a beam crusader, arty claw or rail taranis...
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.09.29 06:01:00 -
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rail....ranis? does not compute. in my experience taranis is dead sexy, and all caldari inties are like the fat chick at a rock concert. theyre easy to get into but you didnt really accomplish anything.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Hola, esta forum es ingles solamente.
This forum is English only. Welcome to my lock. Now please, zip your pants. I don't need a show.
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Shade Millith
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.09.29 07:18:00 -
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Honestly, I'm a crappy inty pilot. I mean, I know the in's and outs of surviving and tackling in an inti, but I only ever fly it as tackle in a gang. Which means they don't live long
Just for the fact that the raptor's a fair bit cheaper than the crow is a good enough reason to fly it. --------------------------------------------
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.09.29 08:11:00 -
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Craptor is worst tackle inty... no need to say more.
Crow is decent /of combat inties its best tackler/, but you will still die to a competent pilot in ranis/sader/claw very fast.
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Spaztick
Terminal Impact Kairakau
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Posted - 2009.09.29 08:53:00 -
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People use the crow because they use missiles, allowing you to orbit your target at full speed without worrying about range or tracking issues. I would like someone to post me an arty claw or beam sader build that can match the buffer/damage/speed of a crow at the edge of point range.
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Shade Millith
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.09.29 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Craptor is worst tackle inty... no need to say more.
Crow is decent /of combat inties its best tackler/, but you will still die to a competent pilot in ranis/sader/claw very fast.
It probably is the worst, but that does give it a use. It's cheap. It still goes fast, it still targets quick. For someone that only uses them for tackle, cheap is good. --------------------------------------------
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