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Johann Callasan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.30 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: Johann Callasan on 30/09/2009 01:06:15 Am exploring the possibility of using a Tengu for lvl 4s instead of my CNR - mostly to try to remove the boredom factor. While I can get a good tank out of it(400 DPS omni, close to 1000 if I fit for Guristas (yes, I know - overkill), I can't seem to get better than 390 DPS kinetic out of it, even with 4 CN BCUs. Otherwise it's all t2 fitted - so what can I be doing wrong?
The best fit I've come up with so far:
Subsystems: Defensive - Amplification Node Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Leaving me with a 6 - 6 - 4 slot layout.
So then...
HIGHS:
6x HML II, Scourge Heavy Missile
MIDS:
1x Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster 1x Shield Boost Amplifier II 2x Invulnerability Field II 1x Photon Scattering Field II (for the omni-tank, will be using mission-specific) 1x Y-5B Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
LOWS:
4x CN Ballistic Control Unit
I show 380 DPS from that combo, with all relevant t3 skills at level IV, Heavy Missiles at lvl 5, HM Specialty skill at L3. Missile ROF shows at 4.9 sec.
I've seen reports of people getting 700 DPS out of a Tenho - how is that possible?
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Shining Tears
Caldari Blind Violence Huzzah Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.30 01:06:00 -
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try heavy assaults shorter range but better damage
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Johann Callasan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.30 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shining Tears try heavy assaults shorter range but better damage
I can try that, yes, though it'll take a bit to get to HAM Spec. Id on't have a Rigor rig on this fit yet (right now it's 3x CCC, cap stable) - can HAMs work well against standard cruisers/frigates? Have to be able to kill both with missiles, as Tengus don't get a dronebay with the current subsystems.
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Kirzath
Blackwater Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.30 01:24:00 -
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Train the Offensive subsystem skill to Lvl V, that will give you a huge boost to DPS.
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Kail Storm
Caldari The Unforgiving.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: Kail Storm on 30/09/2009 01:53:31 Hams are devastating but if this is an eft fit make sure and adjust the subsystems skills, I did same thing and merin woke me up.
EFT has 0 on sub skills and thats where major dmg coes from since you get such massive Kin bonuses I get about 400 dps without any adv level 5 skills on my toon so I think yours will be better.
Also remember that Tengu will not get Raven or CNR dmg on paper but while CNR will do 60% dmg to Cruisers and way less to frigs it almost evens out in some cases as the full 450 dps youll get will be put on target. Also remember that most lvl 4 guys mission in drakes with real DPS of 200-250 everyone pumps dps but most ships are not doing an average of over 500 in missions between all shots fired so if you can get 400+ avergae dps at 80 km its pretty awesome...Hell just put FOF`s in and Pop a dvd in and 10 mins later loot and salvage :)
I urge you to check if your t3 sub skills were not changed, also what I did IMO is better I used ECM obs sub system and it added 1 mid for 1 lo and since you will only be missioning in it the 4th BCS isnt as important as the extra mid for the Target painter you should use so you can use furys on all targets.
But Hams in the tengu are savage they have way better range, and with 3 bcs are insane since the Bonus`s really stack up, between ur 3 navy bcs`s and skills and sub skills with hams its impressive but use a t2 AB for the extra 50 m/s so you can close faster.
But the true bonus of the tengu is the dual you and your alt missioning together, I trained up a Amarr BS 4 pilot and it was ver yfast he does 500ish dps but at great range and I get my tengu in there with aggro and have the rats swarm me and my BS at optimal not moving but raining death down...It really is a site, it happens very fast, and when mission is almost done I have my alt get in his salvager and loot while my main is coming back for another mish, it happens very fast and is best use of Teng usince it still is basically a bc.
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Sinistro
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Posted - 2009.09.30 04:49:00 -
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With same subsystem layout but with offensive lvl5 and zmm1000 5% rof implant and 3 ballistics I get a rof of 3.65 with a t1 scourge 344.5 damage results in 566 dps or with cn scourges then I get round the 650 dps.
When I swap the cn launchers for t2's and use fury then the damage will be a bit higher and be just over the 700 dps.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.09.30 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Johann Callasan [...]I show 380 DPS from that combo, with all relevant t3 skills at level IV, Heavy Missiles at lvl 5, HM Specialty skill at L3. Missile ROF shows at 4.9 sec. I've seen reports of people getting 700 DPS out of a Tenho - how is that possible?
All relevant skills at L5 not 4 or 3, use high-damage T2 ammo instead of T1 ammo, use the appropriate ammo type (scourge instead of thunderbolt), plug in 5% damage and RoF implants... ...it all adds up.
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Sinistro
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:04:00 -
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I would like to find a nice setup with hams as it should be posible to get over the 900 dps with rage terrors
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:46:00 -
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High damage and perma tank, not cheap though:
[Tengu, Test Build - Faction] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Amarr Navy Capacitor Power Relay Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
You can make a Tengu with just T2 gear which will need a slightly different sub system set but it will still do 450 DPS and 600 perma tank with level 4 skills.
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Sinistro
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Posted - 2009.09.30 09:39:00 -
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eft fit:
Subsystems: Defensive - Amplification Node Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
high: 6 x t2 heavy assault missile launcher
med: t2 med shield booster ( put faction to improve repping ) 2 x t2 shield boost amp 10 republic fleet afterburner caldari navy photon scattering field t2 invul
low: 3 x caldari navy ballistic control system t2 power diagnostic
rigs: 2 x t2 ccc 1 x t1 ccc
hardwires zme 2000 and zmm 1000
With terror rage does this 926 dps and runs 660m/s and boosts 241hp each cycle perma running all with 60% cap stable. If you got cash for a med pith a-type then it will boost 610hp each cycle
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: Marko Riva on 30/09/2009 10:20:34 semi pimped HML Tengu, tank needs the faction stuff to work properly, can add more bling where you fancy but it's not needed. Does 559 dps with non-faction ammo at 126km (all maxed obviously). To get more out of it add some missile implants, your tank doesn't need any more really.
[Tengu, missions HML] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
10MN Afterburner II Pithum B-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
[Tengu, missions HAM] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
10MN Afterburner II Pithum B-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Target Painter II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
698 dps at 30km with T1 ammo, needs a squire PG2 implant to fit.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:49:00 -
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Decent pve fits for hml and ham tengu were already posted on thins forum many times... try search.
And my advice for hml tengu - use fury scourges and rigor rigs and lol at ppl who fit cccs to hml tengu.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:39:00 -
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With max skills and imps you can get a Tengu close to 900Dps with Heavys.
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