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Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.09.28 19:40:00 - [1] In the paths of other "sheet" sites such as EVE-Sheet and inEve comes [eb] - eveboard.com With inEve not feeling well I'm trying out one of my own, expecting to run into trouble when more than 10 pilots are added but at the same time hoping to be able to solve any such issues that may arise. Feel free to give it a try and drop your suggestions and comments, as well of course do notify me of any bugs you may run into. [eb] - eveboard.com /c Secure 3rd party service

Aisley Tyrion The Penumbra Initiative Atropos.	Posted - 2009.09.28 19:42:00 - [2] First in Chribba thread! \o/
Alina Wize	Posted - 2009.09.28 20:17:00 - [3] Nice, I'm liking the ships & standings features. Sweet... Good job chrib.
Garos Svaratek Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.09.28 20:35:00 - [4] Looks tasty. I make good posts.
Seradhin	Posted - 2009.09.28 21:37:00 - [5] Looks nice, managed to get myself a few 1st place rankings (including most SP), which should last a few hours or so until some of the other high SP players notice this thread
Ryushe Tengo Kagegetsu	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:01:00 - [6] Looking good there Chribba. Raising the bar for the rest of us, well, me I guess (seeing as the rest are mostly gone and done for) Good luck! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Follow us on Twitter!
Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:46:00 - [7] Edited by: Estel Arador on 28/09/2009 22:46:52 Love the site Some suggestions: - add some numbers/stats such as "## of ### skills trained", "## of ### ships flown", or "can use ## of ### blueprints". They could be listed per category, per page, and/or listed on a separate page. - I love the blueprints and ships pages, any chance modules can be included too? (Or would that be too large a list? Perhaps just T2 modules?) - only list corporations in the "average SP" ranking if they have more than x members listed. I might come up with more suggestions later. FREE jumpclone service: Thread\|Podlog
Ifly Uwalk Caldari Somali Coastguard Authority	Posted - 2009.09.29 10:54:00 - [8] Awesome Chribba, tyvm. Also a couple of suggestions: 1) I'd like the ability to "Log Out." 2) The ships' list: Having the factions arranged side by side, similar to how ineve did it, makes it a lot easier to compare which ship types of any given faction I can fly. I understand that doing it that way can be seen as simply copying ineve, but tbh ineve, for all intents and purposes, no longer exists and, well, side by side comparison is simply a lot more pleasing to the eye. Imo. Either way, I shall pop a veld roid in your honor today. Ifly
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Calpolli Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2009.09.29 13:30:00 - [9] I like. The complete "sp by skill level" is quite cool. The low level (1/2/maybe 3) champions will be constantly changing... making them a nice accessible target for a new wave of skill rank obsessives. :) Yay. More people to share in my illness. Awesome work. Interesting times await...
Yarinor	Posted - 2009.09.29 14:19:00 - [10] Looks good, not really an intuitive way you add characters, but still good, also i like this: + Highest attribute (Charisma) 1. Pieni Halinalle 30.80 2. Relativity 23.10 3. Seradhin 22.00 4. Almerik 22.00 5. Entity 22.00 In other words 3 of the 5 with highest charisma potentially has 5 as a base (5 + 5 + 10) * 1.1
Metalcali Pacific Dawn	Posted - 2009.09.29 15:37:00 - [11] Completely love the site Chribba! Enjoy the certificate and especially the blueprint options, adds a nice new feature to look at and, for me since I still consider myself a noob, see all the BP's that I can and can't use. Thank you for taking the time to do this! --- Originally by: CCP Mitnal Locked. OP does not contain an idea.
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.09.29 16:17:00 - [12] Very nice site Chribba, and im in 14 of the top 5 categories, so im happy I'm sure a few others will sign up soon though and spoil my party lol.
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.09.29 16:21:00 - [13] Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 29/09/2009 16:24:09 Yay, my corp has the most SP for now... Maybe add top 10 instead of top 5 for the rankings. It would be nice if you could add one column per race for the ships, makes it a bit more compact. Two of the titan BPOs are missing from the list, can only see Erebus and Ragnarok there (not that I can build either of them). Also, if you could hide the headlines for empty categories it would be nice.
Erialor Godsent Gallente Federal Navy Support Divison	Posted - 2009.09.29 16:25:00 - [14] Wow - nice indeed Also I like the fact I'm showing up as number 3 in global ranking, though I don't really know why it'd place me there -- Get Your Crumplecorn signature here.
Clueless Alt	Posted - 2009.09.29 16:40:00 - [15] Edited by: Clueless Alt on 29/09/2009 16:41:56 Sweet.
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.09.29 16:40:00 - [16] Just a small point, you've got the Mothership skill pre-reqs at Carrier II in the ships listings when it should be Carrier III.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.09.29 18:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 29/09/2009 16:24:09 Yay, my corp has the most SP for now... Maybe add top 10 instead of top 5 for the rankings. It would be nice if you could add one column per race for the ships, makes it a bit more compact. Two of the titan BPOs are missing from the list, can only see Erebus and Ragnarok there (not that I can build either of them). Also, if you could hide the headlines for empty categories it would be nice. Will try to make changes to meet all those requests, many thanks. Originally by: Viggen Just a small point, you've got the Mothership skill pre-reqs at Carrier II in the ships listings when it should be Carrier III. Thanks, will take a look at that, if it's a gloabl thing or just for the MS'. Secure 3rd party service

Dretzle Omega Caldari Global Economy Experts Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2009.09.29 19:46:00 - [18] Hey Chribba, thanks for the site! (/me can't believe he's talking to Chribba! ) First off, I'm glad to see I'm in the top ten in a few categories! :D Which will quickly change as more people sign up, I'm sure. The attributes look like they're being calculated wrong, though. The Out of Eve site and an app for my Android phone show me as having 23.10 memory, for example. It looks like the Eve Online character sheet rounds that down to 23. However, your site says I have 22 in memory... That's a base 9, implant 4, Eidetic Memory 4, Instant Recall 4, Learning 5. 4 + 4 + 4 + 9 = 21 * 1.10 = 23.10. So 21 without Learning calculated, or 23.10 total. I fail to see how your site reaches 22. The other attributes except for my intelligence are off by 1.1 as well, it looks like. It looks like my Standings are just my base standings. It would be nice to see the modified standings based on my skills, as well. But overall looks great, and much faster than Eve Sheet, as well!
Emma Royd Caldari Maddled Gommerils	Posted - 2009.09.29 19:58:00 - [19] Chribba you rock :) Got a char (not this one) at number 2 with navigation skills, only number 2????? just point me at a navigation skill he's not got to 5 and I'll be happy (probably cos he's equal 2nd with some other char) The standings is a nice touch, all we need now is a proper agent finder that looks at the standings :) "To Do Is To Be" - Nietzsche "To Do Is To Do" - Kant "Do Be Do Be Do" - Sinatra

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.09.29 20:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Dretzle Omega Hey Chribba, thanks for the site! (/me can't believe he's talking to Chribba! ) First off, I'm glad to see I'm in the top ten in a few categories! :D Which will quickly change as more people sign up, I'm sure. The attributes look like they're being calculated wrong, though. The Out of Eve site and an app for my Android phone show me as having 23.10 memory, for example. It looks like the Eve Online character sheet rounds that down to 23. However, your site says I have 22 in memory... That's a base 9, implant 4, Eidetic Memory 4, Instant Recall 4, Learning 5. 4 + 4 + 4 + 9 = 21 * 1.10 = 23.10. So 21 without Learning calculated, or 23.10 total. I fail to see how your site reaches 22. The other attributes except for my intelligence are off by 1.1 as well, it looks like. It looks like my Standings are just my base standings. It would be nice to see the modified standings based on my skills, as well. But overall looks great, and much faster than Eve Sheet, as well! Small bug there indeed, should be fixed now I hope. The standings are indeed the standings exported directly, no skills added, will add skill modifier to the list and see if I can get them sorted. Secure 3rd party service

Dretzle Omega Caldari Global Economy Experts Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2009.09.29 20:50:00 - [21] Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 29/09/2009 20:51:57 Originally by: Emma Royd The standings is a nice touch, all we need now is a proper agent finder that looks at the standings :) Awesome idea! eve-agents.com looks at eveboard.com to see what standings you have and whether you can use agents, or looks at your skills/standings to see how much RP you'll get from Research Agents. EDIT: And it looks like my overall rank went up by one. :) Must have been those extra attributes that are being calculated now.
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.09.29 21:21:00 - [22] More suggestions: Add a remove button next to each filter entry for the character sale skill search. Tweak the icons for the certificates, standard and elite are quite similar in colour. Maybe rework the way you list missing skills for various items by having it dislay as a tooltip box when you hover over the icon/text for the cert/ship/bpo in question. Add the skills in the queue as a blue dot in the skill level bars just like it is in game. Oh and finally, please add a counter somewhere that list number of chars in the database. Ok, I'm done.
Belmorn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.09.30 02:41:00 - [23] Hey great site thanks
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2009.09.30 03:01:00 - [24] Absolutely love the personal rankings bit. Nice site! --- All 390 skills trained. Tripoli on EVE-Sheet.com
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.09.30 04:23:00 - [25] Edited by: Amateratsu on 30/09/2009 04:25:20 Hey Chribba I Absolutely love the site, Especially seeing myself sitting on the podium in the overall rankings. Couple small issues, The subscription expired on 1 of my alt accounts and now i cannot access 1 of the characters on that account. Theres a red bar saying "automactic api update disabled..." my alt Londo Mallari no longer appears in the list of characters when i login to the account and there appears to be no way for me to re-enable the api for that char. The level for the 3 unique skills (salvage drone op,mobile factory op,mobile refinery op) is still not being displayed/counted in the by level ranks). This is probably due to the data returned by the api not specifying the level due to the skills being unpublised. So the level will need to be calculated based on actual sp trained in the skill. Thanks. á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.09.30 06:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 29/09/2009 23:24:36 More suggestions: Add a remove button next to each filter entry for the character sale skill search. Tweak the icons for the certificates, standard and elite are quite similar in colour. Maybe rework the way you list missing skills for various items by having it dislay as a tooltip box when you hover over the icon/text for the cert/ship/bpo in question. Add the skills in the queue as a blue dot in the skill level bars just like it is in game. Add ranking based on number of BPOs that can be used. Oh and finally, please add a counter somewhere that list number of chars in the database. Ok, I'm done. Edit, I just tried to update my setting and the webpage exploded on me Quote: Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e14' [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Invalid column name 'settings_update'. /includes.asp, line 37 Adding another batch of ideas to the list And error fixed, was missing a 'd' Secure 3rd party service

Erialor Godsent Gallente Federal Navy Support Divison	Posted - 2009.09.30 15:07:00 - [27] I still wonder why I would end ranked 3rd on the global ranking - not that I don't like being on the Band of Fame, though ;) What's the criteria for the global ranking? Afaics a few (or many) more skilled pilots have joined and should be listed instead of little me. -- Get Your Crumplecorn signature here.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.09.30 16:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Erialor Godsent I still wonder why I would end ranked 3rd on the global ranking - not that I don't like being on the Band of Fame, though ;) What's the criteria for the global ranking? Afaics a few (or many) more skilled pilots have joined and should be listed instead of little me. I'm gonna take a guess that its some kind of calculation on the sum of your positions in all of the ranking catagory's. So a high sp char whos specialised in 1 or 2 fields may rank high in 1 or 2 catagory's but lower in most the others. Whereas a jack of all trades who has spread his sp out across more fields may rank better in more catagory's and therefore get a better overall rank. Which is good as even a relatively low sp character can achieve a ranking position, and is not competing against unbeatable veterans á
Dretzle Omega Caldari Global Economy Experts Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2009.09.30 16:36:00 - [29] There's also the "Amount of SP in Level One skills" and "Number of untrained skills" rankings. :)
Rhaegor Stormborn H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.09.30 17:10:00 - [30] Yay! But I do not see an option to show skills which you could train, but have not yet injected. You said in another thread this would be a feature. Will it becoming soon? Click Me!
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.10.01 05:52:00 - [31] Edited by: Mag''s on 01/10/2009 06:11:18 Nice site. Edit: Suggestion. I would like the ability to remain anonymous, even when my name is searched for. The reason being, I'd like to know myself where I'm ranked, but not show others my skills. Maybe a 'Keep the sheet personal.' or 'Hide the sheet from public view.' box to tick?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.01 07:32:00 - [32] The global rank is your average of all categories, so while someone may be #1 in a few categories he/she could be ranked very low globally (it's still in the works, currently if you fail to place yourself in a category you will receive a 1000 point "deduction" placing you way back, this is so no low-sp alts which have not trained would end up in the overall good places). Not trained skills will be implemented but I have no ETA on that. Originally by: Mag's I would like the ability to remain anonymous, even when my name is searched for. The reason being, I'd like to know myself where I'm ranked, but not show others my skills. Maybe a 'Keep the sheet personal.' or 'Hide the sheet from public view.' box to tick? Put a password on your sheet, that will delist your name (thus show you as Anonymous in the rankings - except if you check your own sheet ofc). Secure 3rd party service

RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.01 09:10:00 - [33] Nice work Chribba -- 3 Titans Lottery InEve \| Capital
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.10.01 14:36:00 - [34] Edited by: Mag''s on 01/10/2009 14:42:27 Originally by: Chribba Put a password on your sheet, that will delist your name (thus show you as Anonymous in the rankings - except if you check your own sheet ofc). I did that, logged out, searched for Mag's, and my sheet came up. I'll try again, maybe I missed something. Edit: Sorted, I guess it auto filled the password, or I just didn't log out. Good stuff bud.
Moon Dogg Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.10.01 17:18:00 - [35] Good stuff - thanks for the effort! *********************************** "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me..."
ArmyOfMe Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.02 11:57:00 - [36] looks sweet :D however when you look at your rankings etc it would be nice to see how many char's are registerd on the site
Vyger Edge of Existence	Posted - 2009.10.02 12:52:00 - [37] Nice job Chribba. Thanks for stepping in and responding to the eve community once again.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.02 13:18:00 - [38] Originally by: ArmyOfMe looks sweet :D however when you look at your rankings etc it would be nice to see how many char's are registerd on the site Statistics and such will be added, just waiting a bit to not cause the effect of people not signing up because they see there's only like 34 chars registered. So it's not forgotten, just waiting for a better moment of implementation. Secure 3rd party service

Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2009.10.02 18:31:00 - [39] 35. Very nice, Chribba! -=ATI=-

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.02 18:55:00 - [40] Originally by: Dr Caymus 35. Very nice, Chribba! Dude... + 1 Leadership skills trained, for a total of 0 skillpoints. haha glad to have you onboard Secure 3rd party service

Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2009.10.02 19:00:00 - [41] LOL! But check out my Gunnery and Spaceship Command...! -=ATI=-
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.02 20:05:00 - [42] Can i make a feature suggestion? A page counter thats shows how many times your char is viewed by other players would be cool á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.02 20:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Dr Caymus LOL! But check out my Gunnery and Spaceship Command...! Showoff Originally by: Amateratsu Can i make a feature suggestion? A page counter thats shows how many times your char is viewed by other players would be cool It's already implemented, but not displayed (also one of those implementions that will show when the number of users rise a bit more), so no worries, it is counting while you don't see it. Secure 3rd party service

Nanobot The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.10.03 13:41:00 - [44] Outdone yourself again Chribbs, Looks amazing. Sure it will only get better with time as well. Shoot 1st, shoot some more, keep shooting, some more shot, and if anyones alive after ask a few questions. Just a soldier following orders.
Arthalion Thoidon Caldari Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2009.10.03 16:58:00 - [45] And Chribba does it again. Site looks great. Register my 3 main chars and still in a number of top 10's. I expect to drop out of most of those, based on where I was back when I last checked Ineve. Surprised a new site has so much finctionality right away. But it's eve's number 1 fansite creator we're talking about, so I shouldn't be. Oh yeah: THANKS CHRIBBA!
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.03 22:55:00 - [46] awesome stuff ... one comment though. If a character has no skills trained at level 0 or 1 it comes up with "no data" - instead of 0 .
Arthalion Thoidon Caldari Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2009.10.04 08:28:00 - [47] Just checked the site again (went from overall rank 24 to 22 overnight, yay!), and I have a suggestion for some things you might be able to add: 1: There are list for the BP's and ships a char can use. - would love to also see lists of the modules(including rigs and subsystems), ammo and drones a char can use. I don't think the requirements for implants differ enough to need a list for them, but some people might like it. 2: If there are lists for all of those things I mentioned in point 1, maybe add rankings for them aswell. Although maybe a few of those list might look a bit boring. But then again the list for total SP in learning is probably the most boring list there'll ever be: the top 10 will always have the same number of SP.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.04 11:54:00 - [48] Originally by: Ravenal awesome stuff ... one comment though. If a character has no skills trained at level 0 or 1 it comes up with "no data" - instead of 0 Will look into that, thanks. Originally by: Arthalion Thoidon Just checked the site again (went from overall rank 24 to 22 overnight, yay!), and I have a suggestion for some things you might be able to add: 1: There are list for the BP's and ships a char can use. - would love to also see lists of the modules(including rigs and subsystems), ammo and drones a char can use. I don't think the requirements for implants differ enough to need a list for them, but some people might like it. 2: If there are lists for all of those things I mentioned in point 1, maybe add rankings for them aswell. Although maybe a few of those list might look a bit boring. But then again the list for total SP in learning is probably the most boring list there'll ever be: the top 10 will always have the same number of SP. There isn't such a list but it is on the "wanted" list already, problem with that is that there's so many modules and rigs that I am as of yet a bit unsure about the whole resource thing, but I might add that with a one day cache or similar to reduce the overall load. Win a Hel mothership for 10M ISK

Andrymeda	Posted - 2009.10.04 13:57:00 - [49] That has to be the best skill board out there! Nice work! ----------- Amused pilot
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.04 14:05:00 - [50] Loving this site! A feature I liked from the InEve site, was that you could click on a skill category, and view a full rankings list of everyone for that category. This enabled people not in the top ten to be able to view other characters that were close to themselves in the rankings, and see who their closest rivals were :) Is there a possibility of adding this feature?
Erialor Godsent Gallente Federal Navy Support Divison	Posted - 2009.10.04 15:34:00 - [51] Corp-logo seems to be missing Linkage for me. -- Get Your Crumplecorn signature here.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.04 18:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Viggen Is there a possibility of adding this feature? Adding that to the list of features. Originally by: Erialor Godsent Corp-logo seems to be missing Linkage for me. Will see what can be done about logo rendering (as I atm rely on Ix's great generator). Win a Hel mothership for 10M ISK


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.05 12:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Ravenal awesome stuff ... one comment though. If a character has no skills trained at level 0 or 1 it comes up with "no data" - instead of 0 You mean at the rankings? Should be like that on purpose this sorta adds a mix to the overall ranking (as you will be punished for not being placed in a category lol) Win a Hel mothership for 10M ISK

Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2009.10.05 12:47:00 - [54] Is it a bad thing that I'm considering leaving a skill untrained and a couple of skill at level I and II just to get a decent overall ranking? FREE jumpclone service: Thread\|Podlog

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.05 13:15:00 - [55] Originally by: Estel Arador Is it a bad thing that I'm considering leaving a skill untrained and a couple of skill at level I and II just to get a decent overall ranking? That's actually my aim for the overall ranking, to make it a bit more balanced than just "the top pilots will always remain in the top", seeing as some may drop some ranks due to that fact. Good or bad? Feel free to discuss how an overall ranking should be calculated. And full list rankings added, as well as sheet hits. Win a Hel mothership for 10M ISK

Athias	Posted - 2009.10.05 15:55:00 - [56] Edited by: Athias on 05/10/2009 15:57:48 Looks really nice Mister Veldspar. I do like my #1 in trade to start off with But to be really annoying, if more than 1 share the same amount of SP in a group, shouldnt they have the same rank number. For instance in social/learning there will/should come a lot who has the same amount of SP so they should share the #1 and then the next most SP should be #3 or another lower number. edited after seeing I was only #2 in social and even less in learning.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.05 17:47:00 - [57] I dunno? Should they? The reason it isn't like that atm is because that would make the listing really really annoying, since now I return eg the top 10 straight off, doing what you suggest I would potentially need to return like 50 people to ensure that 10 spots get listed with the dupes that same stats would cause. So now it sorts by the "attribute" and then by most sp. Win a Hel mothership for 10M ISK

Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2009.10.05 18:43:00 - [58] Edited by: Estel Arador on 05/10/2009 18:43:11 Originally by: Chribba So now it sorts by the "attribute" and then by most sp. One could argue that scoring high in a certain category while having few SP is more of an achievement than scoring high while having many SP. So perhaps sorting by the "attribute" and then by least SP would be more fair? FREE jumpclone service: Thread\|Podlog
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.05 19:18:00 - [59] Originally by: Estel Arador Edited by: Estel Arador on 05/10/2009 18:43:11 Originally by: Chribba So now it sorts by the "attribute" and then by most sp. One could argue that scoring high in a certain category while having few SP is more of an achievement than scoring high while having many SP. So perhaps sorting by the "attribute" and then by least SP would be more fair? I don't think thats any fairer as once a player pases a certain level of sp he will be effectively locked out of the top rankings as lower sp players will always get priority. Whats needed is an attribute that does not have an upper or lower limit, an attribute that can always be beaten by any player who puts in the effort/training time. what that attribute should be is a very difficult problem to solve. as it stands atm, the ranks will eventually be dominated by high sp veterans who have maxed out their training in certain ranks. á
Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2009.10.05 19:31:00 - [60] Edited by: Estel Arador on 05/10/2009 19:32:25 Originally by: Amateratsu I don't think thats any fairer as once a player pases a certain level of sp he will be effectively locked out of the top rankings as lower sp players will always get priority. The sorting only applies to cases where the players have an equal score in a certain category. The high-SP character won't be 'locked out' since he has (in most cases) a better chance of actually scoring higher. Only when failing to score higher than a lower-SP character, the higher-SP character would be ranked below the the lower-SP character. The sorting by least SP would also fix the problem you raise: Quote: as it stands atm, the ranks will eventually be dominated by high sp veterans who have maxed out their training in certain ranks. Let's say two characters, A and B, have maxed out all skills in the Drone category, which is about 20M SP. Let's say A has 40M SPs total and B has 100M SP total. In that case I'd think A having all Drone skills is more of an achievement than B having all Drone skills. The great part is, since A will continue to gain SP other people who are still working on their Drone skills have a possibility of actually beating him in the ranking. Even if A for some reason stops training skills and doesn't gain any SP, he can still be beaten by someone getting all Drone skills while having less SP. FREE jumpclone service: Thread\|Podlog
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:25:00 - [61] Lets say for example we have 10 players who have maxed out the drones catagory, the sp of those 10 players ranges between 30 and 40 million sp Any other players who have also maxed out drones but have more than 40m sp will be locked out of the top 10 for that catagory. Only lower sp players can enter the top rankings, and then only untill they pass the upper sp threshold at which point they will be locked out. Whats needed is a method of sorting that can always be beaten by any player who puts in the time and effort, weather they are a high sp veteran or a low sp noob. á
Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:59:00 - [62] Edited by: Estel Arador on 05/10/2009 21:01:29 Originally by: Amateratsu Only lower sp players can enter the top rankings, and then only untill they pass the upper sp threshold at which point they will be locked out. Locked out by new 'top' characters with less SP, not locked out by the original top. Sorting by least SP allows for more movement than sorting by most SP. In that once someone is maxed out and at the top, he'll stay there since there's no way to pass him in total SP if he continues to play. That effectively locks out everyone from the top and no amount of time/effort will change that. Granted, sorting by least SP won't meet your criterion of "can always be beaten by any player who puts in the time and effort", but surely it's better than the current 'once-at-the-top-forever-at-the-top' system? FREE jumpclone service: Thread\|Podlog
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:18:00 - [63] Agreed its better than the current system as younger players will always have the oppotunity to reach a top ranking position. Not so good for the older players who will gradually be pushed further and further down the rankings and will not be able to do anything about it. I leave it upto Chribba to decide what he thinks is best á
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.05 22:18:00 - [64] Next to the over all rank number, add the actual average score... Then you can actually see how far behind/ahead you are from the players next to you in rank. More competitive display of the data than just the raw rank :) .
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.05 23:05:00 - [65] Originally by: Chribba And full list rankings added, as well as sheet hits. Awesome job :) Now onto the next little niggle The rank listings have many people showing as "Anonymous". Now I can appreciate some people not wanting there name shown, but if that is the case then why sign up in the first place? If they wish to remain Anonymous then surely "No data" should appear for them and they shouldnt appear in the rankings. The same as when your isk balance, or current skill training is hidden, then No Data is displayed. The last thing we want is a top ten list full of "Anonymous", but that seems to be the way its heading atm.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.06 02:24:00 - [66] Originally by: Viggen The last thing we want is a top ten list full of "Anonymous", but that seems to be the way its heading atm. Agree. When I saw that I would still get on the lists and stuff while being ranked globally I restricted my profile ... but when I noticed what Viggen is pointing out I took the restriction off. I am also somewhat skeptical of having wallet info a part of the ranking (don't mind my wallet... always broke ... well at least until I buy those titan skills). Considering how awesome this site is ... being placed at 1000 doesn't seem such a bad thing for people that are ranked lower than that. Which I guess will happen once you get considerably more than 1000 profiles on your site :) .
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.10.06 06:54:00 - [67] I don't wish to have my sheet open to all, but I do want to see how I fare against others. Just because you're fine with others seeing your skills, doesn't mean those that are not should be left out. I'm all for showing my name in a category, but at the same time, if it means they get to know my skill set, then no. If there can be found a way to allow the name only then sure, why not.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.06 07:10:00 - [68] I will give the ranking some additional thought, using secondary sorting by the global rank is a good thing. As for the anonymous part, yeah I would not like to see a top 10 of anonymous either - the reason it is like that right now is as stated by previous poster - that some wish to know how they rank amongst others - but without showing it off. ofc displaying the name instead of anonymous - whilst still restricting the sheet is possible - however you'd still be able to make out what skillls/attributes/etc they have by finding them in the list and eg see they have max in drones - and by that way know they have full drone skills etc, that's the reason they show as anonymous atm. For the time it will remain that way, but if the general direction is a list of 10 anonymous pilots, then I will add the option to either be ranked or not (while having a private sheet) and thus get rid of the anonymous entries. On the global ranking score, I'm unsure if that would make a difference really as atm the scores varies by a lot and a lot can be done to change that score rapidly, eg throw in a 15 skill queue and update - that way maybe lowering your queue rank from 150 to 1 for 30 minutes. However I will keep it in mind and see if there's any useful way of adding some sort of number to the display rank. Win a Hel mothership for 10M ISK

Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.06 15:52:00 - [69] Originally by: Chribba For the time it will remain that way, but if the general direction is a list of 10 anonymous pilots, then I will add the option to either be ranked or not (while having a private sheet) and thus get rid of the anonymous entries. Thumbs up! .
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.06 22:38:00 - [70] Sounds fair enough to me m8 :) I have noticed since I bought up the anonymous thing that several have disappeared, whether thats from people showing their names now or being knocked of the top ten since then I dunno hehe. Anyway, thanks for your quick responces Chribba and swift changes. I know you must be busy with the other sites you run and rl stuff etc. Your doing an awesome job.. may the space around you remain full of Veldspar for many more years to come. salutes
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.06 23:36:00 - [71] Edited by: Ravenal on 06/10/2009 23:36:21 number of lvl 1-5 skills and skill points by lvl 1-5 is "almost" double counting the players that get high scores in either of those lists. ... its at least close enough, players only varying by a few ranks. So the question is... do players that rank high on nr of skills really need another similar ranking in nr of skill points? edit - should it be there average, secondary ranking by nr of skill points or? .

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.07 08:02:00 - [72] Originally by: Viggen Sounds fair enough to me m8 :) I have noticed since I bought up the anonymous thing that several have disappeared, whether thats from people showing their names now or being knocked of the top ten since then I dunno hehe. Anyway, thanks for your quick responces Chribba and swift changes. I know you must be busy with the other sites you run and rl stuff etc. Your doing an awesome job.. may the space around you remain full of Veldspar for many more years to come. salutes Nothing has been changed to that as of yet, so must be more people or less private sheets. Originally by: Ravenal Edited by: Ravenal on 06/10/2009 23:36:21 number of lvl 1-5 skills and skill points by lvl 1-5 is "almost" double counting the players that get high scores in either of those lists. ... its at least close enough, players only varying by a few ranks. So the question is... do players that rank high on nr of skills really need another similar ranking in nr of skill points? edit - should it be there average, secondary ranking by nr of skill points or? That should change when I change the sorting to overall rank instead of most sp as secondary sorting. Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival Naraka.	Posted - 2009.10.07 08:23:00 - [73] Love the site, the blueprint feature is something I haven't seen on one of these before. Also like the ship listing. Keep up the good work man! CEO \| Diary of a pod pilot
Mr Banker	Posted - 2009.10.07 14:29:00 - [74] Edited by: Mr Banker on 07/10/2009 14:31:01 Looks great! :) Bug report: if you select an option from "filter by skill level: all 0 1 2 3 4 5", and they have no results (eg, no skills at level 0), all the options to select another catagory go away - but if there are results, they don't :)
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.07 15:58:00 - [75] Originally by: Chribba That should change when I change the sorting to overall rank instead of most sp as secondary sorting. really? It's still a double count of the same "ranking" ... or close enough. I mean, I get ranked because I have lots of skills at lvl 1 which also means I am likely to be ranked high in skill points from lvl 1 skills (which I am too) The reason for those two "different" groups is of course the different ranks of skills, so it might be easy to have lots of level 5 skills but not many skill points from those skills while another player might have few level 5 skills but lots of skill points. Very understandable distinction. At lower levels this difference is ... not easily distinguishable though. ... anyway, just an observation. I'm perfectly fine with keeping it the way it is ... better for my ranking anyway :) .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.07 20:30:00 - [76] Your stats have jumped a bit Ravenal 9,728,000 in learning 186 million in lv5 skills 736 total skills 39.6 ap in perception The list goes on... You been Haxoring eveboard or something? Or bribing Chribba with lots of veldspar? á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.07 20:57:00 - [77] Originally by: Amateratsu Your stats have jumped a bit Ravenal 9,728,000 in learning 186 million in lv5 skills 736 total skills 39.6 ap in perception The list goes on... You been Haxoring eveboard or something? Or bribing Chribba with lots of veldspar? ? Temporary glitch or? Coz I see nothing of that (but I have made changes today that might have screwed up things until the db refreshes...) Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.07 21:09:00 - [78] Originally by: Amateratsu Your stats have jumped a bit Ravenal 9,728,000 in learning 186 million in lv5 skills 736 total skills 39.6 ap in perception The list goes on... You been Haxoring eveboard or something? Or bribing Chribba with lots of veldspar? eh what? ... i'd like those stats please yes :D ... but no, can't see how I can mess up the API like that?!? .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.07 21:16:00 - [79] lol must have been a tempory glitch, back to normal now:) Or theres a conspiricy going which has been hastilly covered up á
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.07 22:49:00 - [80] Edited by: Ravenal on 07/10/2009 22:51:06 Originally by: Amateratsu lol must have been a tempory glitch, back to normal now:) Or theres a conspiricy going which has been hastilly covered up just finally some credit to the jack of all trades skill training \o/ ... i'm just enjoying the sweet nr 1 life until chribba fixes the no data bug for not having any skills trained at x level. Expecting Tripoli to wipe the floor with the jack of all trades rankings when his no data categories clear up :) .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.08 08:23:00 - [81] I can't see Tripoly Threatening your position any time soon as his training has revolved around obtaining all skills ingame and thus his raking in most of the catagorys is quite low. It will more likely be someone new signing up to eveboard like IFly UWalk who appeared out of nowhere to knock me of my #3 spot. Its surprising how much dropping just a couple ranks can effect your global position. Still all good fun:) á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.08 09:49:00 - [82] For your pleasure the ship listing has now been changed. Originally by: Ravenal ... i'm just enjoying the sweet nr 1 life until chribba fixes the no data bug for not having any skills trained at x level. Expecting Tripoli to wipe the floor with the jack of all trades rankings when his no data categories clear up :) That's fixed? If you got an example sheet pls link it so I understand the problem correctly. Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.08 11:01:00 - [83] it's all very cool, now I just need to find a way to bump myself.. ;-P -- 3 Titans Lottery EveBoard \| http://tinyurl.com/cm9c2aCapita
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.08 15:57:00 - [84] there is a slight problem, I'm ranked 3rd in skills this should be =2 -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.08 17:11:00 - [85] Edited by: Ravenal on 08/10/2009 17:16:53 Originally by: Chribba That's fixed? If you got an example sheet pls link it so I understand the problem correctly. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Tripoli/ranks + Number of Level 1 skills Ranked - (no data) + Number of untrained skills Ranked - (no data) + Most SP by Lv1 skills Ranked - (no data) instead of Ranked X (0) edit... which when there are more than 1000 people signed up will be worse than the - (you said that no data categories were ranked as 1000 somewhere?) .

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.08 17:24:00 - [86] Edited by: Chribba on 08/10/2009 17:26:53 @RaTTuS, you're being listed correctly from what I can see, the "highest sp" sorting was replaced with rank. So you're now ranked by most skills, then lowest rank. The default is to add 1000 "points" to your score for a no-data entry. This doesn't affect the number of ppl (until I get more than 50,000 users as a default non-ranked pilot gets 50,000 in score when signing up - upon first "rank" view they will be ranked as everyone else). edit/now I get what you mean, yeah that will be mixed up once I hit 1,000 users. Will give that some thought on how to best solve it - since giving them 50,000 penalty points isn't really nice as you'd end up in the back of the field instantly if you have a single no-data category. Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

Larshe	Posted - 2009.10.08 19:57:00 - [87] How about ranking people based on the blueprint stuff? Would be sweet to see who can build/invent the most stuff...
Cuisinar Gallente The Circle	Posted - 2009.10.09 11:09:00 - [88] Chribba, awsome work men. I would like to suggest for those with multiple accounts, a login/pwrd much like in eve-files where we could manage all our chars/APIs ?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.09 11:15:00 - [89] Originally by: Cuisinar Chribba, awsome work men. I would like to suggest for those with multiple accounts, a login/pwrd much like in eve-files where we could manage all our chars/APIs ? Idea is on the paper already, but unsure if it will be implemented right now, since really the only time you would log on to your [eb] char is when updating the settings or deleting it - and that most likely won't happen to often. But either way, it's not forgotten nor denied, it's a matter of usefullness and implementatation trouble. Thanks Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.09 11:45:00 - [90] Edited by: RaTTuS on 09/10/2009 11:44:53 what about a combined setting.. for your alts [on the same account] umm edit after time not actually sure on how this could work and then I went and posted it -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital
Mistress Mayhem Caldari Solitude Empires Kahora Catori	Posted - 2009.10.09 19:06:00 - [91] No.1 in missile skills I rule \o/ MM
Florio Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.10.10 10:11:00 - [92] Really cool, thanks Chribba. xx
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.10 12:49:00 - [93] Originally by: Chribba The global rank is your average of all categories, so while someone may be #1 in a few categories he/she could be ranked very low globally (it's still in the works, currently if you fail to place yourself in a category you will receive a 1000 point "deduction" placing you way back, this is so no low-sp alts which have not trained would end up in the overall good places). Could you add the global "points" for display somewhere, so we can see how many we have in relation to others? Maybe place our overall global points into the personal "pilot ranks" section, and/or into the full listings page on the board of fame.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.10 21:09:00 - [94] Bug Report:- There appears to be a mismatch between the global rank "total skillpoints" and pilot ranks for same catagory. eg if i look at the fulllist for total skillpoints im shown at position 72, but in my sheet/pilot ranks it shows me at position 79. The bug appears to effect all chars listed starting at position 11 and the diffeence between the 2 ranks increases by 1 pt every 10 positions. eg char at position 11 is shown at position 12 in his sheet, char at position 20 is shown at 22 in his sheet and so on. otherwise all good á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.11 11:22:00 - [95] Originally by: Amateratsu Bug Report:- Will look into that, it could be a bug depending on what you allow to display or not (and/or a sorting issue). Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.12 08:36:00 - [96] \o/ I just have to purchase the 4 BIG ones now ... -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital
Zilnam Haa Gallente Brood of Redemption	Posted - 2009.10.12 20:18:00 - [97] Nice work m8! Thanks for the service & your time to do it
Caiman Graystock Caldari Comrades in Construction	Posted - 2009.10.13 08:27:00 - [98] Edited by: Caiman Graystock on 13/10/2009 08:27:26 This is a superb effort, thanks very much. Nice to see something working nice and nippy from the get go, with plenty of features to boot. A shame we can't spy on your sheet tho, Chribba. Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking... Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Viscount Hood V I R I I Cult of War	Posted - 2009.10.13 10:42:00 - [99] Very nice site. Much better than the competitors especially because of the rankings page. Wow I made it to the top 10 in missiles, though not for long I suspect as this site becomes more known.
dosperado Denial of Service	Posted - 2009.10.13 19:15:00 - [100] Edited by: dosperado on 13/10/2009 19:26:18 You can add another more or less important information to every pilots charcater sheet, namely security status. Just take the unmodified concord standing and display it as security status below the clone information. And add rankings for "good" and "bad" pilots, maybe a useful addition. You can also calculate faction/corp/agent standings with the given character skills (connections/diplomacy) in addition to the effective standings which are shown at the moment. Just like the standing tab ingame. And add 2 digits to full numbers.. eg 9.00 instead of 9..and use a "." for separators instead of ",". Looks more EVE-compliant then. ____________________ Security Status 9.0
testirania	Posted - 2009.10.14 09:01:00 - [101] One feature from your site that I wouldnt mind seeing being implemented in Evemon is the skillque, funny that they havent thought of that and added it to one of the most prominent 3rd party softwares yet
dosperado Denial of Service	Posted - 2009.10.14 14:23:00 - [102] Edited by: dosperado on 14/10/2009 14:23:39 Ahh you added 2 digits to integer number in the standings tab, great!...can you also add two digits to integer numbers within the shown security status in the character tab? e.g. 5,00 instead of 5? thx! Only the rankings for worst and best security status is missing...I think that would fit best into "misc ranks" if you are going to implement that. Keep the good work on! ____________________ Security Status 9.0
RedLion Caldari State Constructions	Posted - 2009.10.14 17:24:00 - [103] Edited by: RedLion on 14/10/2009 17:26:12 I would love more privacy around the actual skill distribution and attribute distribution. That would mean that it would be easier to not be "anonymous". And if it doen't do too many requests to the database, it would be cool if you could get more rank info on the profile page. Such as (Total skill rank 100 of 600) and under gunnery (Rank 20 of 600) etc. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.14 21:10:00 - [104] Edited by: Chribba on 14/10/2009 21:10:45 Originally by: dosperado Edited by: dosperado on 14/10/2009 14:23:39 Ahh you added 2 digits to integer number in the standings tab, great!...can you also add two digits to integer numbers within the shown security status in the character tab? e.g. 5,00 instead of 5? thx! Only the rankings for worst and best security status is missing...I think that would fit best into "misc ranks" if you are going to implement that. Keep the good work on! Sec-rating will be added soon yep. Also revamping the whole ranks stuff so it gets much faster. Originally by: RedLion Edited by: RedLion on 14/10/2009 17:30:28 I would love more privacy around the actual skill distribution and attribute distribution. That would mean that it would be easier to not be "anonymous". (And ofc certificates, ships, standings and blueprints also) Explain more please, not sure I understand what you mean. Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.10.14 21:54:00 - [105] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: RedLion I would love more privacy around the actual skill distribution and attribute distribution. That would mean that it would be easier to not be "anonymous". (And ofc certificates, ships, standings and blueprints also) Explain more please, not sure I understand what you mean. I think he means, show amount in that skill area but not the actual skill set. Rather like in-eve used to allow. So all you will see is.. DRONES a total of 4,854,705 skillpoints. ELECTRONICS a total of 5,813,300 skillpoints. ENGINEERING a total of 7,250,200 skillpoints. etc
RedLion Caldari State Constructions	Posted - 2009.10.14 22:07:00 - [106] Originally by: Mag's Originally by: Chribba Originally by: RedLion I would love more privacy around the actual skill distribution and attribute distribution. That would mean that it would be easier to not be "anonymous". (And ofc certificates, ships, standings and blueprints also) Explain more please, not sure I understand what you mean. I think he means, show amount in that skill area but not the actual skill set. Rather like in-eve used to allow. So all you will see is.. DRONES a total of 4,854,705 skillpoints. ELECTRONICS a total of 5,813,300 skillpoints. ENGINEERING a total of 7,250,200 skillpoints. etc Yes, I would like to keep my skills, (thus also certificates, ships, and blueprints) a secret, but I don't mind showing my total skill points. Perhaps like that guy said, even category wise. I would think it would be most interesting to get as little Anonymous people as possible. Also, couldn't find Chribba! :P - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Caiman Graystock Caldari Comrades in Construction	Posted - 2009.10.14 22:55:00 - [107] Edited by: Caiman Graystock on 14/10/2009 22:55:06 Chances of being able to click corp names on here and have it list all non-anonymous members of that corp? In SP order perhaps? http://eveboard.com/fullranks/44-corporation-most-sp Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking... Boo hoo. Cry some more.
RedLion Caldari State Constructions	Posted - 2009.10.15 00:43:00 - [108] or go to 1man corps like mine and find exact for that person :P - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.15 14:48:00 - [109] I get the following error when looking at standings/agents in my sheet Toiniainen Omu Lv1 Q State War Academy 10.00 ( Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a005e' Invalid use of Null: 'Replace' /includes.asp, line 830 And how the hell does one get a security status of 9.00? I thought +5.00 was as high as it goes. Are the security status ranks mutually exclusive or does it record your highest ever and your lowest ever? á
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.15 16:01:00 - [110] Edited by: Viggen on 15/10/2009 16:06:24 Thanks for adding the points to the board of fame list. Now I can see what I need to get to move up through the ranks :) One question though.. What is the formula for the points? No matter how many different ways I work it out I always come up with different points values. Edit: Security status goes up to 5 from running missions etc, but any higher you need to kill officer/commander spawn npcs in 0.0 space. (I think thats how it works anyway).
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.15 16:26:00 - [111] Originally by: Viggen Security status goes up to 5 from running missions etc, but any higher you need to kill officer/commander spawn npcs in 0.0 space. (I think thats how it works anyway). Interesting, since i've spent my fair share of time living in 0.0 and killed manny faction spawns, so should my sec status not be higher than 5.00? altho i've never encounterd any officer spawns I have to say i'm not liking these mutually exclusive/opposing ranks as getting to the top of 1 means being placed at or near the bottom of the other. Thats not so bad at the moment, but when the #n of players registered on eb reaches into the 1000s or even 10,000s, thats gonna be a whopping heavy anchor dragging down your global average. á
Caiman Graystock Caldari Comrades in Construction	Posted - 2009.10.15 16:29:00 - [112] Indeed^ Do they cancel each other out in terms of ranking, the 'highest sec status/lowest sec status' positioning? Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking... Boo hoo. Cry some more.
dosperado Denial of Service	Posted - 2009.10.15 16:42:00 - [113] Edited by: dosperado on 15/10/2009 16:44:05 To keep the security status rankings clean and logical: Highest Security Status rankings should go from +0.01 to +10.00 Lowest Security Status rankings should go from -0.01 to -10.00 Characters with 0.00 Security Status shouldn't be listed at all, this will keep the list much shorter and clearer. ____________________ Security Status 9.0

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.15 16:53:00 - [114] @Amateratsu - bug fixed. As for SS, I know that in the old days you could go 5+, nowdays - I dunno really. And I will see what I can do about limiting the +/- side of it, question is, do a 0.00 ranked pilot even get listed, if so on the + or - side of it all? Problem I can see of that, is that someone with 0.01 in status would get ranked in +, howeever he/she would receive a "no data"-hit for not being listed on the - side (since "no data" ranks gets punished, altho in this case everyone would get punished in either category, unless 0.00 depending how I treat that value). Points are calculated with (Rank value in each category/number of ranks) [at writing X/47], if a pilot is NOT listed (no data) in a category he/she is punished with a value equal the number of active pilots in the db (eg 786 active pilots, the value will be 786 ensuring that a pilot will never get a lower score than the number of pilots [eb] tracks). So really the "points" is highly dynamic and really doesn't say much, hence why I left it out before - keep or go? Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.15 19:07:00 - [115] Originally by: Chribba So really the "points" is highly dynamic and really doesn't say much, hence why I left it out before - keep or go? Thanks for explaining. I say keep the points displayed, they add another visual aid to the rankings. Even though the points can change fast, I like the additional numbers and statistics. But we'll see what others think about it. If its a keeper then maybe add the formula to the page so people can understand how they are ranked where they are?
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.16 10:50:00 - [116] I got #2 -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.16 11:47:00 - [117] Originally by: RaTTuS I got #2 I wondered how that happened... I updated the rankings and you got there... odd haha Ranks are cached for 10 min now, so if the ranks don't update instantly, wait 10 min and check again. Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.16 14:37:00 - [118] Originally by: RaTTuS I got #2 Yeah I went from being ranked around 25 ish up to rank 13 in a day. Not sure how as my stats havent changed, not that I'm complaining mind you
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.16 14:39:00 - [119] what would be awesome , if you could select 2 pilots and then see where the differences are ... sort of side by side comparison -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.16 14:59:00 - [120] Originally by: RaTTuS what would be awesome , if you could select 2 pilots and then see where the differences are ... sort of side by side comparison Already on the todo list. Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.16 15:20:00 - [121] Edited by: Amateratsu on 16/10/2009 15:21:08 Originally by: Viggen Yeah I went from being ranked around 25 ish up to rank 13 in a day. Not sure how as my stats havent changed, not that I'm complaining mind you If i'm not mistaken, it was due to a change in the penalty for a no data rank being reduced from a flat 1000pts to the #n active pilots in the db resulting in a boost for some and a nerf for others. I went from #15 back upto #6 while the #2 and #3 entries changed twice in the space of a few minutes Plus Chribs fixed a sorting error in some of the ranks which may also have boosted some pilots á
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.16 18:41:00 - [122] Amateratsu, thanks for explaining, thought it might have been that but wasnt sure. RaTTuS, love the comparison idea, I know I'll be comparing myself to you as we seem so close to our goals, and of course we'll both be keeping a close eye on Trip
Caiman Graystock Caldari Comrades in Construction	Posted - 2009.10.17 15:35:00 - [123] Seems to be a little bug. I just jumped out of my +5 clone into a clone that has just two +4 implants, the character sheet shows those implants correctly but still displays the rest of my +5s from my other clone. Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking... Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.17 16:07:00 - [124] Excellent work. Loving the tooltip/popup on the "ships I cannot fly" icons. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers	Posted - 2009.10.17 21:07:00 - [125] I'm not sure I understand the global ranking thing. I'm ranked 1st in 4 categories, 2nd in 3 categories and 3rd in 1 category and I'm in the top 10 in 5 more categories, but because I have no skills at lvl 0, lvl 1, lvl 2 or lvl 3, I get ranked below 1000 in those categories, putting me in 282nd place globally, but Ravenal who only comes 1st in 2 categories, 2nd in 2 and 3rd in 2 and is in the top 10 in 8 more goes into 1st place on the global rankings because he has lvl 0, lvl 1, lvl 2 and lvl 3 skills? Drahcir
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2009.10.17 21:28:00 - [126] I have to say I think I agree with Drahcir. I think we should reconsider how this is calculated. I'd suggest having it only average out the rankings that are top positions: Skillpoints Number of Skills Number of Level 5 Skills Most SP in Corporation Managament, Dones, Electronics, etc. Number of Elite Certificates --- All 390 skills trained. Tripoli on EveBoard.com Tripoli on EVE-Sheet.com
Kyreax Neuronix	Posted - 2009.10.18 03:26:00 - [127] Awesome! Thanks for the hard work. Can we get a "best blonde hair" category? I might place in the top 45. --------------------------------------------------- It's a Templar, an Amarr Fighter used by Carriers.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.18 05:06:00 - [128] Edited by: Amateratsu on 18/10/2009 05:14:52 Originally by: Tripoli I have to say I think I agree with Drahcir. I think we should reconsider how this is calculated. I'd suggest having it only average out the rankings that are top positions. The way the average score is calculated currently, take your rank in each catagory, add them together and then devide by the #n catagorys. If you have 1 or more no data scores it uses the #n of pilots in the eb database as the score for those catagorys. Doing it this way means that ALL pilots have a chance to achive a top ranking position. If we change it to the way you suggest the ranks will end up being dominated by high sp veteran players that noone else can catch, let alone pass as long as they continue to play. if you want a better global ranking, you need to put your training into the catagorys where you have a low score like Ravenal and others have done I believe this is the fairest method for all pilots. Edit: the penalty for a no data score is to prevent pilots who have a large #n of no data catagorys from getting a high average ranking... You would not want a brand new player who has not put in any training reaching the top 10 or better would you? á
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers	Posted - 2009.10.18 07:27:00 - [129] Originally by: Amateratsu Edited by: Amateratsu on 18/10/2009 05:14:52 Originally by: Tripoli I have to say I think I agree with Drahcir. I think we should reconsider how this is calculated. I'd suggest having it only average out the rankings that are top positions. The way the average score is calculated currently, take your rank in each catagory, add them together and then devide by the #n catagorys. If you have 1 or more no data scores it uses the #n of pilots in the eb database as the score for those catagorys. Doing it this way means that ALL pilots have a chance to achive a top ranking position. If we change it to the way you suggest the ranks will end up being dominated by high sp veteran players that noone else can catch, let alone pass as long as they continue to play. if you want a better global ranking, you need to put your training into the catagorys where you have a low score like Ravenal and others have done I believe this is the fairest method for all pilots. Edit: the penalty for a no data score is to prevent pilots who have a large #n of no data catagorys from getting a high average ranking... You would not want a brand new player who has not put in any training reaching the top 10 or better would you? The other problem with the global ranking is it doesn't take into account people being equal in the individual rankings. Take Highest Total Attributes for example, both Ravenal and I have a figure of 125.4 but Ravenal is 1st in that ranking and I am 32nd, we should both get a 1 there but he happened to sign up on the website before me. The same with Most SP In Subsystems, Tripoli is 1st and I am 2nd purely on the basis Trip signed up to the website before me. Yesterday I was 32nd on the Highest Total Attributes list, today I looked again and despite nothing changing, I am now 14th, and somehow my global ranking has suddenly gone from 265th to 35th in 10 hours despite none of my figures changing, so there is definitely something broken about it. Drahcir
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.18 08:30:00 - [130] Where 2 or more pilots have an equal score in 1 or more rankings, the ranking is sorted by global rank. Tripoly and Ravenal rank higher than you there because they have a higher global position, however that does not mean you cannot pass them and take the #1 spot. The global ranking is not just effected by what you are training but by all players registered on eb. For example if another player signs up to eb who has higher sp in say trade than you do then he will push you down 1 ranking position, which then reduces your global score by 1 point. It takes a while for eb to calculate your rank against all other pilots new and old in the eb db which is why you've gradually moved up to #35 place. Now you have to focus your training in the areas where you rank low to improve your score and move further up the ranks. Ravenal and other high ranking players are not locked in their positions because they signed up earlier. they can be beaten and knocked down by any player, including yourself á
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.18 12:15:00 - [131] Regarding the global rankings, heres something I found interesting. Currently I'm ranked 17th, but if I was given every skill in the game, and had them all at lvl 5 my global ranking would put me at 101st place. Think I'll just stop training now and stay where I am :P
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.10.18 12:37:00 - [132] Great site Chribba, Nice to be able to get in the top ten of at least one or 2 categories! How about a section for standing ranks. IE. Highest number of total standing points positive and negative, highest/lowest standings to 10 corps/factions. Highest number of 10.00 and -10.00 standings.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.18 13:33:00 - [133] Edited by: Chribba on 18/10/2009 13:34:19 Originally by: Caiman Graystock Seems to be a little bug. I just jumped out of my +5 clone into a clone that has just two +4 implants, the character sheet shows those implants correctly but still displays the rest of my +5s from my other clone. I'll look into that and wipe the implant info before update (I think that would be the problem). Originally by: Viggen Regarding the global rankings, heres something I found interesting. Currently I'm ranked 17th, but if I was given every skill in the game, and had them all at lvl 5 my global ranking would put me at 101st place. Think I'll just stop training now and stay where I am :P Better plan to not get every skill to 5 then Anyway, I'm all open for suggestions about the global ranking, I'm pretty sure there are better ways or more fair ways of rank a character, my aim though is to have a ranking that rewards a pilot for being overall (duh) good, rather than "omg you got 200M SP you're #1!!!" Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2009.10.18 14:08:00 - [134] Edited by: Dr Caymus on 18/10/2009 14:16:14 The global ranking is a great idea. It does a good overall job of ranking characters on a broad range of achievements. However, the current calculation has redundancies (i.e. total Level n skills and total Level n skillpoints are both included), rewards under-acheivement (i.e. Level 2, 1 and 0 skills and points are given weight) and includes statistics that are interesting to see but of debatable relevance to a character's achievements. I like Tripoli's idea for a streamlined calculation, with a couple of modifications to make the system more competitive for "younger" characters: Total skillpoints Number of skills Number of Level 3 or higher skills (one statistic) Most SP in Corporation Managament, Drones, Electronics, etc. Total certificates The revised calculation would also be useful in running a second "tie breaker" sort. -=ATI=-
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.18 14:29:00 - [135] Edited by: Amateratsu on 18/10/2009 14:29:30 I believe the current method of calclulating rank is as fair as you can get as it allows all players to work for a better rank and all players can be passed regardless of their sp or age. Unlike what we had with InEve where once you reached the top you were un-passable I can see where Drahcir is right in 1 respect in that he is getting penalised for not having any skills trained in levels 0 - 3 which as viggen pointed out would end up giving you a low rank if you had every skill trained to level 5. Same with opposing ranks like high skillqueue vs longest skill/security status, getting a high score in 1 means you get penalised in the other. So perhaps whats needed is a better way of dealing with "no data" ranks that keeps new untrained characters from jumping straight in at the top while not penalising older players who have trained past those levels. Will see if i can think of any better suggestions á
Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2009.10.18 14:31:00 - [136] Here's another idea... and I'm thinking out loud here without having had much coffee yet this morning... Is the date of birth in the API key? What about adding a couple more heads to Mount Rushmore that are geared specifically to new and younger characters: Spot 5: Top "Up and Coming" characters = global ranking calculation applied to characters one year old or younger (include Level 2 skills in this calculation). Spot 4: Top "Most Improved" characters = global ranking calculation applied to characters three years old or younger. -=ATI=-
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.19 02:52:00 - [137] Originally by: Drahcir Nasom ... but he happened to sign up on the website before me. Thats not it, secondary ordering is by global rank. Used to be skillpoints... but global rank is fairest for all. What to do with empty categories... it's tricky as the all skills at lvl5 example proves. The only thing I can think of is another category where you get ranked higher the fewer sps you have to train the skills you have to lvl5. Honestly if you are going to have those nr of lvl1 skills etc... there is no better way to handle it than currently. .
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.10.19 05:00:00 - [138] I was ranked 34, but moved to 29 after placing an injected skill and a lvl 1 skill in blank categories.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.19 07:38:00 - [139] Ok i have a suggesting for fixing the "no data" catagorys. Rather than using the #n of pilots in the db i was thinking changing it to your actual global ranking position. IE if you are ranked #35 each no data catagory gets a default value of 35. This would still keep low ranking/untrained pilots with multiple no data catagorys from jumping straight in at the top of the rankings while reducing the penalty for more advanced pilots who have trained past those levels or choose to hide 1 or more of their stats. I thought of using global average score but that changes too rapidly whereas position is a more stable value that requires effort to improve. I would also suggest excluding the "Skillqueue/Longest Skill/Security Status" Ranks from the global scoring as those catagorys are mutually exclusive and you can't improve 1 without penalising the other. What do you guys think? good... bad... idea á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.19 09:45:00 - [140] Edited by: Chribba on 19/10/2009 09:50:57 I'm happy to see the ideas being suggested, and I'm sure we will find a good outcome. The use of your global rank is a good option but also would throw in a problem or two in the calculations (especially since the global rank value is "older" than the actual stats - since the global rank is based upon all the other values). atm ranks/stats are generated every 10 minutes, so things can shift around a bit in those minutes as well, eg pilot 1 gets his stats calculated and stored in the await for global stats to run, and he then has position 10, pilot 2 gets his stats updated and takes the 10 spot, thus pilot 1 would get 11 but all stats calculated would use his spot 10 position etc. Ofc overtime it would be fairly steady ranking, but "real-time" (which won't be real-time due to the resources needed) would be a bit more jumpy. edit As a test I have now changed that the penalty for "no data" is your previous global rank score (unsure if that will turn out good or not, I have a feeling that some pilots will get smacked for having the previous 1000 point penalties). Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.19 10:45:00 - [141] I like Amateratsu's idea of using the globel rank to fill in the no data parts, and understand the problems that Chribba pointed out in doing this. But using the previous global rank instead as a test is a good way around it... Chribba, I approve.
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.19 11:13:00 - [142] I'd like to be always above Viggen in the global lists, down to #9 now... grrr ... level 1 skills should count for less than level 2 etc -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.19 11:45:00 - [143] Originally by: RaTTuS I'd like to be always above Viggen in the global lists, down to #9 now... grrr You'd be placed a lot higher if you got the titan skills. Why dont you have them yet, are you a bit strapped for isk atm? I know I am, but I dont have the pre-reqs fully trained for them yet anyhow
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.19 11:52:00 - [144] Originally by: Viggen You'd be placed a lot higher if you got the titan skills. Why dont you have them yet, are you a bit strapped for isk atm? I know I am, but I dont have the pre-reqs fully trained for them yet anyhow well it's 20Bil that could be better used for Dominion ... though ummm it's only isk.... -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.19 12:09:00 - [145] Also added the defailt value of a newly added character to 500 points, thus they will be ranked somewhere in the middle, and their rank will change over time instead of them getting 50000 points and thus have to wait 2-3 weeks for the average to go down (since the default added value now is the previous global rank). As for redundant categories, I think as spoken before the negative/positive is will stay but only ranked in one of the categories. Skillqueue, I dunno someone wanting to place high there also has to work on it and plan the right skills - and can only do so until they run out of short skills to train where as someone else can do the same. Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:46:00 - [146] hmm... does global rank actually work for the "no data" categories? well, sure but only if you can't close access to a particular category (like implants) and just get your global ranking for the attributes. ... which I tested and found out that I could do to increase my global rank (reset after test) = being able to hide stuff to increase your rank == bad bad :( .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.19 19:21:00 - [147] Originally by: Ravenal = being able to hide stuff to increase your rank == bad bad :( Thats the 1 drawback that occured to me when i was thinking more about it at work.... Its a tricky point in that we don't want to penalise players who choose to hide certain stats, then again we don't want them hiding their stats just to boost their rank... Maybe give hidden ranks a penalty of say 300 - 500 pts? not as large as the previous penalty of 1000pts/#n pilots in db, but enougth to deter abuse? Otherwise it looks good, dispite getting myself smacked down from #7 to #35 But then i knew that would happen as i had 0 "no data" catagory's and the battle is not over yet, i will climb back up and have my revenge á
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.19 21:30:00 - [148] expecting drachir support now that someone has picked up on the hidden "bug" to beef her way up to 1st rank ;) .
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.19 21:44:00 - [149] Right, this is the deal. You'd want someone who has all skills at lvl5 to be ranked nr 1 right? This means that he's ranked lowest in nr of skills for lvl0, 1, 2, 3 and 4 skills AS well as skillpoints for lvl0, 1, 2, 3 and 4 skills. This brings up my previous comments about this "double counting" of nr/skillpoints for each level of skill. As far as I understand these categories are to give "new" players some chance at ranking ... at all in which case those categories need to be counted properly or not at all, otherwise the global rank just becomes a play with the mechanics of the count. ... addition suggestion: link to "full list" from characters profile > pilot ranks .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.19 22:13:00 - [150] I don't think we will ever see any players getting ALL skills to level 5 (it will take at least another 10+ years to reach that point). Assuming Eve is still alive and kicking 10 years from now there will probably be several 100 more skills added to the game by then, so that is not the issue. The issue is as Drahcir pointed out, that he was being penalised for not have any skills in those levels. So either we need to remove those ranks from the board or find a way to compormise which is fair for everyone. If we close the loophole that allows players to boost their rank by hiding their stats then we will have that compormise. Sooner or later we are all gonna have to train our skills up to higher levels, and i don't think we should be penalised for doing so... á
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.19 22:51:00 - [151] Originally by: Amateratsu Sooner or later we are all gonna have to train our skills up to higher levels, and i don't think we should be penalised for doing so... no, I am a skillho. I like having for example doomsday operation but i havent the slightest interest in getting it to lvl1. imo I think non lvl5 skill categories should not be categories at all... but if they are gonna stay there then there is only one correct way to count them... otherwise you are cheating players that do want those skills there for a reason. If those categories stay, and you want go get a high global rank ... then I guess you have a reason to train skills in those categories to get a better rank. .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.19 23:09:00 - [152] Your currently on 382 out 390 skills, your going to reach a point where you have no other skills availlable other than the level 0 - 3's. You gonna stop training at that point and wait for more skills to be added to the game? or train up those lower level skills? On another note, a link to the full catagory list from your pilot ranks would be very usefull á
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.19 23:15:00 - [153] Bug Report: Drahcir Nasom - 11 Learning skills trained, for a total of 5,376,023 skillpoints. <- Not possible.
Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2009.10.19 23:39:00 - [154] Edited by: Dr Caymus on 19/10/2009 23:44:12 Originally by: Viggen Bug Report: Drahcir Nasom - 11 Learning skills trained, for a total of 5,376,023 skillpoints. <- Not possible. Possible, and actually common among 10^8 players. There was a bug early on that, if you tilted your computer just right, kept skills tallying after level 5 completed. For example, I have a pretty big overrun in a certain, um, {don't tell Qual} science skill... -=ATI=-
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.20 01:10:00 - [155] Originally by: Amateratsu Your currently on 382 out 390 skills, your going to reach a point where you have no other skills availlable other than the level 0 - 3's. You gonna stop training at that point and wait for more skills to be added to the game? or train up those lower level skills? On another note, a link to the full catagory list from your pilot ranks would be very usefull I'll continue training of course. I'm not leaving those lvl 0 - 3s because of some oog epeen site, I'm not training them atm because they don't fit my plan. .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.20 08:53:00 - [156] It appears we have a rogue Character that has slipped through the net and risen to the #1 spot of the global ranking dispite being only 4 months old. This should not have happened as a character that young should be ranked near bottom and be recieving a much larger value in the characters "no data" catagory's. I believe a dynamic value that decreases as you progress up the ranks is the way to go, but perhaps using rank position is the wrong attribute to use as it is a self boosting value in that as you move up the ranks the value decreases boosting you further up the ranks, decreasing the value fruther and so on.... Thats possibly how this 4 month char has risen to the top. curious that the char is anonymous too. I'll leave it up to Chribba to decide if he wants to end the test and revert back to the previous value for "no data" ranks. Will try to redeem myself and think of a better way. á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.20 09:36:00 - [157] Actually hiding your info shouldn't matter or not, the problem however is that the global rank is computed at the time when you refresh your own ranks, thus making the sheet private - only you can recalculate the ranks. There however is a bug with new characters as you saw, it ended up at #1 since its ranks where never calculated, once I refreshed it down the ranks went. I'm still trying to locate the source of that error. Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.20 09:49:00 - [158] Edited by: Amateratsu on 20/10/2009 09:50:32 Originally by: Chribba Actually hiding your info shouldn't matter or not, the problem however is that the global rank is computed at the time when you refresh your own ranks, thus making the sheet private - only you can recalculate the ranks. There however is a bug with new characters as you saw, it ended up at #1 since its ranks where never calculated, once I refreshed it down the ranks went. I'm still trying to locate the source of that error. Kewl, i did wonder as even with the self boosting effect the char should not have risen straight to #1. So hopefully its just a matter of ironing out the bugs and we'll have a working system á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.20 10:06:00 - [159] I'm trying to see if it will be possible to have the global rank generated out of the cached ranks rather than counting it upon a rank refresh. That way it should become more accurate, and also display live rankings rather than 10 minute old. Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK

RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.20 13:41:00 - [160] The average SP / member in the corps section is a bit meh! -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.20 16:39:00 - [161] Originally by: Chribba Also what could be made from the standings, is to calculate a value based on the actual standing as well Eg having higher dosperado would get calculated like (Rank10)/9.00, thus his points added for that category would be like 110/9 => 1.11 points, as per some other random guy who has maybe like 2.12 standing (358*10)/2.12 (if his rank was 358) = 1688.68 points would be added to his score. Or anything in those lines? If I understand you correctly this would widen the gap between players in favor of higher ranked chars? ... Standings rank should just use faction standings and normal ordering, 0.0 standings if none exist for that faction just as no data should be 0. In the case of lvl 0, 1, 2, 3 and 4 skills having no data... a "penalty" is fairer than ranking at bottom. IMO it should be a good thing to have no skills at those levels with reduced "chances" of that being the case for higer lvl skills. Also you cant hide that so no one is cheating there. So... I suggest that having "no data" for lvl 0 skills = 10 point penalty, lvl1 = 50 point penalty, lvl2 = 100, lvl3 = 500 and lvl4 = 1000... or dynamically placing the player lower. like assume no data for lvl 0 = 10% from top, lvl1 = 20% from top... etc. This means it's a "good" thing to have no data for low level skills, but not the "best" thing. Penalizing the other categories (the ones that can be hidden and whole skill categories, like subsystems) by 1000 is fine. .
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.20 16:54:00 - [162] Originally by: RaTTuS The average SP / member in the corps section is a bit meh! Yeh, is there no way to get how many people are in the corp total? .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:00:00 - [163] Originally by: Chribba As for the +/- on standings, I could throw in a penalty on either side as that might give a better overall value than using the current ranks (since there tend to be more + than - for example (but I think this change would be very nominal either way). Also what could be made from the standings, is to calculate a value based on the actual standing as well Eg having higher dosperado would get calculated like (Rank10)/9.00, thus his points added for that category would be like 110/9 => 1.11 points, as per some other random guy who has maybe like 2.12 standing (358*10)/2.12 (if his rank was 358) = 1688.68 points would be added to his score. Or anything in those lines? Are you refering to the security status ranks here? If so i'm not sure i understand what you are trying to achieve here? Some clarification would be nice (sorry been a long day at work and i'm tired) á
Lukka	Posted - 2009.10.20 22:34:00 - [164] tbh, the highest attributes categories are pretty irrelevant post-apocrypha. Ranking based on them is even worse since there are doubtlessly thousands of people in eve that have the exact same 33/26 for int/mem or perc/will, and should all be ranked #1. Having a category with a thousand #1s is pretty lolworthy and having someone ranked #999 and having the same stats as #1 is just frustrating. Either way, it's pointless. It would have been interesting pre-apocrypha, but the concept is obsolete now.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.21 08:06:00 - [165] Edited by: Amateratsu on 21/10/2009 08:06:58 Originally by: Lukka Stuff about Attribute ranks. You can hide your attributes if you feel those ranks are not worth anything Originally by: Ravenal In the case of lvl 0, 1, 2, 3 and 4 skills having no data... a "penalty" is fairer than ranking at bottom. IMO it should be a good thing to have no skills at those levels with reduced "chances" of that being the case for higer lvl skills. Also you cant hide that so no one is cheating there. So... I suggest that having "no data" for lvl 0 skills = 10 point penalty, lvl1 = 50 point penalty, lvl2 = 100, lvl3 = 500 and lvl4 = 1000.. I like this idear of a reduced fixed penalty for "no data" in the "by level" ranks, It is a good compormise and will probably be easier to implement. And Congratulations on passing 1000 pilots registered on eveboard á
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.21 08:25:00 - [166] Originally by: Lukka tbh, the highest attributes categories are pretty irrelevant post-apocrypha. Ranking based on them is even worse ... I actually think that the global ranking should not be based on these as 1) we all start with 39 2) the additions are already counted in the learning category 3) so this means they are scored on the implant's -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.21 11:12:00 - [167] Are the skills isk value ranks displaying correctly? Example:- I have the exact same skills as Tripoli except I dont have the titan skills. Now the 4 titan skills I dont have cost 19.8bil, but if you add that to my skills value I only go up to 26,603,719,500. But Trips is showing 28,803,719,500. Over 2 Bil isk difference
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers	Posted - 2009.10.21 19:44:00 - [168] Originally by: Viggen Bug Report: Drahcir Nasom - 11 Learning skills trained, for a total of 5,376,023 skillpoints. <- Not possible. Actually I have 2 groups that could happen in because I have 256023 points in Learning skill and 512017 points in Hull Upgrades. I think it comes from the time where you got points not only from your training but also from actions you did in game, so if you flew a Dominix for example you got a few points in Gallente BS. I know it's sad, but I started recording my SP in each skill at any DT I'm logged on into a spreadsheet back on 5th July 2003, so I have a record of the SP I "earned" by doing things. I'm not sure where the extra 23 SP in Learning came from, according to the spreadsheet I already had that when I started recording, but the extra 17 SP in Hull Upgrades seems to come from a time when I was flying round collecting up a huge load of stuff that had been bought cheap on the markets in almost every system in the 7 central regions, and I was constantly swapping Overdrives, Expanders and Nanofibers on my Mammoth. I never actually trained Hull Upgrades, I got it to lvl 5 purely by doing things, and once I worked out how it worked, I "earned" the last 315K SP for it in 9 days (66,500 SP in one day and 64,288 on another) while simultaneously training other skills. That was the reason CCP stopped the earning system on 17/12/03, people had learned how to abuse it. Drahcir
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:39:00 - [169] Originally by: Viggen Are the skills isk value ranks displaying correctly? Example:- I have the exact same skills as Tripoli except I dont have the titan skills. Now the 4 titan skills I dont have cost 19.8bil, but if you add that to my skills value I only go up to 26,603,719,500. But Trips is showing 28,803,719,500. Over 2 Bil isk difference I believe the eb db has the Titan skills priced at 5,500,000,000 rather than 4,950,000,000 which they actually cost ingame. EveMon has them at 5.5b as well, dunno why. á
Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:59:00 - [170] Edited by: Estel Arador on 21/10/2009 20:59:33 Originally by: Amateratsu I believe the eb db has the Titan skills priced at 5,500,000,000 rather than 4,950,000,000 which they actually cost ingame. EveMon has them at 5.5b as well, dunno why. The site (and EveMon) probably use the base value of the skill books. The NPC price of all stuff sold by NPCs varies with demand, things which are in low demand will drop in price up to 10% below their base value. Almost all skills are actually sold at that bottom price 10% below their base value. Note that the prices reset to base value with patches/expansions. If you're aiming to buy the Titan skill books, you should do so before a patch or some time after a patch, but never shortly after a patch. EACS now closed: Thread
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.21 22:50:00 - [171] Ahh thanks guys for clearing that up.. thats another thing I love about this game, no matter how long I've been playing I still learn new things :) Drahcir, thats interesting about the earning skillpoints back in the day, I never knew that happened. I started 21/11/03, just before that ability was taken away then, damn, I always curse myself for not starting the game back in May 03 .
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2009.10.22 00:03:00 - [172] In actuality, I spent a pretty penny buyng up some of the rare skills which I'm betting have a very low base price. Even with the Titan skills showing as overpriced, I'm sure I've actually spent over 30 billion on skills. Oh, and the Titan skill books used to be 4.5 billion at one point, then went up to 4.95 billion...shortly before I bought them. --- All 390 skills trained. Tripoli on EveBoard.com Tripoli on EVE-Sheet.com
RaVeN Revenge	Posted - 2009.10.22 08:07:00 - [173] My alt is in some top 10's . Can you stop registrations now please Seriously though , Awsome site . Not just good , but awsome . nice work , and thanks
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.22 08:10:00 - [174] Originally by: Tripoli In actuality, I spent a pretty penny buyng up some of the rare skills which I'm betting have a very low base price. Even with the Titan skills showing as overpriced, I'm sure I've actually spent over 30 billion on skills. Oh, and the Titan skill books used to be 4.5 billion at one point, then went up to 4.95 billion...shortly before I bought them. Not just the rare (removed) skillbooks either, i'm betting all the non-npc sold books have a baseprice far far lower than what the players sell them for. á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.22 09:08:00 - [175] on the global rank... lol So now I changed it to only calculate overall rank based upon; Skillpoints, Number of skills, Number of Lv5, 4 and 3 skills, all individual skill category (mechanic, industry etc), number of certificates, number of elite certificates, ISK and skill value. Comments? What I fear with this is that only top SP chars land in most categories. Also unranked get a 1000 point penalty atm.

Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2009.10.22 09:09:00 - [176] I bought many of the [agent-division] connections skills when they still were loot drops instead of NPC seeded. The loot dropped skills were sold for like 80M-100M. Then CCP seeded them for 10M a piece... EACS now closed: Thread
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.22 09:41:00 - [177] Originally by: Chribba on the global rank... lol So now I changed it to only calculate overall rank based upon; Skillpoints, Number of skills, Number of Lv5, 4 and 3 skills, all individual skill category (mechanic, industry etc), number of certificates, number of elite certificates, ISK and skill value. Comments? What I fear with this is that only top SP chars land in most categories. Also unranked get a 1000 point penalty atm. Lol bit drastic? Seriously tho, yeah in time the ranks will end up being dominated by high sp players... á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.22 10:49:00 - [178] @A, yeah, walking in the dark here trying out various ways. Either way it's a good test to see how the ranks can be calculated in "real-time" with only minor changes, that way I can add/remove categories on the fly if needed. So while not perfect, it's a good test, which hopefully narrows down the path a bit

Two step Amarr Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.10.22 12:05:00 - [179] I'd love to see the ability to see the rankings limited to just your corporation. Also yay for my corp being number 1 in SP!
Bytemare	Posted - 2009.10.22 13:04:00 - [180] This, dear Sir, is AWESOME! \o/ Bytemare
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.22 14:24:00 - [181] sweet! me and a corpie in 1 and 2 rattus trailing by the width of his hair! .
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.22 15:43:00 - [182] :-P yea been trying to get a few basic cert's also been debating with myself about splurging on titan skills, -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.22 16:40:00 - [183] Originally by: RaTTuS :-P yea been trying to get a few basic cert's also been debating with myself about splurging on titan skills, I'm doing the most boring training plan ever, finishing up the bloody charisma skills - then remapping and never looking back to charisma. ... the titan skills are like 66 months of plex's ... play and fun vs titan skills :S .
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2009.10.22 17:30:00 - [184] Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: RaTTuS :-P yea been trying to get a few basic cert's also been debating with myself about splurging on titan skills, I'm doing the most boring training plan ever, finishing up the bloody charisma skills - then remapping and never looking back to charisma. ... the titan skills are like 66 months of plex's ... play and fun vs titan skills :S Nah, y'all don't need 'em. Too many people (2) already have all skills trained. You don't want to be the third wheel, right? --- All 390 skills trained. Tripoli on EveBoard.com Tripoli on EVE-Sheet.com
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.22 20:54:00 - [185] Originally by: Tripoli Nah, y'all don't need 'em. Too many people (2) already have all skills trained. You don't want to be the third wheel, right? I'm being a lazy boy... don't even have all race freighter skills .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.22 21:04:00 - [186] Theres a minor sorting error in the global ranks full list 7. Drahcir Nasom 106.44 8. Towaoc 106.04 13. Lord Soth 124.80 14. Vyger 124.48 27. Ditscher 163.68 28. Contralto 163.54 á
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.10.22 23:28:00 - [187] Originally by: Tripoli Nah, y'all don't need 'em. Too many people (2) already have all skills trained. You don't want to be the third wheel, right? Sorry Trip, your mistaken, 3 people have all the skills... I am now one of them "Current skills: 390 (skill points: 103,504,522)" So that makes me the third wheel.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.23 00:07:00 - [188] Originally by: Viggen Sorry Trip, your mistaken, 3 people have all the skills... I am now one of them "Current skills: 390 (skill points: 103,504,522)" So that makes me the third wheel. its a crowd! .
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.23 06:35:00 - [189] Pa - It's too crowded up there , I'll spend the corps monies on Domination -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.23 07:55:00 - [190] Originally by: Amateratsu Theres a minor sorting error in the global ranks full list 7. Drahcir Nasom 106.44 8. Towaoc 106.04 13. Lord Soth 124.80 14. Vyger 124.48 27. Ditscher 163.68 28. Contralto 163.54 Mmm thought that got fixed, thanks will look into it, it sorted wildly the other day, seems I have to do some recoding after all. It's a problem moving the values upon generation to the ranking table, but will sort that.

Aaron Rex Caldari The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.23 08:36:00 - [191] Clicky Thank you Chribba, you made my day! Aaron Rex - Remember the Scordite...
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.10.23 09:45:00 - [192] Originally by: Chribba @A, yeah, walking in the dark here trying out various ways. Either way it's a good test to see how the ranks can be calculated in "real-time" with only minor changes, that way I can add/remove categories on the fly if needed. So while not perfect, it's a good test, which hopefully narrows down the path a bit Any chance of readding all the certificate catagorys to the global ranks? I was just finishing of the basic certs when that rank was cut Otherwise the rest of the exclusions are good What would also be nice is where you have a "no data" catagory, show the penalty value being applied rather than a "-" preferably in Red so you can see its a penalty value rather than a rank value. Thanks á
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.23 10:27:00 - [193] Yeah I think certs should be included -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.23 12:36:00 - [194] Originally by: RaTTuS Yeah I think certs should be included Changed.

Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.23 15:34:00 - [195] Originally by: Chribba So now I changed it to only calculate overall rank based upon; Skillpoints, Number of skills, Number of Lv5, 4 and 3 skills, all individual skill category (mechanic, industry etc), number of certificates, number of elite certificates, ISK and skill value. ... wait, what exactly is being counted. If I tally up the points I have for sp, nr skills, nr of lvl5, 4 and 3 skills, skill categories, certs, isk and skill value I get a final score of 48 or so. Not the 80 I have now. Then again Valrandir also has a lower score (45ish) - so I am wondering what categories I am missing? (included all certificate categories) .
Valrandir Elemental Mercury Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.23 15:58:00 - [196] Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: Chribba So now I changed it to only calculate overall rank based upon; Skillpoints, Number of skills, Number of Lv5, 4 and 3 skills, all individual skill category (mechanic, industry etc), number of certificates, number of elite certificates, ISK and skill value. ... wait, what exactly is being counted. If I tally up the points I have for sp, nr skills, nr of lvl5, 4 and 3 skills, skill categories, certs, isk and skill value I get a final score of 48 or so. Not the 80 I have now. Then again Valrandir also has a lower score (45ish) - so I am wondering what categories I am missing? (included all certificate categories) Not hiding my wallet made a big difference \O/ First place, for now. This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.23 16:52:00 - [197] Originally by: Valrandir Not hiding my wallet made a big difference \O/ First place, for now. yeah, you have a huge lead (almost 20 points over 2nd and 3rd) which makes me think that there is some residue values or something that are calculated into my points. A quick calculation of the categories Chribba mentioned yields 45 points for you and 48 points for me, or so. something buggy in cache land? Not expecting to grab #1 again any time soon, my skill plan is very hostile to the ranking system there :D .
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.24 16:45:00 - [198] just an observation; certificate categories "should" be certificate levels ... which brings me to a question: is it possible to get #certs in certificate categories (x many certs in starter professions ...) .
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.10.26 22:39:00 - [199] oi Val, where did you go? Error report: Quote: ADODB.Field error '800a0bcd' Either BOF or EOF is True, or the current record has been deleted. Requested operation requires a current record. /scripts/myranks.asp, line 15 .

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.27 08:52:00 - [200] Originally by: Ravenal oi Val, where did you go? Error report: Debugged and fixed. Still haven't gotten around to fix the fullrank points thought, but hope to have that solved shortly. /c

Valrandir Elemental Mercury Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.27 16:02:00 - [201] Originally by: Ravenal oi Val, where did you go? Error report: Quote: ADODB.Field error '800a0bcd' Either BOF or EOF is True, or the current record has been deleted. Requested operation requires a current record. /scripts/myranks.asp, line 15 I've reset my API and uncovered a bug that Chribba has now fixed. This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers	Posted - 2009.10.27 20:50:00 - [202] Edited by: Drahcir Nasom on 27/10/2009 20:53:36 Hey Chribba Who's the character "Line Noise" who has 198.72 total attributes, 38.88 in Int, 45.36 in Char, 43.2 in Will and 38.8 Mem? If you look at his skill sheet, every one of his skills is duplicated as well. Drahcir

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.10.27 21:09:00 - [203] Originally by: Drahcir Nasom Edited by: Drahcir Nasom on 27/10/2009 20:53:36 Hey Chribba Who's the character "Line Noise" who has 198.72 total attributes, 38.88 in Int, 45.36 in Char, 43.2 in Will and 38.8 Mem? If you look at his skill sheet, every one of his skills is duplicated as well. Drahcir I expect that to sort out itself upon his next sheet update, judging by the data in the db his info did not get removed properly upon the last update (eg locked table). Will look into the routines either way.

Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2009.10.27 23:49:00 - [204] Edited by: Dr Caymus on 27/10/2009 23:54:35 Originally by: Drahcir Nasom Edited by: Drahcir Nasom on 27/10/2009 20:53:36 Hey Chribba Who's the character "Line Noise" who has 198.72 total attributes, 38.88 in Int, 45.36 in Char, 43.2 in Will and 38.8 Mem? If you look at his skill sheet, every one of his skills is duplicated as well. Drahcir Lol at the name, must be a telecommunications professional... -=ATI=-
Archestratidas	Posted - 2009.10.31 04:14:00 - [205] Originally by: Dr Caymus Hmm, must be a telecommunications professional... at first I didn't get the quote, but then I remembered my college days when I worked tech support.. I used to tell people that all the time when I wanted to hose 'n close 'em.. lol, thanks for the memories caymus.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.11.04 10:22:00 - [206] Possible bug... Miyamoto Shigesuke is showing as having 85 Basic Certificates... Quite an achievement concidering there are only 78 possible ingame currently... Unless there are some hidden certs that i'm not aware of á
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.11.04 23:31:00 - [207] Ooh, I think I pushed Valrandir to #2 overall by passing him in level III skills. I see potential here... What would he pay to get me to train a few level IIIs to level IV so he'll be above me again? Free jumpclone service: Thread

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.11.05 07:26:00 - [208] Originally by: Amateratsu Possible bug... Miyamoto Shigesuke is showing as having 85 Basic Certificates... Quite an achievement concidering there are only 78 possible ingame currently... Unless there are some hidden certs that i'm not aware of By the looks of it, it is dupe-records in the DB (that can happen when a character is updated and the table is locked), it usually sorts itself by the next time the character is updated (as well as the rankings).

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.11.05 23:01:00 - [209] I did wait 24 hrs to see if it corrected itself after viewing his sheet, thinking it was what you said before mentioning it. He's now back at 85 again after you reset him? so maybe theres something a bit more involved going on there
Valrandir Elemental Mercury Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.06 14:26:00 - [210] Originally by: Estel Arador Ooh, I think I pushed Valrandir to #2 overall by passing him in level III skills. I see potential here... What would he pay to get me to train a few level IIIs to level IV so he'll be above me again? AwesomeÖ I could also be that I am training skills from III to IV. This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2009.11.06 21:37:00 - [211] Originally by: Valrandir AwesomeÖ I could also be that I am training skills from III to IV. Of course, but I do hope I'm quicker with gaining skills at III than you are losing them to IV At the time I posted I had just finished a skill to III, was just one ahead of you in number of skills at III and you were 0.1 point short of the #1 position in the total ranking; I just thought it was fun Free jumpclone service: Thread
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.11.07 00:41:00 - [212] I still think people shouldn't be punished too harshly for having "no data" in categories like level 3 or even level 4 skills. People start out with those skills or get them very quickly. Not sure what the penalty for those categories is atm... but considering for example Drachir that only has lvl4 and lvl5 skills... you should def not be penalized for wanting to train all skills to level 5. If you only have a small subset of all skills anyway at lvl5 you are scoring badly in the categories of skills you don't have ... so you wouldn't be stealing any global ranks based only on the no data ranks in lvl3 or lvl4 skills. .
Valrandir Elemental Mercury Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.07 03:50:00 - [213] Originally by: Ravenal I still think people shouldn't be punished too harshly for having "no data" in categories like level 3 or even level 4 skills. People start out with those skills or get them very quickly. Not sure what the penalty for those categories is atm... but considering for example Drachir that only has lvl4 and lvl5 skills... you should def not be penalized for wanting to train all skills to level 5. If you only have a small subset of all skills anyway at lvl5 you are scoring badly in the categories of skills you don't have ... so you wouldn't be stealing any global ranks based only on the no data ranks in lvl3 or lvl4 skills. Agree We should not have to keep one skill at 0, one at 1, one at 2, just to get listed in the category. This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.11.07 07:58:00 - [214] a skill @ 0 is no skill at all.... so yes I agree -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers	Posted - 2009.11.07 08:54:00 - [215] I'm not overly concerned about the global ranking, it hasn't diverted me from my personal goals which are currently 50% of available skills @ lvl 5 (should get this on Xmas eve) and 200 lvl 5 skills (24th Feb is target date for that). I did think of a possibility for the rankings of skills numbers and cert numbers but it would take us back to the state we had with InEve where the older players like myself could never be overtaken. My idea was your ranking in lvl 5 is based on the number of lvl 5s, your ranking in lvl 4 is based on the number of lvl 4s + the number of lvl 5s, ranking for lvl 3 is based on number of lvl 3 + number of lvl 4 + number of lvl 5 etc. and the same with certs. Drahcir
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2009.11.07 10:13:00 - [216] #skills by level are currently not counted in the global rankings for levels 0, 1, 2 as well as all the sp by level ranks. the current penaltie for a no data rank is 1000 pts, With nearly 2000 pilots now registered on eveboard having no data in say level 3 skills is actually better than having 1 or 2 skills at level 3 which would give you a score of nearly 2000 pts. And that will only increase as more pilots join the site, so in some cases you are better off having no data. á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.11.07 23:16:00 - [217] Originally by: Amateratsu I did wait 24 hrs to see if it corrected itself after viewing his sheet, thinking it was what you said before mentioning it. He's now back at 85 again after you reset him? so maybe theres something a bit more involved going on there Interesting yeah, it seems that his API export does contain multiple rows of the same certificate - dun ask me why, didn't think that was possible? So seems I have to review the code to remove any duplicates.

Tychus	Posted - 2009.11.09 17:56:00 - [218] Edited by: Tychus on 09/11/2009 17:56:26 Well done, as usual. GO Chribba! And i'm #12. WOOT! Now, If only CCP would fix broken employment histories on old toons. Has anyone had any success with this? T
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.11.11 20:10:00 - [219] Is there a bug with the global attribute rankings? Some characters have attributes of 59 which isn't possible and doesn't reflect there personal data sheets.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.11.12 09:17:00 - [220] Originally by: Contralto Is there a bug with the global attribute rankings? Some characters have attributes of 59 which isn't possible and doesn't reflect there personal data sheets. I have noticed that some sheets get added twice due to locked tables, that might be the case with the attributes as well, I will look into it and update as needed. Also if you have an example if you notice it again, pls link/state the name as it helps looking into the issue. /c Secure 3rd party service

Loraen	Posted - 2009.11.13 04:06:00 - [221] Originally by: RaTTuS a skill @ 0 is no skill at all.... so yes I agree So how about the freak that has 144 skills injected but untrained? That takes some planning, actually. All the way from the beginning, every skill you train up needs to lead to at least 1 new skill injection.. that character can also end up as the one with all skills with the lowest SP possible.
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.11.13 08:21:00 - [222] :-P -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital
Valrandir Elemental Mercury Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.17 17:22:00 - [223] Back to first place This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.11.25 14:23:00 - [224] [eb] now runs on the Dominion database, please report any errors you encounter. Some images (in the ship section) is currently not displaying properly as the Dominion image dumps are yet not available. /c Win a Wyvern mothership for 10M ISK

Crime Zero Black Thorne Corporation	Posted - 2009.11.26 13:34:00 - [225] Originally by: Two step I'd love to see the ability to see the rankings limited to just your corporation. Absolutely brilliant site Chribba! Feature packed, and very quick to load! I'll never get to the top 10 in any of the global rankings so for me it would be really cool to select your own corp and see only their rankings as if nobody else existed. Great site! -Crime
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers	Posted - 2009.11.29 12:14:00 - [226] Chribba I was playing around with some statistical figures (as one does when bored) and I wondered if a useful statistic might be the Standard Deviation of skillpoints by skill group. This would compare peoples total SP in each group with their average SP per group (total SP/16 skill groups). People who have specialised in one or two areas would get higher scores than those who had spread their training around and so produced a much broader (or less specialised) character. The lower the Standard Deviation, the less specialised the character. To normalise the figures (i.e. make it so it doesn't matter whether the char has high or low total SP), I'd express the Standard Deviation as a percentage of their total SP (I'm sure there's a name for this which some statistician can tell us). Here are some examples. Me: Total SP: 124,295,230 Average SP/Group: 7,768,452 Highest SP for a group: 15,370,192 Lowest SP for a group: 2,470,825 Standard Deviation: 4,762,205 Normalised: 3.83% DrC Total SP: 139,345,179 Average SP/Group: 8,709,074 Highest SP for a group: 53,646,331 Lowest SP for a group: 250 Standard Deviation: 13,493,149 Normalised : 9.68% Valrandir Total SP: 106,652,227 Average SP/Group: 7,048,328 Highest SP for a group: 28,164,466 Lowest SP for a group: 1,811,805 Standard Deviation: 4,809,771 Normalised : 4.51% Tripoli Total SP: 112,773,250 Average SP/Group: 6,665,764 Highest SP for a group: 18,028,795 Lowest SP for a group: 572,550 Standard Deviation: 6,110,537 Normalised : 5.42% Before anyone comments, yes I did start out looking for another statistic I'd come top in, but then I did look very hard to see if I could find anyone to beat me in this stat. I do think it's quite an interesting way to see how specialised someone is though. Drahcir
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.11.29 12:29:00 - [227] Drahcir, in your example you have the SP Group figures mixed up for Valrandir and Tripoli, total skillpoints for each are correct though, and an interesting idea.
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers	Posted - 2009.11.29 12:34:00 - [228] Originally by: Viggen Drahcir, in your example you have the SP Group figures mixed up for Valrandir and Tripoli, total skillpoints for each are correct though, and an interesting idea. That's because I was manually copying them from the excel spreadsheet I'd used for the calculations. Drahcir
My Postman	Posted - 2009.12.03 14:34:00 - [229] Anyway this fantastic tool needs a bump. One question to the andvanced community. Since dominion is up eveboard shows wrong (old) sum of skillpoints. On the starting site it shows the correct skill i¦m learning, ond another it shows the old (pre-dominion) skill. Is this an API-thing? Can you enlight me what to do to get correct data? Thanks in advance.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.03 14:46:00 - [230] Originally by: My Postman Anyway this fantastic tool needs a bump. One question to the andvanced community. Since dominion is up eveboard shows wrong (old) sum of skillpoints. On the starting site it shows the correct skill i¦m learning, ond another it shows the old (pre-dominion) skill. Is this an API-thing? Can you enlight me what to do to get correct data? Thanks in advance. Huh? What do you mean? Win a Wyvern mothership for 10M ISK

My Postman	Posted - 2009.12.03 15:00:00 - [231] Edited by: My Postman on 03/12/2009 15:01:12 Originally by: Chribba Originally by: My Postman Anyway this fantastic tool needs a bump. One question to the andvanced community. Since dominion is up eveboard shows wrong (old) sum of skillpoints. On the starting site it shows the correct skill i¦m learning, ond another it shows the old (pre-dominion) skill. Is this an API-thing? Can you enlight me what to do to get correct data? Thanks in advance. Huh? What do you mean? Wow the master himself As i said before when i loged into the game this morning it did show me a different (higher) number of total skill points than your sheet does now (by about 400k less). On the "basic pilot information" it shows the right skill i¦m learning, when you switch to "certificates" (for example) it tells the skill i learned pre-dominion. So cribs, no idea if its this api-thing? Unfortunatly i have to log off for a 4 hours or so (rl :))but when i log on again i¦ll have a look again! Thanks! OMG the great cribs is handling my problem! Of course this is an Alt!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.03 15:18:00 - [232] Edited by: Chribba on 03/12/2009 15:20:36 Originally by: My Postman Wow the master himself As i said before when i loged into the game this morning it did show me a different (higher) number of total skill points than your sheet does now (by about 400k less). On the "basic pilot information" it shows the right skill i¦m learning, when you switch to "certificates" (for example) it tells the skill i learned pre-dominion. So cribs, no idea if its this api-thing? Unfortunatly i have to log off for a 4 hours or so (rl :))but when i log on again i¦ll have a look again! Thanks! OMG the great cribs is handling my problem! Of course this is an Alt! I'll look into it to see if there's any calculation errors on my side (in terms of new skills etc). /c Win a Wyvern mothership for 10M ISK

UnDeRBaLaNcE	Posted - 2009.12.03 19:39:00 - [233] Chribba, I have a problem.. I have about 65mil sp, but when I register myself on eveboard and eve-sheet as well, it only says I have 59mil sp and my skills ain't fully updated.. This is taken from eve online website - "my character" CharacternameUnDeRBaLaNcE CorporationBrutor tribe Total skill points65,113,454 But on eveboard it show this.. UnDeRBaLaNcE Corporation Brutor tribe Skill points 59,594,172 Here is a link Should I petition it ingame, as ****ed api or?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.03 19:57:00 - [234] Originally by: UnDeRBaLaNcE Chribba, I have a problem.. I have about 65mil sp, but when I register myself on eveboard and eve-sheet as well, it only says I have 59mil sp and my skills ain't fully updated.. There seem to be a problem with the API at the moment, showing errorus skillpoints compared to in-game. At the moment I am not exactly sure what causes it, someone mentioned that it might have to do with partially trained skills causing the API to send the wrong values. Afaik CCP is aware of it (due to the number of threads made about it) and hopefully we will see the API showing correct values soon. As for your sheet on [eb] you don't need to do anything, once the API delivers the correct values - your sheet will be showing properly as well. /c Win a Wyvern mothership for 10M ISK

UnDeRBaLaNcE	Posted - 2009.12.03 20:05:00 - [235] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: UnDeRBaLaNcE Chribba, I have a problem.. I have about 65mil sp, but when I register myself on eveboard and eve-sheet as well, it only says I have 59mil sp and my skills ain't fully updated.. There seem to be a problem with the API at the moment, showing errorus skillpoints compared to in-game. At the moment I am not exactly sure what causes it, someone mentioned that it might have to do with partially trained skills causing the API to send the wrong values. Afaik CCP is aware of it (due to the number of threads made about it) and hopefully we will see the API showing correct values soon. As for your sheet on [eb] you don't need to do anything, once the API delivers the correct values - your sheet will be showing properly as well. /c Ok, cool. I'll stop deleting it and register it all the time then :D haha
My Postman	Posted - 2009.12.04 09:42:00 - [236] Dear Chribba! I see that you (and CCP) take notice of the problem. Here some further information for you, i also think that partially trained skills are some source of the problem too. Just want to inform you that different tabs of your side shows different results in skillpoints and currently training as well. The ingame check this morning gave my alt by about 6,8m skillpoints, changing the training from science lvl 5 (not finished), to learning lvl 5. Eveboard shows following result 15min ago. Tab Basic Pilot Info: 6,6m sp, currently learning "Learning lvl5". Tab Certificates: 6,4m sp, currently learning science lvl 5, which was i learned yesterday, also after dominion. Tab Blueprints: same result as Basic Pilot info. Tab Ships: same result as Certificates Tab Standings: same result as Certificates Tab Pilot ranking: 6,5m sp, currently learning shield upgrades lvl 4, which i cant remember when i trained this, must be pre-dominion surely. Just for your info, keep up the brilliant work. Thanks!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.04 10:04:00 - [237] Originally by: My Postman Dear Chribba! I see that you (and CCP) take notice of the problem. Here some further information for you, i also think that partially trained skills are some source of the problem too. Just want to inform you that different tabs of your side shows different results in skillpoints and currently training as well. The ingame check this morning gave my alt by about 6,8m skillpoints, changing the training from science lvl 5 (not finished), to learning lvl 5. Eveboard shows following result 15min ago. Tab Basic Pilot Info: 6,6m sp, currently learning "Learning lvl5". Tab Certificates: 6,4m sp, currently learning science lvl 5, which was i learned yesterday, also after dominion. Tab Blueprints: same result as Basic Pilot info. Tab Ships: same result as Certificates Tab Standings: same result as Certificates Tab Pilot ranking: 6,5m sp, currently learning shield upgrades lvl 4, which i cant remember when i trained this, must be pre-dominion surely. Just for your info, keep up the brilliant work. Thanks! Would you mind sending me a mail in-game with the name of your character so I can do some checks. I think it sounds like what you are seeing is different cached versions of the tabs - as I do not cache the info (or at least the option should be turned off on my side) thus I want to double-check with your character that this isn't the case. /c Win a Wyvern mothership for 10M ISK

My Postman	Posted - 2009.12.04 11:56:00 - [238] Edited by: My Postman on 04/12/2009 11:59:14 Dear Chribba! I¦ll eve-mail you the in-game-char. Unfortunatley i won¦t be able before evening as i¦m working without beeing able to "ingame". Further i hope i won¦t forget because f might be too drunk . Thanks! Edit: This does¦nt mean i¦m drinking at work. But what else doing on friday evenings?
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.12.04 16:37:00 - [239] I would like to see separate SP rankings for each bloodline. No need to make it part of the total ranking but some additional stats like the total SP per corp.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.05 10:46:00 - [240] Originally by: Mashie Saldana I would like to see separate SP rankings for each bloodline. No need to make it part of the total ranking but some additional stats like the total SP per corp. Will add that to the ToDo list, won't be any major problem implementing that, only to figure out a good way to navigate/show it without causing a lot of confusion (but I have an idea how to do it already). /c Win a Wyvern mothership for 10M ISK

Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:19:00 - [241] Chribba, a suggestion to add to your ToDo list. Could you add the skill rank into the character skill sheets? Example:- Current style = "Gunnery / Level: 5 / SP: 256,000 of 256,000" New style = "Gunnery / Rank 1 / Level: 5 / SP: 256,000 of 256,000" and maybe a filter by rank like the the filter we already have by skills? Current = "filter by skill level: all 0 1 2 3 4 5" and then "filter by skill ranks: all 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 12 14 16" Just an idea :) Vig
RavenPaine	Posted - 2009.12.07 05:19:00 - [242] More about the skill discrepencies: I have some skills that were at lvl 5 , now they only show lvl 2 completed ..or lvl 4 completed . Its really random from one char to another , and from one skill group to another . Some of the skills were trained over 2 years ago .Its in evemon as well and the discrepencies are the same from site to site (as far as i can tell) Just wanted to give a little feedback , as i didnt see too much info anywhere . Thanks for all your work on this awsome site Chribba
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2009.12.07 05:35:00 - [243] Added my char to the list,but it isn't showing the correct amount of SP,being off by about 3 million sp in fact...Shows 114.7 million sp in eveboard,while in reality,i have 117.4 million sp,and i've tried a new limited API key,same result.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.07 09:11:00 - [244] Originally by: Viggen Chribba, a suggestion to add to your ToDo list. Could you add the skill rank into the character skill sheets? Example:- Current style = "Gunnery / Level: 5 / SP: 256,000 of 256,000" New style = "Gunnery / Rank 1 / Level: 5 / SP: 256,000 of 256,000" and maybe a filter by rank like the the filter we already have by skills? Current = "filter by skill level: all 0 1 2 3 4 5" and then "filter by skill ranks: all 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 12 14 16" Just an idea :) Vig Added to the list. @ RavenPaine & digitalwanderer: There are problems with the API since Dominion, that's why they show the wrong values in [eb], EVEMon and other sites. Hopefully CCP will fix this sooner rather than later.

Hakurei Border Gensokyo	Posted - 2009.12.07 10:04:00 - [245] I'd love to see some generic stat, like 191/391 skill trained, or 150/300 ship available to fly.
Obesus Maximus Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.12.07 17:29:00 - [246] Thanks for the great site Chribba. The only issue I am having is that the character picture has not changed from the ! even though it has since updated on the forum. The word of the day is katzenklavier
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.07 18:00:00 - [247] Originally by: Obesus Maximus Thanks for the great site Chribba. The only issue I am having is that the character picture has not changed from the ! even though it has since updated on the forum. I still see you as an ! on the forum, just so you know. Originally by: Tirus Sinobi Your response has set your intelligence barrier so low that anything you post from here on that breaches it, will have to be considered posted by somebody else.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.07 18:09:00 - [248] Originally by: Obesus Maximus Thanks for the great site Chribba. The only issue I am having is that the character picture has not changed from the ! even though it has since updated on the forum. I see your avatar here but not on [eb] so I'll issue a cache cleanup on EVE-Search for it to show properly (if it doesn't solve it - then it is a matter of 256px renders at CCP). Hopefully EVE-Search cleanup will take care of it. /c

Metalcali Pacific Industrials	Posted - 2009.12.07 18:46:00 - [249] Not seen any problems from my side. I'll just stay happy and content for a short time with my #7 rank in Skills trained to Lvl 2 Great job Chribba.
Tychus	Posted - 2009.12.10 04:10:00 - [250] 3rd!!!!! Oh yeah ty again Chribba T
Chrriba	Posted - 2009.12.11 02:01:00 - [251] I'm confused as to why your website turned me into your clone. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.12.11 13:44:00 - [252] lots of duplciated Skills -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital
UnDeRBaLaNcE	Posted - 2009.12.12 08:15:00 - [253] The issue, where the API didn't get all the skills, have been sorted now :)
Sazkyen	Posted - 2009.12.12 12:30:00 - [254] I'm getting an error: "Error encountered No additional characters could be added for supplied API information." I have never added any chars before yet my API (just re-generated it to be sure) key isn't accpeted. Any clues please?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.12 14:28:00 - [255] @Sazkyen, There's currently an API error on CCP's side that's the cause for it. Normally the API is up even if TQ is down. You will see errors when accessing any other sheet at the moment as well. Will be sorted as soon as CCP has the API up and running again. Secure 3rd party service

Sazkyen	Posted - 2009.12.12 15:55:00 - [256] Originally by: Chribba @Sazkyen, There's currently an API error on CCP's side that's the cause for it. Normally the API is up even if TQ is down. You will see errors when accessing any other sheet at the moment as well. Will be sorted as soon as CCP has the API up and running again. Thanks for the info!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.23 07:58:00 - [257] poking this back to the top, and announcing the signatures (as the official slient try has run smooth). Secure 3rd party service

RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.12.23 13:31:00 - [258] ooh so I can get a sig now -- EB \| Capital
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.12.23 16:26:00 - [259] Chribba I really like the custom sigs, however, is it any chance to get an option to upload our own background images and have eveboard add the stats?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.23 17:32:00 - [260] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Chribba I really like the custom sigs, however, is it any chance to get an option to upload our own background images and have eveboard add the stats? That is planned and coding is in progress. /c Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.12.23 17:42:00 - [261] Originally by: Chribba That is planned and coding is in progress. /c Nice, thanks.
Woohoo Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2009.12.25 01:09:00 - [262] Just wanted to say a big thanks for creating the eb site - its very much appreciated by skill collectors/addicts like myself ;)
Rhaegor Stormborn H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.12.25 06:38:00 - [263] Chribba, Where is my missing skills that could be trained button???!?!!?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.25 09:31:00 - [264] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Chribba, Where is my missing skills that could be trained button???!?!!? There is none future feature Secure 3rd party service

RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.12.28 13:10:00 - [265] can we get a 2 line sig bar ? ;-p -- \| Capital
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.12.29 02:54:00 - [266] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 29/12/2009 02:54:40 Masterfull work as always Chribba! Masterfull work indeed! But if I could be so bold, I would like to ask you if its possible to see how many Characters thats registered with EB. Because, all I see is that I am ranked as nr 350 in amassed skillpoints. But of how many?? Am I nr 350 of 351, or am I nr. 350 of 350.000? But let me say it again, as always, your work is superb! Thanks! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.29 09:20:00 - [267] Originally by: RaTTuS can we get a 2 line sig bar ? ;-p That might be easier when you can upload custom backgrounds, however you can still add two to the current, altho you might need to make the size a bit smaller (since you can edit the code yourself via the "custom") Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Masterfull work as always Chribba! Masterfull work indeed! But if I could be so bold, I would like to ask you if its possible to see how many Characters thats registered with EB. Because, all I see is that I am ranked as nr 350 in amassed skillpoints. But of how many?? Am I nr 350 of 351, or am I nr. 350 of 350.000? But let me say it again, as always, your work is superb! Thanks! That will be displayed in the future, atm it has been left out on purpose until the numbers grow a bit, this to prevent people from not signing up because they only see like 100 characters added. Altho the numbers atm is close to 5,500. /c Secure 3rd party service

RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.12.29 10:09:00 - [268] Originally by: Chribba That might be easier when you can upload custom backgrounds, however you can still add two to the current, altho you might need to make the size a bit smaller (since you can edit the code yourself via the "custom") Awesome - now to fiddle with it a bit more.... {certificates} to come? -- \| Capital
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2009.12.29 12:33:00 - [269] A minor bug, if you do filter by skill level and you don't have any skills at that level the "filter by skill level" menu vanish.
DrDevice Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.29 13:09:00 - [270] Cool new character sheet nice one a possible nice addition could be a compare characters option.
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.12.30 15:00:00 - [271] For the past 12 hours or so the bottom section of the Board of Fame page has been coming up with the following:- Corporation ranks ............................................................................................................... Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e57' [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Arithmetic overflow error converting expression to data type int. /ranks.asp, line 1345 and wont show anything beyond that point. Rest of the site appears uneffected. Eveboard Viggen
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2009.12.30 16:50:00 - [272] I guess the top corp just reached 2,147,483,647 SP in total.
d3vo The Missionaries	Posted - 2009.12.31 16:58:00 - [273] Cool site. I'm in.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.01.01 09:49:00 - [274] Originally by: Mashie Saldana I guess the top corp just reached 2,147,483,647 SP in total. This was indeed the case, and code has now been changed to handle larger values. My apologies for the delay. /c Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2010.01.03 10:10:00 - [275] Thanks C, that is working fine now. Please don't hurt me but would it be possible on the custom signatures to have info from more than one char displayed? The moderators insist on a max of one image per signature so my plan to use three banner style sigantures on top of each other has been shot to pieces... Would this be feasable or would it mean you have to rewrite the code completely?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.01.03 13:20:00 - [276] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Thanks C, that is working fine now. Please don't hurt me but would it be possible on the custom signatures to have info from more than one char displayed? The moderators insist on a max of one image per signature so my plan to use three banner style sigantures on top of each other has been shot to pieces... Would this be feasable or would it mean you have to rewrite the code completely? I'll put that on the todo list, it generally isn't a major coding job to include multiple chars. Unless - A randomization feature would solve your problem(s). I however do think that the feature you ask for will only be included in custom signatures though. Either way it has been added to the list and I will look into a working solution. /c Secure 3rd party service

Kelby Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.03 15:08:00 - [277] Edited by: Kelby on 03/01/2010 15:09:01 Chribba, All my skills are show duplicates, profile at: Linkage Thanks!
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2010.01.03 21:18:00 - [278] Originally by: Chribba I however do think that the feature you ask for will only be included in custom signatures though. Either way it has been added to the list and I will look into a working solution. /c I was thinking of having one custom image with the stats of three different chars embedded, by the sounds of it you are on top of it though.
FD ST	Posted - 2010.01.06 01:43:00 - [279] First off, great site Chribba. Could you take a look at a problem I have with this Char pls. When I look at the skill sheet it says: Automatic API Update disabled, Reason: Login denied by account status. at the top and the skills haven't been updated since I last looked at it. I can log into the game and on here to post this so my account status is ok...

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.01.06 07:24:00 - [280] Originally by: FD ST First off, great site Chribba. Could you take a look at a problem I have with this Char pls. When I look at the skill sheet it says: Automatic API Update disabled, Reason: Login denied by account status. at the top and the skills haven't been updated since I last looked at it. I can log into the game and on here to post this so my account status is ok... That generally means the API info is/has changed. Log in with your API details to update them and it should work properly again. Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2010.01.10 10:34:00 - [281] I got a new shiny sig, thanks for tha manual background upload Chribba. Mashie Saldana - Monica Foulkes
Juwi Kotch Fiat Iustitia	Posted - 2010.01.15 16:56:00 - [282] Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 15/01/2010 17:06:02 Great site! ... and I just see that Mashie and I are nearly identical in total SP One suggestion: Would it be possible to create a rank out of the blueprint page, according to the number of BPOs one can use? By the way, today I started my very first skill in the missile group, to finally be able to use the Stealth Bomber. That put me down form rank 152 to rank 188 ... Since I do not plan to learn more then Bomb Deployment, I guess this will be an all time draw back for me. Support the Bounty Hunter Profession!
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2010.01.15 18:36:00 - [283] Originally by: Juwi Kotch One suggestion: Would it be possible to create a rank out of the blueprint page, according to the number of BPOs one can use? My alt would love a BPO ranking. Say no to 24000byte sig limit.
Juwi Kotch Fiat Iustitia	Posted - 2010.01.16 10:26:00 - [284] Another suggestion: Could you publish on the startpage (or the overall ranking page or somewhere else) of your site how the ranks are actually calculated? Support the Bounty Hunter Profession!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.01.16 19:01:00 - [285] I will look into BPO ranking, the problem with that is that the BPOs are kinda calculated on the fly when page is requested, so there's no easy "master query" to get a rank - but regardless, I will look into it and see if I can make that happening. As for the calculations I will try add that to some suitable place as well (other than in the thread already). /c Secure 3rd party service

Juwi Kotch Fiat Iustitia	Posted - 2010.01.16 20:57:00 - [286] Sounds good! Thanks! Support the Bounty Hunter Profession!
Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2010.01.16 23:57:00 - [287] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Juwi Kotch One suggestion: Would it be possible to create a rank out of the blueprint page, according to the number of BPOs one can use? My alt would love a BPO ranking. A stellar idea! -=ATI=-
Nertzius Quantum Tangle	Posted - 2010.02.01 21:33:00 - [288] Chribba, Compliments on the site. I like it quite a bit, especially it's zippyness. Two suggestions: Everyone who has a value which is tied for a rank should receive the same rank. Thus if 10 people were all tied for first place they would all be ranked as first. I do realize this could be problematic to implement depending on how you are computing the ranks. I do wonder how much this is throwing off the global ranking given the number of ties. Also, I can understand the reason for the 1000 point penalty when the site was first getting started for the global ranking but with thousands of characters now participating in the site I would be willing to bet you no longer need it to keep out the alts. Yes, I feel slightly penalized given how I have always managed my characters skills. :) Feature Request: A new ranking area for most skill areas completed. You get one point for every skill area which you have all publicly available and trainable skills to level 5. Sorry if I have duplicated anything already discussed in the thread.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.02.02 13:11:00 - [289] Something for the ToDo list? Certificate points: Nr of skillpoints covered by certificates Non-certificate points: nr of skillpoints not covered by certificates Someone was talking in another thread about "easy" to get certificates vs "hard" to get ... I don't know if it will matter much but you would be one of the few that could pull that data :)
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.02.07 11:56:00 - [290] Edited by: Amateratsu on 07/02/2010 11:56:35 I have a feature request/suggestion that might be interesting... A personal blog page where you can set out what your goals for the character are, ask for advice from others where other eb members can make suggestions/comments on your characters/skills ect. I'd love to see what others think of my chars/skills/goals ect. Just an idea á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.08 11:11:00 - [291] @Ravenal & Amateratsu; Suggestions added to ToDo and will evaluate the requests Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.08 13:27:00 - [292] Originally by: Chribba @Ravenal & Amateratsu; Suggestions added to ToDo and will evaluate the requests How about adding a ToDo List page? Destructible outposts

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.08 13:45:00 - [293] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Chribba @Ravenal & Amateratsu; Suggestions added to ToDo and will evaluate the requests How about adding a ToDo List page? I have a horrible feeling you all will start yelling at me when you see all them Veldspar features I dream about Secure 3rd party service

Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers Independent Manufacturers Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.08 22:34:00 - [294] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Chribba @Ravenal & Amateratsu; Suggestions added to ToDo and will evaluate the requests How about adding a ToDo List page? I have a horrible feeling you all will start yelling at me when you see all them Veldspar features I dream about How about a section for all those who have and can fly a hi sec capital? Drahcir
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2010.02.09 02:22:00 - [295] When are we gonna see Chribba added to the sheet? I wanna see those maxed out Veld mining skills Eveboard Viggen
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.09 10:10:00 - [296] Originally by: Viggen When are we gonna see Chribba added to the sheet? I wanna see those maxed out Veld mining skills I bet Chribba is a 135m SP pure PVP specced char with mining 5 added just for fun. Destructible outposts

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.09 10:29:00 - [297] or I'm like a 7.89m SP maxed in trading and you all will be sad pandas when you see that? I'll get teased either way for not SP-maximizing my character from the start - thus I'm far far far behind the leaders. Secure 3rd party service


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.11 10:50:00 - [298] [eb] has now been updated with the ability to upload custom backgrounds for your signatures. The only supported format is PNG (due to its transparency etc), 400x120 for signatures and 400x30 for userbars (max). You can upload the backgrounds by logging on to your account and at your character list (home) you will see two boxes to use for the uploads. Once uploaded the backgrounds will be listed under the default backgrounds in the signature/userbar creation pages. Also added is the ability to remove your avatar from the signatures (as it can at point really make your signature look weird ). /c Secure 3rd party service

Chakarr	Posted - 2010.02.11 12:38:00 - [299] Great site! Just one question, sorry if it's been asked before - but why isn't my corp logo showing correctly?
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.11 14:05:00 - [300] Originally by: Chribba [eb] has now been updated with the ability to upload custom backgrounds for your signatures. And the people rejoiced. No more need to pester you about image uploads. This post sent from an iPad. Does it look cool?
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.11 14:14:00 - [301] Ok, guess I found a bug with the fullsize signatures, when uploaded they are not displayed in the "make custom signature" screen. The userbar work as intended and I can see the uploaded images. This post sent from an iPad. Does it look cool?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.11 14:37:00 - [302] Edited by: Chribba on 11/02/2010 14:45:51 Originally by: Chakarr Just one question, sorry if it's been asked before - but why isn't my corp logo showing correctly? Could be either it hasn't been cached yet (or got an error while caching) or it simply could not generate it. If it's a "!" then it means it could not be generated yet. Originally by: Mashie Saldana Ok, guess I found a bug with the fullsize signatures, when uploaded they are not displayed in the "make custom signature" screen. The userbar work as intended and I can see the uploaded images. Do they show now? I had some issues with the size of the screen (as the signature creator is an iframe that didn't resize properly) so also added a second frame-resize script, perhaps it didn't resize properly before. edit/and I am aware of the graphical resize "issue" when using backgrounds not by the regular size. I'm looking into a suitable solution (however that's only a display thing at the creator, final signatures/userbars should look proper). Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.11 15:44:00 - [303] Originally by: Chribba edit/and I am aware of the graphical resize "issue" when using backgrounds not by the regular size. I'm looking into a suitable solution (however that's only a display thing at the creator, final signatures/userbars should look proper). Do I need to upload the image again as the one I uploaded before still isn't visible? This post sent from an iPad. Does it look cool?
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.02.11 17:40:00 - [304] Originally by: Chribba Also, in a character comparison function, what things do you want to have compared? At the moment only the skill list is shown. But I assume you all are looking for other things as well, like ranks etc So throw me your ideas on waht you're looking for in that function. Side by side skills with +/- column quickly displaying the difference in levels between the characters being compared (1st - 2nd) and a total +/- at the bottom Same side by side rank comparison for: - all ranked categories - ranked categories that are scored (for global rank) Same side by side for certificates Possibly for ship, offensive and defensive skills too. This would work out something like: Character1 - character2 ship1 - ship1 // +2 (where comparison is the skill levels required to fly that ship ship2 - ship2 ... Offensive skills: projectiles (capital, large, medium, small) energy turrets (capital, large, medium, small) hybrid turrets (capital, large, medium, small) drones (fighters, heavy, medium, small) missiles (capital, large, medium, small) Defensive skills: shield tanking (capital, sub-capital) armor tanking (capital, sub-capital) Speed ... possibly lots of work to create the skill groups. Most of it would be in the certificates too, but it's a comfy collection for comparing? ... just ideas like you asked for .

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:52:00 - [305] Edited by: Chribba on 11/02/2010 20:55:08 Edited by: Chribba on 11/02/2010 20:53:39 Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Chribba edit/and I am aware of the graphical resize "issue" when using backgrounds not by the regular size. I'm looking into a suitable solution (however that's only a display thing at the creator, final signatures/userbars should look proper). Do I need to upload the image again as the one I uploaded before still isn't visible? From what I can see you have uploaded 2 ub's and 3 sig's (2 of the sigs are the same as the two ub's tho?). The 3rd sig is the blue background and it should show (or at least does so when I try see your backgrounds). edit/but yes if it doesn't show (and the blue one isn't the right one) try upload again. a successfull upload will say "Upload OK!" just above the file-boxes at the upload. also, at the creation page, try mark text and drag down (scroll down) seeing as this is an ifram without scrollbars maybe the backgrounds are outside your view (if your browser didn't manage resize the iframe per auto) Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.12 00:57:00 - [306] Originally by: Chribba edit/it has been fixed, and should now display properly. Thanks, can see the uploads now. I did however... ehm... find another bug. The "show avatar" tickbox doesn't work, regardless if it is ticked or not the avatar picture is still embedded. This post sent from an iPad. Does it look cool?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.12 07:41:00 - [307] The reason the avatar shows is probably because you didn't generate the code again after unticking in. This can easily be changed yourself though as the first 3 chars in the code decides if the avatar shows or not. [1] = Avatar showing [0] = Avatar not showing Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.12 10:24:00 - [308] Originally by: Chribba [1] = Avatar showing [0] = Avatar not showing Got it working, I used some old code without the first argument when testing.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.12 11:45:00 - [309] Progress and example of the comparison - as it looks now - Linkage Secure 3rd party service

Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2010.02.12 12:45:00 - [310] Originally by: Chribba Progress and example of the comparison - as it looks now - Linkage Sweet! Free jumpclone service\|874 stations - Truly Universal
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.02.12 12:58:00 - [311] Originally by: Chribba Progress and example of the comparison - as it looks now - Linkage awesome .
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.12 14:01:00 - [312] Originally by: Chribba Progress and example of the comparison - as it looks now - Linkage Very cool!
Orree Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2010.02.12 16:50:00 - [313] Very nice, Chribba. Just discovered this site yesterday and I really like it. Nicely done. ---------- "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2010.02.19 23:53:00 - [314] I've noticed this several times lately. My ranks page shows me ranked much lower than I should be in several areas. The problem usually corrects itself at the next refresh, but it seems to be happening a lot. --- All 392 skills trained. Tripoli on EveBoard.com Tripoli on EVE-Sheet.com

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.20 07:52:00 - [315] Originally by: Tripoli I've noticed this several times lately. My ranks page shows me ranked much lower than I should be in several areas. The problem usually corrects itself at the next refresh, but it seems to be happening a lot. Much lower as in 100's of positions or like 3-4? I did notice this happen a while back when new characters got a high rank at the start per auto, perhaps this is the case as well (as the pilot numbers have increased). When this do happen, please see if you can find the "new" pilots added over you and let me know and I'll see if this is the case again (also rank generation has been decreased a bit in time since it takes A LOT of resources, so I might have to tune that as well if it causes problems). /c Secure 3rd party service

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.02.20 14:21:00 - [316] Originally by: Tripoli I've noticed this several times lately. My ranks page shows me ranked much lower than I should be in several areas. The problem usually corrects itself at the next refresh, but it seems to be happening a lot. I've noticed this happening a few times as well, it varies from a few 10's of positions to several 100, on 1 occation i dropped to 46?... and it showed me as having less sp/skills in some catagory's than i have in reality I got the sense that it might be an api issue as it took several minutes to load my char sheet, where it rereshes the api info when you request your sheet. á
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2010.02.20 17:51:00 - [317] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Tripoli I've noticed this several times lately. My ranks page shows me ranked much lower than I should be in several areas. The problem usually corrects itself at the next refresh, but it seems to be happening a lot. Much lower as in 100's of positions or like 3-4? I did notice this happen a while back when new characters got a high rank at the start per auto, perhaps this is the case as well (as the pilot numbers have increased). When this do happen, please see if you can find the "new" pilots added over you and let me know and I'll see if this is the case again (also rank generation has been decreased a bit in time since it takes A LOT of resources, so I might have to tune that as well if it causes problems). /c My overall rank dropped from the 50s to the 300s. I didn't look at everything, but I've noticed more than once that it was showing I only had like 2 Elite Certificates, and only a handfull of level 5 skills. --- All 392 skills trained. Tripoli on EveBoard.com Tripoli on EVE-Sheet.com
Drykor Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.02.21 20:15:00 - [318] If you could get CCP to include the character date of birth in the api (or is it already?), you could put that info on the character page as well, you could even do nifty calculations such as average SP/month or SP/minute
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.02.21 23:25:00 - [319] Originally by: Drykor If you could get CCP to include the character date of birth in the api (or is it already?), you could put that info on the character page as well, you could even do nifty calculations such as average SP/month or SP/minute somewhat pointless calculations considering how learning skills, implants and remaps have been gradually added ... it'll result in some equally "efficiently" trained alts at the top. .
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2010.02.22 16:48:00 - [320] Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: Drykor If you could get CCP to include the character date of birth in the api (or is it already?), you could put that info on the character page as well, you could even do nifty calculations such as average SP/month or SP/minute somewhat pointless calculations considering how learning skills, implants and remaps have been gradually added ... it'll result in some equally "efficiently" trained alts at the top. True, but it'd be interesting just to see who is the oldest. I'm just a young one. Didn't start until 2 weeks after release. --- All 392 skills trained. Tripoli on EveBoard.com Tripoli on EVE-Sheet.com
Eros Fama	Posted - 2010.02.23 22:26:00 - [321] Hi Chribba, I let my account expire last week and re-activated but a week later i still get this Automatic API Update disabled, Reason: Login denied by account status. any clues ? thanks for your efforts anyway much appreciated

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.23 22:40:00 - [322] Originally by: Eros Fama Hi Chribba, I let my account expire last week and re-activated but a week later i still get this Automatic API Update disabled, Reason: Login denied by account status. any clues ? thanks for your efforts anyway much appreciated As your account was inactive, so was your API and [eb] disables characters with inactive API to save resources, however all you need to do (hopefully) is log in with your API details once again to activate it again. Else, let me know. /c Secure 3rd party service

Erialor Godsent Gallente Federal Navy Support Divison	Posted - 2010.02.24 16:46:00 - [323] Edited by: Erialor Godsent on 24/02/2010 16:46:03 Ranks shows me ranked 3.831 in Drones (with 512k SP) even though I have roughly 17mill SP in drones - anything changed recently? --

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.25 08:59:00 - [324] Originally by: Erialor Godsent Edited by: Erialor Godsent on 24/02/2010 17:16:41 Edited by: Erialor Godsent on 24/02/2010 16:46:03 Ranks shows me ranked 3.831 in Drones (with 512k SP) even though I have roughly 17mill SP in drones - anything changed recently? Seems like it updated and shows me fine now Most likely an import error which like you noticed sorted itself upon the next run kinda. I am trying to monitor such errors though but it's not all that easy to catch them while they are there. Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.03 11:56:00 - [325] Chribba, is it any chance that you can add a page similar to the Blueprint list that show meta 0 and meta 5 modules/ammo/drones that you can use?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.03.03 12:19:00 - [326] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Chribba, is it any chance that you can add a page similar to the Blueprint list that show meta 0 and meta 5 modules/ammo/drones that you can use? Just meta 0 and 5? Or all? A module-type of listing is on the drawingboard already. Also character comparison should be online later today, also some ranking/update bugs have been fixed which hopefully will result in no more duplicate skills etc taking over the ranks like it has in the past. /c Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.03 13:00:00 - [327] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Mashie Saldana Chribba, is it any chance that you can add a page similar to the Blueprint list that show meta 0 and meta 5 modules/ammo/drones that you can use? Just meta 0 and 5? Or all? A module-type of listing is on the drawingboard already. Also character comparison should be online later today, also some ranking/update bugs have been fixed which hopefully will result in no more duplicate skills etc taking over the ranks like it has in the past. /c Well if you can use meta 0 you can also use meta 1-4, this way the whole list can be reduced by two thirds from six to two entries per item type. I'm looking forward to mess around with the character comparision page. Also, is it any quick fix to delete uploaded sig backgrounds that no longer are needed? After you have experimented a while with various layouts the image list is getting pretty big.
Florio Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.03.03 13:32:00 - [328] Under "Ranks" it would be nice to be able to jump to the corresponding Global Ranking category by clicking on your ranking number (or where-ever).
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.03 14:25:00 - [329] I guess the char compare feature is still getting added as I see the new menu options but all they do is kick you to the frontpgae if you select add.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.03.03 14:33:00 - [330] Originally by: Mashie Saldana I guess the char compare feature is still getting added as I see the new menu options but all they do is kick you to the frontpgae if you select add. Error on my side, forgot to remove the redirect. Should work now. Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.03 14:49:00 - [331] Now it works, found another little bug though. On this page, I can remove Mashie and Monica but I can't remove Dominique.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.03.03 14:56:00 - [332] Sorted. Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.03 15:10:00 - [333] Cool, how are the points calculated? Also I might just be half blind here but with the colour scheme for the numbers it is pretty hard to see the difference between the green and the grey on the black background. Maybe making the green bold would help to highlight it better?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.03.03 15:26:00 - [334] The points are really just one per level of the skill. Not sure what type of calculations there need to be there. Will take a look at the color scheme as well. Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.03 16:37:00 - [335] Originally by: Chribba The points are really just one per level of the skill. If that is the case the calculations must be off as 36 + 4102 + 5*96 somehow is 2496 points (the score for this char). Also another bug on the comparision page, if you click on the portrait you end up on the eve-search.com statistics page for the char. If you click on the char name you end up on the correct eveboard page though.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.03.03 20:36:00 - [336] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 03/03/2010 16:47:54 Originally by: Chribba The points are really just one per level of the skill. If that is the case the calculations must be off as 36 + 4102 + 5*96 somehow is 2496 points (the score for this char). Maybe give 1 point for each skill the char is best in unless it is a draw where neither get a point? Also another bug on the comparision page, if you click on the portrait you end up on the eve-search.com statistics page for the char. If you click on the char name you end up on the correct eveboard page though. Will look into the calculations of them points. As for the links - working as intended Secure 3rd party service

Drykor Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.03.04 23:53:00 - [337] When comparing pilots, I think the amount of SP per skillgroup should be listed under/above the group. It's pretty hard to compare stuff now as you can only see skill-levels of individual skills and the total SP. Also, maybe having the same skill-level should be a different colour, keep green for when a skill on one side is actually higher. That might not be as easy when comparing more than 2 chars though, but I'm sure you'll figure out a nice solution.
Noobie Noobsen Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.07 10:32:00 - [338] what about a feature, that shows the xps / hour in relation to the date of birth of the character? it shows how effective you skilled your character. i know, dr c. will be on top, but the top ten or twenty could be interesting.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.03.07 13:12:00 - [339] Edited by: Amateratsu on 07/03/2010 13:12:32 Originally by: Noobie Noobsen what about a feature, that shows the xps / hour in relation to the date of birth of the character? it shows how effective you skilled your character. i know, dr c. will be on top, but the top ten or twenty could be interesting. Would be interesting, however since the characters D.O.B is not currently included in the api data it would be quite difficult to implement For chribba, could you add certificates to character comparisons? and maybe have an [i] box showing what skills are needed to get a certificate in the comparison? á
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2010.03.07 23:13:00 - [340] Pic1 Pic2 Who has stolen our ranks!? Eveboard Viggen
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.07 23:21:00 - [341] Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 07/03/2010 23:21:13 Originally by: Viggen Pic1 Pic2 Who has stolen our ranks!? I got that earlier, jus thad to hit refresh a few times. Oh and I have just finished my new supercharged [eb] sig
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2010.03.07 23:30:00 - [342] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 07/03/2010 23:21:13 Originally by: Viggen Pic1 Pic2 Who has stolen our ranks!? I got that earlier, jus thad to hit refresh a few times. Oh and I have just finished my new supercharged [eb] sig Tried refreshing many times with no luck, on both explorer and firefox. Also anyone with a [eb] ranking figure in there forum sig doesnt have it showing either. Love your new supercharged sig though btw :) Eveboard Viggen
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.07 23:38:00 - [343] Originally by: Viggen Tried refreshing many times with no luck, on both explorer and firefox. Also anyone with a [eb] ranking figure in there forum sig doesnt have it showing either. Love your new supercharged sig though btw :) I guess Chribba need to give the database some Veldlove then as it was complaining about locked tables and stuff when I tried earlier.
Juwi Kotch Fiat Iustitia	Posted - 2010.03.08 08:58:00 - [344] Obviously Chribbas rank-calculator is down since Sunday afternoon (GMT). Maybe he is doing some maintenance work or (gasp) implementing all our special wishes ... Support the Bounty Hunter Profession!
Cherubior Pernicious Creed	Posted - 2010.03.08 11:28:00 - [345] love it♥ ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------
Wired Workhorse Industries	Posted - 2010.03.09 20:33:00 - [346] I like this, thank you for creating it. I have however found a few minor display issues. I apologise if these have already been raised somewhere. Looking at my char and ships i can't fly Linkage The hyperion is showing within the Amarr section (There is no gallente section) There is no 'tag' for pirate BS The 'I can't fly Nid' image looks a bit broken The cruiser section is expanded for no reason (I think this is linked to pirate ships) The gold Magnate does not appear withi the frig > Amarr section The 'I can't fly Hel' image looks a bit broken Within the 'Ships I can fly' section Me Again Amarr BS arent't within the BS > Amarr section (there isn't one) I should leave my 'QA Hat' at work ============================================= My sig got edited, and all i got was a lousy e-mail

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.03.09 22:14:00 - [347] My apologies about the ranks. Apparently taking vacation seems to be a jinx on my services as some things seem to cause issues when I don't have the ability to log on... Should be fixed now and I'll look closer into everything tomorrow when I've recovered from the travelling. /c Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.16 00:41:00 - [348] At the current rate of people joining I will be amazed if I'm still ranked in the top 1000 this summer. Contact me for custom [eb] signatures.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.03.16 08:52:00 - [349] Originally by: Mashie Saldana At the current rate of people joining I will be amazed if I'm still ranked in the top 1000 this summer. Tell me about it When i first joined eb i was ranked #1 for a while, now its a constant battle to keep my rank from dropping on a daily basis. so i feel your pain EB is definately getting too popular á
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2010.03.16 20:37:00 - [350] It still bothers me that being tied in a category doesn't always give you the rank you deserve. For instance, in Number of Skills I'm tied for 1st, but my rank always shows 2nd. Seems like the 4-way tie should grant each of us 1st. All 392 Skills Trained.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.03.16 21:14:00 - [351] Originally by: Tripoli It still bothers me that being tied in a category doesn't always give you the rank you deserve. For instance, in Number of Skills I'm tied for 1st, but my rank always shows 2nd. Seems like the 4-way tie should grant each of us 1st. Unfortunately its not that simple. Take the Learning Catagory for example which currently has over 560 players tied with the same max sp for that rank. Giving them all 1st place would not make sense, and in what order do you list those 500+ players all with a rank of #1. I think what we have now is the best solution in that you can still take that elusive 1st place by improving your global rank. I have maxed out learning the same as the other 560 odd players but am ranked #81 in that section, but that does not bother me as i know that will improve as i raise my global rank. á
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2010.03.16 21:31:00 - [352] Originally by: Amateratsu ...you can still take that elusive 1st place by improving your global rank. So, my being "2nd" in skill count is determined by me being 2nd in global rank in our 4-way tie? That sounds reasonable. All 392 Skills Trained.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.03.16 22:13:00 - [353] Originally by: Tripoli Originally by: Amateratsu ...you can still take that elusive 1st place by improving your global rank. So, my being "2nd" in skill count is determined by me being 2nd in global rank in our 4-way tie? That sounds reasonable. Exactly, where 1 or more chars are equal in a catagory, your position is determined by your global rank. Viggen gets 1st place because he is ranked #9 globally where you are ranked #21, so you can still overtake him globally and take 1st place in #skills. á
Kithran	Posted - 2010.03.17 08:55:00 - [354] Originally by: Amateratsu Originally by: Tripoli Originally by: Amateratsu ...you can still take that elusive 1st place by improving your global rank. So, my being "2nd" in skill count is determined by me being 2nd in global rank in our 4-way tie? That sounds reasonable. Exactly, where 1 or more chars are equal in a catagory, your position is determined by your global rank. Viggen gets 1st place because he is ranked #9 globally where you are ranked #21, so you can still overtake him globally and take 1st place in #skills. I'm not sure if that is correct. I'm currently 2nd in Untrained skills @75. Larshe is 3rd @74. My number of untrained skills has been bouncing around 73 - 75 recently and I've noticed that it seems to be when I am on 73 and inject another new skill I would stay at 3rd with both of us on 74. If I injected two new skills I would go to 2nd on 75 and stay on second when I dropped back to 74. Kithran
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.03.17 09:23:00 - [355] Edited by: Amateratsu on 17/03/2010 09:23:15 Originally by: Kithran I'm not sure if that is correct. I'm currently 2nd in Untrained skills @75. Larshe is 3rd @74. My number of untrained skills has been bouncing around 73 - 75 recently and I've noticed that it seems to be when I am on 73 and inject another new skill I would stay at 3rd with both of us on 74. If I injected two new skills I would go to 2nd on 75 and stay on second when I dropped back to 74. Kithran When your stats change, (injecting a new skill for example) eb will not always reflect those changes immediately. Usually when you request your chars sheet, eb will read your api data (providing it has not already done so within the last hour) to update your stats internally. It can then take upto 30 minutes for that update to show in your ranks, once you view your sheet. Globally you rank higher than Larshe by more than 400 pts so will get placed above him when your stats are equal. á
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2010.03.21 23:33:00 - [356] A few suggestions: - On a character's personal Ranks page, make the green category headings clickable links to the full lists for those categories. - Like the individual categories, show the points in small, gray text under your overall rank. Add a link to view that full list, as well. - Add new rankings: Number of ships you can fly, and number of blueprints you can use. --- All 392 skills trained.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.03.22 00:02:00 - [357] Originally by: Tripoli - Add new rankings: Number of ships you can fly, and number of blueprints you can use. would those be good categories for the global rank? thumbs up on all those suggestions though ... think I even had that link suggestion way back in the thread :( .

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.03.22 15:17:00 - [358] The suggestions are on the wish-list already yep, so it's a matter of getting enough time to sort it all out. But it's not forgotten, thanks Secure 3rd party service

0ne Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.27 10:21:00 - [359] Great site Chribba. ___________________________________________________________________________________
arjarj	Posted - 2010.03.27 10:46:00 - [360] my 3 acounts were banned falsely a month ago. took a mixture of me arselicking, verbal abusive behavior from my side and 3 levels of gamemasters + a month + to clear up, that they were mistaken. when logging into eveboard i get this message: Automatic API Update disabled, Reason: Login denied by account status. how to proceed?
0ne Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.27 11:11:00 - [361] Originally by: arjarj my 3 acounts were banned falsely a month ago. took a mixture of me arselicking, verbal abusive behavior from my side and 3 levels of gamemasters + a month + to clear up, that they were mistaken. when logging into eveboard i get this message: Automatic API Update disabled, Reason: Login denied by account status. how to proceed? Sounds like your APi was renewed. You need to re-enter/add the APi information to get your chars back on. ___________________________________________________________________________________
arjarj	Posted - 2010.03.27 11:17:00 - [362] evemon works fine thatswhy i doubt the api renewal part.
0ne Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.27 11:21:00 - [363] I believe if the site tried to take the info and was given the bad APi report, it won't try again, so you need to re-enter it. ___________________________________________________________________________________
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.03.27 11:52:00 - [364] Originally by: 0ne I believe if the site tried to take the info and was given the bad APi report, it won't try again, so you need to re-enter it. Login to eb with your api key, then on the page that lists your chars, click the save settings button for each character. (you don't need to change anything) eb will then start working again, and the bad api message will go away á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.03.27 15:18:00 - [365] Yep as stated, if the api gets error/denied it disables the characters from further updates to save resources. So simply log in with the api again and save and it should be brought back "online". Also there's a new corp-logo thing in the testing, so logos for some might show up as odd/wrong, this will be sorted as soon as the new logos are up to date. /c Secure 3rd party service

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.04.02 12:03:00 - [366] Chribba, did you just sneak in the character ship comparision feature or have I just managed to miss it? Godly scientist/builder/reverse engineer for sale

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.02 14:13:00 - [367] It's been there a while, but I never announced it (I think) so that's probably why Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.04.02 16:29:00 - [368] so, you adding nr of ships flown to the ranks page and global ranking calculation? ;) .
Kalanar Wrecking Shots Hostile Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.04 01:04:00 - [369] I would like to note that Chribba is not on Chribba's site. o.O
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.04.04 01:31:00 - [370] Originally by: Kalanar I would like to note that Chribba is not on Chribba's site. o.O It's because all characters using that site actually donate 1 unit of veldspar a day to Chribba ... if he had his character on that it would create an infinite loop and plunge the world into a veld hole (similar to a black hole but bigger ... less mass but more volume) .

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.04 08:38:00 - [371] My titan alt is on the site, isn't that enough? and it's that loop thing hehe @Ship ranks, it's on the todo list, but the listing isn't as simple as just pulling data since checking if a pilot has skills is done through some resource hogging functions, but I'm working on a suitable solution. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.04.10 16:44:00 - [372] I really love EVEboard! But there are features I miss here, which where found in InEVE.net. Like able to generate ranking lists of everyone in each cathegory. Like everyone ranked from top to bottom, for example in Global ranking, skillpoint ranking, skillranking, starship ranking etc. Why? Well, then you see those you have to beat to advance higher up in the hierarchy/ranking. Also it promotoes those who are less fortunate than those who shows up as ranked from 1 to 3. And its always great to see your character advance in the list! One day you are ranked as number 7000, the next 6500. Then 4000 etc etc. Watching your character advance is fun! But you feel a little left alone, when all those who are promoted are in the top 3 or top 10.. I also mentioned this to you earlier, but it would be quite lovable to see of how many you are ranked as? If you are ranked as number 42 (as I currently do) in "number of skills" kist, it would be great to see of among how many players! I know that at least 7000 have added their characters now, so maybe it would be nice to think about this feature? And a blog feature would be fantastico! All in all I love this site! Good work as always!!! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.04.10 19:37:00 - [373] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker I really love EVEboard! But there are features I miss here, which where found in InEVE.net. Like able to generate ranking lists of everyone in each cathegory. Like everyone ranked from top to bottom, for example in Global ranking, skillpoint ranking, skillranking, starship ranking etc. Why? Well, then you see those you have to beat to advance higher up in the hierarchy/ranking. I'm confused. Have you managed to miss the global ranking page with links to full rank in every category?
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.04.10 21:21:00 - [374] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker I really love EVEboard! But there are features I miss here, which where found in InEVE.net. Like able to generate ranking lists of everyone in each cathegory. Like everyone ranked from top to bottom, for example in Global ranking, skillpoint ranking, skillranking, starship ranking etc. Why? Well, then you see those you have to beat to advance higher up in the hierarchy/ranking. I'm confused. Have you managed to miss the global ranking page with links to full rank in every category? rofl. Yes I have. Thanks for pointing it out to me!! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.11 10:46:00 - [375] Glad I fixed that without having to fix it Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.04.11 13:03:00 - [376] Originally by: Chribba Glad I fixed that without having to fix it Since you solved that issue in no time I bet you could add the "view full list" links to the individual pilot rank pages as well in a similar timeframe.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.12 10:31:00 - [377] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Chribba Glad I fixed that without having to fix it Since you solved that issue in no time I bet you could add the "view full list" links to the individual pilot rank pages as well in a similar timeframe. Fixed. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.04.12 12:26:00 - [378] Originally by: Chribba Fixed. Impressive!
OVERBROW Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.12 20:27:00 - [379] Originally by: Chribba Feel free to give it a try and drop your suggestions and comments, as well of course do notify me of any bugs you may run into. Nice and clean... like it. Will be playing around with it. ----- mmopvp.blogspot.com -----
0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2010.04.13 04:00:00 - [380] Hey Chribba, that's an awesome site you have there, I love rankings ! Is there a way to include standings to the overall rank maybe ? There are 3 columns at [eb] when "Standings" is not hidden: "Faction standings", "NPC standings" and "Agents". "NPC Standings" and "Agents" might be difficult to incorporate, since some people have really a lot of them (maybe counting the number of corps/agents that someone have positive standing to into a rank ?), but the amount of entries in "Faction standing" is limited. Is it feasible to sum up the positive faction standings (the ones with a +, not counting + and - together, as then someone with a +10 for a faction and -10 for another is treated equally to someone with no faction standing at all) into a ranking column ? This could motivate our carebears to compete and compare to each other. If you could make an additional rank for negative faction standings (adding up all standings that start with a -) this would also be interesting for everyone who shoots NPC rats.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.13 06:42:00 - [381] A standings rank is in the works but no ETA when it will be available for full (ab)use. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.18 14:44:00 - [382] [eb] should now be back to normal after the harddrive that maintains the avatars and cache-files for [eb] and eve-search crashed. Please report any sheets not showing avatars/corplogos properly. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Deckington Forgecaster	Posted - 2010.04.18 20:54:00 - [383] Originally by: Chribba [eb] should now be back to normal after the harddrive that maintains the avatars and cache-files for [eb] and eve-search crashed. Please report any sheets not showing avatars/corplogos properly. /c My new alt page still has no Avatar? Still got a Big ! Name: Gamma Twlight

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.19 14:40:00 - [384] A new ranking category has been added Average faction standings, now you can see if you are overall a good pilot or not haha (and suprisingly the breed of good pilots are quite rare compared to the evil ones ). The faction ranking does NOT affect your global ranking. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2010.04.19 17:02:00 - [385] Originally by: Chribba A new ranking category has been added Average faction standings, now you can see if you are overall a good pilot or not haha (and suprisingly the breed of good pilots are quite rare compared to the evil ones ). The faction ranking does NOT affect your global ranking. /c Cool stuff. Too bad though that you combine the positive and negative standings into one number instead of separating them. This way the guys on the top have standings of 4 or 5, and the ones with the really high standings (which usually also have very low standings to the opposite faction) can't be found in the top 100. But I hope you'll make more columns soon :)
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers Independent Manufacturers Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.19 21:16:00 - [386] Chribba Any chance of putting something on the Rankings page (both the global page and the individual pages) highlighting which ranks count towards Global Rank and which ones don't? It could be as simple as having different backgrounds for those that do and those that don't. Cheers Drahcir
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2010.04.19 21:27:00 - [387] Chribba, Haven't read all the pages, quick question : In your opinion if a pilot is say ranked 100 on your board,what would his real rank be(if everyone registered on your board) ? I am guessing 15 times the rank on your site as a guess ? ta,and thanks for all your stuff over the years

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.20 06:25:00 - [388] @Drahcir, will look into it. @Bimjo, actually I have no idea, I'm not entierly sure it scales like that as I'm not really sure how well "average" represented the pilots are on the board. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Kithran	Posted - 2010.04.20 07:30:00 - [389] Originally by: Chribba A new ranking category has been added Average faction standings, now you can see if you are overall a good pilot or not haha (and suprisingly the breed of good pilots are quite rare compared to the evil ones ). The faction ranking does NOT affect your global ranking. /c Its actually not that surprising. If you kill rats (either in missions, exploration or belt rats) you will lose faction standing with no corresponding gain from opposing factions. If you run storyline missions you gain with some factions but lose with others. I try to keep positive standings with all empire factions however this leads to them maxing out at 5.something whilst all the pirate factions continue inevitably towards -10. Incidently are you planning on any sort of equivalent for corp standings? Kithran

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.20 09:28:00 - [390] I had NPC corp standings in mind yes, however since there are a lot more of those it would use a lot of resources, and the downside with the NPC corps is how to calculate standings. As of faction everyone gets an average value divided by 20 (since it's 20 factions) to get a "true" average, doing the same with NPC corps wouldn't be right I think. Since hardly everyone had a standing towards ALL npc corps. While most have to the factions. If I didn't divide by the number of npc corps a pilot could easily get 10.0 standing by always do something for one corp and not get hit by any other negative standing. So for now I'm not sure how to best include NPC corps if so. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2010.04.20 11:48:00 - [391] Originally by: Chribba I had NPC corp standings in mind yes, however since there are a lot more of those it would use a lot of resources, and the downside with the NPC corps is how to calculate standings. As of faction everyone gets an average value divided by 20 (since it's 20 factions) to get a "true" average, doing the same with NPC corps wouldn't be right I think. Since hardly everyone had a standing towards ALL npc corps. While most have to the factions. If I didn't divide by the number of npc corps a pilot could easily get 10.0 standing by always do something for one corp and not get hit by any other negative standing. So for now I'm not sure how to best include NPC corps if so. Maybe just add them up ? Not sure if that's feasible, but if for example a player has +7 +2 +0.5 -1, he gets 8.5 points. Another one might have +8 +6 +5 +5 +2 -3 -6 and gets 17 points.
Khan Vash'Taak	Posted - 2010.04.20 11:54:00 - [392] Hi Chribba, First of, thanks for all the great stuff you do, top man! I like the board alot, but for some people who may have defective colour and contrast problems with their eyes the ship section can be confusing. Simply put, the contrast difference between ships you can and cannot fly is very slight. I'm not sure how many people have this issue, probably not many. Would it be possible to put a high contrast border around the ship images that can be flown? In reality a thin white border would be perfect. Thanks for reading. Khan
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:20:00 - [393] Congratualations Chribba to reach 10k characters on [eb].

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.24 14:52:00 - [394] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Congratualations Chribba to reach 10k characters on [eb]. Thanks a lol wtf I didn't even notice that myself and I run the shuzzle But the real thanks is to all of you pilots of New Eden, if it wasn't for me it wouldn't be what it is - so my humble thanks to everyone participating with their information /bows. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.04.24 17:03:00 - [395] Originally by: Chribba But the real thanks is to all of you pilots of New Eden, if it wasn't for me it wouldn't be what it is - so my humble thanks to everyone participating with their information /bows. Are you saying you are every eve player Congrats and thanks for all the services you provide to all of us.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.24 17:32:00 - [396] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Chribba But the real thanks is to all of you pilots of New Eden, if it wasn't for me it wouldn't be what it is - so my humble thanks to everyone participating with their information /bows. Are you saying you are every eve player Congrats and thanks for all the services you provide to all of us. crap I'm drunker than I thought... :/ I of course meant you all. My apologies. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Belmorn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.04.26 17:54:00 - [397] Hey just noticed a glitch on my characters Sheet. When I go to look at his certificates it shows them all but doesn't seem to count one. Not a big deal just thought you should know. By the way great site.
Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:08:00 - [398] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Chribba But the real thanks is to all of you pilots of New Eden, if it wasn't for me it wouldn't be what it is - so my humble thanks to everyone participating with their information /bows. Are you saying you are every eve player Congrats and thanks for all the services you provide to all of us. crap I'm drunker than I thought... :/ I of course meant you all. My apologies. When Chribba is drunk, he says what he really means :P
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:10:00 - [399] Originally by: Chribba Thanks a lol wtf I didn't even notice that myself and I run the shuzzle I'm glad the new global stats panel will help you notice when you hit the 20k barrier: Quote: Tracking 312.08 billion SP and 8.06 trillion ISK in 10,318 pilots! Interesting average stats for [eb] users: 30.2m SP and 781m ISK.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.27 14:16:00 - [400] a small sneak peek of what is in the making... Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.04.27 15:01:00 - [401] Originally by: Chribba a small sneak peek of what is in the making... You do have a certain habit of finding issues that needs fixing, such as the combat log analyzer that has been broken since the weapon grouping was introduced. I'm looking forward to see the working version of that screenshot.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.28 18:02:00 - [402] Edited by: Chribba on 28/04/2010 18:02:57 If anyone of you have combat logs that you want to share with me to test stuff feel free to email them to support that-little-a-sign eve-files.com (zipped preferebly). What I am looking for is a mix of turrets/missiles, same for incoming fire. Full damage notifications as well as simple. Grouped weapons and non-grouped. The more enemies (fleet or mission) the better as it gives more info to spot bugs at. Or just poke me in-game for more details. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Ford Chicago Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.04.30 21:02:00 - [403] Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 28/04/2010 18:02:57 If anyone of you have combat logs that you want to share with me to test stuff feel free to email them to support that-little-a-sign eve-files.com (zipped preferebly). What I am looking for is a mix of turrets/missiles, same for incoming fire. Full damage notifications as well as simple. Grouped weapons and non-grouped. The more enemies (fleet or mission) the better as it gives more info to spot bugs at. Or just poke me in-game for more details. /c What, Veldspar doesn't shoot back? Combat Analyzer looks great.
Mean Molly	Posted - 2010.05.03 12:48:00 - [404] Chribba could you explain how the overall rank point is calculated? --- Live and learn, die and learn more! http://www.dukefoss.com/eve/
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2010.05.03 15:19:00 - [405] Originally by: Mean Molly Chribba could you explain how the overall rank point is calculated? From page 6 of this thread: [Average of] Skillpoints, Number of skills, Number of Lv5, 4 and 3 skills, all individual skill category (mechanic, industry etc), number of certificates, number of elite certificates, ISK and skill value. --- All 392 skills trained.
Mean Molly	Posted - 2010.05.03 20:20:00 - [406] Originally by: Tripoli Originally by: Mean Molly Chribba could you explain how the overall rank point is calculated? From page 6 of this thread: [Average of] Skillpoints, Number of skills, Number of Lv5, 4 and 3 skills, all individual skill category (mechanic, industry etc), number of certificates, number of elite certificates, ISK and skill value. Thanks for pointing it out. Missed it amongst all the posts. I think this rating could be improved upon, as it dont always makes sence. take for instance: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Drahcir_Nasom/ranks Since he doesnt have any level 3 skills he is penalised with a 1000 rank position... Also it doesnt make sense to measure who is best at level 3 or 4 skills when level 5 is the ultimate goal!? If a straight average is used aswell then the isk you got in your wallet (which fluktuates for most of us) is just as important as skillpoints. Id like to suggest a new formula that ass a veight to the diffrent measurements: Skillpoint * 4 Skillnumber * 3 Level 5 skill * 2 Certificates * 2 Elite sertificates * 1.5 Skill value * 1 Piloted ships * 1 Blueprints used * 1 Modules used * 1 (Isk * 0.5) Since all pilots have score in theese categories (except isk) it would be more fair, and reflect better the true "Bestness" of a character IMHO. --- Live and learn, die and learn more! http://www.dukefoss.com/eve/
Toilarmius	Posted - 2010.05.03 23:51:00 - [407] Chribba, As a new player, thanks for creating such a neat system to use. Appreciate it greatly. Question, for anyone, my picture isn't showing up on my sheet. What do I have to do to make that happen? Love the wealth of information to be seen and sorted through. Thanks again.
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.04 00:31:00 - [408] Originally by: Toilarmius Chribba, As a new player, thanks for creating such a neat system to use. Appreciate it greatly. Question, for anyone, my picture isn't showing up on my sheet. What do I have to do to make that happen? Love the wealth of information to be seen and sorted through. Thanks again. It will show up once you have a picture on the forums. Just be a little patient.
Dragonmede	Posted - 2010.05.04 04:46:00 - [409] I haven't looked through all 15 pages of this thread, so I don't know if this has been addressed yet, but here it goes... I just recently registered with eveboard and I have noticed a few things. 1) I'm trying to sell this character, and I don't see where jump clones are listed for the characters. Do jump clones get transferred with the character? If so it would be nice to have them listed. 2) After registering, I jumped from a no-implant clone to my +3 implant clone. It now doesn't appear that the site updates very quickly (if at all). It would be nice for my potential buyers to see that I do actually have implants. Other than that, It's a pretty nice site. Dragonmede

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.05.04 06:37:00 - [410] Originally by: Mean Molly Edited by: Mean Molly on 03/05/2010 21:19:47 Originally by: Tripoli Originally by: Mean Molly Chribba could you explain how the overall rank point is calculated? From page 6 of this thread: [Average of] Skillpoints, Number of skills, Number of Lv5, 4 and 3 skills, all individual skill category (mechanic, industry etc), number of certificates, number of elite certificates, ISK and skill value. Thanks for pointing it out. Missed it amongst all the posts. I think this rating could be improved upon, as it dont always makes sence. take for instance: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Drahcir_Nasom/ranks Since he doesnt have any level 3 skills he is penalised with a 1000 rank position... Also it doesnt make sense to measure who is best at level 3 or 4 skills when level 5 is the ultimate goal!? If a straight average is used aswell then the isk you got in your wallet (which fluktuates for most of us) is just as important as skillpoints. Id like to suggest a new formula that ass a veight to the diffrent measurements: Skillpoint * 4 Skillnumber * 3 Level 5 skill * 2 Certificates * 2 Elite sertificates * 1.5 Piloted ships * 1 Blueprints used * 1 Modules used * 1 Skill value * 0.5 (Isk * 0.5) Since all pilots have score in theese categories (except isk) it would be more fair, and reflect better the true "Bestness" of a character IMHO. If there's a need for the values to be overlooked again I'm all for discussing out the best calculations with everyone. Anyone else have comments on the above suggestion? I can see a problem now with the Piloted ships/blueprints/modules - the calculation needed to make those will be a pain, seeing as they'd need to be calculated every time unless I recode the whole rank functions. As it is now ranks can be pretty much calculated on the fly with a single query (takes 1-2 seconds atm for all pilots) but the number of rows generated by ship/bp/modules would be a lot (and the nesting even worse). Originally by: Dragonmede I haven't looked through all 15 pages of this thread, so I don't know if this has been addressed yet, but here it goes... I just recently registered with eveboard and I have noticed a few things. 1) I'm trying to sell this character, and I don't see where jump clones are listed for the characters. Do jump clones get transferred with the character? If so it would be nice to have them listed. 2) After registering, I jumped from a no-implant clone to my +3 implant clone. It now doesn't appear that the site updates very quickly (if at all). It would be nice for my potential buyers to see that I do actually have implants. Other than that, It's a pretty nice site. Dragonmede The API does not list jump clones afaik, as for the implants they should update as soon as the API updates as well (so once an hour) if the implants does not update it could be either the API now giving correct details if the char was just transferred or a bug on my side. If you are still seeing the implant problem let me know what char and I will look into it. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

oil Double-L	Posted - 2010.05.04 07:22:00 - [411] imo isk in wallet should be removed from any ranking. what has that to do with skillranks?
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.04 07:45:00 - [412] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Mean Molly Id like to suggest a new formula that ass a veight to the diffrent measurements: Skillpoint * 4 Skillnumber * 3 Level 5 skill * 2 Certificates * 2 Elite sertificates * 1.5 Piloted ships * 1 Blueprints used * 1 Modules used * 1 Skill value * 0.5 (Isk * 0.5) Since all pilots have score in theese categories (except isk) it would be more fair, and reflect better the true "Bestness" of a character IMHO. If there's a need for the values to be overlooked again I'm all for discussing out the best calculations with everyone. Anyone else have comments on the above suggestion? I can see a problem now with the Piloted ships/blueprints/modules - the calculation needed to make those will be a pain, seeing as they'd need to be calculated every time unless I recode the whole rank functions. As it is now ranks can be pretty much calculated on the fly with a single query (takes 1-2 seconds atm for all pilots) but the number of rows generated by ship/bp/modules would be a lot (and the nesting even worse). As someone who also is penalised for having a "clean" skill sheet I wouldn't mind seeing level 0-4 skills removed from the ranking calculations. Maybe something like this: Skillpoint * 3 Level 5 skill * 2 Skillnumber * 1.5 Elite certificates * 1.5 Certificates * 1 Skill value * 1
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2010.05.04 10:11:00 - [413] The problem I see with just having lvl 5 skills counted, is that there are many low rank lvl 5's that take no time at all to get, compared to others just to get to lvl 4. Example, subsystems, 20 of them at rank 1 doesnt take long to train up and would boost the owners ranking in no time. There are many high ranking skills that take a lot longer just to get to lvl 4. Also you'd could end up with the similar Drahcir Nasom problem again. Someone could have a couple hundred lvl 4 skills and it would count for nothing yet the character would be very capable with that many lvl 4's. Eveboard Viggen
Mean Molly	Posted - 2010.05.04 11:59:00 - [414] Originally by: Viggen The problem I see with just having lvl 5 skills counted, is that there are many low rank lvl 5's that take no time at all to get, compared to others just to get to lvl 4. Example, subsystems, 20 of them at rank 1 doesnt take long to train up and would boost the owners ranking in no time. There are many high ranking skills that take a lot longer just to get to lvl 4. Also you'd could end up with the similar Drahcir Nasom problem again. Someone could have a couple hundred lvl 4 skills and it would count for nothing yet the character would be very capable with that many lvl 4's. However this is offset by the larger value of skillpoint. But skillpoint don't show what you can DO with your skills. IE if you train all the wrong skill so you cannot fly any ships or use any t2 modules or any BPO. Originally by: Chribba Anyone else have comments on the above suggestion? I can see a problem now with the Piloted ships/blueprints/modules - the calculation needed to make those will be a pain, seeing as they'd need to be calculated every time unless I recode the whole rank functions. As it is now ranks can be pretty much calculated on the fly with a single query (takes 1-2 seconds atm for all pilots) but the number of rows generated by ship/bp/modules would be a lot (and the nesting even worse). I understand the "need for speed" both in Eve and in eveboard Would it be possible to calculate and cache the bpo, ships and modules just once every day? Except for fresh characters any changes to these categories are slow and dont need 10min refresh rates. --- Live and learn, die and learn more! http://www.dukefoss.com/eve/
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.04 13:07:00 - [415] Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 04/05/2010 13:07:34 Originally by: Viggen Edited by: Viggen on 04/05/2010 11:55:33 The problem I see with just having lvl 5 skills counted, is that there are many low rank lvl 5's that take no time at all to get, compared to others just to get to lvl 4. Example, subsystems, 20 of them at rank 1 doesnt take long to train up and would boost the owners ranking in no time. There are many high ranking skills that take a lot longer just to get to lvl 4. Just count the number of ranks at level 5 skills then.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.05.04 18:32:00 - [416] I think its fine as it is currently, a 1000 pt penaltie for having no skills at lv3 divided by the 28 catagorys currently counted is a very small number that will have little impact on your overall score... Maybe add a rank for #skills at lv3 and above instead of individule level ranks along with total sp in lv3 and above skills? I have no objection to piloted ships/modules/blueprints being added to the ranks if a way can be found to implement them without killing the eb servers. á
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.04 18:35:00 - [417] Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 04/05/2010 18:36:04 nvm
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare	Posted - 2010.05.04 18:55:00 - [418] The ships page is amazing! The one thing I've always wanted, and I didn't even have to ask, Chribba is physic! All hail Chribba!
Eireen Harvenheit Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.08 21:23:00 - [419] Hi Chribba, very nice page i must say. I have admit i didn't quite read all of the 14 pages here (too much sorry), but i have small problem with the site. There are 2 pictures of character bigger one (directly in profile) and smaller one (used for example for signatures). My problem lies in the fact that these 2 differ. Big one is the right one. Small one is the one i used long time ago (i used function of making new portrait in the past). Is there any way how can one fix this? ----------------------------- EvE Mobile Skill Planner guide for Windows Mobile based devices

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.05.08 23:58:00 - [420] Originally by: Eireen Harvenheit Hi Chribba, very nice page i must say. I have admit i didn't quite read all of the 14 pages here (too much sorry), but i have small problem with the site. There are 2 pictures of character bigger one (directly in profile) and smaller one (used for example for signatures). My problem lies in the fact that these 2 differ. Big one is the right one. Small one is the one i used long time ago (i used function of making new portrait in the past). Is there any way how can one fix this? Portraits refreshed, but tbh the old one looked better imo Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Eireen Harvenheit Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.09 07:05:00 - [421] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Eireen Harvenheit Hi Chribba, very nice page i must say. I have admit i didn't quite read all of the 14 pages here (too much sorry), but i have small problem with the site. There are 2 pictures of character bigger one (directly in profile) and smaller one (used for example for signatures). My problem lies in the fact that these 2 differ. Big one is the right one. Small one is the one i used long time ago (i used function of making new portrait in the past). Is there any way how can one fix this? Portraits refreshed, but tbh the old one looked better imo Thanks for refresh and thanks for feedback good sir. Does the refresh happen manually only? In the case i would be switching to new portrait again :). ----------------------------- EvE Mobile Skill Planner guide for Windows Mobile based devices
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers Independent Manufacturers Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.09 11:15:00 - [422] Edited by: Drahcir Nasom on 09/05/2010 11:21:11 Originally by: Viggen Edited by: Viggen on 04/05/2010 11:55:33 The problem I see with just having lvl 5 skills counted, is that there are many low rank lvl 5's that take no time at all to get, compared to others just to get to lvl 4. Example, subsystems, 20 of them at rank 1 doesnt take long to train up and would boost the owners ranking in no time. There are many high ranking skills that take a lot longer just to get to lvl 4. Also you'd could end up with the similar Drahcir Nasom problem again. Someone could have a couple hundred lvl 4 skills and it would count for nothing yet the character would be very capable with that many lvl 4's. EDIT: Also I think removing the skillpoint categories ranks from the calculation is a bad idea. Remember, this is Global "Overall" rank we're talking about here. Someone who has maxed out all lvl 5's in say spaceship command and gunnery would make a nice pvp character sure, but doesnt make them very good "Overall" in all aspects of Eve. Therefore including the skillpoint category ranks into the calculation generates a better picture on the characters "Overall" capabilities. I agree with Viggen, although I do object to being referred to as "the Drahcir Nasom problem" Just because I have lots of lvl 5s, doesn't make me the best "Overall" character, in the same way that Qual having nearly half his SP in Science or Tozz having over half his in Spaceship Command makes them the best "Overall" character, because they are low down the standings in other skill areas. I am well aware that I have big shortcomings in the gunnery/missiles/ships skill groups, and wanting to get myself further up the global ranking means I'm going to have to remap to Perc/Will soon. I would have done it back in March when I could, but I want to get the PI skills done when Tyrannis comes out so I'm waiting until after them to remap. On the other hand, I agree with Mean Molly and Oil that isk ought to be removed from the global ranking. A lot of people are penalised because they don't want others to see what they have in their wallets, and the only reason I don't have it hidden is because it is included in the global rankings, if it wsn't, I would definitely hide it. Drahcir

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.05.09 12:18:00 - [423] Originally by: Eireen Harvenheit Thanks for refresh and thanks for feedback good sir. Does the refresh happen manually only? In the case i would be switching to new portrait again :). Yeah the portraits are pulled from EVE-Search portrait cache and thus will not refesh unless I manually delete the portraits in question from the cache first. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.05.14 11:42:00 - [424] The combat log analyzer is now open for beta. Input and ideas and missing features are most welcome. Note that the tables will be cleaned now and then until it's ready for real use. You do not need to be logged in to analyze logs, however if you want the log to state "verified" you need to be logged in with the account the log belongs to ([eb]). This "verified" ONLY states that the character posting the log actually have api access to the same character, it does not verify that the log hasn't been edited (since that's impossible to verify). Combat Log Analyzer The analyzer will be tied into [eb] as whole when it's ready and more features has been added etc. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare	Posted - 2010.05.16 20:19:00 - [425] Nice, I like the combat log analyzer, I've wanted one for a long time. It's really too bad the logs don't show more interesting stuff (range the shots were taken with, weapon/ammo type, drones, etc). There's only so much you can do with the current ones. Now for the real reason for this post (as though Chribba praise wasn't enough). A while back you mentioned tying eveboards and eve-agents together, so that if you had an API updated you could search eve-agents for only agents available to you (and possibly some other neat stuff I haven't even though of yet). Is this still planned?
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.19 16:52:00 - [426] Originally by: Chribba The combat log analyzer is now open for beta. Input and ideas and missing features are most welcome. I managed to break it in the second attempt.
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:47:00 - [427] So, any ETA on getting EB set up to display the new skills properly? (I'm impatient, I know.) At present, it's got Remote Sensing displaying as Remote Interfaces, and there is no Planet Management skill category yet. --- 396 of 397 skills trained.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:38:00 - [428] Originally by: Tripoli So, any ETA on getting EB set up to display the new skills properly? (I'm impatient, I know.) At present, it's got Remote Sensing displaying as Remote Interfaces, and there is no Planet Management skill category yet. Hopefully as soon as the dump is released. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:51:00 - [429] Originally by: Chribba Hopefully as soon as the dump is released. Nice, that should also fix the small annoyance in the BPO page as CCP finally has removed the cruise missiles skill as a requirement to build faction launchers.
Shionoya Risa The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services	Posted - 2010.05.28 20:16:00 - [430] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Tripoli So, any ETA on getting EB set up to display the new skills properly? (I'm impatient, I know.) At present, it's got Remote Sensing displaying as Remote Interfaces, and there is no Planet Management skill category yet. Hopefully as soon as the dump is released. You shouldn't need it, I have most of the details you'd need on them, such as group and itemID's, ship me a mail if you'd like them. :) -----
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers Independent Manufacturers Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.29 10:50:00 - [431] Chribba When are we going to get the Planetary Management group included in the rankings? Drahcir

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.08 11:24:00 - [432] PI stuff should now be added. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2010.06.08 14:40:00 - [433] It is, but the skill "Remote Interfaces" is still showing up under my Science skill tree. It's not being counted in the rankings, but it still doesn't belong there, as much as I'd like it to stay. --- All 397 skills trained.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.06.08 17:23:00 - [434] Originally by: Chribba PI stuff should now be added. /c The new PI skill catagory dose'nt appear to be counted towards the global rank? Do you plan to add that? it is a main skill catagory á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.08 20:10:00 - [435] Edited by: Chribba on 08/06/2010 20:14:30 Thought the ranks got included, must have missed some line in the code there. Will look into it. As for the skill showing up under Science is probably because it's listed there in the db dump. Will also move it to the right category. edit/Remote Interfaces? Is that a skill or not, I can't find it in-game? /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2010.06.08 22:06:00 - [436] CCP loves messing with us like that. Remote Interfaces was a skill that's been in the database, but not on TQ, for a long time. I guess they decided to recycle its ID and rename it for use in PI. Why? Your guess is as good as mine. --- All 397 skills trained.
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.06.09 09:10:00 - [437] "Republic Fleet Cruise Missile Launcher Blueprint" is still showing the wrong requirement in the BPO list as it no longer needs cruise missiles 1 to be built.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.09 11:46:00 - [438] Originally by: Mashie Saldana "Republic Fleet Cruise Missile Launcher Blueprint" is still showing the wrong requirement in the BPO list as it no longer needs cruise missiles 1 to be built. It lists two science skills on your char now, is that correct? Had to re-run all scripts to update all sections, ships should now also be updated with last tournaments ships lol Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.06.10 10:35:00 - [439] Originally by: Chribba It lists two science skills on your char now, is that correct? Had to re-run all scripts to update all sections, ships should now also be updated with last tournaments ships lol It's still broken and it occured on my recently sold char. That BPO should no longer need the cruise missiles skill according to the patch notes.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.10 10:46:00 - [440] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Chribba It lists two science skills on your char now, is that correct? Had to re-run all scripts to update all sections, ships should now also be updated with last tournaments ships lol It's still broken and it occured on my recently sold char. That BPO should no longer need the cruise missiles skill according to the patch notes. Sorted now. This is due to the lookup table I use - which is not a CCP release, so there may be other prints also showing skills that are changed. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Vilgan i'Lakin Pirates and Ninjas	Posted - 2010.06.11 16:39:00 - [441] 2 suggestions/requests: 1) Please either remove NPC corporations from the corporation ranking stuff or alternatively, please have a 2nd ranking that is PC corps only. The corporation ranking is kind of cool but a lot less interesting when 8 of the top 10 for skill points are NPC corps. 2) Adding a corporation rank for total isk of its members might be fun as well.
dosperado Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2010.06.15 15:59:00 - [442] Can you remove the cheat entries pls....? Highest total attributes 1. Anonymous 218.90 2. Chef SeTi 185.76 and so on and so on... And there is no valid eve char with a security status of 9.97. :-) As proven by the quarterly economic newsletter I have the highest value...(except the GM accounts) ____________________ Security Status No.#1
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.06.15 19:44:00 - [443] Originally by: dosperado Can you remove the cheat entries pls....? Highest total attributes 1. Anonymous 218.90 2. Chef SeTi 185.76 and so on and so on... And there is no valid eve char with a security status of 9.97. :-) As proven by the quarterly economic newsletter I have the highest value...(except the GM accounts) I think you'll find those are tempory glitches where the database has not cleard properly on update, it happens occasionally Since eveboard is all done by api, i know of no way to cheat it:) á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.16 10:10:00 - [444] Edited by: Chribba on 16/06/2010 10:19:09 Yep what Amateratsu said, it happends at times and usually clears itself on the next API update and rank recount - however if a character keeps sticking at those odd values a manual fix may need to be applied, if so just keep notify me of such entries and I will look into it. Thanks edit/As for the Security Status guy, he actually is 10.0 in-game... So that 9.97 is accurate. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

dosperado Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2010.06.16 21:12:00 - [445] Hmm then maybe I know him.. Unfortunately its not a normal player account. ____________________ Security Status No.#1

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.16 22:40:00 - [446] @dosperado Yes you pretty much got the description of the pilot correct. As for it being a normal or not normal account, that's nothing I know anything about. The pilot is in a normal corporation any the history does not show any ISD corp or similar so I have no idea about the status of the account, beside that it looks like any other in terms of being able to pull API info. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.06.17 20:24:00 - [447] What has thou done to the global ranks chribs? The global scores have jumped from 600 to 2000 pts and i've gone from position 90 to 14.... Plus a #n of the ranks are showing - no data? As much as i love the boost in rank, this has got to be a mix up? á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.18 06:27:00 - [448] @Amateratsu I did make major changes to the way [eb] updates data yesterday (to sort out resource problems) seems something might not have gone properly with the new rank functions indeeed, I noticed it during my tests but solved it - or so I thought. I will look into it again. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.18 08:39:00 - [449] Some unforseen bugs made it into the new ranking functions, so the ranks will be offline while I try to find a suitable solution. Sorry for any rank addiction this may cause anyone /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.06.19 17:42:00 - [450] Originally by: Chribba In the 'wipe' of points, a pilot not training anything would always increase points on update (higher points = worse global rank)[/yellow] So, opinions on have this type of dynamic ranking - or should the 'points' be wiped on every update and recalculated from the real-time values? /c I would prefer the wipe as it will give faster update changes.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.06.19 19:04:00 - [451] If pilot x is not training anything, his score should only change as other pilots overtake his score or new pilots join eb and rank better pushing him down. Wiping and recalculating does sound better, tho i've personally not had any issues with the current method. á
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers Independent Manufacturers Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.19 21:21:00 - [452] Chribba Another vote for wiping and recalculating, I'm assuming this is the faster option? The global ranking should definitely be based on live data, not a pilot's previous global rank. The good thing about your ranking is that it isn't static, for example I was in 14th place, then I decided to train 5 new skills, this meant I went from 0 lvl 3's (1000 ranking points) to 5 lvl 3's (about 14,500 ranking points) and I suddenly dropped to about 150th, but I knew that was going to happen. Similarly, I know when I remap to will/perc, I should be able to gain a few places as I train up the skills in the groups where I have a low ranking. Drah
arjun Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.06.20 07:37:00 - [453] and remove wallet content from ranking. it has no place there.
Dark Bakura	Posted - 2010.06.21 06:39:00 - [454] Hello Chribba, One of my mates pointed this out. Issues with EB reflecting the appropriate skills. It's most apparent when you look at my attribute differences. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Dark_Bakura (low attributes, and wtf, BS 5 without cruiser? :P) http://eveboard.com/pilot/Dark_Bakura/ships (correct attributes and ships) Cheers

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.21 10:26:00 - [455] @Dark Bakura, Unsure if I see the problem or if it was a temporary error upon the character update. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Dark Bakura	Posted - 2010.06.21 18:11:00 - [456] Originally by: Chribba @Dark Bakura, Unsure if I see the problem or if it was a temporary error upon the character update. Must have been a temporary error then. Seems all in order now. Essentially maybe 1/10 of my true skills were represented on the main sheet. Though everything else was correct (ships I could fly etc).
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.06.22 04:08:00 - [457] Secondary sorting by global rank appears to be broken and sorting randomly Just in case your not already aware chribs á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.22 10:04:00 - [458] People getting thrown around or? Because the global rank should now be recalculated on every run and thus people should move around a lot more now than before. Examples? As it might also be a caching issue (as that's in testing atm), reference ID of the cache shown at the bottom. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.06.22 13:24:00 - [459] Originally by: Chribba People getting thrown around or? Because the global rank should now be recalculated on every run and thus people should move around a lot more now than before. Examples? As it might also be a caching issue (as that's in testing atm), reference ID of the cache shown at the bottom. Example: - The good Dr Caymus is currently ranked 5th in learning but 359th globally where Drizden is ranked 2nd globally but 38th in learning. Example 2:- I'm currently ranked 1st in basic certs, but 88th globally, there are a dosen or so players who have all basic certs and rank higher than me globally. Positions change wildly with every update/change and appears random. perf 1,39s, ref 20100622/1520 á
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2010.06.22 14:36:00 - [460] I too have noticed weird happenings in the ranks. For example, I was previously ranked number one in the skills rank, but am now at number two behind Tripoli, dispite having the same number of skills and me having a higher global rank. Also learning skills, I've dropped to rank 52, whereas I've always been ranked around 11 or 12, so I'm now positioned below others with a lower global rank than me. Eveboard Viggen

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.22 18:46:00 - [461] Rgr will look into it, perhaps there is some misscalcs now that the global is reset on every calculation (or some number/typo in the formula). The thing that happends now, is that a 'general' globalRank is calculated first for the other ranks to use, since if two piliots have the same rank in eg Learning, the one with best global score should be first - that's the temporary global score. When all ranks have been calculated - the 'real' global score is recalculated and sorted using the previously generated ranks (which were based on the 'general' global). So it might be a problem with the first calculation causing the random sorting order. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.24 20:08:00 - [462] Looking over it, I now know why all the randomness (duh) - like previously discussed I now switched over the global calculations to wipe the 'score' on each run. The "problem" then was, since there's no previous global rank, one had to be made for the coming calculations - so what I had done was randomly give everyone a temporary global rank to be used in the calculations of the regular ranks. That is why you all was jumping around. Seeing as this yielded some wtf's I have now removed that. The problem remains though, I need to sort pilots in some way in order to sort the "global rank" calculations. This could be by name (unfair?) or any other attribute - so for the moment the first global rank score is sorted by skillpoint. So the higher the SP the better temporary rank you will have for all the ranks when calculated. Ideas/thoughts on how to solve this? Any better way? Note that this SP sort is temporary, and only used when recalculating the category ranks in the cases where two pilots have the same value, the final global score is based upon the previously calculated attributes - but SP determing the first-line sorting order. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Kithran	Posted - 2010.06.25 07:38:00 - [463] Originally by: Chribba Looking over it, I now know why all the randomness (duh) - like previously discussed I now switched over the global calculations to wipe the 'score' on each run. The "problem" then was, since there's no previous global rank, one had to be made for the coming calculations - so what I had done was randomly give everyone a temporary global rank to be used in the calculations of the regular ranks. That is why you all was jumping around. Seeing as this yielded some wtf's I have now removed that. The problem remains though, I need to sort pilots in some way in order to sort the "global rank" calculations. This could be by name (unfair?) or any other attribute - so for the moment the first global rank score is sorted by skillpoint. So the higher the SP the better temporary rank you will have for all the ranks when calculated. Ideas/thoughts on how to solve this? Any better way? Note that this SP sort is temporary, and only used when recalculating the category ranks in the cases where two pilots have the same value, the final global score is based upon the previously calculated attributes - but SP determing the first-line sorting order. /c Could you use the previous global rank just for calculating ties? Kithran
Qoi New Eden Warriors	Posted - 2010.06.25 10:02:00 - [464] Couldn't you give all people with the same amount of points the same ranking? I'd consider that fair ;)

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.25 10:29:00 - [465] Originally by: Kithran Could you use the previous global rank just for calculating ties? Kithran I can try and see what happends if I run it like that. Originally by: Qoi Couldn't you give all people with the same amount of points the same ranking? I'd consider that fair ;) The problem would still be it needs to be sorted in one way or the other, who comes first of ties - by name? by isk? by sp? I know you want eg ties to have the same rank - eg 45, the problem with that would be the calculation since the db doesn't support generating ranks like that, it only lists based upon the values so it needs to sort the rows. ofc it can be done, but question is if it's worth all the extra resources that needs to go into checking if 15,000 pilots have the same rank or not Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Chakarr	Posted - 2010.06.25 12:21:00 - [466] Edited by: Chakarr on 25/06/2010 12:21:08 Is there a problem with eveboard since the server switch? I can't seem to access my character sheets... NM...just my crappy works computer
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.06.25 15:16:00 - [467] Originally by: Chribba this I want your input on. Previously, the global rank of a user was dropping or going up depending on your 'score', thus the rop pilots' global score would decrease every time the stats were updated as the old score was used in the calculations of the new, so a pilot having eg 500 points, would on the next update get 499 (roughly speaking since the changes were in decimals unless the pilot gained a better rank somewhere else). Let me see if i understand the issue correctly... Pilot A trains some skills and as a result his global score decreases, This leads to him climbing a few places in ranks where seconday sorting takes place (players with the same stats). This climb in rank further reduces his global score on the next update? If thats what you are refering to, I believe thats the way it should work. As you improve your global score, you are naturally going to move up the sorting ladder where more than 1 pilot has the same score in any given catagory. As you have said the effect this has on your global score is minimal since the decrease is in 0.?? decimal, so i really don't see this as being a major issue, since this will effect ALL pilots equally, so noone is gaining any advantage over others On the other hand, sorting by skillpoints (even temporarilly) has a major impact on the scores. Take the learning catagory for example where there are currently more than 1200 pilots who have the max 5,376,000 sp possible, sorting by sp means veteran players like Dr Caynus will shoot straight to the top 10 while a younger player with say 10m sp can only reach a maximum ranking position of 1200+ and will be pushed further and further down as more higher sp players max out that catagory. that 1200+ ranking points will limit how high he can climb in the global score as he can never catch or overtake higher sp players. I can't think of any other attribute that will work the same as global score for secondary sorting that will not cause the same issues with the gap between older and younger pilots and believe the best option is to roll back to the working system we had a few days ago. Originally by: Qoi Couldn't you give all people with the same amount of points the same ranking? I'd consider that fair ;) Again taking the learning catagory as an example, giving 1200+ pilots the same rank would not be the best solution. á
Necronous	Posted - 2010.06.25 20:23:00 - [468] Originally by: Amateratsu Again taking the learning catagory as an example, giving 1200+ pilots the same rank would not be the best solution. Why not? They all are technically first place, all masters of that given branch.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.06.26 04:15:00 - [469] Originally by: Necronous Originally by: Amateratsu Again taking the learning catagory as an example, giving 1200+ pilots the same rank would not be the best solution. Why not? They all are technically first place, all masters of that given branch. As Chribba stated above, even if you give those 1200 pilots the same rank, they still have to be listed in some kind of ordering... And then the unlucky pilots who get shoved down at the bottom of the list get rewarded with a 1200+ point penalty added to their global score. á
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2010.06.26 14:52:00 - [470] Originally by: Amateratsu I can't think of any other attribute that will work the same as global score for secondary sorting that will not cause the same issues with the gap between older and younger pilots and believe the best option is to roll back to the working system we had a few days ago. /signed Eveboard Viggen
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.06.26 15:08:00 - [471] How about sorting ties according to least SP for the temporary ranking? It is more of an achievement to have maxed Learning with only 10M SP than with 100M SP, so the character with 10M SP should end up above the character with 100M SP. Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.06.26 15:19:00 - [472] Originally by: Estel Arador How about sorting ties according to least SP for the temporary ranking? It is more of an achievement to have maxed Learning with only 10M SP than with 100M SP, so the character with 10M SP should end up above the character with 100M SP. Sounds good in principal, but would have the reverse effect of the above with players like Dr Caymus being relegated to the bottom of the list with no chance of ever climbing back up. Thats why the global rank is so ideal as its a dinamic value that can always be improved upon no matter how old you are. á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.26 18:10:00 - [473] I tried making secondary sorting now based on old global score... unsure if it works tho lol but guess we'll see what happends with ranks or not Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.06.27 05:30:00 - [474] Originally by: Chribba I tried making secondary sorting now based on old global score... unsure if it works tho lol but guess we'll see what happends with ranks or not Looks good / working... á
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers Independent Manufacturers Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.27 07:35:00 - [475] Originally by: Amateratsu Originally by: Chribba I tried making secondary sorting now based on old global score... unsure if it works tho lol but guess we'll see what happends with ranks or not Looks good / working... Signed
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.06.30 08:01:00 - [476] Planetary Certificates not in yet --
Harnon Oan	Posted - 2010.07.03 09:19:00 - [477] I seem to be having a problem updating my Character sheet. I went to my page and because the previous owner had registered it told me that the API had been updated. However when i go to it, it shows the old one with login disabled reason. I have regenerated a new API and it's still not letting me. Any suggestions? http://eveboard.com/pilot/Harnon_Oan H

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.08 09:02:00 - [478] [eb] should now be properly back from all hardware upgrades. some optimization has been made please report oddities that may show up. updated db is scheduled as well to include missing items, such as certificates and the likes. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.07.08 11:09:00 - [479] Originally by: Chribba [eb] should now be properly back from all hardware upgrades. some optimization has been made please report oddities that may show up. updated db is scheduled as well to include missing items, such as certificates and the likes. /c Well my ranking page is a little weird, apparently I only have 19 skills trained.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.08 11:46:00 - [480] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Chribba [eb] should now be properly back from all hardware upgrades. some optimization has been made please report oddities that may show up. updated db is scheduled as well to include missing items, such as certificates and the likes. /c Well my ranking page is a little weird, apparently I only have 19 skills trained. Yeah the "problem" that has occured is that your character was refreshed at the same time as the ranks were generated thus not all your data were available for calculations. This should sort itself on the next refresh. But I will adjust the rank generation startups to try my best to avoid automati api updates at least. I'm also happy to see that rank generation has been reduced from around 3:30min to only 1:30min now with the new hardware. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.07.08 12:05:00 - [481] Originally by: Chribba Yeah the "problem" that has occured is that your character was refreshed at the same time as the ranks were generated thus not all your data were available for calculations. This should sort itself on the next refresh. But I will adjust the rank generation startups to try my best to avoid automati api updates at least. I'm also happy to see that rank generation has been reduced from around 3:30min to only 1:30min now with the new hardware. /c It has fixed itself now. What do you plan on using the spare CPU power for now? Or is it a case to make sure it will still work when [eb] hit 50k characters?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.08 13:03:00 - [482] I'm sure the spare resources could come to use to even crazier ideas for [eb], like those big list all pilots who can fly X, or use blueprint Y and so on. There are features I still would like to see implemented that are pretty resource intensive so I'm sure I'll get smacked on that and need to upgrade again. And yes of course that 50k will be pretty intense as well Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.07.08 16:19:00 - [483] Yeah I know it is in the backlog but a list of T1/T2 modules you can use would be a good thing to throw cpu on.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.07.08 16:35:00 - [484] Edited by: Amateratsu on 08/07/2010 16:35:42 Originally by: Chribba I'm sure the spare resources could come to use to even crazier ideas for [eb], like those big list all pilots who can fly X, or use blueprint Y and so on. There are features I still would like to see implemented that are pretty resource intensive so I'm sure I'll get smacked on that and need to upgrade again. And yes of course that 50k will be pretty intense as well Have you concidered dividing the full ranks listing of any given catagory into pages? Say 3 - 5k entrys per page... With 17k + players registerd it can take 90 sec + to load a full listing, and that will only get longer as more players register. Most of the time i'm only interested in seeing whos in the top positions or who i'm chasing above me. Would speed things up and lot and save resources at the same time. á
Carisamina Caldari Power Lock	Posted - 2010.07.09 11:31:00 - [485] I think that if a player decides to have his name remain anonymous that he should not be put in the rankings.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.10 11:05:00 - [486] @Amateratsu, Yep that is a good solution that is being looked into. @Carisamina, In the beginning it was designed like that so a pilot could still rank themselves but only for their view. Perhaps the feature needs to be reviewed and changed. Opinons? Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Carisamina Caldari Power Lock	Posted - 2010.07.10 12:05:00 - [487] Originally by: Chribba @Carisamina, In the beginning it was designed like that so a pilot could still rank themselves but only for their view. Perhaps the feature needs to be reviewed and changed. Opinons? Well knowing that I agree that the feature is nice for those applicable. Without having a massive knowledge of coding I'd say it would be a massive undertaking to remove the anonymous players for the ranking. If you could remove them from the current public ranking and have some sort of second ranking system that adds anonymous player entry for there viewing pleasure then I saw go for that approach. But it is a massive upgrade to the code, and database.
RedLion Caldari State Constructions	Posted - 2010.07.10 16:38:00 - [488] More privacy please :) Then you could get alot more registered characters. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Carisamina Caldari Power Lock	Posted - 2010.07.11 05:58:00 - [489] Originally by: RedLion More privacy please :) Then you could get alot more registered characters. What more privacy!? You can already hide everything about your character, and even password protect your sheet!
Annastasia Luminaria	Posted - 2010.07.13 05:18:00 - [490] The portrait for this toon is not showing (just a black square), I am guessing this is a cache issue? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Alli Orbital Industries	Posted - 2010.07.14 10:12:00 - [491] Just a reminder :) Certificates for the planetery thingy are not in yet. At least not the basic once. There should be 80 basic certification (not 78 like now on EB). thx btw, love the EB web :)

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.14 11:04:00 - [492] @Alli, Yep fully aware of that. They're still not released through the db, but sure if anyone got them decoded (eg new cert tables) I might be able to import them manually. There are some 'page' changes coming to the global rankings for speed and less resource usage for both you and me. There's also something I noticed, that was an intended feature but was only implemented 50% - anonymity and rankings. The intention was that the top 3 pilots would always get their name displayed on the ranking lists. This however was not fully working as at times anonymous pilots was placed in the top 3 without revealing their names. So, your input on always showing the name of the top 3 pilots in various categories regardless of being set to anonymous or not? This of course will NOT enable anyone to view private sheets. But it will ensure that no category can get filled with anonymous pilots - and sorta 'the price of being in the top 3 is that everyone know who you are' /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.14 12:16:00 - [493] Originally by: Chribba There's also something I noticed, that was an intended feature but was only implemented 50% - anonymity and rankings. The intention was that the top 3 pilots would always get their name displayed on the ranking lists. This however was not fully working as at times anonymous pilots was placed in the top 3 without revealing their names. So, your input on always showing the name of the top 3 pilots in various categories regardless of being set to anonymous or not? This of course will NOT enable anyone to view private sheets. But it will ensure that no category can get filled with anonymous pilots - and sorta 'the price of being in the top 3 is that everyone know who you are' /c I like that idea but make it the top 10 so the ranking summary page contain no "Anonymous" entries.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.07.14 18:23:00 - [494] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Chribba There's also something I noticed, that was an intended feature but was only implemented 50% - anonymity and rankings. The intention was that the top 3 pilots would always get their name displayed on the ranking lists. This however was not fully working as at times anonymous pilots was placed in the top 3 without revealing their names. So, your input on always showing the name of the top 3 pilots in various categories regardless of being set to anonymous or not? This of course will NOT enable anyone to view private sheets. But it will ensure that no category can get filled with anonymous pilots - and sorta 'the price of being in the top 3 is that everyone know who you are' /c I like that idea but make it the top 10 so the ranking summary page contain no "Anonymous" entries. Agreed with Mashie on this With regard to the missing certs, can you not import tham from the api data of someone who has them? I have the basic/standard/improved certs for pi... á
Lukka	Posted - 2010.07.14 20:20:00 - [495] I would prefer that anonymous entries are not excluded from the rankings. If they don't want their names known, that's their business, but I see no reason to make the rankings less accurate by excluding them. //lukka
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.15 10:07:00 - [496] Originally by: Lukka I would prefer that anonymous entries are not excluded from the rankings. If they don't want their names known, that's their business, but I see no reason to make the rankings less accurate by excluding them. //lukka The suggestion isn't to remove them but to display their names if they are good enough to be in the top 3-10.
RavenPaine	Posted - 2010.07.15 16:01:00 - [497] I never understood the whole "I want my stats a secret" thing anyway.... I like that its an option for the player and all, I just don't see why it's so important to be mysterious. It's not like FC's are yelling "Tackle that guy while I look him up on E-B !"

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.15 20:14:00 - [498] Ok so by the few comments I received the top 10 should be ok to display then, the names that is - skill sheets will still be private if having a pw!! Would there be a need of adding a "don't list me" option to the sheets to completly prevent a pilots ranking? (this question is mainly aimed at top 10 anonymous pilots). /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.15 23:49:00 - [499] Originally by: RavenPaine I never understood the whole "I want my stats a secret" thing anyway.... I like that its an option for the player and all, I just don't see why it's so important to be mysterious. It's not like FC's are yelling "Tackle that guy while I look him up on E-B !" For me it wouldn't matter much,since i'll have all skills in game by the end of the year anyhow,and my objective for 2011 is to have all 397 skills at lvl 4 or lvl 5,so so there's nothing to hide really,as i'm pretty good to maxed out on everything in game...
Lukka	Posted - 2010.07.16 01:49:00 - [500] Originally by: Chribba Ok so by the few comments I received the top 10 should be ok to display then, the names that is - skill sheets will still be private if having a pw!! Would there be a need of adding a "don't list me" option to the sheets to completly prevent a pilots ranking? (this question is mainly aimed at top 10 anonymous pilots). /c While it doesn't affect me as my sheet is public, I think this is a mistake. There's a reason those people chose to be anonymous and that choice should be respected. If you take the choice away from them, the likely outcome would be for them to unregister (if that's even possible--if not, it'll probably just **** them off). At least, it's what I would do. The reason I unregistered from eve-sheet was because I couldn't find a way to hide my implants. I imagine it would be a similar logic.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.16 06:42:00 - [501] Originally by: Lukka Originally by: Chribba Ok so by the few comments I received the top 10 should be ok to display then, the names that is - skill sheets will still be private if having a pw!! Would there be a need of adding a "don't list me" option to the sheets to completly prevent a pilots ranking? (this question is mainly aimed at top 10 anonymous pilots). /c While it doesn't affect me as my sheet is public, I think this is a mistake. There's a reason those people chose to be anonymous and that choice should be respected. If you take the choice away from them, the likely outcome would be for them to unregister (if that's even possible--if not, it'll probably just ** them off). At least, it's what I would do. The reason I unregistered from eve-sheet was because I couldn't find a way to hide my implants. I imagine it would be a similar logic. A much valid thought, what I want to avoid is cluttering up the ranks with "anonymous" entries as that pretty much makes the whole ranking part useless if you can't compare yourself. Or at least I think that is what people use the rankings for, comparision? But yes potentially the problem would be the 160b ISK pilot would get his/her name shown even if set to private. I think I'll let this be discussed a bit further before making any bigger changes, for the moment it remains as it was designed. The other option would be to derank anyone set to anonymous, but then we're back to the reason why people use the ranks as anonymous would not be able to rank themselves... /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar**'

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.07.16 07:32:00 - [502] Edited by: Amateratsu on 16/07/2010 07:33:23 Personally i don't see the issue with displaying their name if they are in the top 10 of a given rank, you still can't see any of their stats. 1 possible solution however would be to give them the option to choose an Alias name to use instead of their actuall character name? That way you won't know who they are while at the same time the ranks won't be filled with anonymous entrys. Add an option in the setting to enter an alias name to be used instead of anonymous? á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.16 11:23:00 - [503] Edited by: Chribba on 16/07/2010 11:24:26 The "problem" would be that you could see who got a certain stat as he/she is ranked. For example in the current top10 skillpoints category, there's an anonymous one, he/she would be revealed and thus we would know pilot X got Y skillpoints even if he/she wanted to hide it. As for the alias suggestion, that's pretty much the same thing as anonymous in my world since you wouldn't be able to know if the pilot is real or not. And imo I don't want non-existing names to show up in ranks as the base is driven by the API and as such information presented should be the real deal. Unsure if I explained it in a good way? At least the top 3 would be minimum reqs, since I don't want any !'s in the BoF display. But let's continue to throw ideas on the subject and see what angles there are Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.07.16 11:49:00 - [504] if there is an anonymous in the top 3 then rather then having them listed as anonymous alter the number so it changes i.e. instead of 1 anonymous 2 pilot ear 3 pilot face 4 anonymous 5 pilot nose 6 xx1s 7 xx2s 8 xx3s it would be 2 pilot ear 3 pilot face 5 pilot nose 6 xx1s 7 xx2s 8 xx3s and they you get to see the top 10 none anonymous ones sort of thing ? --
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.16 14:36:00 - [505] Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 16/07/2010 14:43:10 Originally by: Amateratsu 1 possible solution however would be to give them the option to choose an Alias name to use instead of their actuall character name? Let's call them [eb]Citizen_123456. I still think they should be listed with their char names if they are good enough to hit top 10 in any category. As for the 160b char, just remove the wallet from all rankings.
RavenPaine	Posted - 2010.07.16 20:44:00 - [506] I think the anonymous guy wants to use EB to view his own stats, but he really doesn't want everyone else to see who he is. (basic no-brainer observation?) Perhaps he doesn't care if he's included in the rankings then? Would it be fair to say, If you want ranked, we need a name ?
Jasdemi Caldari Manufacturing	Posted - 2010.07.16 20:54:00 - [507] Edited by: Jasdemi on 16/07/2010 20:55:03 Why would someone hide his/her skills? It's just a goddamn game, ffs. Some of you guys are way too paranoid. Chribba, show them how real men do it and add your character ... or are you just another paranoid pu.ssy? =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
Tyris Maelstrom Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.07.18 02:00:00 - [508] Tried to setup an account, when i put in my API in the login and press the button it just resets the page, doesn't send me to a account creation screen. Any ideas?
Jasdemi Caldari Manufacturing	Posted - 2010.07.18 07:04:00 - [509] Originally by: Tyris Maelstrom Tried to setup an account, when i put in my API in the login and press the button it just resets the page, doesn't send me to a account creation screen. Any ideas? Try Google Chrome =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.07.18 08:57:00 - [510] Originally by: Jasdemi Originally by: Tyris Maelstrom Tried to setup an account, when i put in my API in the login and press the button it just resets the page, doesn't send me to a account creation screen. Any ideas? Try Google Chrome What makes you so sure his browser is the cause of his issue? Love the new paged ranking lists Chribba they load almost instantly now:) Great work. á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.18 09:54:00 - [511] Originally by: Tyris Maelstrom Tried to setup an account, when i put in my API in the login and press the button it just resets the page, doesn't send me to a account creation screen. Any ideas? Something blocking cookies/session cookies? Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Tyris Maelstrom Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.07.18 12:12:00 - [512] I'm using Firefox, setup to accept cookies. Tried IE aswell with same problem.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.19 09:55:00 - [513] Originally by: Tyris Maelstrom I'm using Firefox, setup to accept cookies. Tried IE aswell with same problem. Try catch me in-game and we can try sort it as it happends and/or do a manual database update. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.21 09:54:00 - [514] As the new statistics pages are coming closer to launch, it is yet again time for your input. Should statistics be based upon only active pilots or both active and inactive - or maybe display both active distribution and both? Eg male/female distribution, based upon only active pilots or both active/inactive and/or showing eg 50% males active pilots, 45% males inactive included and so on? Also I have a number of ideas for general statistics, if you got more let me know, can be whatever funny or stupid idea and I'l see what is possible to do. /c Win a Freki for 10M

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.21 21:05:00 - [515] Originally by: Chribba As the new statistics pages are coming closer to launch, it is yet again time for your input. Should statistics be based upon only active pilots or both active and inactive - or maybe display both active distribution and both? Eg male/female distribution, based upon only active pilots or both active/inactive and/or showing eg 50% males active pilots, 45% males inactive included and so on? Also I have a number of ideas for general statistics, if you got more let me know, can be whatever funny or stupid idea and I'l see what is possible to do. /c Will we get stats based on bloodline? Like highest SP Achura? How about stats for number of players between different SP brackets? Like: 1-5m SP 5-10m SP 10-20m SP 20-30m SP and so on and with a pretty graph. How about the average skill level for each skill? Bonus if they have 250 pixel wide bars for nice resolution. Which are the top 10 ships most people can fly. Average character name lenght. Male/Female/Race/Bloodline distribution and various combinations of that. Distribution of racial frig 5 / cruiser 5 / bs 5 (maybe add the capitals 5 as well). Percentage of players who are part of Capitals-Online. Number of players with Hull Tanking Elite. Number of players who can use Veldspar Mining Crystal II and fly Amarr Dread...

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.22 18:31:00 - [516] Sneak peek of the progress so far, divided down to all/race/bloodline/corporations and ships in numbers for all said categories... Win a Freki for 10M

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.22 20:16:00 - [517] I'm not sure if the skillpoint distribution should start at 0 SP. 1-5m and 5-10m is better than 0-10m. The average SP per skill group is nice in the bloodline breakdown. In addition to that I would like to see a separate page with every available skill listed and horisontal graphs going from 0-5 showing the average skill level per skill in one massive list of 400 entries or so as it should cover all the odd creation skills (black market trading and such). Now I'm not sure if the average should be between those that have the skill or among all chars, I mean the titan skills will have like a 0.01 average if it is across all characters. That could probably be solved with two graphs, first that show the percentage of characters that has the skill and a second graph of what the average skill level is for those that has it. Like this: Skill \|-----Percentage trained------\| \|--------Average level trained----------\| 0% 100% 0 1 2 3 4 5 Amarr Titan \|. \| \|.................................... \| Spaceship command \|.............................\| \|...................................... \| Learning \|.............................\| \|.......................................\| Command Ships \|......... \| \|............................ \|
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.07.22 21:18:00 - [518] What I'd love is an option to write our own queries, much like Grismar's EVE explorer. i.e. Show (or Count) X where Y is greater than P and smaller than Q. or Show (or Count) X with skill P and skill Q. Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.22 21:46:00 - [519] Originally by: Estel Arador What I'd love is an option to write our own queries, much like Grismar's EVE explorer. i.e. Show (or Count) X where Y is greater than P and smaller than Q. or Show (or Count) X with skill P and skill Q. Like an extension to this but for all characters in the database?
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.07.22 21:54:00 - [520] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Like an extension to this but for all characters in the database? Exactly! (I've never looked at the for sale section before ) Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.23 07:11:00 - [521] I'll adjust the SP groups a bit 1-5, 5-10 up to 20 and have it go in 10m steps from there I think, or would it be better with 5m steps all the way? (might get cluttered and small). Skill list/trained/percentage etc is added to the todo list. I will be implementing everything so you can break it down to all/race/bloodline/corporations easily. And the "search skills" feature on the forsale shouldn't be too hard to implement on a global basis either, only question is what use it would have, I mean I don't have anything against implementing it, just don't know what the use would be, eg randomly search for all avatar pilots? or stuff like that? (wouldn't show protected sheets obviously). /c Win a Freki for 10M

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.23 09:31:00 - [522] Different size SP groups is probably the best idea to somewhat leverage the effect of all the low SP chars overwhelming the graphs. When you say list by corp, is that NPC corps or by all corps? All corps would be handy. I don't know what use the search would be but if you provide the tools I'm sure someone can find a decent usage for it.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.23 10:23:00 - [523] Edited by: Chribba on 23/07/2010 10:24:48 You will be able to display public data from both npc and regular corporations. And the skill list listings is in the works as well, based upon your suggestion, however the "how many has the skill trained" will display % of pilots who have it obviously, but the average level will be dependant on those who have it trained, thus someone who does not have the skill will not be counted towards the average level (else I'm sure we'd see pretty low values on all skills). Win a Freki for 10M

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.23 10:48:00 - [524] Excellent, so just as per my ASCII graphics then.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.23 11:15:00 - [525] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Excellent, so just as per my ASCII graphics then. Well I'm not really good at ascii art so this is how it turned out - Linkage Win a Freki for 10M

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.23 12:54:00 - [526] Hmm, I think it would be better with two graphs side by side, for a good overview. You could have a graph to the left of the text that show the average skill level trained (in fractal numbers and no SP mentioned, say the average is 3.75 and 0.01=2 pixels so the graph end up 75 pixels long out of a max of 100). Then on the right hand side of the text you can have the graph like now where it show the percentage of chars with the skill trained.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.23 18:22:00 - [527] @Mashie Saldana, will make some modifications and examples for review thank you for your assistance! /c Win a Freki for 10M

ShadowandLight Amarr Doom Guard Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.07.24 17:40:00 - [528] i would like to select different features together to search for ie gunnery 5 / amarr bs 5 etc hugs :) ------- "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1 Hoist the Colors!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.24 18:16:00 - [529] @ShadowandLight, that option is available through the chars for sale, but it is on the list to be implemented for search over regular characters as well, so it will become available in the near future. /c Win a Freki for 10M


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.26 09:38:00 - [530] Edited by: Chribba on 26/07/2010 09:40:48 @Mashie, am I on the right track? Linkage or maybe Linkage Win a Freki for 10M

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.26 11:29:00 - [531] Originally by: Chribba Linkage Now that is definitely the right track. Having the text in the middle actually made it harder to read. I'm not sure if it would be a pain to implement but to have the skills sorted/grouped as per the normal skill sheet would make it easier to read. Also I'm not entierly sure about the colour scheme, would it be possible to have say two colours of the graphs, [eb] green and grey alternating for every second entry? Another option would be thinner [eb] green graphs and have the background for each skill alternate between light and dark grey (probably a pain to implement as you already have alternating colours vertically). It is simply too bright and "happy" compared to the normal character sheets. Oh and it is very interesting to see those stats, is that calculated on the full userbase in the sample? I'm surprised Amarr Dread is at 2.6 average, I would have guessed it was closer to 4.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.07.26 11:39:00 - [532] I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks the 'search characters by skills'-feature would be useful. Is it me or are the graphs in the second picture (graphs_skills3, which does look better as Mashie said) the wrong way around? (Or the titles the wrong way around - anyway, I think the titles don't match the graphs.) Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.26 11:48:00 - [533] Edited by: Chribba on 26/07/2010 11:50:31 graph3 only has the titles revsersed, as I simply moved the charts around for the example, so pay no attention to the "titles" until the final layout hehe. As for the colors, should be fairly easy to make them less happy lol, it's the default color scheme right now (assume other charts should follow the same color scheme?). The grouping, could be a problem but by no means impossible as the values are not sorted per auto. What would be a problem would be sorting them by group and values I think. When sorted, should it be sorted by all or by group as well? Eg most trained skill global or most trained skill for group etc - or all ways of displaying it? And the dread in the example is only for Minnie:Vherokior as seen at the top. /c Win a Freki for 10M

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.26 12:02:00 - [534] Originally by: Chribba The grouping, could be a problem but by no means impossible as the values are not sorted per auto. What would be a problem would be sorting them by group and values I think. When sorted, should it be sorted by all or by group as well? Eg most trained skill global or most trained skill for group etc - or all ways of displaying it? When I said grouping I meant just list them the same way as the default skill sheet, no need to sort by values really. So technically it would be as looking at your normal skillsheet but with some more information.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.26 12:37:00 - [535] Edited by: Chribba on 26/07/2010 12:37:53 Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Chribba The grouping, could be a problem but by no means impossible as the values are not sorted per auto. What would be a problem would be sorting them by group and values I think. When sorted, should it be sorted by all or by group as well? Eg most trained skill global or most trained skill for group etc - or all ways of displaying it? When I said grouping I meant just list them the same way as the default skill sheet, no need to sort by values really. So technically it would be as looking at your normal skillsheet but with some more information. Linkage, unfortunatly the group titles are somewhat hard to format as they are included as "0" values due to the way the charts render. So I cannot make the text bold/color/etc (afaik am going through the documentation to find solutions). Win a Freki for 10M

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.26 12:54:00 - [536] Originally by: Chribba Linkage, unfortunatly the group titles are somewhat hard to format as they are included as "0" values due to the way the charts render. So I cannot make the text bold/color/etc (afaik am going through the documentation to find solutions). Now its really easy to read. If you can change the title size, fine, but if you can't it is still easy enough to find the correct information now.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.07.26 13:07:00 - [537] It would also be useful to have an idea how big the group that the graph is based on is. How many Vherokior are the stats based on? Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.26 17:59:00 - [538] Originally by: Estel Arador It would also be useful to have an idea how big the group that the graph is based on is. How many Vherokior are the stats based on? You will see that by hovering a skill, it will display eg (23 of 3,284 pilots). Or did you have some other values in mind? All thoughts are good /c Win a Freki for 10M


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.28 09:29:00 - [539] Advanced search has been added, and the statistics pages will become available for everyone during the day (as you might have seen some links have started to pop up here and there linking to various types of stats). /c

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.28 23:03:00 - [540] Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 28/07/2010 23:03:09 Originally by: Chribba Advanced search has been added, and the statistics pages will become available for everyone during the day (as you might have seen some links have started to pop up here and there linking to various types of stats). /c Nice, found a little bug though. If you scroll to the bottom here you will see a massive white field both in IE8 and FF 3.6.8. Also a little feature request, you list the top five in each bloodline/race/corp. Any chance to have a link to see the full list of each?
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.07.28 23:29:00 - [541] I love stats, and this is awesome. Thanks Chribba Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.07.29 01:17:00 - [542] Just noticed an interesting uh feature?? http://eveboard.com/statistics/bloodline/jin-mei/skills When viewing that, the skills that every pilot starts with such as gunnery show 100.1% of the pilots have that skill trained The tooltip that shows when you hover over it shows 2 more pilots than total pilots of this race.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.29 06:30:00 - [543] Edited by: Chribba on 29/07/2010 06:32:00 Originally by: Mashie Saldana Nice, found a little bug though. If you scroll to the bottom here you will see a massive white field both in IE8 and FF 3.6.8. Also a little feature request, you list the top five in each bloodline/race/corp. Any chance to have a link to see the full list of each? I don't see any white field? Could have been either a cache problem, or since the graphs are flash and the background of it is white - that might have been what was displayed. Feel free to screenshot it if you see it again as I couldn't see the white-up. As for full listing of chars based on race/bloodline/corp, that is possible, will figure out a nice way to implement it. Originally by: Breaker77 Just noticed an interesting uh feature?? http://eveboard.com/statistics/bloodline/jin-mei/skills When viewing that, the skills that every pilot starts with such as gunnery show 100.1% of the pilots have that skill trained The tooltip that shows when you hover over it shows 2 more pilots than total pilots of this race. Yep I'm aware of it, I had to do a small fix yesterday that will break some things, but it should be back to normal today after I implemented a full solution rather than the stupid fix. /c

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.29 08:22:00 - [544] Originally by: Chribba I don't see any white field? Could have been either a cache problem, or since the graphs are flash and the background of it is white - that might have been what was displayed. Feel free to screenshot it if you see it again as I couldn't see the white-up. It seems Flash isn't rendering all the graphs, hence the whitespace: Linky It is the same in both browsers and "Defender missiles" is the last entry to show up in all the lists.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.29 08:41:00 - [545] Yeah, like you said seems to be the Flash not doing it's think. Unsure why thought as it works fine in all my browsers. If you scroll to the bottom, does the normal (c) message appear or is the table cut off? Maybe there is some script/firewall/av on your side that cuts the data transfer so it can only render so far? Is the source complete or is there something looking odd in the html code near the defenders? Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.29 09:07:00 - [546] I think it is an issue with that specific PC. Will have a look at it after work.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.07.29 10:00:00 - [547] I checked, it works fine for me. Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Calpolli Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2010.07.29 10:53:00 - [548] Originally by: Chribba Yeah, like you said seems to be the Flash not doing it's think. Unsure why thought as it works fine in all my browsers. If you scroll to the bottom, does the normal (c) message appear or is the table cut off? Maybe there is some script/firewall/av on your side that cuts the data transfer so it can only render so far? Is the source complete or is there something looking odd in the html code near the defenders? I get the same thing, at the same place - just after defenders. Source code looks fine. And get the copyright notice at the end of the whitespace. It just seems to get halfway through the list and give up. If you right click on the white and change the quality it renders fine. Weird. Interesting times await...

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.29 11:30:00 - [549] Edited by: Chribba on 29/07/2010 11:31:02 Mashie, Janus, you using some special version of flash? Or rather do both of you have the same version perhaps, if it's a problem there... as it was said it occured in both IE and FF, that points towards Flash itself being the problem from what I can see. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.07.29 11:47:00 - [550] I've got Flash 10.1.53.64. The page works fine in Firefox 3.6.8, but I also get a white space in IE 8.0 (which I never use, so it still has the default settings). Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:19:00 - [551] Originally by: Estel Arador I've got Flash 10.1.53.64. The page works fine in Firefox 3.6.8, but I also get a white space in IE 8.0 (which I never use, so it still has the default settings). On this laptop I have that Flash version and it works in both Firefox 3.6.8 and IE 8.0. I will check later what version is on my other PC that experience problems. I run Win7 64 on all systems.
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Calpolli Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:48:00 - [552] I have version 10,0,42,34 In fact I just tried to update to the latest version but the update failed, and I'm too lazy to try it again. Interesting times await...
Nertzius Instant Annihilation Everto Rex Regis	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:23:00 - [553] Edited by: Nertzius on 29/07/2010 19:23:09 The problem with the statistics skills page also happens in the latest Safari 5.0 (6533.16) and Firefox 3.5.11 on a Mac. Both browsers use Flash version 10.0.45.2. The error console for Safari reports the following errors on the page: Unmatched </embed> encountered. Ignoring tag. Unmatched </embed> encountered. Ignoring tag. Assertion failed: ReaderArticleFinder aborting CandidateElement detection due to timeout
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:06:00 - [554] I have now installed Flash 10.1.53.64 on this PC and the graphs are working in Firefox now, still getting the cutoff in IE8.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.07.30 06:55:00 - [555] I get a brief whiteout for a sec or so as the graphs load, but no cut off. Using Flash 10,1,53,64 and IE8 8,0,6001,18702 á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.30 08:47:00 - [556] I have made some changes, let me know if there are any different results now. And I will continue to look into the flash problem as it seems to be a version issue. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Nertzius Instant Annihilation Everto Rex Regis	Posted - 2010.07.30 17:16:00 - [557] Originally by: Chribba I have made some changes, let me know if there are any different results now. And I will continue to look into the flash problem as it seems to be a version issue. Still same problem with Safari on the Mac at the same place. Have you considered making each skill group it's own flash component?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.31 16:18:00 - [558] Originally by: Nertzius Originally by: Chribba I have made some changes, let me know if there are any different results now. And I will continue to look into the flash problem as it seems to be a version issue. Still same problem with Safari on the Mac at the same place. Have you considered making each skill group it's own flash component? Rgr that. As for own flashies, I'm not sure it would benefit the local browsers rendering so many at the same time compared to one big (two), plus it would screw up the sorting a bit. But it might become the viable option unless it can be sorted with the version problem I think. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2010.08.02 11:45:00 - [559] A feature request/suggestion: sometimes, when seeking a price check on a character, it's desireable to show the skillsheet but not the character's name/corp/other identifying features. It might be useful to be able to anonymise skillsheets. That aside, thanks for providing yet another awesome eve service. Signature removed.
Orlangure	Posted - 2010.08.03 18:36:00 - [560] Bug report: This link: http://eveboard.com/statistics/corporation/Iridium_Inc. causes an error: Server object error 'ASP 0175 : 80004005' Disallowed Path Characters /cache.asp, line 58 The '..' characters are not allowed in the Path parameter for the MapPath method.
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2010.08.03 20:53:00 - [561] CCP needs to make all of Chribba's sites official eve sites.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.03 21:03:00 - [562] Originally by: Mr LaForge CCP needs to make all of Chribba's sites official eve sites. If he didn't use googles adsense they could. However he uses it and Chribba can't control the ads that come up so the chance of it showing an ISK sellers site is pretty good, even though Chribba would not endorse that activity.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.08.03 21:59:00 - [563] Originally by: Orlangure Bug report: This link: http://eveboard.com/statistics/corporation/Iridium_Inc. causes an error: Server object error 'ASP 0175 : 80004005' Disallowed Path Characters /cache.asp, line 58 The '..' characters are not allowed in the Path parameter for the MapPath method. Thanks will look into that. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.08.04 00:15:00 - [564] Any chance we can have the various corp rank pages link to the corp stat pages?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.08.04 12:55:00 - [565] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Any chance we can have the various corp rank pages link to the corp stat pages? That was the idea yes, just forgot to enable it. Should be linkified shortly. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.08.04 16:04:00 - [566] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Mashie Saldana Any chance we can have the various corp rank pages link to the corp stat pages? That was the idea yes, just forgot to enable it. Should be linkified shortly. /c It's working now but I think you managed to break the hall of fame as the top three chars are named 1,2 and 3.
La Folie	Posted - 2010.08.07 08:27:00 - [567] If I add my character to eveboard, when i remove or change my api, will my character be removed from eveboard and the database?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.08.07 15:04:00 - [568] Originally by: La Folie If I add my character to eveboard, when i remove or change my api, will my character be removed from eveboard and the database? Answering here for future pilots to read as well When an API changes, the pilot will be deactivated - that means it will be removed from ranks and the likes, it will however remains to be viewed by anyone knowing the name of the pilot (and search). To fully remove a character's information you need to log in with the current API information and press delete on the character in "my profile" (as a last resort feel free to contact me as the login should give you all tools needed to remove a pilot completly). /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.08.17 12:22:00 - [569] While I realize that a lot of you might already be using applications such as EVEMon/Aura/etc to monitor your characters off [eb], would there be any use of having [eb] adding events to your (if you have one) Google Calendars? This was pretty much something that came up as an idea when I was managing my own skillplans etc. The idea is simply that [eb] would place a small event at the end of the training skill so it shows up on your calendars/and whatever you have linked (in my case I sync my phone with gCal so it would show up in my phone without running Aura). What it obviously would require from you is a calendar [eb] can write to, be it your default or a new one created for the purpose of [eb] would be up to you. You would then need to invite the [eb] "robot" (in other words an email) and give that email write/change permissions (hence why maybe a new calendar for the purpose of [eb] is in order or the robot will be able to read your regular calendar and its events). Ideas? Thoughts? Waste of time? Good implementation? /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

shambley Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.08.17 16:43:00 - [570] Quick question, My account deactivated a week ago put in new api few days later when reactivated , I can see all my info last few days except ranks are blank - do I just need to wait? Regards shambley BIG SERVICES BIG WEBSITE
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.08.17 17:56:00 - [571] Originally by: Chribba Ideas? Thoughts? Waste of time? Good implementation? I don't see a use of that feature myself, maybe someone else might need it though.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.08.17 21:38:00 - [572] Originally by: shambley Quick question, My account deactivated a week ago put in new api few days later when reactivated , I can see all my info last few days except ranks are blank - do I just need to wait? Regards shambley Yours ranks should be updated per auto when the new api is updated and the ranks generated. If they still do not update poke me again and I'll look into it. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

shambley Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.08.18 13:16:00 - [573] Thanks for the reply checked again today character updated ranks still no joy :-( and cheers for all the great stuff :-) BIG SERVICES BIG WEBSITE

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.08.18 14:00:00 - [574] The issue has been located and semi-fixed for now. As a result the default score of every pilot has been reset and will begin to recalculate as the next rank generation is done. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Nertzius Instant Annihilation Everto Rex Regis	Posted - 2010.08.19 14:37:00 - [575] Enhancement Request: How about some sort of ranking and scoring of how qualified a character is to pilot a particular ship or class of ships?
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.08.19 15:44:00 - [576] Originally by: Chribba The issue has been located and semi-fixed for now. As a result the default score of every pilot has been reset and will begin to recalculate as the next rank generation is done. May i ask what else changed? I've lost several 1000's of points across all ranking catagorys, for example my global score went from 1240 to 1350 and in drones i went from a position of 3800 to over 4200... Altho All pilots have been effected equally, so my global rank has only droped slightly. Just curious where all the extra pilots suddenly came from to push everyone down in the ranks? á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.08.19 17:07:00 - [577] @Nertzius, that would be certificates I think, else I'm probably not the best person to decide what qualifies as "skilled for a certain ship". @Amateratsu, Everyone got reset yeah, and that was the issue at hand, new pilots not getting added to the ranks, so that's where the additional pilots came from. There were about 500 pilots missing from the rankings, so the semi-fix was to reset everyone and re-add everyone. But this should be sorted soon so I don't have to reset everyone to get all pilots in. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Nertzius Instant Annihilation Everto Rex Regis	Posted - 2010.08.19 18:19:00 - [578] Originally by: Chribba @Nertzius, that would be certificates I think, else I'm probably not the best person to decide what qualifies as "skilled for a certain ship". I don't think certificates really show what I am thinking of and they don't handle capital ships at all. I am thinking of something like a percentage of the total skillpoints trained which would be useful for a class of ships. It would probably be best for ship-classes to be something like Subcapitals, ORE, Carrier, Dreadnought, Supercarrier and Titan. (With racial divisions of each as well.) There would be many more problems if this sort of model was attempted on all classes of ships since decisions for what types of modules would be useful for frigates vs. destroyers or any other class of subcapital ships would be arbitrary. Obviously I am interested in this to find out how I compare to the eveboard universe of characters since I am a Minmatar subcapital PvP specialist. :) Of-course skills would have to get categorized something like this: I only did electronics, for brevity and that it is one of the more interesting skill groups. Most skills would be in the generic category and skills which do not affect any ship would go into an unclassified category which wouldn't count. Electronics: Generic Cloaking Cynosural Field Theory Electronics Electronics Upgrades Frequency Modulation Long Distance Jamming Long Range Targeting Multitasking Propulsion Jamming Signature Analysis Survey Targeting Electronics: Amarr Weapon Disruption Turret Destabilization Electronics: Caldari Electronic Warfare Signal Disperson Electronics: Gallente Sensor Linking Signal Suppression Electronics: Minmatar Target Painting Signature Focusing Electronics: ORE Electronics: Carrier Electronics: Dreadnought Electronics: Supercarrier Projected Electronic Counter Measures Electronics: Titan
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.08.19 18:44:00 - [579] Edited by: Amateratsu on 19/08/2010 18:44:45 Originally by: Chribba @Amateratsu, Everyone got reset yeah, and that was the issue at hand, new pilots not getting added to the ranks, so that's where the additional pilots came from. There were about 500 pilots missing from the rankings, so the semi-fix was to reset everyone and re-add everyone. But this should be sorted soon so I don't have to reset everyone to get all pilots in. /c Thanks, now it all makes sense It did seem to be slowing down recently, Now we know why. á
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.08.25 19:39:00 - [580] You can thank Akita T for my presence here, also I'm not digging through the 20pages of replies to see if this was added. Make methods to see statistics for the SP groups, ie you show the number of pilots in groups of 5million SP show me the statistics of those groups, skills trained, ships, etc. Make categories for those groups, Most ISK, highest security status, etc. Also add statistics on number of pilots with X implant, again sorted by SP 'levels' in 5million blocks. Statistics on number of pilots who will be shot on sight by, faction police(list them) and concord. -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members.
0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2010.08.26 12:42:00 - [581] Originally by: Bhattran You can thank Akita T for my presence here, also I'm not digging through the 20pages of replies to see if this was added. How arrogant ! Not you did something for Chribba but he created a service for you, that you use without paying anything. But yes, we should all be thankful for your presence Quote: Make methods to see statistics for the SP groups, ie you show the number of pilots in groups of 5million SP show me the statistics of those groups, skills trained, ships, etc. Make categories for those groups, Most ISK, highest security status, etc. Also add statistics on number of pilots with X implant, again sorted by SP 'levels' in 5million blocks. Statistics on number of pilots who will be shot on sight by, faction police(list them) and concord. You make a lot of demands and don't even use the word "please". Are you going to give something in exchange ?
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.08.26 20:00:00 - [582] Congrats on hitting 20k active pilots.
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.08.26 20:49:00 - [583] Edited by: Bhattran on 26/08/2010 20:49:06 Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o Originally by: Bhattran You can thank Akita T for my presence here, also I'm not digging through the 20pages of replies to see if this was added. How arrogant ! Not you did something for Chribba but he created a service for you, that you use without paying anything. But yes, we should all be thankful for your presence Quote: Make methods to see statistics for the SP groups, ie you show the number of pilots in groups of 5million SP show me the statistics of those groups, skills trained, ships, etc. Make categories for those groups, Most ISK, highest security status, etc. Also add statistics on number of pilots with X implant, again sorted by SP 'levels' in 5million blocks. Statistics on number of pilots who will be shot on sight by, faction police(list them) and concord. You make a lot of demands and don't even use the word "please". Are you going to give something in exchange ? 2/10 with promise. Akita T asked why people aren't using Chribba's site/service and if not what might be added to make you then use it, go to General Discussion for that. Chribba posted in said thread asking ideas to be added to this thread. Hence I am here, Chribba also asked for feedback in this thread when announcing the site, so I've added my suggestions/ideas and 'apologized' for popping in for a site I walked by as it really isn't for me. -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members.
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.27 09:00:00 - [584] Grats to Viggen on getting #3 in the overall ranks.... that is nice going.... --
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.08.27 11:35:00 - [585] - add a small icon or something in the heading of all categories that are used for global ranking ? .
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2010.08.28 21:18:00 - [586] Originally by: RaTTuS Grats to Viggen on getting #3 in the overall ranks.... that is nice going.... Cheers m8, but I'm not quite fully there yet, I'm flicking between ranks 3 and 4 atm (only 0.37 seperating myself and Valrandir). I've moved from rank 11 to 4 in the last month or two, so I'm heading in the right direction. I'll just keep plugging away at it Originally by: Ravenal - add a small icon or something in the heading of all categories that are used for global ranking ? /signed. Eveboard Viggen
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.08.29 01:04:00 - [587] Any chance we can get the certificate counters to use in the signatures?
wizard87	Posted - 2010.08.29 01:42:00 - [588] Hey Chribba, I know its probably Google ads fault, but the bottom bar has "Macro-labs" products for Eve online. Can you do away with the ad bars? On a side note; just curious but how much wonga do you make from ad bars on your sites?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.08.30 06:54:00 - [589] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Any chance we can get the certificate counters to use in the signatures? Will try add that shortly. Originally by: wizard87 Hey Chribba, I know its probably Google ads fault, but the bottom bar has "Macro-labs" products for Eve online. Can you do away with the ad bars? On a side note; just curious but how much wonga do you make from ad bars on your sites? I update the blocklist quite often so it should be showing less and less. As for the income nothing major but it helps buy some new harddrives and the likes once in a while. /c Win an Adrestia for 10M

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.08.31 18:47:00 - [590] Hey Chribs EB seems to be struggling when it comes to retrieving api updates. I'm getting a lot of timeouts and corupted api data or it just takes ages.. Dunno if anybody else is having this issue, or if its just me, or if the eve api server is simply not responding to an api data request. Thought i'd let you know:) á
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2010.08.31 21:08:00 - [591] I am experiencing the same. Also many times the ranks are way off or not displaying, just the dashes.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.01 07:19:00 - [592] I do know the API at times are slow, but unsure if this is the case now. I will look into it and see what the problem might be (maybe eb isn't scaling as nicely as I planned for -> resource problems). /c Win an Adrestia for 10M

Janus Ovellian Minmatar Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita	Posted - 2010.09.02 13:41:00 - [593] Originally by: Ravenal - add a small icon or something in the heading of all categories that are used for global ranking ? Yes, please. :) Interesting times await...

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.02 18:25:00 - [594] The '!' idea for rank categories has been noted on the fix list. Also some performance changes has been applied today which will hopefully make it run a bit smoother, feel free to report errors as always. I'm also thinking about purging inactive pilots from the DB after a while, but nothing set in stone on that yet. /c Win an Adrestia for 10M

Kyreax Gallente Neuronix	Posted - 2010.09.03 06:01:00 - [595] Hi Chribba, First I'd like to say thanks for this free service. Statistics are great fun. I have a request for you, if you please: I cannot search for people with the creation skills of Genetic Engineering and Black Market Trading (smuggling?). I would be interesting in seeing how many other players have these skills. Thanks for the hard work! Clicky for Kyreax
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.09.03 13:18:00 - [596] Any chance of the NPC corps getting removed or put in their own category for the corp rankings? Also, any chance of you making a killboard service someday? :)
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.09.07 06:29:00 - [597] Edited by: Amateratsu on 07/09/2010 06:30:18 Ok Who broke EB ADODB.Recordset error '800a0bcd' Either BOF or EOF is True, or the current record has been deleted. Requested operation requires a current record. /fullranks.asp, line 340 Been getting the above error for last 12 hours or so á
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.09.07 07:08:00 - [598] Error occured in caching routine! Error -2147024784/ is what I'm getting now --

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.07 13:59:00 - [599] Should hopefully be sorted now. Was some minor issues with a cache-drive gone missing. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Anne Arqui Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.07 15:34:00 - [600] I hope it's not the wrong thread to post (otherwise my apologies) but I have a question for eve-agents as it's also an amazing product of ¬ 2006-2010, Chribba - OMG Labs: - Can there be an extra query option be added that enables you to select the security rating of the agent's system? Thank you.
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2010.09.07 15:42:00 - [601] Originally by: Chribba also there's a few new features in the works for all you stats/graphs addicts = crack for Tripoli. --- All 397 skills trained.
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.09.07 23:33:00 - [602] hey chribba, could you make some stats on the total amount of isk and averages and others.. it would be nice to have stats for isk --- I need escrow back.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.08 06:45:00 - [603] Originally by: Fredou hey chribba, could you make some stats on the total amount of isk and averages and others.. it would be nice to have stats for isk There's a few things in development that will give you some more ISK related data, until then feel free to manually do the calculations found in the statistics page Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Limdood	Posted - 2010.09.08 20:50:00 - [604] The ranks for my alt character (Limd00d, with two zeros in there) are all coming up as "-". Is there something i need to do in order to get the ranks to show up? I've allowed Eveboard to show everything about my character, but i still get no data. The rest of his stats show up just fine, and this character's stats (Limdood with the letter o) shows his ranks just fine.
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.09.08 22:59:00 - [605] Originally by: Limdood The ranks for my alt character (Limd00d, with two zeros in there) are all coming up as "-". Is there something i need to do in order to get the ranks to show up? I've allowed Eveboard to show everything about my character, but i still get no data. The rest of his stats show up just fine, and this character's stats (Limdood with the letter o) shows his ranks just fine. Just give it a few hours to recalculate.
SickSeven Simplistic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.09 03:41:00 - [606] I am a satisfied customer of this website. You died at the fittings screen, you just hand't realized it yet - Mr. Cue
Limdood	Posted - 2010.09.09 17:35:00 - [607] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Limdood The ranks for my alt character (Limd00d, with two zeros in there) are all coming up as "-". Is there something i need to do in order to get the ranks to show up? I've allowed Eveboard to show everything about my character, but i still get no data. The rest of his stats show up just fine, and this character's stats (Limdood with the letter o) shows his ranks just fine. Just give it a few hours to recalculate. its been nearly a week...

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.10 09:30:00 - [608] Originally by: Limdood its been nearly a week... Should be showing, let me know if it still flunks out. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Limdood	Posted - 2010.09.10 14:12:00 - [609] thanks Chribba! and another +1 on a great site!
My Postman	Posted - 2010.09.16 11:14:00 - [610] This product/service belongs to page 1. bump.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.20 10:49:00 - [611] Edited by: Chribba on 20/09/2010 10:49:51 Some minor graphs have now been added for pilots/corp/races/bloodlines/global to keep track on how you progress... edit/also \o/ [eb] turns one year next week, thank you everyone /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.09.20 14:51:00 - [612] Originally by: Chribba edit/also \o/ [eb] turns one year next week, thank you everyone /c Congrats, has it already been a year? Also nice new stats. I would however still love to see the variables to show the numbers of the various certs and not just the ranking for each type.
Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2010.09.24 01:45:00 - [613] Originally by: Chribba edit/also \o/ [eb] turns one year next week, thank you everyone No, thank YOU, big C, and congratulations on the hugely successful site. You are Da Man! Dr Caymus -=ATI=-
Belmorn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.09.26 23:51:00 - [614] Hey congrats on making it a year I love the site. Not a big deal but I just noticed this when comparing characters it doesn't show any planetary management skills. Thanks again.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.27 09:08:00 - [615] Originally by: Belmorn Hey congrats on making it a year I love the site. Not a big deal but I just noticed this when comparing characters it doesn't show any planetary management skills. Thanks again. Will look into it, thanks. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Royaldo Gallente Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2010.09.27 20:18:00 - [616] Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 20/09/2010 10:49:51 Some minor graphs have now been added for pilots/corp/races/bloodlines/global to keep track on how you progress... edit/also \o/ [eb] turns one year next week, thank you everyone /c Congrats Chribba, its a very nice and helpfull site.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.09.28 11:46:00 - [617] Happy anniversary [eb]! Free universal jumpclone service: 10.000 users!
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.09.28 13:32:00 - [618] EB FTW ;-p thanks Chribba now to ask about eve search Stats how can I see the people above and below me ? --
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.09.28 14:10:00 - [619] Originally by: RaTTuS now to ask about eve search Stats how can I see the people above and below me ? For the person directly above you, click here Free universal jumpclone service: 10.000 users!
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.09.28 14:55:00 - [620] Originally by: Estel Arador Happy anniversary [eb]! Ditto, And many thanks Chribba for this great site á
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.09.28 15:07:00 - [621] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: RaTTuS now to ask about eve search Stats how can I see the people above and below me ? For the person directly above you, click here /me goes on Posting Frenzy --
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.09.29 03:12:00 - [622] congrats \o/ ... this site was truly a gem for the Eve community when launched :) one quick q ... I've never had my "Highest Average Faction Standing" showing, it's always been "no data". Not sure why because my "Lowest Avg. Faction Standing" is showing just fine. .

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.29 07:55:00 - [623] @RaTTuS, When I make a page displaying the list Originally by: Ravenal congrats \o/ ... this site was truly a gem for the Eve community when launched :) one quick q ... I've never had my "Highest Average Faction Standing" showing, it's always been "no data". Not sure why because my "Lowest Avg. Faction Standing" is showing just fine. Thank you! As for not showing in Highest - it is because you're showing in Lowest (if my memory serves me right atm). There would be no real point in being listed in both as either list would just be the same as the other - with the sorting reversed. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.09.29 12:45:00 - [624] Originally by: Chribba As for not showing in Highest - it is because you're showing in Lowest (if my memory serves me right atm). There would be no real point in being listed in both as either list would just be the same as the other - with the sorting reversed. /c Like for security status? Might I suggest then to have instead of highest/lowest faction standings, have empire/pirate faction standings? ... and changing the current one to a single rank of "total faction standings"? Rav .
Viggen The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2010.10.03 17:34:00 - [625] Happy 1st Birthday Eveboard (I know, I'm a bit late ) Chribba, I know you've said you will be adding something that shows which groups are used to calculate global rankings, but could you spare the time and just let me know if I've got it right? I've always assumed its an average based on the following ranks:- Skillpoints, Skills, Level 3, 4 and 5 skills, All 17 skill categories, Total Certificates, Elite Certificates, Total Isk, Skills Isk Value. What am I doing wrong? Because if I input all the above into excel, I need to add an extra "adjustment" figure to the averages of like 1700 points to get the correct result. Yet when I do the same for another character in a similar ranking position to myself, that extra adjustment figure can be totally different again, (even a negative figure sometimes). I just cant figure it out Eveboard Viggen
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.10.03 18:45:00 - [626] Chribba, while you are at it with formulas, can you please explain how the numbers are calculated for the character comparisions? I have no idea how I can end up with more points here for example.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.10.03 19:51:00 - [627] Originally by: Mashie Saldana I have no idea how I can end up with more points here for example. Subsystems? .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.10.03 20:31:00 - [628] Originally by: Viggen Happy 1st Birthday Eveboard (I know, I'm a bit late ) Chribba, I know you've said you will be adding something that shows which groups are used to calculate global rankings, but could you spare the time and just let me know if I've got it right? I've always assumed its an average based on the following ranks:- Skillpoints, Skills, Level 3, 4 and 5 skills, All 17 skill categories, Total Certificates, Elite Certificates, Total Isk, Skills Isk Value. What am I doing wrong? Because if I input all the above into excel, I need to add an extra "adjustment" figure to the averages of like 1700 points to get the correct result. Yet when I do the same for another character in a similar ranking position to myself, that extra adjustment figure can be totally different again, (even a negative figure sometimes). I just cant figure it out I believe All certificate catagorys are included in the global score, otherwise you have it right. á
Viggen The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2010.10.03 22:23:00 - [629] Originally by: Amateratsu I believe All certificate catagorys are included in the global score, otherwise you have it right. Adding all the certificate categories, then recalulcating the overall average gives me just over 100 points less than I should have. Doesnt sound like much, but thats nearly 19% difference to what my score should be. Its closer, but still not right. Eveboard Viggen
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.10.04 00:00:00 - [630] Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: Mashie Saldana I have no idea how I can end up with more points here for example. Subsystems? I guess it was the difference in lvl 4 skills that got me ahead somehow: 229 vs 206 skills 114 vs 113 lvl 5 65 vs 96 lvl 4 26 vs 0 lvl 3 10 vs 0 lvl 2 9 vs 0 lvl 1

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.10.04 17:03:00 - [631] Apologies for delay in response. I will try to get you the answers shortly. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.10.05 12:34:00 - [632] Edited by: Chribba on 05/10/2010 12:42:33 First the ranks, (!) has been added to the categories that used in the calculations (there are currently 30 of them being used). They are: Skillpoints Number of skills Number of Level 3/4/5 skills Average SP per skill All 17 skill categories Number of Certificates Number of Elite/Improved/Standard/Basic certs Most ISK Highest Skill Value. The rank for said categories are then inserted into the following formula: (sum(ranked)+((30-count(categories))1000))/(count(categories)) sum(ranked) = The total sum of points in all categories you are ranked in count(categories) = The number of categories you are ranked in The "1000" is a penalty for anyone who is not ranked in one or more categories. This is to make it more even so that you don't simply leave out something to get a better average. It would be tweaked if needed (your input required). Examples of the penalty; Place - Name - Total points - Skill categories - Rank points x1000 (current): 1 - Viggen - 19824 - 30 - 660.8000000 2 - AtoningUnifex - 20180 - 30 - 672.6666666 3 - Drizden - 18645 - 29 - 677.4137931 4 - Valrandir - 21585 - 30 - 719.5000000 5 - Femintaki - 20547 - 29 - 743.0000000 x1: 1 - Drizden - 18645 - 29 - 642.9655172 2 - Viggen - 19824 - 30 - 660.8000000 3 - AtoningUnifex - 20180 - 30 - 672.6666666 4 - Batack - 19517 - 28 - 697.1071428 5 - Femintaki - 20547 - 29 - 708.5517241 x10000: 1 - Viggen - 19824 - 30 - 660.8000000 2 - AtoningUnifex - 20180 - 30 - 672.6666666 3 - Valrandir - 21585 - 30 - 719.5000000 4 - Akilah - 23790 - 30 - 793.0000000 5 - Robocopter - 24580 - 30 - 819.3333333 9 - Drizden - 18645 - 29 - 987.7586206 11 - Femintaki - 20547 - 29 - 1053.3448275 x50000: 1 - Viggen - 19824 - 30 - 660.8000000 2 - AtoningUnifex - 20180 - 30 - 672.6666666 3 - Valrandir - 21585 - 30 - 719.5000000 4 - Akilah - 23790 - 30 - 793.0000000 5 - Robocopter - 24580 - 30 - 819.3333333 46 - Drizden - 18645 - 29 - 2367.0689655 49 - Femintaki - 20547 - 29 - 2432.6551724 As you can see those with 29 ranked categories gets a hefty penalty the higher value is used. I have been trying to balance the value as if you for example, train all certs to elite - you suddenly would not be ranked in Improved/Standard/Basic and thus get a penalty for that. Also make note that when looking closer at ranks - the displayed ranks and the "actual" ranks in the databse at the time of viewing various pages (eg personal ranks or global ranks or full global) may differ slightly, this due to caching of said page (for example personal ranks are not cached (atm) while global/full ranks are cached for 30 minutes). @Mashie, On comparing pilots the skill level determines the points, valued at the following: Lv1 = 1 Lv2 = 3 Lv3 = 6 Lv4 = 10 Lv5 = 15 And as always I'm more than happy to discuss any formula changes or ideas to get better (more fair) ranks. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.10.05 15:15:00 - [633] Originally by: Chribba @Mashie, On comparing pilots the skill level determines the points, valued at the following: Lv1 = 1 Lv2 = 3 Lv3 = 6 Lv4 = 10 Lv5 = 15 /c Cool, thanks.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.10.05 20:50:00 - [634] Originally by: Chribba First the ranks, (!) has been added to the categories that used in the calculations (there are currently 30 of them being used). Awesome addition :) Originally by: Chribba Most ISK uhm, why? Originally by: Chribba On comparing pilots the skill level determines the points, valued at the following: Lv1 = 1 Lv2 = 3 Lv3 = 6 Lv4 = 10 Lv5 = 15 And as always I'm more than happy to discuss any formula changes or ideas to get better (more fair) ranks. Why are skill ranks not included? like: Lv1 = 1 * skill rank Lv2 = 3 * skill rank ... Also, with the certificates... you don't lose your basic certificates if you train all up to elite, like skills... ? .
Viggen The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2010.10.05 22:45:00 - [635] Awesome work as always Chribba, thanks for taking the time to explain and adding the (i). /Salutes Eveboard Viggen

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.10.06 09:31:00 - [636] Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: Chribba Most ISK uhm, why? iirc it was included because having (and keeping) large sums of ISK is also a mission itself, and for the sake of competing, as pretty much most other groups involves pure skillpoints, a younger player might not be able to catch up, so ISK was also used as a way of leveling the overall rank. Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: Chribba On comparing pilots the skill level determines the points, valued at the following: Lv1 = 1 Lv2 = 3 Lv3 = 6 Lv4 = 10 Lv5 = 15 And as always I'm more than happy to discuss any formula changes or ideas to get better (more fair) ranks. Why are skill ranks not included? like: Lv1 = 1 * skill rank Lv2 = 3 * skill rank ... Could be a good idea actually, Lv5 titan would be worth a hell lot more than Lv5 Gunnery, would that be a good comparrison of pilots? What do you all think? Originally by: Ravenal Also, with the certificates... you don't lose your basic certificates if you train all up to elite, like skills... ? Yes you do, perhaps basic (and standard) should be removed from calculations? /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.10.06 09:56:00 - [637] Originally by: Ravenal Why are skill ranks not included? like: Lv1 = 1 * skill rank Lv2 = 3 * skill rank ... Maybe in addition to the currently calculated overall number, have a summary at the bottom showing the total number of skills and ranks at each level: Player X \| Player Y Lvl 5 skills(ranks) 10(30) \| 110(330) Lvl 4 skills(ranks) 60(180) \| 100(300) Lvl 3 skills(ranks) 0(0) \| 15(45) Lvl 2 skills(ranks) 0(0) \| 0(0) Lvl 1 skills(ranks) 0(0) \| 1(3) I just used rank 3 skills above for simplicity.
MegabitOne Caldari The Black Ops	Posted - 2010.10.06 10:55:00 - [638] Edited by: MegabitOne on 06/10/2010 10:58:43 Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 05/10/2010 12:42:33 @Mashie, On comparing pilots the skill level determines the points, valued at the following: Lv1 = 1 Lv2 = 3 Lv3 = 6 Lv4 = 10 Lv5 = 15 If one would follow the 'law of diminishing returns' that has been implemented in Eve Online everywhere (e.g. (multiplicative) bonuses, stacking nerf), the level calculation should follow that too... I mean: the added value for a player of a L1 skill is far more greater than that of the same skill at L5. A L1 will actually allow you do to something "more" whereas a L5 'only' makes you 'better' at something. Thus, for me the valuation of the levels should be the other way around (maybe the numbers need tweaking) : Lv1 = 15 Lv2 = 10 Lv3 = 6 Lv4 = 3 Lv5 = 1 The difference in having L2 over L1 is in most cases more significant than having trained L5 over L4... Of course this means that the rankings will be closer together. In the current implementation it seems more like giving 'points' for training time spent (the more training the exponentially greater the reward) whereas a ranking system should maybe more focus on usefulness. This is actually well in line with Mashie's idea on adding the skill rank into the equation: higher ranked L1's would count for much more than lower ranked ones ;-) My 2cts... --- I'm not as bad-ass as some of my corp mates, but I'll pwn you anyway! -= In God we trust, all the others pay cash =-
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.10.06 13:39:00 - [639] Originally by: MegabitOne Lv1 = 15 Lv2 = 10 Lv3 = 6 Lv4 = 3 Lv5 = 1 so... comparing a particular skill between two players. One has level 1 and the other has level 2 ... the one with level 1 wins with 15 points? Or are you saying that the level 2 player actually has 25 points? Your diminishing returns are "the wrong way around" ... yes, we spend more time to get that x% from level 4 to 5 than you did from lvl3 to 4. But because you spent more time it's also worth more when you compare. .
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.10.06 14:49:00 - [640] Ok, lets take a look at that. Purely counting skillpoints, like this: (cps = current point system, sp = skillpoints) A B = cps - sp 1 4 = b+9 - b+45005 1 4 = b+9 - b+45005 1 4 = b+9 - b+45005 1 4 = b+9 - b+45005 5 1 = a+14 - a+255750 ... = b+22 - a+75730 This means that with the current system B has 22 more points than A but A has 75730 more skill points (assuming all rank 1 skills). But which IS better ... the 11115 or 44441? Well, it'll take A a VERY short amount of time to get 33335, during which B will have 44444. So this might be a better comparison point: A B 3 4 = b+4 - b+37255 3 4 = b+4 - b+37255 3 4 = b+4 - b+37255 3 4 = b+4 - b+37255 5 4 = a+5 - a+210745 ... = b+11 - a+61725 yes, the number of skills I use in my example matters. But let's say all other skills are the same. These are the differences. In one case the current point system wins while in the other skillpoints win. Now IMO the first system is inaccurate (If that level 5 skill is of higher ranks for example) and the other system is unfair (too biased towards just having lots of skill points). So, in pure terms of effectiveness the system should just be points = skill level * rank. That's how Eve measures effectiveness anyway. So, lvl4 rank 3 skill = 12 points. That level 4 skill might give you +20% something, that's how effective you are. That means: A B 3 4 = b+1 3 4 = b+1 3 4 = b+1 3 4 = b+1 5 4 = a+1, change this to rank 4 skill = a+4 ... = b+3, a=b ... in terms of effectiveness + cost to get effective. Originally by: Ravenal Also, with the certificates... you don't lose your basic certificates if you train all up to elite, like skills... ? Yes you do, perhaps basic (and standard) should be removed from calculations? That would mean it would be optimal to always leave one certificate out on each level. Ignore one branch of certificates from basic to elite to not just get the default rank penalty. Another thing with the character comparison ... I somewhat expected the comparison would be between the ranks of each player in the groups used on the site. Is that something worth looking at in addition (like a new page to the comparision ... Comparison: Skills - Ships - Ranks o7 Rav .
honour engineer	Posted - 2010.10.06 16:50:00 - [641] hi can you fix the ranks on my sccount please. not displaying any atm. thanks honour engineer
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.10.06 19:34:00 - [642] Edited by: Amateratsu on 06/10/2010 19:35:35 Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Ravenal Also, with the certificates... you don't lose your basic certificates if you train all up to elite, like skills... ? Yes you do, perhaps basic (and standard) should be removed from calculations?/c With respect, you don't, EB still shows me ranked 16th in basic certificates even tho most of those are trained to higher levels. Each Certificate level is treated as an independant and seperate cetificate, you cannot get a no data/1000pt penalty in cetificates unless you have not trained any certs in a particular level. I would prefer that all certs are kept as part of the global rank as they represent how well trained you are in any particular field. Unlike level 3/4/5 skills where you will end up with no data penaltys once you have no skills sitting at 1 of those levels. á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.10.07 09:27:00 - [643] Originally by: Amateratsu Edited by: Amateratsu on 06/10/2010 19:35:35 Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Ravenal Also, with the certificates... you don't lose your basic certificates if you train all up to elite, like skills... ? Yes you do, perhaps basic (and standard) should be removed from calculations?/c With respect, you don't, EB still shows me ranked 16th in basic certificates even tho most of those are trained to higher levels. Each Certificate level is treated as an independant and seperate cetificate, you cannot get a no data/1000pt penalty in cetificates unless you have not trained any certs in a particular level. I would prefer that all certs are kept as part of the global rank as they represent how well trained you are in any particular field. Unlike level 3/4/5 skills where you will end up with no data penaltys once you have no skills sitting at 1 of those levels. I stand corrected, indeed you are correct, a pilot has both the basic and elite certificate listed in the DB (and as such would be listed in all unless a whole group is empty like you said) as to compared with skills that only increase in level. Thanks for pointing that out. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Juwi Kotch Fiat Iustitia	Posted - 2010.10.15 08:33:00 - [644] Originally by: Chribba They are: ... Highest Skill Value. I'm a bit out of the loop, so maybe a dumb question: How is this skill value calculated, where does it come from? Support the Bounty Hunter Profession!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.10.15 10:17:00 - [645] Originally by: Juwi Kotch Originally by: Chribba They are: ... Highest Skill Value. I'm a bit out of the loop, so maybe a dumb question: How is this skill value calculated, where does it come from? Base price of the skills (from the db dump). As such, special skills like Dron Salvage, Mobile Industry etc which costs in the billions on contracts are valued with their original price (like 18k or something). /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Juwi Kotch Fiat Iustitia	Posted - 2010.10.15 12:12:00 - [646] Ah, a simple thing, in fact. Thanks for answering!
Resolute Stormbringer ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.20 11:44:00 - [647] Did the calculations change in the last 24 hours for overall rank? Just dropped from 25th to 258th.
Resolute Stormbringer ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.20 11:59:00 - [648] Looks like a glitch in the system, it's back to normal again. Looked like something went haywire with the certificates for an update, it wasn't including anything above basic certs for some reason.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.10.20 14:14:00 - [649] @Resolute Stormbringer, yeah what happened was most likely your character getting updated at the same time as the ranks were recalculated - causing you to not be listed in one (or more) categories, and such the overall rank was changed. And as you noticed, it most of the time returns to normal upon the next rank update. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Resolute Stormbringer ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.22 00:27:00 - [650] The only change I would consider was to perhalps set a cap into the rank calculations for either all groups or just the number of level 3 & 4 skills. It does seem kinda silly that somebody with 0 level 3 skills has an assigned rank of 1000 but somebody with 1 level 3 skill could have a rank of 22000. Most groups you have to have at least a single skill in (thinking skill catagories here) so no need to cap them. (there is a couple of examples where this isn't the case like subsystems, but think they could be ignored as its pretty easy to level up to a semi decent rank very quickly in that group). Another option would be to add the number of 4&5 skills to the 3 skills and add the number of 5 skills to the 4 skills and THEN do the rankings. So they in practice work kinda like the way certs do. That way people with lots of 5's aren't peanlized but ALSO people who have lots of skills spread around 4's and 3's are also not peanlized. (The idea of only including 5's that some people have raised I think is pretty wrong as IMHO 4x level 4 skills is > than 1x level 5 skill, and generally level 5 doesn't really give you that much of an advantage over 4's.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.10.22 07:27:00 - [651] New features; input needed. So with the coming expansion, there are some new and cool API pulls, however they require the full api key - which isn't something everyone want to give out. The new api will display for example, logon time (eg total time played), birth dates, alliance membership. Now to your input, would you part with your full api key in order to get ranked in categories like most time played, oldest character etc? Or is the full api requirement something you would not share? I have yet not even started in any implementation for the new features and as such only gathering your views on how much effort I should put into the new api's. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.10.22 08:45:00 - [652] I like resolute's idea of treating skills levels the same as certificates in regards to globals ranking... If you've trained a skill to lv5, you've also trained it throught the lower levels, so count it in the lower levels. Example if you have 20 lv5, 10, level 4 and 7 level 3, add the 20 lv5 to each of the lower levels, so you'd end up with 20 @ 5 30 @ 4 and 27 @ level 3. That would eliminate the penalty for not having any skills stitting at a lower level. As to the full api key, i already use mine with evemon to monitor market transactions ect and would have no issue using it with eb provided we have the option to enable or disable the individule features like we can with isk, attributes, implants ect:) á
Viggen The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2010.10.22 11:15:00 - [653] Originally by: Amateratsu Example if you have 20 lv5, 10, level 4 and 7 level 3, add the 20 lv5 to each of the lower levels, so you'd end up with 20 @ 5 30 @ 4 and 27 @ level 3. Don't forget to add the lvl 4's to the lvl 3's, so you would actually end up with 20 @ 5, 30 @ 4 and 37 @ 3. But yeah, a cool idea. Also the full api thing. I would use it depending on what cool stuff would be available, but I'd have to see what would be there first, and as said above there would need to be a lot of disable viewing options. I do think however that not enough people would be willing to use their full api to make the numbers worthwhile, but only time would tell on that I guess. Eveboard Viggen
N Ano Caldari Solar Transport	Posted - 2010.10.25 10:29:00 - [654] Chribba I am simply loving the site, its helpfull, full of fun little gadgets and gizmos. I just found this one little glitch: its under the "ships I cannot fly." only one I noticed. ECM, Eves little genital warts.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:14:00 - [655] Originally by: Resolute Stormbringer The only change I would consider was to perhalps set a cap into the rank calculations for either all groups or just the number of level 3 & 4 skills. It does seem kinda silly that somebody with 0 level 3 skills has an assigned rank of 1000 but somebody with 1 level 3 skill could have a rank of 22000. Indeed, if you aren't ranked 1-999 in a group you will get assigned rank 1000 to be used for the global ranking calculations.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.10.26 17:38:00 - [656] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Resolute Stormbringer The only change I would consider was to perhalps set a cap into the rank calculations for either all groups or just the number of level 3 & 4 skills. It does seem kinda silly that somebody with 0 level 3 skills has an assigned rank of 1000 but somebody with 1 level 3 skill could have a rank of 22000. Indeed, if you aren't ranked 1-999 in a group you will get assigned rank 1000 to be used for the global ranking calculations. That would not be a good solution, as you'd have the top 1000 pilots ranked in the 1-999 and then the other 22,180 pilots (currently) all being assigned a rank of 1000?. You'd end up with 100's maybe 1000's of pilots all with the same score, or being excluded from the rankings altogether. á
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2010.10.29 15:19:00 - [657] So I train up Cap Ships V and burn a hole in my wallet to buy a couple of titan books thinking this will really help my global ranking, but then I find myself moving down not up. I think I have located the problem (other than my general stupidity): Originally by: Chribba ... Number of skills ... Average SP per skill ... The rank for said categories are then inserted into the following formula: (sum(ranked)+((30-count(categories))*1000))/(count(categories)) sum(ranked) = The total sum of points in all categories you are ranked in count(categories) = The number of categories you are ranked in Increasing the number of skills kills my Avg SP/skill. The number of ranks I gain in # of skills and value of skills is more than offset but the number of ranks I lose in average SP/skill. Moving from rank 3 to 2 in a category is not and should not be equivalent to moving from rank 5,003 to 5,002. I suggest using sum(log(ranked)) or if that is too radical sum(sqrt(ranked)) instead. For example, under the current system all of these are equivalent: 11 -> 10 101 -> 100 1,001 -> 1,000 Under a log system, these would be equivalent moves: 11 -> 10 110 -> 100 1,100 -> 1,000 Using a square root, these would be approximately equivalent: 11 -> 10 103 -> 100 1,010 -> 1,000 I hope I have been clear enough. On an unrelated note, I would support the use of 5+4 and 5+4+3 skills, at least for the global ranking, because with the lack of new skills being introduced we will soon be reaching the point where the highest SP characters will be running out of level 3 skills.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.03 10:54:00 - [658] Edited by: Chribba on 03/11/2010 11:02:40 With Tyr 1.2 deployed, [eb] now has started to track additional information, so soon there will be some more ranks coming out showing the oldest pilots, corporations and alliances. Also for those who want to compete in the categories of most login time and most logins will need to distribute their full API key - but more on that later on. Those categories will initially NOT be a part of the global rank as I don't intend to force people into giving away their full api keys. As well as security status is now more accurate than before and thus should truely show who's the badass and who's not (as soon as all changes have been made on my side) /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.03 15:15:00 - [659] The FULL api key and Logon/account statistics howto So, you are already registered but you want the new logon information on your pilot. That will require your FULL api key. You should already be aware what information the full key can give, so update your account with the full key if you feel comfortable with it. The process of changing your api key to the full (or back to limited) is easy, simply log in with the full key, you will be presented with a page to update the key, submit the full key again and press update - your registered characters will now use the full key. In order for logon statistics to show you will need to edit your character and untick the "Hide logon statistics" option (remember to enter a password if you had your sheet password-protected before as saving with an empty password will clear any previous password). The same proceedure goes for turning a full account back to limited key, your logon counters will be saved (but not updated while using a limited key) so you can temporary switch if you just want that additional logon/account info. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.04 14:24:00 - [660] Edited by: Chribba on 04/11/2010 14:27:57 The new security status ranking should now be in full effect (or soon be to any pilots that may not have been auto-updated yet). And the changes was pretty big, not at least on the pirate side as lots of people had same standings due to CONCORD standings not being very precise with the decimals. Here's a small Top 100 list of the before/after values - Linkage So most of you are not true -10.0's, only a handfull of you really are, this also means that some of you may have gained a few spots while others have dropped. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.11.05 11:14:00 - [661] Exellent work Chribba... I was quite surprised at my logon statistics Time online 257d 13h 00m Daily average 3h 07m 12s Logon count 3,225 Wonders how long it will take to get that up to a year spent playing eve á
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:42:00 - [662] umm, 370154 mins + 432524 2 accounts you see.... --

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:49:00 - [663] Edited by: Chribba on 05/11/2010 16:55:55 The downside however of the logon count is that it counts both logons to TQ as well as logon to the forum. So the idea of getting an average time per logon will be highly inaccurate - unless you have never logged on to the forums. The "time online" however does only reflect time spent logged on to TQ (character select or beyond). and @Amateratsu, About 110 more days? So judging by your current daily average... some 7-800 days /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.11.05 22:26:00 - [664] So roughly 2 more years.... Possible glitch/bug eb is showing me as having 2 skills @ lev3 which i have actually trained to lvl4 Gallente Engineering Systems / Rank 1 / Level: 3 / SP: 8,000 of 45,255 Gallente Offensive Systems / Rank 1 / Level: 3 / SP: 8,000 of 45,255 Total sp for the catagory is short as well. Could be a glitch in the api xml data since evemon is showing the same error. á
Lukka	Posted - 2010.11.06 06:01:00 - [665] Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 04/11/2010 14:27:57 The new security status ranking should now be in full effect (or soon be to any pilots that may not have been auto-updated yet). And the changes was pretty big, not at least on the pirate side as lots of people had same standings due to CONCORD standings not being very precise with the decimals. Here's a small Top 100 list of the before/after values - Linkage So most of you are not true -10.0's, only a handfull of you really are, this also means that some of you may have gained a few spots while others have dropped. /c lol that didn't take long. Nice job keeping eveboard updated with the changes. //lukka

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.10 11:49:00 - [666] The ranks for Date of Birth (eg oldest players), Online Time and Daily Average is now online. For the Daily Average category the pilot must be at least 180 days old in order to be included in the rankings, this is due to the online time being counted for the _account_ and not the character. Thus creating an alt on a 2 year old account would give the alt some pretty heavy daily average since the account already has a high number of minutes online and the alt being only a day or so old. This can be changed to Creation Date of the account instead if needed... discuss! Please note that the online time can expose any alts you may have on the account!! So if you have more than one pilot registered make sure you HIDE the online time from the alts as the online time is information from the ACCOUNT not the character (as such all characters on the account has the same online time)! <-- obviously this only applies if you have entered your FULL api key as the information is not available through the limited key. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Crimson Kite	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:38:00 - [667] Good work! But I dont know, if this has already been posted: If I want to compare two chars, I get 2 problems: 1st: one char doesnt show any skills at all (although nothing is hidden) 2nd: when one or both chars have password protection and I'll type the password(s) and hit send or enter, the system shows me some random char (and I'm not the only one having this problem in my corp)

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.11 18:43:00 - [668] Tried to access the password guy first as the password is saved in your session cookie, then compare? Or does it happen then as well? Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.12 09:39:00 - [669] Originally by: Chribba Tried to access the password guy first as the password is saved in your session cookie, then compare? Or does it happen then as well? I have never managed to use a passworded char in a comparision either. The addition of date of birth in the API is awesome, it would let us have one more category to compete in - average SP/h since birth. Is this something that can be added without the server exploding from overload?
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.11.12 09:47:00 - [670] umm sp/h since birth ... I like that ... -- Join BIG

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.12 10:07:00 - [671] Originally by: Mashie Saldana The addition of date of birth in the API is awesome, it would let us have one more category to compete in - average SP/h since birth. Is this something that can be added without the server exploding from overload? Added. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.12 10:38:00 - [672] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Mashie Saldana The addition of date of birth in the API is awesome, it would let us have one more category to compete in - average SP/h since birth. Is this something that can be added without the server exploding from overload? Added. /c Woah, that was quick, thanks. Any chance to have this stat added to the skill sheet as well, say in one of the empty cells below the attributes?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.12 12:03:00 - [673] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Woah, that was quick, thanks. Any chance to have this stat added to the skill sheet as well, say in one of the empty cells below the attributes? Also added, altho I'm not 100% sure if the current method of calculating it is suitable or not. As right now it calculates based upon the CURRENT time, not the time when the sheet was updated. So the value decreases by each second - until the sheet is updated again with new values (eg skill switch/change/etc). Maybe it is better off calculating based upon when the sheet was updated. Altho calculating on current time, will provide a bit more changes in the ranks as compared to the other method it all would be pretty static. /c

Crimson Kite	Posted - 2010.11.12 14:29:00 - [674] Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 12/11/2010 12:45:38 @comparisson, I looked at the code and hope to have solved the problem with the password'ed characters. Signatures has also been updated to include {dob} for DoB, {davg} for daily average online time, {ss} for Security Status and {minutes} for logon minutes. /c Well, thx for the try, but it seems it hadn't been solved by now (im at work and using google chrome - I dunno if it would work on different browsers). Now the comparison doesn't show random chars anymore, but theres still the password problem. When I click on compare, it shows me both pilots, but one with shown skills, and one without. It depends on which character I choose, when clicking on compare. In the comparison window then, i have to type the password for the other char, but nothing changes, after I've typed a password (neither the one, or the other).
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.12 15:18:00 - [675] Originally by: Chribba Also added, altho I'm not 100% sure if the current method of calculating it is suitable or not. As right now it calculates based upon the CURRENT time, not the time when the sheet was updated. So the value decreases by each second - until the sheet is updated again with new values (eg skill switch/change/etc). Maybe it is better off calculating based upon when the sheet was updated. I would say time based on skill sheet update would be most suitable. Also is it any way to have a one month minimum age limit to be ranked as it is a fair few fresh chars in the top positions right now. Originally by: Chribba Signatures has also been updated to include {dob} for DoB, {davg} for daily average online time, {ss} for Security Status and {minutes} for logon minutes. /c Nice, did you ever get a chance to add "number of certificates per level" to the signatures?
dosperado Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2010.11.12 16:28:00 - [676] What about a ranking that compares the date of birth with the actual amount of skillpoints?? would be funny to see who made the most SP out of his playtime... ____________________ Security Status No.#1
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.12 16:39:00 - [677] Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 12/11/2010 16:40:03 Originally by: dosperado What about a ranking that compares the date of birth with the actual amount of skillpoints?? would be funny to see who made the most SP out of his playtime... You mean like the average amount of SP gained per hour since the caracter was created?
dosperado Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2010.11.12 23:06:00 - [678] Edited by: dosperado on 12/11/2010 23:12:03 Originally by: Mashie Saldana Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 12/11/2010 16:40:03 Originally by: dosperado What about a ranking that compares the date of birth with the actual amount of skillpoints?? would be funny to see who made the most SP out of his playtime... You mean like the average amount of SP gained per hour since the caracter was created? Yes similar to that but it's not the same...the ranking Dob/SP gained per hour...is only for interesting "new" chars...from the time when remapping, +5 imps and advanced learnings were introduced. "Old" chars could NEVER do it to the top of that list, totally impossible...because they trained a huge time without advanced learnings or +5 imps.... But who gained the most SP compared to the playtime would be more interesting for veterans... ____________________ Security Status No.#1
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.12 23:30:00 - [679] Originally by: dosperado Yes similar to that but it's not the same...the ranking Dob/SP gained per hour...is only for interesting "new" chars...from the time when remapping, +5 imps and advanced learnings were introduced. "Old" chars could NEVER do it to the top of that list, totally impossible...because they trained a huge time without advanced learnings or +5 imps.... But who gained the most SP compared to the playtime would be more interesting for veterans... How do you propose this is calculated? We know total amount of SP. We know age of chars. Divide SP by time and you get the same as SP/h.
dosperado Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2010.11.13 00:37:00 - [680] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: dosperado Yes similar to that but it's not the same...the ranking Dob/SP gained per hour...is only for interesting "new" chars...from the time when remapping, +5 imps and advanced learnings were introduced. "Old" chars could NEVER do it to the top of that list, totally impossible...because they trained a huge time without advanced learnings or +5 imps.... But who gained the most SP compared to the playtime would be more interesting for veterans... How do you propose this is calculated? We know total amount of SP. We know age of chars. Divide SP by time and you get the same as SP/h. Considering the players with high amount of SP's...you need to compare the playtime with the absolute amount of SP...with SP/h only new players can gain top ranks in such a ranking....the counterpart would be a comparison of playtime to an absolute amount of SP...not SP divided by playtime...SP/h is not what we want to measure here ;) ____________________ Security Status No.#1
Nertzius Instant Annihilation Everto Rex Regis	Posted - 2010.11.13 01:43:00 - [681] Re: Average SP/Hour (since DoB) There probably need to be two categories of rankings for this, something like players with less than some amount of sp (choose some number, at first thought I would make it something like 10m sp) and one for over that amount of sp.
dosperado Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2010.11.13 08:35:00 - [682] Originally by: dosperado Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: dosperado Yes similar to that but it's not the same...the ranking Dob/SP gained per hour...is only for interesting "new" chars...from the time when remapping, +5 imps and advanced learnings were introduced. "Old" chars could NEVER do it to the top of that list, totally impossible...because they trained a huge time without advanced learnings or +5 imps.... But who gained the most SP compared to the playtime would be more interesting for veterans... How do you propose this is calculated? We know total amount of SP. We know age of chars. Divide SP by time and you get the same as SP/h. Considering the players with high amount of SP's...you need to compare the playtime with the absolute amount of SP...with SP/h only new players can gain top ranks in such a ranking....the counterpart would be a comparison of playtime to an absolute amount of SP...not SP divided by playtime...SP/h is not what we want to measure here ;) I would replace the DoB ranking with this new ranking. The DoB ranking will never change anyways...so it's totally useless... ____________________ Security Status No.#1
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.13 11:13:00 - [683] Originally by: dosperado I would replace the DoB ranking with this new ranking. The DoB ranking will never change anyways...so it's totally useless... It will change whenever someone stop their subscription for a period, training a suboptimal skill or just jump into a pirate clone instead of their +5 set. It will also change as more people join and leave [eb]. For once the extremely old players wont have an advantage just because they are old. However Dr Caymore is still pretty high ranked in SP/h regardless of the lack of learning skills and implants in the early days. Whatever you suggest to replace it with will suffer exactly the same "uselessness" as they are controlled by the same variables (SP and time). Your best bet would be to combine the ranks for age and SP into a new rank but all in all it will be just as "static" as SP/h. As I wrote a few posts up, if we could have a minimum age for the chars to be ranked we wont suffer from 1d old chars with 60k SP ending up in the top position.
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers Independent Manufacturers Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.14 14:11:00 - [684] Originally by: Amateratsu Exellent work Chribba... I was quite surprised at my logon statistics Time online 257d 13h 00m Daily average 3h 07m 12s Logon count 3,225 Wonders how long it will take to get that up to a year spent playing eve I made the mistake of putting my full API key in. Time Online 798d 23h 16m Daily Average 6d 58h 40m Logon Count 5779 That's nearly 30% of my life for the last 7.5 years logged onto eve Drahcir
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.14 14:37:00 - [685] Originally by: Drahcir Nasom I made the mistake of putting my full API key in. Time Online 798d 23h 16m Daily Average 6d 58h 40m Logon Count 5779 That's nearly 30% of my life for the last 7.5 years logged onto eve Drahcir Now that is some spectacular daily average you got there.
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2010.11.15 20:15:00 - [686] Edited by: Claire Voyant on 15/11/2010 20:20:53 Chribba, Regarding SP/h, I would like to propose something like (SP - 800,000)/hour to try to even things out a little. Old characters were given something like 800K points at birth (although there were techniques for boosting that) and newer characters are given accelerated training that effectively gives them 800k skill points at birth. So the changed formula should come closer to the actual trained skill points per hour since birth. Edit: To be perfectly anal about this, for players with less than 1.6m SP the formula should be SP/2/h. So maybe the formula should be: (SP - max(800000,sp/2))/hours

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.15 20:55:00 - [687] Yeah the average sp/hour is not perfect, and very hard indeed to be calculated with all the changes that has been made over the year. I think that setting a limit is a good way indeed, eg must be older than X days. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.16 01:36:00 - [688] Originally by: Chribba Yeah the average sp/hour is not perfect, and very hard indeed to be calculated with all the changes that has been made over the year. I think that setting a limit is a good way indeed, eg must be older than X days. One way is to first calculate a suitable average on how long it took to go from 50k to 800k with the original skill system. Then any char born after that feature was introduced should have that calculated time added to the character age. So for example if 750k SP in the original system was equivalent of say 20 days then add 20 days to the char age for those born after the 800SP skillboost was introduced.
Fergus Runkle Minmatar Truth and Reconciliation Council	Posted - 2010.11.18 12:33:00 - [689] Hmm, why is it that I cannot seem to figure out how to have an anonymous entry in the online time / logon stats lists ? I'm anonymous in all the others, and I can see some people have managed it, I just can't seem to find the combination of what to hide ?
JTDaBeast	Posted - 2010.11.18 13:18:00 - [690] Regarding SP per hour: Would it be possible to have age brackets for this stat? Obviously the vet players will have lower numbers, but would you be able to say put players in divisions like: 1) 4 yrs and over players 2) 3 - 4 yr players etc. . . . etc. Just thinking out loud. JT
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2010.11.18 19:52:00 - [691] Originally by: Mashie Saldana One way is to first calculate a suitable average on how long it took to go from 50k to 800k with the original skill system. Then any char born after that feature was introduced should have that calculated time added to the character age. As I recall, all old characters started with at least 800k skill points. The various, races, classes, schools etc. added skills and skill levels until you went over 800k points. There were various starting options that could get you significantly higher skill points if you managed to get a level 5 skill. But I'm pretty sure you started with at least 800k. The main differences with the new system is you get to pick which skills you learn first and there is no way to "game" the system to get much more than 800k free skill points.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.18 21:03:00 - [692] Originally by: Claire Voyant Originally by: Mashie Saldana One way is to first calculate a suitable average on how long it took to go from 50k to 800k with the original skill system. Then any char born after that feature was introduced should have that calculated time added to the character age. As I recall, all old characters started with at least 800k skill points. Nope.
Kromartie	Posted - 2010.11.19 20:44:00 - [693] Chribba, is it possible to show how many SP the character will have in total once the current skill in training is complete? Thanks for a great site!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.19 21:11:00 - [694] Originally by: Kromartie Chribba, is it possible to show how many SP the character will have in total once the current skill in training is complete? Thanks for a great site! I'll add that to the todo-list, else it should be fairly easy to calculate yourself if you're in a hurry (as the next level SP is displayed). /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Fergus Runkle Minmatar Truth and Reconciliation Council	Posted - 2010.11.22 18:38:00 - [695] Originally by: Fergus Runkle Hmm, why is it that I cannot seem to figure out how to have an anonymous entry in the online time / logon stats lists ? I'm anonymous in all the others, and I can see some people have managed it, I just can't seem to find the combination of what to hide ? Hmm anyone? Chribba? Thx

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.22 19:17:00 - [696] The only way to hide it is - either hide it in the settings - or password protect your entire sheet. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.11.22 22:28:00 - [697] Edited by: digitalwanderer on 22/11/2010 22:29:22 I think eve boards site just went nuts,as i just completed carrier 5 a few hours ago,and i'm placed in 1st place in several key areas in overal rank,including highest SP in lvl 5 skills and highest sp in lvl 4 skills,wich totals about 240 million SP....LMAO. I'm even first in spaceship comand skills at 91 million SP... I'm not that high in any of those categories....Might only happen in a few years from now.
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.11.22 22:37:00 - [698] It's back to where it should be now....
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.11.23 16:30:00 - [699] umm OK to the 17 above me .. how do I make my full ranks go up ..... I've been training skills to level 3 now for a bit .. but I just seem to hover at the same place, or even drop a bit... there must be something I can do ... -- Join BIG

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.23 19:32:00 - [700] ... nude pics of your gf... Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.11.24 09:50:00 - [701] ;-p OK back to the long haul ;-p ... -- Join BIG
Fergus Runkle Minmatar Truth and Reconciliation Council	Posted - 2010.11.24 18:46:00 - [702] Originally by: Chribba The only way to hide it is - either hide it in the settings - or password protect your entire sheet. /c Doesn't work for me, if I hide Logon Stats, then I don't appear in the ranking for either total time or average time. If I password the sheet (my normal procedure) then I show up as anonymous in everything except the logon time stats, there my name shows up. Seems very odd, then everyone tells me I'm a bit special.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.24 19:07:00 - [703] Edited by: Chribba on 24/11/2010 19:10:55 You amongst the top 3? If so - then no you cannot hide yourself as top 3 will always show regardless of protected sheet or not. Else feel free to drop me a mail in-game with the pilot in question and I'll do some checking on why you don't get hidden. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.11.25 12:22:00 - [704] will you be ready for the learning removals -- Join BIG
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:10:00 - [705] Originally by: RaTTuS will you be ready for the learning removals This will have an interesting impact on the global rankings, some will rise, others will drop á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:06:00 - [706] I'll keep it like it is today, so everyone registered before December 14th and having the skills trained - will always be uber compared to pilots registering after. Oh wait it's not April 1st, but it would have been a good one... But, back to the skills, I aim to be ready sooner than that - as pretty much when it does change it will be a big can of worms for all things using learning (brrr @ evemon). So, I will be removing learning skills from [eb] in advance of the changes, hopefully there will be less errors at the time of the implementation that way. Either way, the changes are somewhat annoying overall when it comes to the code and calculations being made with learning skills in mind. Hopefully I will be ready to roll out this sooner than later, just need to down-prio life a bit to be able to do it. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Siiee Recycled Heroes	Posted - 2010.11.26 03:10:00 - [707] I would love it if there was a way to have the old learning skills "frozen" on eveboard just as a kind of flag or award of some kind (not as valid regular skills), as a record of history. I always felt like my (near) perfect learning skills were a minor point of pride. CCP is unlikely to do anything in that regards given the constraints they're working with, and I can think of no better place to have an "official" record than eveboard

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.26 12:19:00 - [708] I will see what suitable options there are to save the current learning skills as a "show-factor". /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.26 14:57:00 - [709] Another side effect of the learning skill fix is that we no longer need any decimal points for representing them. Just nice even integers from now on.
Kromartie	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:17:00 - [710] I was looking at the blueprints and ships section on the character sheets, would it be possible to have a version of this for modules? filter by: all modules / modules I can use / modules I cannot use etc. Thanks

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.03 14:28:00 - [711] The module section is on the todo list, the "problem" with the modules are that there is so many of them compared to the ships - thus the resources needed to generate module info is a lot more, that's why it is not implemented yet. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Rhaegor Stormborn H A V O C Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2010.12.03 20:10:00 - [712] Still would like a "show missing skills" option.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.12.03 21:11:00 - [713] Originally by: RaTTuS umm OK to the 17 above me .. how do I make my full ranks go up ..... I've been training skills to level 3 now for a bit .. but I just seem to hover at the same place, or even drop a bit... there must be something I can do ... o7 ... train: drones, electronics, engineering, industry, missiles, navigation, pi, social and subsystems... all categories are below average for you ;) But all joke aside ... I've also been wondering about that fluctuation stuff (having about the same average number of points as you). I guess pilots with more points fluctuate even more. It's got something to do with sorting by global rank right? You've gotta generate all the ranks for all the categories ... then reorder based on global rank which calculates to a new global rank that again has impact on the reordering? Would it be easier to give ties equal points (the average of the places they occupy)? So players tied at 1-10 will have an average of 5.5 points in that category...? That means less shuffling around in the global rank which I guess is kinda costly to rewrite all the time. .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.12.03 22:05:00 - [714] Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: RaTTuS umm OK to the 17 above me .. how do I make my full ranks go up ..... I've been training skills to level 3 now for a bit .. but I just seem to hover at the same place, or even drop a bit... there must be something I can do ... o7 ... train: drones, electronics, engineering, industry, missiles, navigation, pi, social and subsystems... all categories are below average for you ;) But all joke aside ... I've also been wondering about that fluctuation stuff (having about the same average number of points as you). I guess pilots with more points fluctuate even more. It's got something to do with sorting by global rank right? You've gotta generate all the ranks for all the categories ... then reorder based on global rank which calculates to a new global rank that again has impact on the reordering? Would it be easier to give ties equal points (the average of the places they occupy)? So players tied at 1-10 will have an average of 5.5 points in that category...? That means less shuffling around in the global rank which I guess is kinda costly to rewrite all the time. Its not so much the sorting that causes the flutuations, but new pilots joining EB, Old Pilots leaving or not renewing their subs ect. Your global score is basicly the sum total of your scores in each of the ranked catagorys / the number of catagorys that count towards the global rank. When new pilots join EB who rank better in 1 or more catagorys than you do, they will push you down the ranks for that catagory which in turn effects your global rank. If you then put training into say Drones for example, you will move up that catagory overtaking other pilots who are training something else and that will improve your global score. So as you can see, fluctuations are the nature of EB, changing the way the ranks are sorted for pilots who have maxed out a catagory will not stop the fluctuations. á
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.12.04 01:43:00 - [715] Originally by: Amateratsu Its not so much the sorting that causes the flutuations, but new pilots joining EB, Old Pilots leaving or not renewing their subs ect. Your global score is basicly the sum total of your scores in each of the ranked catagorys / the number of catagorys that count towards the global rank. When new pilots join EB who rank better in 1 or more catagorys than you do, they will push you down the ranks for that catagory which in turn effects your global rank. If you then put training into say Drones for example, you will move up that catagory overtaking other pilots who are training something else and that will improve your global score. So as you can see, fluctuations are the nature of EB, changing the way the ranks are sorted for pilots who have maxed out a catagory will not stop the fluctuations. Yes, that's the basics of it... fluctuations among those ranked highest shouldn't happen that often though. Sure there are some categories that those high ranked people don't have trained so good compared to others but what RaTTuS was talking about (I think) and I too was mainly the fluctuations in points ... going up and down in points over a short period of time while not training a category that chances internal ranking. Only from memory but while training spaceship command (where I'm ranked fairly highly and thus will only move a rank or two at most given a day of training, if that much) my points have jumped up and down about a hundred points. My only guess for that was some ordering being redone because of the global ranking as secondary ordering. Possibly quite a few characters joined in and bumped my score up and down and then quit or something ... but I find that unlikely. Joining yes, quitting no. So my average score should have dropped and stayed that way. Unfortunately I don't have any screenshots of this so I'm just going to have to take my memory for it. anyway, thought RaTTuS was talking about those fluctuations. .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.12.04 10:13:00 - [716] Lets use just 2 of the 30 catagorys that count towards the global rank to make things simpler. Lets say in drones you have 4m sp and are ranked at position 1500 and in Navigation you only have 1m sp ranking you at position 6000 for example, this will give you a global score of 1500 + 6000 / 2 = a global score of 3750. Currently there are over 24,000 players registered on EB, lets say 700 of those players are training Drones, they overtake your 4m sp pushing your rank in drones down 700 pts Resulting in your global score increasing to 2200 + 6000 / 2 = 4100 At the same time you put some training into Navigation raising your sp to 3m and moving your rank upto position 4000. Your scores now become 2200 + 4000 / 2 = 3100 Multiply the above by the 30 catagorys that count towards the global score and 24000+ players and that is where the fluctuations in scores come from. Your scores WILL fluctuate up and down on a daily basis depending on all the things mentioned above, that is normal. Secondary sorting by global rank has a minimal, barely noticable effect on the sores since it only effects those players that are tied with others. In general over time yours scores will decline down the ranks unless you counter that decline with targeted training aimed at raising your scores up the ranks. á
Mana Sanqua	Posted - 2010.12.07 15:11:00 - [717] There appears to be an anomaly on both attributes and learning tree's with "Tre'Lord" Or he has found a lot of learning tapes that no one knew about...

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.08 19:42:00 - [718] By the looks a temporary glitch when updating locked tables, should return to normal on the next update (which it appears to have done now). /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.12.10 15:19:00 - [719] Chribba when you get some time to spare, any chance you can add the non public and creation only skills to the list in the advanced search? would be interesting to see how many players have salvage drone op, genetic engineering ect.. There was a post recently of a player claiming to have the skill "Media". Curious to see what other non-public skills players have as well as the known ones. Thanks. á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.10 21:16:00 - [720] Added to todo. And as far as 'Media' goes - sounds like GM hax if so as I never heard of it anywhere remotely of being able to be trained. I always figured the day would be when a GM/ISD/Dev add themselves and show up having Polaris skill... Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Hendrik Tiberius Light Years Ahead Violent Entity	Posted - 2010.12.13 07:46:00 - [721] Hello, thank you for the great site Chribba. I noticed a small thing on my character http://eveboard.com/pilot/Hendrik_Tiberius the ORE Industrial skill is displayed as being at level 0 while it really is at 3. It has been like this since over a week. I used my 100k sp gift we got a while back for training that skill maybe that has something to do with it. (I saved those sp for an occasion like this when I wanted a skill that wasn't in my current attribute remap.)

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.13 19:33:00 - [722] Hendrik, can you try train the skill for 2 extra SP or so and then pause and return to your normal training and see if that fixes it? I checked the API values - and it reports 0 so maybe the SP addition does not add the values like a normal training would... /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.13 20:33:00 - [723] Learning skills are now disabled as a part of the globalRank calculations. [eb] will still save your learning skills - and on the update - it will keep them for legacy value, but they will not be used in any calculations or rankings. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.12.13 20:57:00 - [724] Did you break something on EB Chribs Just got the following err msg "Permanently temporary offline for an unknown amount of time within the scheduled timeframe based on the solar eclipses." á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.13 21:03:00 - [725] Nope it's all good, taking it offline for a shorter db maintenance. The db has grown from 8GB to 13GB in just 45 days, so I need to do a minor cleanup. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Neurotic Cat Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.12.14 21:30:00 - [726] I love the EveBoard - I couldn't be a proper Skill***** without it. Thanks for all your work. What's going on with the global ship statistics page? It always seems to fail these days: //eveboard.com/statistics/ships Error occured in caching routine! Error -2147467259/Unspecified error
Thynar Gallente Melita Foundation	Posted - 2010.12.14 21:53:00 - [727] Edited by: Thynar on 14/12/2010 21:57:02 My "Highest Skill Value" is registering a value of slightly over 6 billion. I am fairly sure it should read approximately 600 million. The error seems to have occurred after I bought and trained the ORE Industrial skill. Quick edit - thanks for EvEboard!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.15 09:57:00 - [728] @Neurotic Cat, The cache error is most likely due to the big database, but I'm working on the performance thing there. @Thynar, It should reset properly when the accurate data is added for all items (next DB dump?) Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.12.15 14:53:00 - [729] Hey Chribba, I noticed you have changed it so the Learning skills are kept for historical value. Is it any way we can delete the learning skills from the sheet?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.15 17:22:00 - [730] At this time only way would be to poke me and I'll remove them. I'm all for a discussion to keep or not to keep them displayed (as frankly having them there is causing more problems than good in calculations lol) Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Kelby Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.15 17:42:00 - [731] Nuke em, might only confuse new people in the long run. Is it possible to see unallocated skill points from the API?
Hendrik Tiberius Light Years Ahead Violent Entity	Posted - 2010.12.15 18:25:00 - [732] Edited by: Hendrik Tiberius on 15/12/2010 18:26:56 Originally by: Chribba Hendrik, can you try train the skill for 2 extra SP or so and then pause and return to your normal training and see if that fixes it? I checked the API values - and it reports 0 so maybe the SP addition does not add the values like a normal training would... /c Thanks Chribba, that worked. I also paid attention to do the same with the skills I put sp from learning skills in just now :) Capital Industrial Ships 5 yay. This was a pretty smooth patch I have to say and the api is up again already too, nice work from CCP. Oh and I'm also for not keeping the old learning skills around. Indeed it might only confuse new players. Displaying unallocated sp would be a nice option if possible with the api.
Necronous	Posted - 2010.12.15 19:58:00 - [733] As a maxed learning player and a database engineer, I vote to nuke 'em. They're dead, no need to show/save.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.12.15 20:32:00 - [734] Originally by: Chribba At this time only way would be to poke me and I'll remove them. I'm all for a discussion to keep or not to keep them displayed (as frankly having them there is causing more problems than good in calculations lol) Please nuke them then, they are only bad memories now.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.15 21:16:00 - [735] Originally by: Kelby Is it possible to see unallocated skill points from the API? Nope, but I have already requested that to be added - so I guess a Soon(tm) for it's addition. @Nukes - Will do asap. Also - what are your thoughts of inactive pilots - keep or removal after X number of days/weeks/months? Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Kelby Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.15 21:23:00 - [736] Edited by: Kelby on 15/12/2010 21:23:16 I'd be tempted to remove inactive pilots after say 60-ish days? Or if they are not taking up too much space in the database maybe just exclude them from rankings until they login again. Thanks

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.15 21:33:00 - [737] They are already excluded from rankings, they are however included in statistics , which has a point imo since stats are showing an overall view - but inactive pilots also do cause stats to be less accurate in a way since they are no longer active and as such does not represent the current time. Some info from pilots have been moved to a storage database atm (standings mainly) so all info is not available on them (\o/ about 7 million rows less in one table) Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.12.16 01:49:00 - [738] remove them as soon (pool up possibly) as you fail to get api information because they are inactive but keep the api information and poll that every now and then to check for activity? .
Resolute Stormbringer ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.16 05:28:00 - [739] Learning Skills - Nuke them - they are pretty useless stat now, I canÆt see who would be interested in them and they certainly arenÆt worth the overhead. Inactives - Nuke after 30 days, keep IDÆs, poll them 1/day, and if they become active re-include them. Number of Level X skills - I still think your best bet for the global rankings is to include the higher number of level x skills with the lower level ones. I.E. the categories should be changed from being 'The Number of level 4 skills' to being 'The number of level4+ skills' which would include BOTH the number of level 4 & 5 skills together. You would do the same for the other similar types of skills (so number of level 3+, you could even consider doing this for the number of skillpoints by level x . You could then include these (skillpoints by level x+) into your global ranks. This then gets around the problem of the fact that as you get more level 5 skills you make your rankings worse because you start to get some really high level 3 & 4 ranks. In addition, this will then allow you to assign a much bigger 'default rank' for those catagories that people have nothing in, which will then genuinely give a æbad rankÆ to those people who have avoided certain skill groups like æSubsystemsÆ or æplanetary managementÆ. The ædefaultÆ rank can then become whatever the number of people in the database is. (And therefore grow as the database grows) If people want to get rid of these bad ædefault rankÆ penalties, it is relatively easy as all they have to do is go out and train some skills in these groups. At the moment you canÆt do this due to the ænumber of level x skillsÆ, as you would be penalizing people for becoming better, but the above changes make this all possible.
Juwi Kotch Fiat Iustitia	Posted - 2010.12.16 08:37:00 - [740] Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 16/12/2010 08:39:14 Makes sense, what Stormbringer wrote. 1. Learning skills are of no value anymore, so - if keeping them adds workload and headache to you - just get rid of them. Inactive pilots should not be included in the rankings and listings, in my opinion. We would just need to clarify after which time a pilot is regarded as inactive. I'd suggest 3 months. 2. I have distributed my learning skill points (I'm one of the guys which used to have 5/5) to other skills yesterday. Till this morning, nothing of that shows up in my eveoboard rankings besides the reduction of the total skillpoint value. Is that a general problem with the API or with eveboard, or is it my character? (Same problem with evemon, btw.)
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.12.16 09:42:00 - [741] Edited by: Amateratsu on 16/12/2010 09:44:19 Originally by: Juwi Kotch 2. I have distributed my learning skill points (I'm one of the guys which used to have 5/5) to other skills yesterday. Till this morning, nothing of that shows up in my eveoboard rankings besides the reduction of the total skillpoint value. Is that a general problem with the API or with eveboard, or is it my character? (Same problem with evemon, btw.) Its the API, i have the same issue with Eve-Mon. All the redistributed sp is not showing, injected skills that i put straight to level 5 are showing as untrained. New Certificates are showing, but none of the sp And i agree nuke the learning skills, and inactive pilots as soon as they go inactive. If they come back, it won't take them 2 minutes to re-register on EB. á
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.12.16 12:08:00 - [742] would it be possible to allow Bleep Codes for eveboard ? -- Join BIG
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.12.16 12:15:00 - [743] Originally by: RaTTuS would it be possible to allow Bleep Codes for eveboard ? So to filter stuff you send to Chribba you provide the full API information to another person (sure he is in your corp) but still, makes no sense as to why anyone outside of your corp/alliance would use that feature.
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.12.16 12:33:00 - [744] yeah there are some people in BIG who will not connect their API to external stuff. and there are plenty of people trust torn to do as he says. I was just asking .... -- Join BIG

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.17 19:47:00 - [745] Thanks for the input, keep it comimng. I will most likely restort to remove the learning skills in the near future just so I don't have to care about the special queries. And also take a closer look at what difference removing inactive players would do. As far as bleep codes, while I could include them, they semi defeat one of the purpose of [eb] - that the information is accurate, while I obviously don't expect or think that the information received via bleep would be manipulated for the sake of pwning a rank it could happen as a April fools joke, which downwards the line would provide inaccurate calculations to ranks and the likes. Of course if there is a bigger demand I will look into it, but for the moment if there are 4-5 people looking to use it it will unfortunatly not be on the high priority list. The obvious downside of bleep used in [eb] is the one week validity... /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Nertzius Instant Annihilation Everto Rex Regis	Posted - 2010.12.17 20:30:00 - [746] Darn, I was hoping you would have a way to show rankings against all players in the future. As a software engineer I can understand your database issues so won't be too broken up if you choose to remove the inactive players. The reason I am interested in rankings versus inactive players is to know how well I am progressing towards passing older players whom were once more skilled than I was. It's a very slow process to catch and pass active players.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.12.17 21:00:00 - [747] Originally by: Nertzius The reason I am interested in rankings versus inactive players is to know how well I am progressing towards passing older players whom were once more skilled than I was. It's a very slow process to catch and pass active players. Could be interesting to keep a thumb print of inactive players ... That table would have low activity and a much smaller size than the whole sheet. Of course that's a "big" feature to add in terms code maintenance and things that can go wrong. The interesting part like you say would be to see the skillpoint demographics of inactive vs active players (which you can pull out now but with all the data load of the inactives). .

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.19 18:07:00 - [748] Learning skills are now getting nuked on pilot update. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Resolute Stormbringer ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.19 22:25:00 - [749] Chribba any thoughts about making 'Number of Level X Skills' into 'Number of Level X+ Skills'? So Number of Level 5 Skills - remains unchanged Number of Level 4+ Skills = Level 4's + Level 5's Number of Level 3+ Skills = Level 3's + Level 4's + Level 5's etc This would then get rid of the fact that you make your global ranking worse when you are actually improving youself AND allow you to assign a bigger negative for being unranked in a skill catagory like can happen with subsystems and planetary managment. Make the unranked penalty from 1000 to either 10,000 or equal to the number of active pilots in the database so as the database grows so to does the unranked penalty.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.12.20 14:17:00 - [750] Originally by: Resolute Stormbringer Chribba any thoughts about making 'Number of Level X Skills' into 'Number of Level X+ Skills'? So Number of Level 5 Skills - remains unchanged Number of Level 4+ Skills = Level 4's + Level 5's Number of Level 3+ Skills = Level 3's + Level 4's + Level 5's etc This would then get rid of the fact that you make your global ranking worse when you are actually improving youself AND allow you to assign a bigger negative for being unranked in a skill catagory like can happen with subsystems and planetary managment. Make the unranked penalty from 1000 to either 10,000 or equal to the number of active pilots in the database so as the database grows so to does the unranked penalty. I think this is a good idea, I recently noticed Drahcir Nasom dropped from a global rank of 14th to 115th purely because he had a single skill at level 3 and subsequant rank of over 24,000 compared to a penalty of 1,000 for having none. It actually pays in some cases to have no rank and a fixed 1k penalty in various catagory's to improve your global rank, which is not a good reflection on how well you've trained, or how the ranking should work. á
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.12.20 19:38:00 - [751] Originally by: Amateratsu It actually pays in some cases to have no rank and a fixed 1k penalty in various catagory's to improve your global rank, which is not a good reflection on how well you've trained, or how the ranking should work. This works for certificates so it should work fine for skill levels too... this isn't a nerf for lower skillpoint players even but it is a boost for people that have more skills ... but all in all it equals out because more skills = less points per skill average. \o/ from me... .
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.12.20 20:25:00 - [752] Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: Amateratsu It actually pays in some cases to have no rank and a fixed 1k penalty in various catagory's to improve your global rank, which is not a good reflection on how well you've trained, or how the ranking should work. This works for certificates so it should work fine for skill levels too... this isn't a nerf for lower skillpoint players even but it is a boost for people that have more skills ... but all in all it equals out because more skills = less points per skill average. \o/ from me... I'm all for this even though I probably will get penalised at less than 200 skills in total.
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.12.21 11:29:00 - [753] yeah I'm currently moving to get my level 2 skills away [as well as doing another level 5 for more certificates ] I'm also for this sort of change -- Join BIG
Viggen The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2010.12.21 16:02:00 - [754] Stormbringers idea.... Signed. Eveboard Viggen
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2010.12.21 16:27:00 - [755] Chribba When you get some time to spare can you addust the formatting for the EB Global Rankings Front Page please Basicly where the catagory headers word wrap to a 2nd line causes the frame to be slightly higher than its neighbouring frames, which is starting to annoy my OCD... Also theres now a big hole where the learning skills frame used to be with just the frame header showing... Same in character full ranks page learning frame is still there but now shows no-data. Thanks and sorry to be a pain. á
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.12.21 17:48:00 - [756] Originally by: Mashie Saldana I'm all for this even though I probably will get penalised at less than 200 skills in total. I guess you are thoroughly enjoying your skill points per skill though :¦ Granted though that there will be 6 categories (lvl1-5 ... not expecting lvl0 ... and number of skills) vs sp/skill. Possibly have that weigh more or just tell those low (skills) lives (honored specialized pilots) to suck it up and cross train! :) .
Resolute Stormbringer ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.22 06:48:00 - [757] Originally by: Ravenal Granted though that there will be 6 categories (lvl1-5 ... not expecting lvl0 ... and number of skills) vs sp/skill. Possibly have that weigh more or just tell those low (skills) lives (honored specialized pilots) to suck it up and cross train! :) You would still only count the 3+, 4+ and 5 towards the global rank so the total number of catagories that go towards the global rank doesn't change. Though if Chribba wanted to he COULD throw in the 0+ one and then you wouldn't need the 'total number of skills' as both catagories would give identical ranking/score. i.e Total Number of Level 0+ Skills WOULD ALSO EQUAL Total Number of Skills ALSO Total Skill Points per Level 0+ Skills WOULD ALSO EQUAL Total Skillpoints. So you would only have to count one catagory in each of these pairings so you didn't double up. But that's pretty obvious.
Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2010.12.24 16:38:00 - [758] Originally by: Resolute Stormbringer Chribba any thoughts about making 'Number of Level X Skills' into 'Number of Level X+ Skills'? So Number of Level 5 Skills - remains unchanged Number of Level 4+ Skills = Level 4's + Level 5's Number of Level 3+ Skills = Level 3's + Level 4's + Level 5's etc This would then get rid of the fact that you make your global ranking worse when you are actually improving youself AND allow you to assign a bigger negative for being unranked in a skill catagory like can happen with subsystems and planetary managment. Make the unranked penalty from 1000 to either 10,000 or equal to the number of active pilots in the database so as the database grows so to does the unranked penalty. A good idea. Echos my thoughts of a year ago: Originally by: Dr Caymus, 18/10/2009, pg. 5 ...I like Tripoli's idea for a streamlined calculation, with a couple of modifications to make the system more competitive for "younger" characters: Total skillpoints Number of skills Number of Level 3 or higher skills (one statistic) Most SP in Corporation Managament, Drones, Electronics, etc. Total certificates...
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers Independent Manufacturers Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.29 11:21:00 - [759] Originally by: Dr Caymus Originally by: Resolute Stormbringer Chribba any thoughts about making 'Number of Level X Skills' into 'Number of Level X+ Skills'? So Number of Level 5 Skills - remains unchanged Number of Level 4+ Skills = Level 4's + Level 5's Number of Level 3+ Skills = Level 3's + Level 4's + Level 5's etc This would then get rid of the fact that you make your global ranking worse when you are actually improving youself AND allow you to assign a bigger negative for being unranked in a skill catagory like can happen with subsystems and planetary managment. Make the unranked penalty from 1000 to either 10,000 or equal to the number of active pilots in the database so as the database grows so to does the unranked penalty. A good idea. Echos my thoughts of a year ago: Originally by: Dr Caymus, 18/10/2009, pg. 5 ...I like Tripoli's idea for a streamlined calculation, with a couple of modifications to make the system more competitive for "younger" characters: Total skillpoints Number of skills Number of Level 3 or higher skills (one statistic) Most SP in Corporation Managament, Drones, Electronics, etc. Total certificates... Not sure I like that suggestion from last year though, I think you still need to have lvl 4s and lvl 5s as separate rankings, because it's fairly easy to get a skill to lvl 3, and so the ranking "Level 3 or higher" would pretty much reflect the total skills ranking, even the Titan skills can be got to lvl 3 in about 2d 13h. So it wouldn't be too hard for those 8 people who have 387 skills to also have 387 skills @ lvl 3 or higher. Viggen only has 1 skill below lvl 3, Tripoli, Lord Darkness and Celestoid don't have any. Resolute Stormbringer's idea is much better, making each Level X Skills rank into Level X+ Skills but still only counting lvl 3+, 4+ and 5 in the global rank. Drahcir
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita	Posted - 2010.12.29 14:07:00 - [760] Ok... I have to say thank you to Chribba today for making me laugh. I'd never noticed that the statistics page had a 'Veldspar' category on the Skillgroup Distribution graph before. :) Excellent work. Interesting times await...
Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2010.12.29 16:14:00 - [761] Originally by: Drahcir Nasom Not sure I like that suggestion from last year though, I think you still need to have lvl 4s and lvl 5s as separate rankings, because it's fairly easy to get a skill to lvl 3, and so the ranking "Level 3 or higher" would pretty much reflect the total skills ranking, even the Titan skills can be got to lvl 3 in about 2d 13h. So it wouldn't be too hard for those 8 people who have 387 skills to also have 387 skills @ lvl 3 or higher. Viggen only has 1 skill below lvl 3, Tripoli, Lord Darkness and Celestoid don't have any. Resolute Stormbringer's idea is much better, making each Level X Skills rank into Level X+ Skills but still only counting lvl 3+, 4+ and 5 in the global rank. Drahcir Good points. Last year's discussion revolved around trying to make the computation simple, reflective of at minimum a moderate level of achievement, and competitively accessible to a broader range of characters than just the "oldest" in the game. But limiting the leveling component of the computation to "Level 3 or Higher" would fail to weigh leveling achievements appropriately, particularly in light of the advancements that leading characters have made in the past 14 months. Weight given to Level 4 and Level 5 rankings would would be diluted to insignificant levels, and the "Level 3 or Higher" stat would be a multi-way tie at the top, similar to "Total Skills" today. The "Good Idea" element of Res's suggestion is that the leveling components of the ranking should be cumulative (level n or higher) rather than individual, so that characters do not fall in the ranking as a result of advancing skills from level 3 to 4 or 4 to 5. And the need for simplicity does not seem to be an issue, as Chribba has consistently shown that statistical complexity is no problem
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.01 12:50:00 - [762] Count number of level 5 skills as per the current ranking, if you have 0 of them put them at the very last place. Count number of level 4 skills as per number of 5's and 4's as suggested above, if a char lack any 3 or 4 then again rank them at whatever is the bottom position. Don't count level 3 skills at all in the ranking as that simply will add a duplication for the ranking of total number of skills.
laksmi2	Posted - 2011.01.05 05:26:00 - [763] Edited by: laksmi2 on 05/01/2011 05:26:50 suggestion: parallel to the overall ranking introduce 3 other ranking lists overall combat/combat support (including caps) subcap combat/combat support industry/science reasoning: i have a 100 m char (mostly combat with some specialisations but jack of all trades) ranked somewhere in the 300s and a 130 m char very specialised in combat ranked in the 2600s. the overall ranking is nice but chars that specialise for a role are unduly punished imo. many skills would be present in all 3 new lists (electronic, navigation engineering and dozens more) which skills should go into which lists can be discussed by the active people in this thread.
laksmi2	Posted - 2011.01.05 06:18:00 - [764] Edited by: laksmi2 on 05/01/2011 06:20:14 to get discussion started here a little list skills that could be argued either way: anchoring: used for pos and bubbles for instance (include in all) CORPMANAGEMENT: should be included in industry although they arent really industry anchoring: used for pos and bubbles for instance (include in all) starbase defence: combat but not shipbased (include in combat) DRONES: i dont have any idea which droneskills influence mining drones electronics, electronic upgrades: in all for fitting) Cloaking (in combat only) cynofield (in all) targeting/multitask (in all because of the roids) engineering, all cap (of own ship) related skills (to all) leadershipskills up to fleetcomand (in all because of mining fleets) rigsskills that enable for instance salvaging rigs and astrometric rigs (to all) NAVIGATION (to all) biology (combat only if there is no booster thats useful for industry /science) infomorph psychology (far fetched but i would put it in all) cybernetics (to all) cloning facility (far fetched again but id palce it in all) industrials (in industry only even though they were used in last alliance tournament and fear of the battlebadger) i left many out of course
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:06:00 - [765] Chribba, I'm not sure if anyone has bugreported this yet, but the links to the Ancestry stats pages are dead, such as http://eveboard.com/statistics/ancestry/Saan_Go_Caste where you land on the main stats page.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.05 20:54:00 - [766] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Chribba, I'm not sure if anyone has bugreported this yet, but the links to the Ancestry stats pages are dead, such as http://eveboard.com/statistics/ancestry/Saan_Go_Caste where you land on the main stats page. Yep I'm aware of the issue, ancestry is still not operational (+I have forgoten about it lately). Thanks for reminding me Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

RustyPwnStar Azn Empire	Posted - 2011.01.15 09:26:00 - [767] Edited by: RustyPwnStar on 15/01/2011 09:28:46 Originally by: Chribba Yeah the average sp/hour is not perfect, and very hard indeed to be calculated with all the changes that has been made over the year. I think that setting a limit is a good way indeed, eg must be older than X days. Any more on this idea Chribba? Edit: Personally I think a 10 mil SP to be a good limit for a starting requirement.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.15 13:28:00 - [768] Still on the todo, have a busy schedule atm making my time to code very limited. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

RustyPwnStar Azn Empire	Posted - 2011.01.15 15:52:00 - [769] Originally by: Chribba Still on the todo, have a busy schedule atm making my time to code very limited. /c OK cool, thanks for replying and many thanks for the work you've already done.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:43:00 - [770] Originally by: Chribba Still on the todo, have a busy schedule atm making my time to code very limited. /c Sleeping is overrated. Also are you going to update the eve-search portrait database with the new portraits or just re-point eveboard to the new image server?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.19 14:24:00 - [771] I don't know, I assume you all want the new images, but while I at the same time want to keep using my own cache that would mean EVE-Search will need to change as well - so I haven't decided yet. But the outcome is most likely to change to the new, unless you, the users have opinions, feel free to discuss it. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Kelby Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:34:00 - [772] IÆm not a fan of the new character creator (or the portraits it produces) but it probably makes sense to switch to the new ones. Much like learning skills, there is not much point into hanging on to EVEÆs old bits.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:42:00 - [773] Any chance of using the old and the new portrait side by side? That would be my preferred solution.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:49:00 - [774] Originally by: Estel Arador Any chance of using the old and the new portrait side by side? That would be my preferred solution. Or let us select it in the preferences for eveboard which one to display?
princess abbie TEDDYBEARS. Aesir Empire	Posted - 2011.01.19 20:19:00 - [775] Originally by: Estel Arador Any chance of using the old and the new portrait side by side? That would be my preferred solution. that would be awesome -------------------------------------------- Looking for someone to make me a proper sig
Corozan Aspinall Party Time Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.19 21:45:00 - [776] Is there a way to force EB to update to my new portrait?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.19 23:27:00 - [777] Originally by: Corozan Aspinall Is there a way to force EB to update to my new portrait? Nope. It will only show the new if I remove the old cached one (or implement the dual-show). Maybe I will do a mouse-over thing Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Corozan Aspinall Party Time Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.19 23:33:00 - [778] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Corozan Aspinall Is there a way to force EB to update to my new portrait? Nope. It will only show the new if I remove the old cached one (or implement the dual-show). Maybe I will do a mouse-over thing Can you delete mine from your cache? *kisses
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2011.01.20 04:21:00 - [779] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Estel Arador Any chance of using the old and the new portrait side by side? That would be my preferred solution. Or let us select it in the preferences for eveboard which one to display? I think this would be the best option, giving us the choice of which to use á
Corozan Aspinall Party Time Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.20 10:19:00 - [780] I don't really see the point tbh. The old portraits are officially dead and buried. Having a mixture of old and new is just fugly. Time to let them go man.
Death Cell Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.20 10:56:00 - [781] Chribba, Thanks for the great website. Any idea when all the portraits will update to the new spiffy HD ones?
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.01.20 11:44:00 - [782] the old ones may be dead, [do another of those massive pictures 1st] let people keep their old ones via a flag in the log in ? let the rest update.... how big is the image cache ? -- Join BIG

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.20 18:08:00 - [783] I will probably switch over in the near future. I will keep the old ones though as they are only a few 100mb. The hardware is also getting an upgrade at the same time - as soon as I receive the last parts Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Death Cell Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.21 13:53:00 - [784] Originally by: Chribba I will probably switch over in the near future. I will keep the old ones though as they are only a few 100mb. The hardware is also getting an upgrade at the same time - as soon as I receive the last parts Cool, Hey' ,I've noticed that some people on Eveboard now have the new avatars instead of the old ones.. Is this just because they registered after the Patch? Or is there a way to delete/modify/remake your profile to have the new avatar?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.24 11:15:00 - [785] Originally by: Death Cell Originally by: Chribba I will probably switch over in the near future. I will keep the old ones though as they are only a few 100mb. The hardware is also getting an upgrade at the same time - as soon as I receive the last parts Cool, Hey' ,I've noticed that some people on Eveboard now have the new avatars instead of the old ones.. Is this just because they registered after the Patch? Or is there a way to delete/modify/remake your profile to have the new avatar? Those that have new avatars are new characters yes. Else it will be the old ones until I smack the cache up (eta probably when CCP's grace period is over so that I don't have to wipe the cache every other day for the new faces). /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.24 14:48:00 - [786] Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 24/01/2011 14:49:33 Originally by: Chribba Those that have new avatars are new characters yes. Else it will be the old ones until I smack the cache up (eta probably when CCP's grace period is over so that I don't have to wipe the cache every other day for the new faces). /c Why not link directly to the CCP servers? They are dimensioned enough to supply evegate and the forums so can't image eveboard will add much extra load. This way you will never have to worry about the caching either.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.24 15:08:00 - [787] How else will I be able to replace your faces with Veldspar icons? haha I rather rely on my own service then everything goes to hell when CCP patches etc. That's why I link it to my own cache + it is a way of keeping history or how people look even if they change portrait. And lastly, it enables em to at times insert for example racial logo on top of the image (as some may have noticed on the image of me on EVE-Search posts). /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.24 16:18:00 - [788] Originally by: Chribba How else will I be able to replace your faces with Veldspar icons? haha I rather rely on my own service then everything goes to hell when CCP patches etc. That's why I link it to my own cache + it is a way of keeping history or how people look even if they change portrait. And lastly, it enables em to at times insert for example racial logo on top of the image (as some may have noticed on the image of me on EVE-Search posts). /c Fair enough, would have been a nice quick fix though and it would have solved the issue where characters that don't post on eve-o still end up with a picture on [eb]. How often will you have the cache updated now as it will be a lot less static compared to the past 7.5 years?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.26 20:06:00 - [789] Actually the "unknown" chars does not always link to post on the forums or not, as a request pulls data from CCP, so if it has no avatar it means it wasn't rendered on CCP's servers - forum or not. And I foresee a speedier board in the future based upon my initial test of the new hardware - Linkage /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:11:00 - [790] Nice one Chribba. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.01.29 14:12:00 - [791] Edited by: Drykor on 29/01/2011 14:16:00 a few new comments: Ships for a corporation (http://eveboard.com/statistics/corporation/CORPNAME/ships) are not greyed out when no one can fly them. On the skills page for corporation (http://eveboard.com/statistics/corporation/CORPNAME/skills) skills that no one has should imo appear in the list with 0%. On the main corp overview (http://eveboard.com/statistics/corporation/CORPNAME) it would be nice to be able to click on a bar (say 50-55M skillpoints) and see which pilots are there. Also, when going to http://eveboard.com/statistics/ships I get the following error after loading some time: Error occured in caching routine! Error -2147467259/Unspecified error Guess this is a bit too much information to query on? --- Drykor - AHARM

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.30 15:24:00 - [792] Thanks will look into it. As for the cache error, yeah the problem is usually that the checks take more resources than available (but the new hardware should take care of that hopefully). /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

dosperado Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2011.01.31 00:18:00 - [793] Hmm my account expired and my char vanished from the list...after reactivating I changed my API key and updated it in the account details. But the ranks are not calculated anymore for me....bug? ____________________ Security Status No.#1

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.31 11:52:00 - [794] Originally by: dosperado Hmm my account expired and my char vanished from the list...after reactivating I changed my API key and updated it in the account details. But the ranks are not calculated anymore for me....bug? Should be now, chances are that you activated, updated and went to ranks directly. It takes a while for ranks to update since they are not in real-time, thus you have to wait for the scheduled updates to run before being able to see your ranks. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

dosperado Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2011.01.31 13:10:00 - [795] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: dosperado Hmm my account expired and my char vanished from the list...after reactivating I changed my API key and updated it in the account details. But the ranks are not calculated anymore for me....bug? Should be now, chances are that you activated, updated and went to ranks directly. It takes a while for ranks to update since they are not in real-time, thus you have to wait for the scheduled updates to run before being able to see your ranks. /c It's ok now...took about 48 hours to display my rankings again. ____________________ Security Status No.#1
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.02.04 10:18:00 - [796] I do like your latest portrait chribba ... -- Join BIG
Estel Arador	Posted - 2011.02.04 11:41:00 - [797] Indeed, it looks a bit older and wiser, more in keeping with your reputation

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.02.04 12:12:00 - [798] Thank you And fyi, the Avatar cache on EVE-Search has now been reset. So new faces should appear everywhere that it is being used. Old portraits are obviously kept, but undecided if/how they will be used in any way. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.02.04 12:38:00 - [799] Oh, very nice to finally get [eb] in HD
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:13:00 - [800] Originally by: Chribba Old portraits are obviously kept, but undecided if/how they will be used in any way. /c do one of those massive images ... based on your old face? -- Join BIG
Chakarr Minmatar Anarchistic Carebears Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.02.13 14:05:00 - [801] Love the site Chribba, many thanks for the work you do Question - are the corp logos chached manually like the portraits? Or will they eventually update if say, someone (me!) changed their corp logo? If they are manually cached could you please re-cache ours please? Corp logo id=98007792 Thanks

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.02.13 16:35:00 - [802] They are cached like the portraits, will issue a renewal of yours. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2011.02.14 02:51:00 - [803] Veldspar! (the latest salutation of utmost regard, supplanting dated terms of yesteryear such as uber, roxor, cool, groovy, nifty, or whatever that are so second millennium...)

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:02:00 - [804] Edited by: Chribba on 15/02/2011 17:04:55 FYI; API Log access. I will soon begin to do some testing of the new [eb] server and pilot data updates, so for those of you that monitor your API log for unusual requests you will see an additional requestee (.21) Just waiting for a reply as to how many concurrent threads I may use for the updates (with the hopes that I now can do wide-updates in much shorter time than before). edit/And also some good news of the new server, it generates the most intensive script run, which before gave timeouts most of the time - in less than 15 seconds now. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:11:00 - [805] Cool -- Join BIG
Integra Arkanheld	Posted - 2011.02.17 12:30:00 - [806] Very good web page. It is very interesting to see others characters to compare the evolution of our own one. The only thing that seems a bit strange is the overall rank. It seems a bit strange that a character like mine with few SP points has a high overall rank. Integra I wonder how it is calculated.
Chakarr Minmatar Anarchistic Carebears Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.02.17 12:37:00 - [807] Originally by: Chribba They are cached like the portraits, will issue a renewal of yours. /c Thank you sir, am looking forward to seeing the new shiny one on EB (well actually less shiny than the primary coloured it is atm) (am I a little OCD...? Yes maybe lol)
Contralto Rift Tech	Posted - 2011.02.17 18:10:00 - [808] Hi Chribba Could I ask for an Avatar and corp logo update please. Both have been changed recently. Thanks in advance,
Contralto Rift Tech	Posted - 2011.02.17 18:22:00 - [809] Originally by: Integra Arkanheld Very good web page. It is very interesting to see others characters to compare the evolution of our own one. The only thing that seems a bit strange is the overall rank. It seems a bit strange that a character like mine with few SP points has a high overall rank. Integra I wonder how it is calculated. I often wonder the same thing, this character has 92 mill Sp's and is ranked around 1400 for SP's but 87 overall, Dob is Dec 05, most if not all those ahead of me are at least 04. The next up in overall rank (86) has 126 million SP's, I must have hit the ranking sweet spot with my mix of skills. My ranking has been steadily climbing for several months now as I add Perc/will skills. 3 months ago I was #160.
Integra Arkanheld	Posted - 2011.02.17 18:33:00 - [810] Yes, it would be nice to have a link in the web page explaining how is the overall rank calculated. Some players prefer to specialize, while others (like me) prefer to learn a little of everything. It seems that the ranking is only for generalist players.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2011.02.17 18:44:00 - [811] Originally by: Integra Arkanheld Yes, it would be nice to have a link in the web page explaining how is the overall rank calculated. Some players prefer to specialize, while others (like me) prefer to learn a little of everything. It seems that the ranking is only for generalist players. This... Your global score is basicly the average of your score in all the individual catagorys, so those that train a good selection of skills in all ranking catagorys will score better than those who specialise and leave gatagorys of skills untrained, or very few skills in said catagorys. The calculation used is explained by Chribba in this very thread a few pages back if you care to search for it á The Eve Personality Test
Integra Arkanheld	Posted - 2011.02.17 21:38:00 - [812] Edited by: Integra Arkanheld on 17/02/2011 21:43:15 Ok, thank you, I will check the forum. (found in page 22)
Viggen Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.17 21:38:00 - [813] If you check the main page, the one that shows the top ten of all the categories you will see a (!) next to most of the headings. The average of these ranks are what is used to work out your global/overall ranking. The Global/Overall rank is as it says, a score that shows how well rounded a character is. I too like to keep my character as well rounded as possible, being able to do everything, as you can see by my battle with Akilah to keep the number one spot Yes their are more specialised characters out there than mine, and for people who want to have the best skilled character in science or gunnery skills etc, they have their own ranking number one spot to reach as well :) Eveboard Viggen

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.02.19 15:27:00 - [814] Originally by: Contralto Hi Chribba Could I ask for an Avatar and corp logo update please. Both have been changed recently. Thanks in advance, Fixed, sorry for the delay. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Contralto Rift Tech	Posted - 2011.02.19 16:04:00 - [815] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Contralto Hi Chribba Could I ask for an Avatar and corp logo update please. Both have been changed recently. Thanks in advance, Fixed, sorry for the delay. /c Your a champ! thanks, Avatar is updated, does the corp logo update at a longer interval?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.02.19 20:55:00 - [816] Originally by: Contralto Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Contralto Hi Chribba Could I ask for an Avatar and corp logo update please. Both have been changed recently. Thanks in advance, Fixed, sorry for the delay. /c Your a champ! thanks, Avatar is updated, does the corp logo update at a longer interval? Both got updated, try clear your cache, at least it switched to a blue logo on my side... Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Contralto Rift Tech	Posted - 2011.02.19 21:17:00 - [817] I refreshed the browser page, that did the trick, I was previously just refreshing using the ranks button and reloading from the search box. Thanks again, 'EB' is a great addition to your stable!
Chakarr Minmatar Anarchistic Carebears Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.02.21 00:48:00 - [818] Originally by: Chribba Both got updated, try clear your cache, at least it switched to a blue logo on my side... My corp logo is still the old one Linkage Tried clearing cache etc, didn't work...new one is a red star with a trident, sorry to be a PITA

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.02.21 11:16:00 - [819] Originally by: Chakarr Originally by: Chribba Both got updated, try clear your cache, at least it switched to a blue logo on my side... My corp logo is still the old one Linkage Tried clearing cache etc, didn't work...new one is a red star with a trident, sorry to be a PITA Refreshed. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Chakarr Minmatar Anarchistic Carebears Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.02.21 14:55:00 - [820] Brilliant ! Thank you
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2011.02.23 10:49:00 - [821] Hey Chribba Have the eve data exports been updated to include the Planetary Interaction Certificates yet? They are still not showing on EB yet. Thanks á The Eve Personality Test

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.02.24 21:26:00 - [822] Originally by: Amateratsu Hey Chribba Have the eve data exports been updated to include the Planetary Interaction Certificates yet? They are still not showing on EB yet. Thanks They should be, however the delay would be on my side as I haven't updated the DB in a while, but I aim to do that when I move to the new server as well. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.02.24 22:28:00 - [823] For those who want to test things, the new box is now running at http://test.eveboard.com/ It is currently running a full pilot update run (with increased threads) and caching has been disabled. Feel free to report any errors you find or slowness. Note that the DB is a few weeks old... /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Ben Bow Fiat Iustitia	Posted - 2011.02.25 10:46:00 - [824] Edited by: Ben Bow on 25/02/2011 10:46:38 Don't know if this was mentioned already: In the blueprint list there are two Titan blueprints missing. Is this list generally regarded to be complete, or should one look for more missing prints?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.02.25 18:01:00 - [825] Originally by: Ben Bow Edited by: Ben Bow on 25/02/2011 10:46:38 Don't know if this was mentioned already: In the blueprint list there are two Titan blueprints missing. Is this list generally regarded to be complete, or should one look for more missing prints? Well can't say I added them all by hand, so there might be some missing due to various database differencies(?). Will put it on the todo. Thanks. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.02.26 00:16:00 - [826] Originally by: Ben Bow Edited by: Ben Bow on 25/02/2011 10:46:38 Don't know if this was mentioned already: In the blueprint list there are two Titan blueprints missing. Is this list generally regarded to be complete, or should one look for more missing prints? I know they were there a year ago as one of my alts could build everything in game except those four prints.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2011.03.06 15:22:00 - [827] Chribba, do you have a list of the values used for calculating the total skill value?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.03.06 15:29:00 - [828] Originally by: Estel Arador Chribba, do you have a list of the values used for calculating the total skill value? Base values from the db dumps... Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Estel Arador	Posted - 2011.03.06 16:34:00 - [829] Edited by: Estel Arador on 06/03/2011 16:34:48 Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Estel Arador Chribba, do you have a list of the values used for calculating the total skill value? Base values from the db dumps... That would mean the value is underreported? (Some of the rare skills which drop have base values of 0 or 1M isk.) I asked because I was wondering how I ever spent 8 bill on skills. I do have a lot of skills, but to get to 8 bill the average skill would cost 23M isk or so. That seems high to me (I have no cap ship skills). Now this might be just me forgetting about the isk I poured into getting skills, that's why I wanted to see the list of values.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.03.06 16:46:00 - [830] Should indeed be underreported yes, but I will look into the matter and see if there is a calc error somewhere - or a base value error perhaps... /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2011.03.06 18:24:00 - [831] Originally by: Estel Arador Edited by: Estel Arador on 06/03/2011 16:34:48 Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Estel Arador Chribba, do you have a list of the values used for calculating the total skill value? Base values from the db dumps... That would mean the value is underreported? (Some of the rare skills which drop have base values of 0 or 1M isk.) I asked because I was wondering how I ever spent 8 bill on skills. I do have a lot of skills, but to get to 8 bill the average skill would cost 23M isk or so. That seems high to me (I have no cap ship skills). Now this might be just me forgetting about the isk I poured into getting skills, that's why I wanted to see the list of values. There is definately an error, glitch in there somewhere, its been that way for over a year now. Not including the rare unpublished skills, my total was around the 9 billion mark, currently eb is showing me at 15 billion, players with all skills ingame were on 28 bil, currently they are all showing 34 billion. so its over reporting by approx 6 billion
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2011.03.07 22:59:00 - [832] Just to let you know Chribba, the Progression Graphs are broken for all characters I've looked at. Bouncing up and down between 0 and actual value on a daily basis. á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.03.07 23:13:00 - [833] Yeah, I know it's a timeout problem that is sorted with the new server, so hopefully by the end of the week it should be back to normal and up and running on the new box. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.03.09 18:07:00 - [834] LT board will go offline tomorrow for the scheduled hardware upgrade. Will probably take a few hours to complete both the hardware and DB changes needed - and testing. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Eliesmerra Burning The Endless Horizon	Posted - 2011.03.10 06:20:00 - [835] Hello Chribba, Just wondering if by chance during tomorrows downtime that the cache's for portraits / avatars will be reset as well? Thanks again for the great services your websites offer us, Best regards.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.03.10 09:38:00 - [836] It has begun. @Eliesmerra, I will reset faceless later today (hopefully) as for the regular ones, I haven't decided yet - I might wait for CCP's grace period to be over before I reset it completly. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.03.10 11:19:00 - [837] Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 10/03/2011 11:19:27 Originally by: Chribba It has begun. @Eliesmerra, I will reset faceless later today (hopefully) as for the regular ones, I haven't decided yet - I might wait for CCP's grace period to be over before I reset it completly. /c I still think you should point straight to the CCP image servers. Because you know as soon as you do an avatar reset CCP will release the next customization such as tattoos. Also you wont have to compress the portraits as it will be CCP's bandwidth used in the first place. Good luck with the server migration.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.03.10 14:32:00 - [838] [eb] is now back up. Please report any problems you bump into. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.03.10 14:51:00 - [839] Originally by: Chribba [eb] is now back up. Please report any problems you bump into. /c Wow! It's a lot faster! :) Only think I could find is the Progression Graphs that are still broken. Good job!!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.03.10 15:05:00 - [840] Edited by: Chribba on 10/03/2011 15:06:25 The progression data is unfortunately - corrupt on that part, as the other scripts failed they never collected the needed data. This however will be fixed manually soon and will be set with the average value of the "lost" days (if that makes sense). However since it only show some time back the graphs will be pretty in a month again lol. Sorry for the trouble. edit/I also noticed that some static DB info was wiped in the transfer, so a fresh info dump will be applied soon, should fix missing certs etc. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.03.10 17:32:00 - [841] Now that was quite an upgrade, [eb] is fast now.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.03.10 23:15:00 - [842] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Now that was quite an upgrade, [eb] is fast now. I'm glad that was the goal and it goes to show it was well spent money, which should hopefully keep it running just as smooth even as the site grows. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.03.10 23:27:00 - [843] Getting this error on the ranks page. Only the skillpoints rank shows correctly. Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005' [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Transaction (Process ID 53) was deadlocked on lock resources with another process and has been chosen as the deadlock victim. Rerun the transaction. /ranks.asp, line 850 But it was fast. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.03.11 09:58:00 - [844] Chribba I'm not sure how the latest development on SiSi will affect your portrait caching plans but going forward we will be able to tweak our portraits as often as we want.
Thynar Gallente Melita Foundation	Posted - 2011.03.11 11:33:00 - [845] Just a quick heads up - my Highest Skill Value is still reporting a value of 6+ billion ISK when in reality the value is closer to 600 million ISK. Thanks for EB
Estel Arador	Posted - 2011.03.11 11:57:00 - [846] Originally by: Mashie Saldana going forward we will be able to tweak our portraits as often as we want. Isn't that just for testing purposes on SiSi? Will it be an actual feature on Tranq?
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.03.11 12:35:00 - [847] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Mashie Saldana going forward we will be able to tweak our portraits as often as we want. Isn't that just for testing purposes on SiSi? Will it be an actual feature on Tranq? That is a confirmed feature.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2011.03.11 13:09:00 - [848] ooh shiny!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.03.11 15:32:00 - [849] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Chribba I'm not sure how the latest development on SiSi will affect your portrait caching plans but going forward we will be able to tweak our portraits as often as we want. Judging by that feature - I will be leaning towards the CCP-redirection. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Viggen	Posted - 2011.03.11 15:37:00 - [850] Edited by: Viggen on 11/03/2011 15:38:33 Chribba, have you given any more thought on the idea suggested on page 22 of this thread started by Resolute Stormbringer. Treat the "Number of skills" ranks the same as "Number of certificates" ranks. It only makes sense that if you have a lvl 5 skill then you should also have that skill count in the lvl 4 & 3 ranks, likewise a skill trained to lvl 4 should also count in the lvl 3 ranks. Edit: Oh yeah, congrats on the speedy upgrade... shiney Eveboard Viggen
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2011.03.18 15:29:00 - [851] Originally by: Viggen Treat the "Number of skills" ranks the same as "Number of certificates" ranks. +1 Also a rank for: - % of ships you can fly - % of items you can use - % of blueprints you can use ? .
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2011.03.26 17:15:00 - [852] Ok who broke EveBoard? come on own up Looks like a database crash, all characters i've looked at are showing 0 skills trained for 0 points with almost all catagory's showing no data á
CaptainSyler Minmatar DPB Corporation	Posted - 2011.03.26 19:50:00 - [853] Originally by: Amateratsu Ok who broke EveBoard? come on own up Looks like a database crash, all characters i've looked at are showing 0 skills trained for 0 points with almost all catagory's showing no data yep the same problem here I just cannot see anything
TXMMI	Posted - 2011.03.27 09:10:00 - [854] Any update on the eveboard status?
Contralto Rift Tech	Posted - 2011.03.27 15:13:00 - [855] Currently "Down for Debugging" I guess Chribba is in the case!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.03.27 15:17:00 - [856] It has been fixed. As with many other things, I didn't plan for 32-bit ID's to become a problem, until it hit the INT max and decided to NOT throw any errors rather than just displaying zero data. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Chakarr Minmatar Anarchistic Carebears Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:53:00 - [857] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Mashie Saldana Chribba I'm not sure how the latest development on SiSi will affect your portrait caching plans but going forward we will be able to tweak our portraits as often as we want. Judging by that feature - I will be leaning towards the CCP-redirection. /c Now that we have the ability to change portraits whenever we like - will you be the implementing this CCP-redirection?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.04.07 06:54:00 - [858] Yes, redirection will be implemented in the near future. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Chakarr Minmatar Anarchistic Carebears Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:12:00 - [859] Originally by: Chribba Yes, redirection will be implemented in the near future. /c Sweet, thanks again for all your good work Mr C
Juwi Kotch KOTCH Construction and Anchoring	Posted - 2011.04.11 19:46:00 - [860] Chribba, something is awfully wrong with my ranking under "highest skill value". Pilots with a fifth my skillpoints and less then half my number of skills rank thousands of positions better then me. Could you please take a look? Thank you,
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2011.04.12 00:46:00 - [861] Originally by: Juwi Kotch Chribba, something is awfully wrong with my ranking under "highest skill value". Pilots with a fifth my skillpoints and less then half my number of skills rank thousands of positions better then me. Could you please take a look? Thank you, buy some expensive skills like the capital ships ones and you'll be all fixed up. .
Juwi Kotch KOTCH Construction and Anchoring	Posted - 2011.04.12 06:20:00 - [862] Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 12/04/2011 06:20:24 That's not the problem. I have bought many more skills by number as well as by price then pilots which are rated in this category thousands of places ahead of me. This pilot for instance has less then 20 mil SP (compared to my nearly 100 mil), 112 skills (compared to my 323), and no capital skills or otherwise really expensive skills at all, but is calculated with a high skill rate more then double than mine and placed over 3000 positions ahead.
Lilith Aurilien	Posted - 2011.04.12 07:27:00 - [863] Hi, Can you update my portrait please? Thanks.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.04.12 07:56:00 - [864] Avatars will be redirected to CCP's servers shortly, so until then I will not do manual refreshs, sorry for the delay. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Vessper Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.12 13:14:00 - [865] The Planetary Interaction certificate group seems to be missing on all characters. EveHQ Character App
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2011.04.12 14:56:00 - [866] Originally by: Juwi Kotch Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 12/04/2011 06:48:12 That's not the problem. I have bought many more skills by number as well as by price then pilots which are rated in this category thousands of places ahead of me. This (randomly picked) pilot for instance has less then 20 mil SP (compared to my nearly 100 mil), 112 skills (compared to my 323), and no capital skills or otherwise really expensive skills at all, but is calculated with a high skill rate more then double than mine and consequently placed over 3000 positions ahead. There is an error in the db dump with regards to the price / value of 1 or more skillbooks which is resulting in the total skill value being over calculated by aproximately 6 billion isk. So those who have the effected skillbooks will be boosted much higher than those who don't. This is a known issue that has been mentioned before along with the missing Planetary Interaction cetificates. Hopefully both these issues will get fixed when Chribba has time to update to the latest db dump á
Juwi Kotch KOTCH Construction and Anchoring	Posted - 2011.04.12 18:11:00 - [867] Thanks Ama. I compared my skills with some of the strangefully placed so far ahead pilots and found the probably most significant culprit: The ORE Ships skill. I jumped forward around 11.000 places in this particular ranking and am now again a top 100 EB-Pilot. I would suggest, that as a workaround Chribba at least removes this "highest skill value" ranking from the calculation until he can induce a final fix for that problem.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.04.12 23:45:00 - [868] Originally by: Chribba Avatars will be redirected to CCP's servers shortly, so until then I will not do manual refreshs, sorry for the delay. And redirected they are, awesome.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2011.04.18 14:51:00 - [869] One (well one type) of interesting chart that might be a good addition to statistics. If you click a skill group you could show the amounts of skill points each "rank" has. Basically plot from lowest skill point to highest skill point. It could be interesting because you might spot plateaus in the skill categories and thus see whats "normal" level of skill points for each group and where advanced number of skill points starts kicking in. Or if it's just a slow progression from 0 to max :) .
Holy One	Posted - 2011.04.26 21:01:00 - [870] crib does eb not work with trial accounts? I just get a 500 server error when trying to access my new alt. BBQ makes me hungry for more...

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.04.30 14:10:00 - [871] Originally by: Holy One crib does eb not work with trial accounts? I just get a 500 server error when trying to access my new alt. Sorry for delay in response, if it's under 72 hours (iirc) it cannot be added - CCP limitations. Else let me know and I'll see if there's some issue on my side. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Viggen	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:10:00 - [872] Originally by: Viggen Chribba, have you given any more thought on the idea suggested on page 22 of this thread started by Resolute Stormbringer? Treat the "Number of skills" ranks the same as "Number of certificates" ranks. It only makes sense that if you have a lvl 5 skill then you should also have that skill count in the lvl 4 & 3 ranks, likewise a skill trained to lvl 4 should also count in the lvl 3 ranks. Chribba, just bumping the question incase you missed it Eveboard Viggen
Hirtari	Posted - 2011.05.14 11:17:00 - [873] Hi! I accidentally changed my api and obviously now eveboard does not update nore let me in. What to do now? Thanks in advance!
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.05.14 13:43:00 - [874] Originally by: Hirtari Hi! I accidentally changed my api and obviously now eveboard does not update nore let me in. What to do now? Thanks in advance! Enter your information again. Enter your User I.D. Enter the new APi key. Select the correct character. .... Profit. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.05.14 14:01:00 - [875] Originally by: Viggen Originally by: Viggen Chribba, have you given any more thought on the idea suggested on page 22 of this thread started by Resolute Stormbringer? Treat the "Number of skills" ranks the same as "Number of certificates" ranks. It only makes sense that if you have a lvl 5 skill then you should also have that skill count in the lvl 4 & 3 ranks, likewise a skill trained to lvl 4 should also count in the lvl 3 ranks. Chribba, just bumping the question incase you missed it Not missed, and it's being thought of, have had a very limited time to do things I want though, hence the slow progress. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Hirtari	Posted - 2011.05.14 16:43:00 - [876] I¦ve tried to log in with my new api but I cannot... It gives me this: UserID or apiKey contains invalid characters. Is there a way for me to confirm that do I remember my user-id wrong?
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers Independent Manufacturers Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.17 22:23:00 - [877] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Viggen Originally by: Viggen Chribba, have you given any more thought on the idea suggested on page 22 of this thread started by Resolute Stormbringer? Treat the "Number of skills" ranks the same as "Number of certificates" ranks. It only makes sense that if you have a lvl 5 skill then you should also have that skill count in the lvl 4 & 3 ranks, likewise a skill trained to lvl 4 should also count in the lvl 3 ranks. Chribba, just bumping the question incase you missed it Not missed, and it's being thought of, have had a very limited time to do things I want though, hence the slow progress. /c I was just about to ask the same question, since I just dropped from 6th place overall to 63rd because I started training 3 skills from scratch and as soon as the first one got to lvl 3 my ranking dropped like a stone because prior to that I only had lvl 4 and 5 skills. Drahcir
B0X Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.05.17 23:19:00 - [878] Edited by: B0X on 17/05/2011 23:23:14 As well as the changes highlighted above, I've noticed the placing system on the boards is very arbitrary. I love eveboard, but I've always wondered why you score and place as you do. For example, the Skillpoints group is easy, as there is a definite difference between them all. But Number of skills group only has one guy that could claim number 1 spot, the next 9 are all in second place, but it sets them as 2, 3, 4, etc. It should really look as follows: + Number of skills 1. Kyreax . . . . . . . . .388 2. Viggen . . . . . . . . .387 2. Ravenal. . . . . . . . 387 2. Lord Darkness. . . . 387 2. Anonymous. . . . . . 387 2. Tripoli. . . . . . . . . 387 2. Celestoid. . . . . . . .387 2. Neurotic Cat . . . . . 387 2. Claire Voyant. . . . .387 2. Arthalion Thoidon. . 387 11. Calumbacha. . . . . 385 12. Towaoc. . . . . . . . 384 12. Michi Noketsuna . . 384 14. Femintaki . . . . . . 383 14. RaTTuS. . . . . . . . 383 At least that way, it would be fair to all and show a true reflection of overall position on the board.
RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.05.18 09:16:00 - [879] Originally by: B0X 1. Kyreax . . . . . . . . .388 2. Viggen . . . . . . . . .387 2. Ravenal. . . . . . . . 387 2. Lord Darkness. . . . 387 2. Anonymous. . . . . . 387 2. Tripoli. . . . . . . . . 387 2. Celestoid. . . . . . . .387 2. Neurotic Cat . . . . . 387 2. Claire Voyant. . . . .387 2. Arthalion Thoidon. . 387 11. Calumbacha. . . . . 385 12. Towaoc. . . . . . . . 384 12. Michi Noketsuna . . 384 14. Femintaki . . . . . . 383 14. RaTTuS. . . . . . . . 383[/list] At least that way, it would be fair to all and show a true reflection of overall position on the board. I've mentioned that in the past, though this is eve - and fair it is not ;-p however when they have the same postion they are listed in overall rank Join BIG
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2011.05.18 09:34:00 - [880] Originally by: B0X Edited by: B0X on 17/05/2011 23:23:14 As well as the changes highlighted above, I've noticed the placing system on the boards is very arbitrary. I love eveboard, but I've always wondered why you score and place as you do. For example, the Skillpoints group is easy, as there is a definite difference between them all. But Number of skills group only has one guy that could claim number 1 spot, the next 9 are all in second place, but it sets them as 2, 3, 4, etc. It should really look as follows: + Number of skills 1. Kyreax . . . . . . . . .388 2. Viggen . . . . . . . . .387 2. Ravenal. . . . . . . . 387 2. Lord Darkness. . . . 387 2. Anonymous. . . . . . 387 2. Tripoli. . . . . . . . . 387 2. Celestoid. . . . . . . .387 2. Neurotic Cat . . . . . 387 2. Claire Voyant. . . . .387 2. Arthalion Thoidon. . 387 11. Calumbacha. . . . . 385 12. Towaoc. . . . . . . . 384 12. Michi Noketsuna . . 384 14. Femintaki . . . . . . 383 14. RaTTuS. . . . . . . . 383 At least that way, it would be fair to all and show a true reflection of overall position on the board. This has been suggested before, the problem is that in some catagorys, there are 100's even 1000's of players all with the same score having trained all skills to level 5 in that catagory. Giving all those players the same rank would not make sense in what is essentially a leaderboard, as there would be no way for them to improve on that rank and improve their position over other players with the same rank. All those players have to be listed in some kind of order, so how do you decide what order to list them in? At the moment they are ordered according to their global score, which means they cam always move up the ordering ladder by improving their global score. á
B0X Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.05.18 16:21:00 - [881] Originally by: RaTTuS I've mentioned that in the past, though this is eve - and fair it is not ;-p however when they have the same postion they are listed in overall rank I guess I should have read the thread. Sorry if it has been mention before. Yea this is Eve, but we are talking about a third party tool concerned with rank. It should at least reflect actual stats and not arbitrary ones. Originally by: Amateratsu This has been suggested before, the problem is that in some catagorys, there are 100's even 1000's of players all with the same score having trained all skills to level 5 in that catagory. Giving all those players the same rank would not make sense in what is essentially a leaderboard, as there would be no way for them to improve on that rank and improve their position over other players with the same rank. All those players have to be listed in some kind of order, so how do you decide what order to list them in? At the moment they are ordered according to their global score, which means they cam always move up the ordering ladder by improving their global score. Of course it would make sense, the ranking is not taken from a few categories it's taken from many. Winners would still be found and lost, but why would that be any different than now? I've not seen any change at the top for weeks, maybe it's been longer, I don't know. I've already shown exactly how it would be fair to list them. But discarding someone as having equal position in a category because they don't have other stuff makes no sense. Are you saying it's a global rank, that discounts your actual stat in certain categories? Sounds like it's a pointless rank then, if that is indeed how it works.
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2011.05.18 18:17:00 - [882] Where multiple players have the same score in any given catagory, they are sorted by their global score. The global score is the average of their scores in each of the ranking catagorys and shows how well trained the are in all of the ranking catagorys. Giving them all the same rank would only be a cosmetic change, they would still be listed in the same order as they are now. You phisicly cannot place them all in the same position, they have to be ordered by 1 means or another. Using global score to decide their position in the list is the best option as it can always be imporved upon and thus allows you to raise your position in any given rank. Giving them all the same rank and then listing them according to that rank would result in everyone with the same rank being listed in a fixed position that cannot be changed or overtaken. á

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.05.19 08:20:00 - [883] Yeah like said, they are listed first via the category "rank" if pilots are the same rank, they then get sorted by their "global rank" in order to actually make a listing. I'm all open for suggestions on how to handle the ranks and all, but it's not an straight forward thing. Same goes for calculating the global rank etc. I'd love to find a way that makes the overall ranks move more based on what a pilot actually do with their skills/isk/standings etc, eg to have them work for their #1 spot (in some categories) compared to passive high-ranking just because you have fortunate stats. But I'm not sure what that would look like. It would be nice to see people do things to improve the rank, but tbh I don't want to set "rules" that for example you get bonus if you train Charisma today and Mechanic tomorrow. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Gina McAllister Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.05.19 17:03:00 - [884] Forgive me if this has been addressed in one of the 30 pages here, but I didn't see it so..I beg your indulgence: I just added my character to eb and other than bringing up my profile picture, there's no more data being shown. Just that the "Automatic API Update disabled - I ate your cookies!" error that pops up. Cookies are enabled (unless I missed the grand joke) but no stats. Any thoughts? Thanks for the great tool. It does look great!
Juwi Kotch KOTCH Construction and Anchoring	Posted - 2011.05.29 12:53:00 - [885] Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 29/05/2011 12:56:51 Originally by: Chribba Yeah like said, they are listed first via the category "rank" if pilots are the same rank, they then get sorted by their "global rank" in order to actually make a listing. I'm all open for suggestions on how to handle the ranks and all, but it's not an straight forward thing. Same goes for calculating the global rank etc. I'd love to find a way that makes the overall ranks move more based on what a pilot actually do with their skills/isk/standings etc, eg to have them work for their #1 spot (in some categories) compared to passive high-ranking just because you have fortunate stats. But I'm not sure what that would look like. It would be nice to see people do things to improve the rank, but tbh I don't want to set "rules" that for example you get bonus if you train Charisma today and Mechanic tomorrow. Let me write down my ideas for your consideration then. I understood, that at present the ranking is quite simply calculated by adding all (marked) individual category ranks and then just divided by the number of the registered pilots. With this, there are a lot of redundancies and some things are caculated multiply. For instance the ranking in the total number of ranks is, now the bug is fixed, especially for the top ranked players quite the same as the sum up of the highest skill value. So I would suggest to promote a bit diversity in ranking by grouping them, where in groups with more then one category a group ranking would be calculated. Group 1 -> Total skillpoints Group 2 -> Number of skills Number of lvl5 skills Number of lvl4 skills Number of lvl3 skills Number of lvl2 skills Number of lvl1 skills For this I would implement the same counting as done with the certificates and include lvl 1 and 2 (but not the not trained ones) into the ranking Group 3 -> Average SP per skill Group 4 -> Most SP in 16 categories Group 5 -> Number of certificates Number of Elite certificates Number of Improved certificates Number of Standard certificates Number of Basic certificates Group 6 -> Most ISK I would exklude the ranking of the highest skill value, since it is particularly redundant to the already calculated number of skills. Then I would add: Group 7 -> Number of Ships Group 8 -> Number of Blueprints to be manufactured Number of Blueprints to be researched Number of Blueprints to be copied Number of Blueprints to be invented Then I would include the Group 9 -> Date of Birth into the quotation, and in two ways. First, I would use it for the ranking of pilots with same values within a category, that the younger pilot will be ranked higher on a given value then an older pilot with the same value. Second, I would include the age of the pilot as a major factor in the overall ranking, by adding the 8 group rankings and divide the resulting value by the ranking according to the age of the pilot, so that younger pilots would have a much higher divisor then older pilots. Only after this step I would divide the result by the number of pilots registered and thus create the final overall ranking. I hope this elaboration was understandable. As a result, the overall ranking would be much more volatile and would place younger pilots in a fairer way then it is doing right now, where they have virtually no chance to catch up to older pilots. However, I probably would have to change my signature ...
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2011.05.30 19:15:00 - [886] Originally by: Chribba I'm all open for suggestions on how to handle the ranks and all, but it's not an straight forward thing. Same goes for calculating the global rank etc. I'd love to find a way that makes the overall ranks move more based on what a pilot actually do with their skills/isk/standings etc, eg to have them work for their #1 spot (in some categories) compared to passive high-ranking just because you have fortunate stats. One thing always bothered me, while the current comparison system is great and all ... I always assumed it should use the player ranks. Compare ranks that is. Currently you can have two players where player A is ranked higher than player B but player B gets more points in player comparison. Experiment with more global ranking options, like: - Top Gun, ... (based on skill primary/secondary attributes). - Top Jack (based on % of skillpoints over total nr of skillpoints for the group over total skill points ... or something. Meaning if you've got a perfect 1/skillgroups% points in each skill group you are top Jack) - ... .
Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2011.06.15 00:37:00 - [887] I'd like to circle back to a thought from a couple of years ago. Before recirculating the idea, a couple of comments for consideration. As the game continues to grow, we "old" characters increasingly dominate the skill categories that we've chosen to pursue. Younger characters have little or no chance of competing in the rankings, fueling their frustrations over "how will I ever compete with the older players?" while we proudly display our achievements which, as much as for being focused and dedicated, are the random good luck of having stumbled upon this great game in it's infancy. Younger characters are deserving of more recognition for the accomplishments they've made early in their careers. So, here's the thought: Since date of birth is now available in the API, what do you guys think about new categories for the overall rank of 1st year, 2nd year and 3rd year players? Name each category something like: Top Rookies (age 365 days or less) Rising Stars (age 730 days or less) New Age Elite (age 1095 days or less) ... or whatever. You guys will come up with better ideas for category descriptions, I'm sure. Please share your comments/thoughts. Dr Caymus -=ATI=-
InchDeep	Posted - 2011.06.15 14:18:00 - [888] Automatic API Update disabled - Connectivity troubles
BearJews	Posted - 2011.06.15 16:01:00 - [889] I can't view my character at all. It is giving me the same error as the guy above. help please?
Torain	Posted - 2011.06.16 02:40:00 - [890] Originally by: Dr Caymus Younger characters are deserving of more recognition for the accomplishments they've made early in their careers. So, here's the thought: Since date of birth is now available in the API, what do you guys think about new categories for the overall rank of 1st year, 2nd year and 3rd year players? How about this. Have an option for every list to exclude all players created before a certain date. That way someone can enter their own character's creation date and get a feel on where they stand with other players that were created at or after they were. Would it be possible for that date to be custom set by the user instead of fixed dates?
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.16 20:12:00 - [891] Originally by: Dr Caymus Please share your comments/thoughts. I'm sure I have posted it before in this thread but a full ranking system per bloodline would be interesting.
Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune	Posted - 2011.06.16 21:02:00 - [892] Edited by: Dr Caymus on 16/06/2011 21:07:03 Originally by: Torain How about this. Have an option for every list to exclude all players created before a certain date. That way someone can enter their own character's creation date and get a feel on where they stand with other players that were created at or after they were. Would it be possible for that date to be custom set by the user instead of fixed dates? Originally by: Mashie Saldana I'm sure I have posted it before in this thread but a full ranking system per bloodline would be interesting. I'm thinking permanently displayed overall rankings for the younger character groups, but these are both very good ideas that expand upon the "peer group ranking" concept. Some sort of sort/filtering function that would let you run detailed rankings for age groups, race/bloodlines, etc. would be cool. It's been decades since I programmed... Fortran guy with a stack of punch cards here... so have no clue on what the resource requirements of such functionality would be though. Dr Caymus -=ATI=-
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2011.06.17 04:44:00 - [893] Edited by: Ravenal on 17/06/2011 04:45:00 Originally by: Dr Caymus It's been decades since I programmed... Fortran guy with a stack of punch cards here... so have no clue on what the resource requirements of such functionality would be though. Well, if you throw in a tiny bit of extra data to each rank you can actually do it client side with some javascript filtering. Like, client enters "custom" ranking mode and asks for a combination of: - DoB - Bloodline - Gender - ... restrict based on current query architecture. Now "all" you need to do is apply the filter function on the browser by checking some boxes for the available options of each category or set a date. Like, "check Ni-Kunni, male, DoB last 2 years. So "normal" mode would just stay the same, the custom mode is just some DOM manipulation. Edit: tradeoff for extra query filtering time on server is bandwidth for the extra values... so, whatever suit fits. .
Jacob Stiller	Posted - 2011.06.19 03:20:00 - [894] Edited by: Jacob Stiller on 19/06/2011 03:20:19 This forum doesn't seem to support PM's so I'll have to make a post. I am trying to register for Eveboard for the first time but keep getting the error message "UserID or apiKey contains invalid characters." I am copying and pasting my limited API key. My limited api key and my proposed username are both alphanumeric strings so I do not understand what the problem is.
Colonel Telford	Posted - 2011.06.19 07:54:00 - [895] Originally by: Jacob Stiller Edited by: Jacob Stiller on 19/06/2011 03:20:19 This forum doesn't seem to support PM's so I'll have to make a post. I am trying to register for Eveboard for the first time but keep getting the error message "UserID or apiKey contains invalid characters." I am copying and pasting my limited API key. My limited api key and my proposed username are both alphanumeric strings so I do not understand what the problem is. When you goto the api page your user id will be the 6 - 8 digit number displayed above your api key. not the username you use to log into eve online...
Jacob Stiller	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:03:00 - [896] Edited by: Jacob Stiller on 21/06/2011 17:04:00 Originally by: Colonel Telford When you goto the api page your user id will be the 6 - 8 digit number displayed above your api key. not the username you use to log into eve online... Thanks.
ZackWildMiner	Posted - 2011.07.13 18:09:00 - [897] Is there a reason that implants for slots 6-10 CAN'T be displayed? Nice to see the implants for slots 1-5 but sometimes the slot 6-10 implants are the more important ones.....
Juwi Kotch KOTCH Construction and Anchoring	Posted - 2011.08.22 08:35:00 - [898] I'm just wondering: Has Chribba abandoned this project? No posting here from him in more the 3 months, no response to the suggestions of the eveboard users in this thread ...

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.08.22 09:49:00 - [899] Nope I haven't abandoned it, I just am very busy that I quite don't get the time I wish to spend on either of all my projects. But I am trying to make time. /c Secure 3rd party service \| in-game 'Holy Veldspar' Now /w voice

Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2011.08.24 21:08:00 - [900] Originally by: ZackWildMiner Nice to see the implants for slots 1-5 but sometimes the slot 6-10 implants are the more important ones..... Not for skills ... .

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