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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Signore Kaeota
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny You are so wise nubcakes pighumper.....The ENTIRE wreck....Including all the contents is the ownership of the salvager. It doesn't work half way with "Oh.....I still own what is inside of the ship" bs.
So... why aren't you asking for free loot rules, where it all belongs to the 'salvager', instead of the one who made the kill, if you're so determined that eve laws should reflect RL?
I am asking it to be put one way or the other.....I really don't care which way it goes. But they DO colorcode the wrecks to show ownership. There is no other reason for the color coding. Either it should be entirely owned by the person that shot it or there should be no ownership of anything in it.
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Too Dangerous
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Posted - 2009.09.30 09:07:00 -
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OP, in my country it is illegal to own a weapon. Does that mean CCP should remove all wepaons from this game? That way we can all fly around peacefully and no one can shoot anyone! Now that would be a cool game bro!
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
I am asking it to be put one way or the other.....I really don't care which way it goes. But they DO colorcode the wrecks to show ownership. There is no other reason for the color coding. Either it should be entirely owned by the person that shot it or there should be no ownership of anything in it.
WHY ? As the previous posters have stated this is a game, so the rules can be whatever.
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BunnyBuzzBunny
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Posted - 2009.09.30 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Too Dangerous OP, in my country it is illegal to own a weapon. Does that mean CCP should remove all wepaons from this game? That way we can all fly around peacefully and no one can shoot anyone! Now that would be a cool game bro!
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
I am asking it to be put one way or the other.....I really don't care which way it goes. But they DO colorcode the wrecks to show ownership. There is no other reason for the color coding. Either it should be entirely owned by the person that shot it or there should be no ownership of anything in it.
WHY ? As the previous posters have stated this is a game, so the rules can be whatever.
Read the top of the post and start from there.....
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Too Dangerous
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Posted - 2009.09.30 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Too Dangerous on 30/09/2009 09:49:26 So what you're saying is you don't have a reply to my statements yeah.
You are just trying to propose how you think things should be in a game? Seems like majority of people are happy with how it is now. So OP please stop posting.
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Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
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Posted - 2009.09.30 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Either it should be entirely owned by the person that shot it or there should be no ownership of anything in it.
Where i live, if you for example own a forest, other people still have some access to it. They can salvage the lingon-berry's an the mushrooms etc and you cant do anything about it.
Its true, you cant even gun them down with shotguns if they don't get the hell out of your property within 3 seconds. Yep, i know, communist country.
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MIND SCR4MBLER
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Originally by: MIND SCR4MBLER Edited by: MIND SCR4MBLER on 30/09/2009 08:36:27 "blah blah blah sad look at legality".
Ok nubcakes, its like this. You dont go round "salvaging" cars.
heres a clue, when NASA decided they were going to go to space, they decided the most appropriate ppls was the navy aviators. as such "space" as always been regarding the preserve of the navy therefore the sea, "astro NAUT" as in NAUTICAL is the give away here. caldari navy, gallente navy, thats also a bit of a clue for you.
the fact that they are called "ships" and named after ship classes "frigate, destroyer, cruiser, battleship, battlecruiser etc" is more evidence of this sea-faring tradition of the space. You can also look at such references in star trek (they all carry naval ranks, captain, admirail etc) and there is a historical ships wheel in the state room of the enterprise. i digress.
Still with me? PAY ATTENTION NOW Y'HEAR!
CCP rule on salvage therefore follows the law on salvage at sea. if you find a wreck in the sea, ooh say the titanic or a spanish galleon full of treasure then under international maritime laws its yours to claim.
Now lets say said wreck is the bismarck. sunk by the british navy in 1943. carebear emowhiner would shout "no! you cannot salvage thee wreck, belongeth to me, the british navy!" when in reality salvaging is done by hardy folk on specialist salvage vessels with lots of expensive diving and recovery gear, principally on account of the fact the navyz of the world consider it their bizness to blow up teh ships and not recoverz the lootz which is left for seafaring salvage monkeys and treasure hunters. After all if the british navy was so bothered by salvage why did they leave so much gold at the bottom of the carribbean eh?
So before you come here spouting about "those darn CCP and there lack of legal morals", i suggest you avail yourself of free trip to library and look up the international maritime laws of salvage, on which all future laws of space will no doubt be based.
So what we have here is validation of your ignorance OP, and not CCP's.
official law on salvage therefore "finders keepers, losers emoragetearers, or quite simply first to the wreck wins"
You are so wise nubcakes pighumper.....The ENTIRE wreck....Including all the contents is the ownership of the salvager. It doesn't work half way with "Oh.....I still own what is inside of the ship" bs.
well looky here nubcakes pighumper hellokittyonline emorager,
its a known fact that its a dev hashup, they always intended salvage to be a free for all, the flagged of loot ownership was to do with PVP mechanics and not PVE, strictly speaking (as has been gone over 1 million times) the loot AND the wreck should belong to the NPC and not you or mr ninjasocks.
BUT
since CCP regard salvaging as a legitimate profession and are happy to encourage it (they think its space junk) and a lot of PVE's dont bother to salvage and its only the emotears from the greedybears who want everything their way immediatly now or else, then its fair that salvagers can go round salvaging wrecks without getting aggro flagged.
Put it this way, you dont own space. you dont own the "space" in which your mission takes place, if you do a mission then clear off back to dock up, and johnny ninja comes along and sees a wreck field then why should you be allowed to shoot him? they are floating in space, they dont belong to anyone and therefore anyone should be free to salvage them.
WRT to loot flagging, I actually think thats the broken mechanic and not the salvage but that wasnt the point of your OP, you are trying to suggest that CCP are clueless about laws of ownership, when in fact the salvage law is correct and the loot law is broken but is to do with PVP mechanics the devs cant be bothered fixing.
no get back in your trollscage achura monkeyboy.
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Picard Facepalm
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
I am asking it to be put one way or the other.....I really don't care which way it goes.
Somehow, I have trouble believing that you really don't care which way it goes, considering the amount of effort that you're putting into attempting to justify salvage flagging.
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Mathilde D'Arc
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mathilde D''Arc on 30/09/2009 11:43:05
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny I am asking it to be put one way or the other.....I really don't care which way it goes. But they DO colorcode the wrecks to show ownership. There is no other reason for the color coding. Either it should be entirely owned by the person that shot it or there should be no ownership of anything in it.
I see CCP have failed to listen to your rules regarding colour coding. Please let me know when your own game is released so I can play a game based on colour coded logic and real life laws. I canĘt wait.
EDIT: Actually no, I like your idea, because that way I own all the planets, asteroid belts, stations, stargates etc and should be able to aggress or charge anyone found using them.
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Riedle
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Posted - 2009.09.30 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Signore Kaeota
Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny So we should suply the entire underbelly of s****with money?
No, you shouldn't draw a RL comparison with one half of an issue, then ignore the second half, aka, YOU JUST BLEW SOMETHING UP - last I checked, that's a hellova lot less legal than stealing a CD player or an engine.
And if your referring to my second comment, then I assume that's why your posting? As it's pretty much exclusively mission b*tches who have issues with ninja salvaging.
And who cares if you think their scum? It's a game, they play it the way they like - which just happens to make you cry, and us laugh. Does that make them scum? No, it makes you pathetic.
^^^ THIS ^^^
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Kiva Aharan
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Posted - 2009.09.30 12:24:00 -
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Don't compare Eve salvage with a wrecked car. It is called salvaging for a reason. It is like a ship lost at sea. At that point it is finders keepers.
Don't talk legality without understanding the legalities involved.
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Sanguis Fluibant
Amarr The Guiding Greg Social and Best Friend Club
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Posted - 2009.09.30 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny grumble grumble
If you aren't from CCP....I don't care what you have to say.
grumble grumble
You are trying wonderfully hard for someone who doesn't care what other people say
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Yesh
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.09.30 12:40:00 -
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This ain't the USA OP ... this be new eden. adapt or die etc
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.30 12:42:00 -
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Can a Dev please move this thread to a more relevant part of the forum...
Is there a whiny crybaby place on the forum, where people can post the same hellokitty requests that have been posted so many times before. And hug each other!
OH, and to the OP - Learn what Salvage means. ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Ioptic
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Posted - 2009.09.30 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny
Originally by: Future Mutant YAAAAAAA! Another thread on ninja salvaging! we dont get enough of these!
Its a good thing we have whining on the forums as an option i mean its tons easier then actually COMPETING for your salvage.
For you, see the section above about dipping Mr. Winky.
For any other little boys out there that have something actually relevant to the conversation please say so. Please remember though that we have Crank Yankers on TV if we want to hear from Special ED.
complete misunderstanding. Let me make this clear- salvaging- Working as intended if someone is taking your salvage- its because you are too slow and/or incompetent
Every one of these threads about blah blah blah someone took my salvage- are a complete waste of forum space.
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Doddy
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Doddy on 30/09/2009 13:12:58 You wanna compare to the real world huh? Do you think the U.S navy owns all the wrecks of all the japanese ships it sank in WW2? Or does Germany own the wreck of the Lusitania? If they ever find the gold bullion that supposedly went down at the nile they gonna give it to nelsons estate? Blowing something up in RL does not make you its owner. Eve is not real life, but even if it was you would still be wrong.
If they were to change the status quo (which they shouldn't tbh) it would be to the salvagers benefit (they could take the loot too), but there is no reason to do this. The mods that are dropped are part of the mission reward (were there way before salvaging or wrecks were in the game), the wrecks are a by-product used in a mini profession. The fact that having made the wrecks you know best where they are is just a nice coincidental advantage for mission runners.
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:31:00 -
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Dude....
You said the following:
2. Don't twist my words on the subject. It only makes you look like you just can't comprehend. 3. I am asking for someone from CCP to validate. If you aren't from CCP....I don't care what you have to say.
Given how many times, and in how many ways CCP has publically and specifically validated the current rules about salvage, it sorta makes YOU look like you just can't comprehend.
I would recommend you simply do some searches on the eve forums and find all the "many" threads which already address this topic, and the places where CCP has already answered your question.
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WTFAMILOOKINGAT
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Peeping Dude....
You said the following:
2. Don't twist my words on the subject. It only makes you look like you just can't comprehend. 3. I am asking for someone from CCP to validate. If you aren't from CCP....I don't care what you have to say.
Given how many times, and in how many ways CCP has publically and specifically validated the current rules about salvage, it sorta makes YOU look like you just can't comprehend.
I would recommend you simply do some searches on the eve forums and find all the "many" threads which already address this topic, and the places where CCP has already answered your question.
This. There's currently a thread on the same topic on page one of GD complete with links. OP try to comprehend that.
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Paul Clavet
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: MIND SCR4MBLER the loot AND the wreck should belong to the NPC and not you or mr ninjasocks.
Posting to confirm that I wish my player name was Mr. NinjaSocks. ---- Suddenly Ninjas Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:55:00 -
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Oh.... and if we really wanted to make salvage rules consistent with real world here's how to actually change it.
Your example of a car is not valid, because it pertains to something you had ownership of before it was wrecked and you have not "abandoned" it. In the real world, if you came across true abandoned salvage, then it belongs to the first salvager who lays claim to it. Even if the original owner came back and decided to claim it again, if a valid case was made that it met the criteria for being abandoned salvage, then the salvager would still have a good chance at being granted the salvage despite the original owners wish.
To actually make salvage consistent with the real world, CCP should simply make it "belong" to the first person to go up to it and take it (i.e. exert a claim). Of course, if they in their turn abandon it, it becomes salvage again, not property. If CCP would only do this simple step, then we would have consistency with the real world for those who are begging for it... oh wait... that's what the rules we already have!!! OMGWTF!!!
We could take the simple route, of acknowledging that the current rules are actually pretty close to real world rules, with a slight edge to the carebear/noob side (since the loot isn't treated as salvage, and the thief type characters can't tractor beam all wrecks). Isn't "close" to real world, with a slight edge to the noobish side, exactly what the game should be for the professions that noobs will be doing?
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 30/09/2009 09:06:07 Before you start to post here.... 1. This is not an issue about shooting someone. There are already laws about that in the game. 2. Don't twist my words on the subject. It only makes you look like you just can't comprehend. 3. I am asking for someone from CCP to validate. If you aren't from CCP....I don't care what you have to say.
I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the United States if I wreck someone else' car I have to pay the full price of that car and own it in it's entirety. NOT just the CD changer(read as loot within the cargo). If someone goes to that car and takes the electrical system(read as equal to salvage.) I have legal avenues to follow for recourse. If someone goes to that car and takes the CD changer(read as loot in the cargo.) I have legal avenues to follow for recourse. The CD-changer and the wreck are considered to be all the same ownership. Nobody can run up and just load my wreck up on their rig and drive away with it. From a legal standpoint any item taken from that wreck(Including an Alloyed Tritanium Bar)would be an act of theft.(Is this different in the rest of the world? Comments?)
Wrecks are color coded. They are color coded to show ownership. This goes for wrecks that have things within the cargo and those that do not. If there was no ownership of a wreck then there would not be a need for color coding.(There is a warning message about theft of loot so the concept that it is a different color to protect people from accidently taking something is moot, bogus and weak at best.)
Why is it that in Eve I only own the CD changer? What if I own a salvaging company and what they are taking is how I make my living?(Read as I pay for an alt that does nothing BUT salvage behind me in missions that are done for my corp. My corp uses that salvage to make things and sell them thus thiefs are taking money from my corp. Maybe I shouldn't give CCP any money?)
Can someone from CCP actually vallidate this ignorace for me
well gee, I dunno, but in this game which is a sandbox, in which we fly imaginary spaceships, piloted by imaginary nigh-immortal people, I guess that your seriousness means that this game is serious business.
also, I call trollin', but I didn't resist so I'm trollin' back.
Originally by: Paul Clavet
Originally by: MIND SCR4MBLER the loot AND the wreck should belong to the NPC and not you or mr ninjasocks.
Posting to confirm that I wish my player name was Mr. NinjaSocks.
posting to confirm that better than Mr. NinjaSocks, only Mr. NinjaBunnySocks. Both names are written in pwnsauce concentrated to the nth degree. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:00:00 -
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BECAUSE OF NINJA FALCONS!
I have 17 million, can I help?
THIS IS GAME
etc, etc, et al, ad nauseum... /snore ♥
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Ta'jek
Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:13:00 -
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If they change the mechanics of salvage to allow missioners to shoot at ninja salvagers, I predict a larger number of missioners emo-raging because their expensive mission ship got blown up by the ninja salvagers
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Hanso Sparxx
Order of Shadows
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:18:00 -
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Just when you think you've already seen the stupidest, most re-tarded "ninja salvager" thread...
*golf clap* Bravo BunnyBuzzBunny, Bravo. ------------------ Go Deep! |
Jonan Hannon
Gallente THIS IS GAME
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Stealnutz I predict this thread will go places never seen before....
Oh, and THIS IS GAME.
You stupid wreckstealer. I AM GAME (or at least a member of it lol)
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: BunnyBuzzBunny Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 30/09/2009 09:06:07 Before you start to post here.... 1. This is not an issue about shooting someone. There are already laws about that in the game. 2. Don't twist my words on the subject. It only makes you look like you just can't comprehend. 3. I am asking for someone from CCP to validate. If you aren't from CCP....I don't care what you have to say.
I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the United States
Your RL comparison hits your post WRECKING for no ccp response. (well maybe a lock) You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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Joe Starbreaker
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Draeca If I come and wreck your car, is the carwreck my property?
Yeah that's the part I'm hung up on, too. OP, do you really think that if you wreck someone else's car you have ownership of it, CD player and all?
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Builder Robert
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:18:00 -
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By OP's analogy it should be legal to crash into someone's car then loot and salvage it.
The loot NOT salvage belong to the person who's ship it came from aka the Guristas aren't very happy with you OP.
"thus thiefs are taking money from my corp. Maybe I shouldn't give CCP any money?)"
waaaahhhh
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Belkadan
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:29:00 -
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I stopped at "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
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FISHANDCHIPS
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:40:00 -
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oh here we go again cant you people just accept it and be happy its the path to enlightenment
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: small chimp on 30/09/2009 16:50:19 Edited by: small chimp on 30/09/2009 16:49:52 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/299000691_b91e01fceb.jpg ee This is for the op.
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