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Anhur Shu
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Squizz Caphinator Subject: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: - omg check this out!!!111!!!!
^^ If that ever happens in this new mail system, I'm so setting my CSPA to the max
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Kaito Haakkainen
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:57:00 -
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Without, at the very least, EVE integrated corp and alliance forums and killboards I really don't see the point in releasing it.
Reusing the name COSMOS was also poor taste given how much attention that feature has received over the years.
I was really looking forward to this. For some reason my mind had conjured the ideas of people outside EVE being able to mail and chat with me in-game, of being able to do similar with my EVE buddies when I'm away from my PC, and of the afore mentioned forums and killboards where pilots are added and removed automatically and kills/loses posted directly. I'm sure there are plans for the future but if you want the concept to catch on you need to release with at least a few features that will appeal to the majority of users that are not already (and in some cases cannot be) covered elsewhere on the web.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.09.28 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kaito Haakkainen Without, at the very least, EVE integrated corp and alliance forums and killboards I really don't see the point in releasing it.
Reusing the name COSMOS was also poor taste given how much attention that feature has received over the years.
I was really looking forward to this. For some reason my mind had conjured the ideas of people outside EVE being able to mail and chat with me in-game, of being able to do similar with my EVE buddies when I'm away from my PC, and of the afore mentioned forums and killboards where pilots are added and removed automatically and kills/loses posted directly. I'm sure there are plans for the future but if you want the concept to catch on you need to release with at least a few features that will appeal to the majority of users that are not already (and in some cases cannot be) covered elsewhere on the web.
BINGO.
Also, along with 'official' in-game killboards- the ability to mine that data in detail. Filters to analyse kills by just about every metric possible. For instance, I'd like to see just how many 1v1 BS vs BS engagements I've had, and how many of those I've won/lost, what types of ships were involved etc.
To me, kill performance data is a much needed addition to Eve along with these other management tools. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Ariane VoxDei
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Posted - 2009.09.28 19:27:00 -
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Would it be correct to assume, that this means the evemail system will become a webmail clone that is moondoggie driven?
If so what will the protection be like against: * web beacons - you know, those nasty little 1x1 or 0x0 images. Potential to leak IP address and link it to a specific character. * loading of images in general, but off-site/3rd-party content in particular. * Flash content. Flash, with disturbingly high frequency, is subject to new exploits, all of which require no user interaction. Also same tracking / IP leaking as webbeacons. * Scripted content - popups, cookies, cross-site scripting, iframe abuse, clearclick, etc.. * Cookie tracking. * I would have listed other problematic plugins, but so far we have heard that plugins will not be allowed, apart from flash appearing to work for some.
You can say a lot about the limits of the current evemail system, but it is totally immune.
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Smoke Adian
Caldari Draconic Industries Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.28 19:40:00 -
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COSMOS is a horrible, confusing name - something that has been mentioned many, many times in each COSMOS thread.
GalNet is a 19.7% better name and actually makes sense.
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Herr Nerdstrom
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Posted - 2009.09.28 19:56:00 -
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First, thanks again for always trying to improve the game. However, I feel that in this case CCP has missed the mark. In your blog post, and overall, I see only the introduction of features in COSMOS, but no justification for them. Two-way friend confirmations like Facebook? If I want friends, profiles, status updates, etc, then I will just use FB. Future ability to play videos? If I want videos I will use youtube. There is no sense in reinventing already functioning and elsewhere maintained systems in EvE (the client itself is wrought with such problems).
I have no need for a social networking infrastructure inside of a game...in the end, this sounds like bloatware. I admit that the in game mail system needs a redesign, and the IGB is atrocious, but can we instead focus on more important things than social networking? As it stands already, my interface is absolutely cluttered with windows, especially those that don't behave as they should. How about fixing these problems, adding flexibility how the in game windows operate (change in font size or more shrinking of windows anyone?), or even allowing EvE to natively span multiple monitors so I can put all of my crap on one monitor and the viewport on another? How about fixing how windows dock with one another? As it stands my fleet windows show up all over the place without warning, forcing me to reposition and resize them every time I undock.
I would like to see some more value-added changes introduced to the game, and I don't believe social networking is one.
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Darth Skorpius
Crystalline INC Dead End Society
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Smoke Adian COSMOS is a horrible, confusing name - something that has been mentioned many, many times in each COSMOS thread.
GalNet is a 19.7% better name and actually makes sense.
this. we already have galnet in the lore, and ive seen a lot of news items reference it. and back when i had first started playing eve, i kept wondering what the hell galnet was and where i could find it. eventually i realised it was just a fancy name beign given to the forums.
speaking of forums, will we be getting new forums with "cosmos"? now that we have a proper ingame browser coming, i see no need ot keep these crappy costum made forums that required me to login 6 times just to make this post. ______________________________________________
Originally by: PrismX in IRC funny fact... api is icelandic for 'monkey' ;)
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:27:00 -
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When the new mail system goes live, will our older Evemails be preserved? Or will we just log in one day to find them gone?
I'm not the first to point out that before you wipe the old mails, you need to provide people with an export tool. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Smoke Adian COSMOS is a horrible, confusing name - something that has been mentioned many, many times in each COSMOS thread.
GalNet is a 19.7% better name and actually makes sense.
CalNet is liek OVER 9000% better
screw gallente (in game)
but seriously COSMOS is a bad name. You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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Sappho Lesbos
Swarm Of Locusts
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Manu Hermanus
Originally by: Smoke Adian COSMOS is a horrible, confusing name - something that has been mentioned many, many times in each COSMOS thread.
GalNet is a 19.7% better name and actually makes sense.
CalNet is liek OVER 9000% better
screw gallente (in game)
but seriously COSMOS is a bad name.
Could be wrong, but I was pretty sure it stood for Galaxy Net or something along those lines.
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Keiko Kobayashi
Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Keiko Kobayashi on 28/09/2009 21:20:04 Please please make the calendar also available as a vCal / RSS feed!
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Draco Argen
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:28:00 -
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Ok, first, this is an outlandish thing to suggest. But i'm not asking fotr it, I'm just saying "Hey, while your ripping up the road, dont forget to plan". Be assured, I know this is not trivial, and I am not being flippant.
Google Wave.
The Protocol and API for Google wave have been released for some time now. Googles implementation is still very tightly controlled to small number of testers, but be assured it is coming. The protocol is specifically designed open so other companies can make their own Wave servers and cross communicate. I could see massive success for CCP and Eve if you at least make sure you have scope to make your own Wave server/Service for COSMOS. Or at very least a rudimentary implementation of some features you like.
It would be a massive shame if you guys ripped up the road, and put in a wonderful future planned system, but ended up being gimped and behind the times because you accidentally designed in some blockers. Given the size of Eve I could see it being another 3-4 years before it would ever get rectified.
Otherwise, this is a MASSIVE welcome update . Evemail and the contact system have been a bain of my Eve job, being responsible for Intel I have wasted sooo much time from the absolutely atrocious current communication system . So thank you, so very much. And good luck.
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Mistral Sud
Minmatar Black Box Corp.
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:58:00 -
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This has more potential than i can really think of! i see some tears in the mmo industry god move ccp! but tbh its a nobrainer
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:59:00 -
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Didn't think I'd care, but tbh, I'm starting to see some uses and relevance for this. _____________________________
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente MAIDS The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:59:00 -
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Facebook bull**** can stay the hell out of my eve thanks. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.Poor PR in progress!
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente The Rise of The Dragon Knights Void Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.28 23:07:00 -
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Decent mail would be nice. Can't say I care about any of the other stuff.
Oh, and COSMOS is a still stupid name --- Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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Sir Nimmo
Amarr Gun Metal Priests
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Posted - 2009.09.28 23:38:00 -
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I must admit, when reading this, it did kind of make me thing of Google Apps, but there is a good chance that is just because the Uni I study at (St Andrews Uni) have just switched from a terrible and foul old system to a shiny and nice google apps implementation.
Although, with Moondoggie being powered by Chrome technologies, it doesn't seem too far-fetched that CCP could be implementing a very heavily augmented variant of Google Apps, as there must surely have been some sort of discussion with them. I know it's open source, but I am under the impression you need to get special permissions to use open source stuff in a money-making venture.
Either way, I am liking the sound of this! Here's hoping we will get a bit of a hands-on at Fanfest this week. Good lord, it's only just sinking in that it is really that soon!
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2009.09.29 01:13:00 -
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I have to curiously wonder what sort of CCP resources are put into this COSMOS project for its inception, and what sort of resources will be involved for its continual upgrade and maintenance. Right now, I see it as a non-core addition to the EVE (business), more of a luxury with bells and whistles than necessity.
Frankly, I'm not overtly optimistic over its value for players in the first iteration. Beyond that, CCP's track record of tardiness in fixing the obvious doesn't exactly build confidence. Easy examples : the still pathetic Eve-O forum search that made almost everyone turn to Eve-Search for reference and the mess on wiki.eveonline
Looks like this thing is critically tied to DUST for CCP to justify spending resources on this project. Only time will tell whether this was the right move, because if things come to a crunch, keeping COSMOS running will not be so easy to justify.
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Cor'len
Inquest
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Posted - 2009.09.29 01:39:00 -
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CCP priorities fail 2.0. First Dust, then this.
No, EVE doesn't need Evebook or AvatarSpace or whatever. New e-mail system: Sure fine, will be appreciated. Social networking: No thank you, I consider it detrimental to the value of EVE.
"Ooh, but you can just ignore it!" Yes, sure, but CCP is still spending time and money on vapid bull****.
"Ooh, but it's just so they can sucker more people into playing what used to be known as a hard-core space sim back in 2004 but is now so fisherpriceified that it's disgusting!" Sure. You're a business, you must subsequently spend every iota of effort you can muster into increasing shareholder value.
Because there is nothing we players love more than your ****ing shareholder value.
Yes I'm cynical and bitter. After all, I've played EVE for close to five years, and it doesn't exactly enhance your faith in humanity.
-Cor There'd be a graphical sig here if I wasn't so lazy. |
Kaito Haakkainen
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.29 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cor'len Social networking: No thank you, I consider it detrimental to the value of EVE.
Social networking killed solo PvP, did unpleasant things to my megathron, and ate my dog.
But seriously, EVE is all about social networking you get to meet new and interesting people... then you get to kill them and take their stuff. Some people have even grouped together and made associates, even friends, here so that they can kill people and take their stuff together (or whatever else it is such gatherings of people do).
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Novus Auctorita
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Posted - 2009.09.29 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cor'len CCP priorities fail 2.0. First Dust, then this.
How goes that multi-million dollar business you're running? Oh, wait... That's right, you're probably just flipping burgers or something.
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Riffix
The Graduates
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Posted - 2009.09.29 04:18:00 -
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So where exactly does the release of the new IGB (moondoggle) fit into this timeline? Dominion or post?
Thoughts:
COSMOS name: meh Personal status updates: bleh Static information posting and access control(like the kind that all too often gets stickied in a forum because there is no better/easier place): win Built-in calendar with built-in time-zone conversion: win
I disagree with the assertion that big alliances would rather use third party solutions. They use them because they are organized and that was the only way to do it. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an alliance who wouldn't use a built-in solution if it did everything they currently use their third-party one for. As someone else mentioned, that is a lot of personal overhead to those who run those systems that really shouldn't have to be wasted.
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Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.29 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Speaking of mail, will we see the dawn of [email protected] email-to-evemail interaction?
awesome, somewhere to send my love letters and fan mail now =) Armoured C forum extraordinaire #72 top poster
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.29 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Chribba Speaking of mail, will we see the dawn of [email protected] email-to-evemail interaction?
awesome, somewhere to send my love letters and fan mail now =)
Didn't say it was a good thing though... Just curious if there's plans.
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DaDutchDude
Minmatar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.29 09:49:00 -
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One thing I'm wondering about: will COSMOS also allow /enable 3rd party applications to be developed, like most social networking sites allow 3rd party development? I know I would really like that and it could unlock enormous potential. _____________________________________
Agony Unleashed (home of PVP University)
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Ravenja
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Posted - 2009.09.29 09:51:00 -
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Accessing evemail outside of eve = win. But what interface exactly are you planning to offer? Webmail only, or something real like IMAP? Allow longer mails, plz! And lets all pray we won't get burried under spam...
- rename the thing. - Facebook shouldn't be the model. Look at FB average user age and compare with eve. - don't use google technology, you should honor your users data privacy
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Smalum
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.09.29 10:04:00 -
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the new browser is already on sisi, so i'd asume it's due for dominion. check it out
The focus of cosmos seems a bit flawed. sure, mail needs a revamp and the suggested changes on and deployment of that seems sound, but looking on the later plans you mentioned i get a bit disappointed..
What we need is live out-of-game<->in-game interaction, like corp/alliance chat, ability to manually set up channels for stuf like intel/strategic coordination/recruitment, to be able to do all the slow pace non-action stuff like skill planning, corp management, role management etc. in a situation where you don't have access to the game but you can use a browser (read: when idling at work). give us the ability to do all the paperwork from a browser and we can enjoy flying around when actually logged into the game. i think people, at least i am, more interested in tools for making the eve experience less of a burden, not new abilities of further indulgence into eve nerdyness: it's bad enough as it is
thus:
*mail: sure, go for it
*calendar: could be useful if it's featured both in and out of game
*homes: ditch this idea completely. seriously.
*profiles: getting profile info like the window you get when checking info on a player in game could be useful, but i want to know what you mean by "other useful info". also, status updates...? give me a break
*contacts: no use of this if you sort the synchronized ingame/oog chat, so ditch it. if your friends are online they are most likely in one of your channels. only scenarios where you would want to monitor a non-friends online/offline status would be in game (that i can think of). if you split it so that you can see when a person is online in cosmos but not in eve, like in standby mode in case of a log in trap or something, ppl just wouldn't use cosmos at all, and you've effectively shot yourself in the foot.
i really wounder what, if any, end-user feedback has gone into this project?
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Evlyna
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Posted - 2009.09.29 11:07:00 -
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Get the mail stuff in, that was needed 3 years ago. Scrap the Facebook/Twitter/Geek stuff. As if we did not have enough geeky social famous wannabe yada yada yada tools.
1 year ago, you had a decent internal alliance/corp market project and you flushed it. I'd rather see that coming back than another way to see that I have an appointment in Jita on December 25th.
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Ravenja
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Posted - 2009.09.29 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Smalum <the words i was looking for>
/signed
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2009.09.29 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Serpents smile on 29/09/2009 11:29:12 Somehow I foresee a sh*t load of new windows cluttering up your overview as you have not seen before.
And yes COSMOS is a bad name for this seeing how in decay the ingame COSMOS sites are. If you really want to give it a global name call it 'Galaxy' or (ed)'Universe'. (/edit).
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