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SickSeven
The Undead Righteous Knights
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Posted - 2009.09.28 14:34:00 -
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Lots of players gain LP, and some, if not a lot, don't use it. I think part of the problem is LP stores themselves and some of the insane requirements for items. 300 Amarr navy sergeant tags for a frigate module?? Give me a break. It's easier to get the BS Modules from LP stores than it is the smaller modules due to tag requirements.
Sorry, got on a rant. I think CCP should provide certificates or bonds, that can be bought with faction LP and sold on the market. I think this would open up a new market and allow some players to finally cash in on a resource they have but will never use.
The certs/bonds should have pre-set values, say, 5k, 25k, 100k? And then sold on the open market just like PLEXs. There would be an interface when interacting with your faction agent that would allow you to 'cash in' the LP cert/bond once purchased of the market, and the the bonds themselves would be buyable in the LP store itself just like any other faction mod.
Good, bad or ugly?
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Daphne Eveningstar
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Daphne Eveningstar on 28/09/2009 15:04:38 /signed, LP needs to be more fungible.
edit: there ought to be a slight, 1-3% cost of converting LP to certificates and back again. Perhaps add a skill that reduces this conversion cost.
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Orexis Kirhal
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:20:00 -
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/signed
As you said, the main reason why most people just leave lps stored up is the difficulty of turning them into profit worth the hassle
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Admiral Akenaten
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:23:00 -
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/signed... I've got LP from fleets where the only reason for my being there was to boost standing with the NPC corp in question. I'd love to be able to trade them back to other fleet folks or sell them, though I'd make the sizes smaller, maybe 1/10/100, then repeat with a 'k'. The PLEX model sounds like a good basis to start from, although it would be nice to move these to trade hubs since folks might not want to travel through low-sec just to get a LP bond.
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:54:00 -
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I too, have a lot of LP that I don't use.
/Signed
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SickSeven
The Undead Righteous Knights
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:15:00 -
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updated to clarify that these would be transportable through space, unlike PLEXs.
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Eagle Hawkstrike
M.I.M.M.S
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Posted - 2009.09.29 00:48:00 -
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maybe a simple way to do this would be to just provide two options on getting the items. instead of only having a LP/tag hand in for the module and a LP/tag or LP/cash maybe even a sole doubled LP cost. I know they already have this for some items but i noticed not for all, they should just make it the same for all items in the LP store. My position in the corp "Logistics Coordinator" just a fancy name for Janitor. |
SickSeven
The Undead Righteous Knights
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Posted - 2009.09.29 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Eagle Hawkstrike maybe a simple way to do this would be to just provide two options on getting the items. instead of only having a LP/tag hand in for the module and a LP/tag or LP/cash maybe even a sole doubled LP cost. I know they already have this for some items but i noticed not for all, they should just make it the same for all items in the LP store.
currently if there are multiple ways to buy an item from the LP store, it's listed multiple times. If that was done for every item imagine how enormous the list of items would be. with everything listed 3 times.
I still think letting people trade raw lp is a good idea.
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James Sheridan
Taurus Quantum Dynamics
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Posted - 2009.09.29 04:47:00 -
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I would suggest that LP could be traded for faction standing increases.
The LP is supposed to provide additional money / items as a reward so why not allow LP to provide standing by trading them in ? [url=http://profile.xfire.com/predator490][/url] |
Calgura
Gallente Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2009.09.29 06:31:00 -
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"So, my loyal friend, would you like to buy some items from our shop, which you and only you have access to because of the loyalty you've shown us" "Yes, I'd like to buy access to that random guy over there.. Yes, the one who's shot Gallente down. Yeah! He needs a Gallente factioned item, but he can't become loyal to you because he's been shooting you!"
Hmmm, trade LP for faction standings sounds like that should be the way to go.
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Admiral Akenaten
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Posted - 2009.09.29 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: James Sheridan I would suggest that LP could be traded for faction standing increases.
The LP is supposed to provide additional money / items as a reward so why not allow LP to provide standing by trading them in ?
I could definitely go for this. Means fewer ISKies in my pockets than the bond-trading idea, but it's the standing I'm after anyways.
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Sigras
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Posted - 2009.09.29 06:49:00 -
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i agree with calgura . . . allowing LP to be traded from an RP perspective would be like me doing stuff for my dad so he'll lend my brother who just got grounded money . . .
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Eagle Hawkstrike
M.I.M.M.S
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Posted - 2009.09.29 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: SickSeven
Originally by: Eagle Hawkstrike maybe a simple way to do this would be to just provide two options on getting the items. instead of only having a LP/tag hand in for the module and a LP/tag or LP/cash maybe even a sole doubled LP cost. I know they already have this for some items but i noticed not for all, they should just make it the same for all items in the LP store.
currently if there are multiple ways to buy an item from the LP store, it's listed multiple times. If that was done for every item imagine how enormous the list of items would be. with everything listed 3 times.
I still think letting people trade raw lp is a good idea.
You can set filters so that if your after a particular item it blocks you from seeing the rest, having multiple listings of everything would not be that bad if people used filters.
Trading LP for standing with the corporation sounds good, trading LP for faction standing I'm not too sure on, I'd like it but LP is only really with a specific corp not the entire faction. My position in the corp "Logistics Coordinator" just a fancy name for Janitor. |
Alistone Malikite
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Posted - 2009.09.29 08:21:00 -
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There are obviously 2 complaints I hear.
Number 1, that tag requirements are excessive and make small modules prohibitively expensive.
Number 2, that Loyalty points aren't used.
I agree that the tag requirements make items very difficult to acquire; NPC demand for tags makes them very expensive too. But, faction items are supposed to be hard to get...
You can always just buy the module directly from the market and reward someone for the hard work they did getting it.
I have a better solution than "trading LPs". (Beside being unrealistic from an RP perspective, Putting LPs on the market would have wide economic impacts)
I suggest, that if you want to be able to convert small (or large) number of LPs into isk that they instead offer isk in the LP store. They could put a "Trade LPs for ISK" option in the LP store. This lets you get..say 100 to 500isk/LP (market seems to be to pay closer to 1000isk/LP, but I don't think someone who just wants the money should get full price :P
This way everyone could convert their LPs to isk if they like, AND it avoids messing up the market balance for faction mods/items.
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SickSeven
The Undead Righteous Knights
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Posted - 2009.09.29 08:40:00 -
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Updated OP to show other suggestions.
I see the point about opposite faction players buying LP and then getting access to their sworn enemies items. I think a simple fix could be that if you dont have proper standing to converse with an agent, then you dont get access to the LP store.
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Pan Dora
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.09.29 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Pan Dora on 29/09/2009 11:42:24 Nice ideia.
Make the LP tickets themselves LP rewards. Also make it cost more LP(5-15%) than they current give when assigned.
Also, to prevent use of LP by faction enemy, put a a standing requeriment on LP market. _
I like to play this game because it make my in-game actions and archievments to mean something in-game. |
T'Challa Wanakanda
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Posted - 2009.09.29 22:42:00 -
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If you want to sell your LPs then sell them to an NPC. Then you could still get paid for your unused LPs and it doesn't mess up the current faction item reward system.
Wouldn't that be a lot easier?
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Master Arrow
Trinity Capital Endeavors Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.09.30 01:27:00 -
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A way to offset this idea is for the LP officer to just offer isk per LP. |
Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:26:00 -
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Why not sell enemy tags for LP? Could be done in the LP shop.
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Daenosa
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:35:00 -
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Slightly off topic but what about being able to give your LP to the corp your in? Would make a bit more sense RP wise and would allow corp members to build up LP enough for big purchases
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SickSeven
The Undead Righteous Knights
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:06:00 -
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updated OP again. I think we'll keep it to the 5 main suggestions as some can be implemented together.
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SickSeven
The Undead Righteous Knights
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Posted - 2009.10.01 04:31:00 -
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looking for more feedback.
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Eagle Hawkstrike
M.I.M.M.S
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Posted - 2009.10.01 04:51:00 -
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Responding to the updated initial post.
I like idea 2 provided its a small faction standing increase, maybe have two potions with that trade LP for corporation standings (so your standings with chemal tech for example) or trade at a lower rate for the faction standings (chemal tech LP goes towards Gallente for example). could also have set values like 1000 for x%, 5000 for Y% so on.
I like the 3rd idea though it may be tricky to keep the exchange rate from being better through LP than getting items and selling them. If a working system for that appears then great.
I really like idea 4, in fact i think there should be an option for player corporations to be able to store LP that it gets from it's members choosing to share rewards with the corporation. My corp does corp mission nights occasionally where all loot and salvage goes to the corp, we would also love to have an option where the rewards from the missions get shared directly to the corp with thecurrent sharing method between fleet members.
These are good ideas
Idea 1 I'm still unsure on, trading LP is tricky cause LP is a sign of the trust earned by you and your fleet, sounds a bit hard for someone else unrelated to you to be able to use the trust the corporation gave to you.
Idea 5 i do have concerns about as tags could very easily disappear from the market affecting people buying tags to get those special rewards that they in turn might sell to others. (we all know how hard it is some times to get the right combo of tags for the item we need just from drops alone) My position in the corp "Logistics Coordinator" just a fancy name for Janitor. |
SickSeven
The Undead Righteous Knights
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Posted - 2009.10.02 19:35:00 -
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So, 2, 3, and 4 I think are the best and could all be implemented together.
Shall I try moving this to the Assembly Hall?
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.10.02 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 02/10/2009 19:43:12 Don't see why not. Worst that can happen is that it is shot down ruthlessly
PS: Number 5 is already in game. All faction tags can be traded for a static ISK amount at the opposing factions Navy stations. Use "view market details" and see what buy orders have the 365d duration, those are NPC buy orders. The tags most commonly used for LP store offers are generally worth more on market though, sometimes at 2-3 times the NPC value.
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2009.10.03 13:33:00 -
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To point out, I wanted LP from tags instead of ISK, could only be a modest amount, but it'd help more than a pittance of ISK's.
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Arch Law
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Posted - 2009.10.03 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Arch Law on 03/10/2009 17:27:56 Edited by: Arch Law on 03/10/2009 17:27:45 Btw, the LP store is a notable isk sink since A) it requires substantial amounts of isk to cash in lp, and B) any tags used to cash in lp disappears instead of normally being sold to npc isk fountains. A direct LP-to-isk proposal would have to address this change in role first, imo.
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