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Svarek
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:14:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: - What would be called "liberal" in one country would be called "conservative" in another. In a game forum that crosses international lines, I don't think these labels are accurate.
Aye, perhaps not. I actually considered that, probably poorly, and thought about that fact another way. Honestly should have said hippies or something and made the point of the post more obvious and prevented people from being offended (regardless of whether "liberals" of whatever caliber play the game, hippies probably don't).
Oh well. I'm off my high horse by now and now I just wish I hadn't made this thread to begin with, regardless of whether people understood the facetious context or not. That tiny voice that tells you not to do stupid things kind of gets turned off when you play Eve. But my god do I mean that I'm sorry for this thread more than ever now. makes dumb posts |
Lili Lu
259
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:38:00 -
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Svarek wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: - What would be called "liberal" in one country would be called "conservative" in another. In a game forum that crosses international lines, I don't think these labels are accurate. Aye, perhaps not. I actually considered that, probably poorly, and thought about that fact another way. Honestly should have said hippies or something and made the point of the post more obvious and prevented people from being offended (regardless of whether "liberals" of whatever caliber play the game, hippies probably don't). Oh well. I'm off my high horse by now and now I just wish I hadn't made this thread to begin with, regardless of whether people understood the facetious context or not. That tiny voice that tells you not to do stupid things kind of gets turned off when you play Eve. But my god do I mean that I'm sorry for this thread more than ever now. Yep, lesson learned. This is a wide open public role palying game about a place and time far removed from rl. You really don't want to give rl kooks that play it an opportunity to engage in an evengelical or partisan quest to convince fellow gamers of their rl political or religious views. What may seem to be a funny disjunction from your particular perspective and experience is best left discussed with those whom you already have a very good friendship in game (and even then . . .).
Best to keep rl politics out of the forums, corp chat, alliance chat, alliance forums, basically everywhere having to do with the game unless it is a subforum or chat channel specifically delineated as engaging in rl political discussions.
It is a rather old nugget of wisdom, that It is impolite to open the topics of religion and politics in a social setting. Eve is a social setting. Keep rl religion and politics out of the game. |
Dkamanus
Crimoria Co Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:58:00 -
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Why Caldari?
In the old character creator, they were the least butt ugle people in the universe xD
Also, nicest looking ships |
Magna Bellator
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:18:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:Magna Bellator wrote:We call our republicans conservative and our socialist liberal :)
U.S. Politics:
a waitor at a resturant doesn't want to work at all and is rude to guests And thus doesnt get tipped. A good waiter goes out of his way, nice to guests and is paid well in tips as a result.
Republican:
The good waitor waitor worked hard, deserved his good wages. The bad waitor didn't want to work, that was his decision to make.
liberal:
The good waitor has more money than the bad waitor, therefore the good waitor needs to give tbe bad waitor 50% of his wages so they are both equal
U.S. Politics in a nut shell :) I love the way americans use words without understanding them, especially 'liberal' as an insult intended to be aimed at the Democrat party. They don't seem to realise that a liberal believes in liberty, which is freedom.
I'm not going to get in an argument over conservatives / constitution (libertrian party , republican party) vs. liberal / socialist / comunist belief (democrat party) but I would agree ours is backwards and I know that, and its due to u.s. History such as progressive movement in early 1900.
Now what you believe is up to you, I not going to argue who is right or wrong, just stating the belief differences.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:41:00 -
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Because a true liberal--read: Everything your offensive and disgusting American propaganda teaches you a liberal is, but actually is the diametric opposite of--believes in meritocratic ideals that are applied equally to everyone.
The Caldari State is a meritocracy. Ergo sum...
[/RL politics-injection]
Next! In irae, veritas. |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:09:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Because a true liberal--read: Everything your offensive and disgusting American propaganda teaches you a liberal is, but actually is the diametric opposite of--believes in meritocratic ideals that are applied equally to everyone.
The Caldari State is a meritocracy. Ergo sum...
[/RL politics-injection]
Next!
Funny that wasn't one of the 6 meanings listed in Websters. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
394
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:10:00 -
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holy bejesus wrote:why do liberals try to pretend that socialists are different than national socialists?
why are the richest capitalists liberals?
cognitive disconnect.
Oh, for ****'s sakes...
Really?
Really???
My God, it actually exists
Do you even know what socialism actually is? Hint: It's not what Filth News tells you.
Do you even know what fascism actually is? Hint: It's not the same as what you're taught to believe liberalism actually is.
Do you even know what a cliche you actually are?
0/10.
Next! In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
394
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:14:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Because a true liberal--read: Everything your offensive and disgusting American propaganda teaches you a liberal is, but actually is the diametric opposite of--believes in meritocratic ideals that are applied equally to everyone.
The Caldari State is a meritocracy. Ergo sum...
[/RL politics-injection]
Next! Funny that wasn't one of the 6 meanings listed in Websters.
Clue:
That's because most modern people's definition of liberalism--and most things socio-political--iis highly subjective, and has been changing a lot in the last 50-odd years. One can only go so far in objectively defining that.
In irae, veritas. |
Magna Bellator
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:17:00 -
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Guess that all depends on what you mean by equally meritocratic :)
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:39:00 -
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Magna Bellator wrote:Guess that all depends on what you mean by equally meritocratic :)
In that the State doesn't care where one is originally from, or what their background/race/colour/whatever is--a quite progressive outlook, don't you think--as long as they are willing to work hard for the benefit of the community (externalised as one's family, surrounding community, and ultimately one's megacorp.), and those who prove their merit through their own hard work will be rewarded.
Quite a good gestalt of a progressive "base" as regards how individuals are seen, mixing with traditionally "conservative" values vis-a-vis the broader community, don't you think?
Oh, and I think I'm not the only one who thinks the Caldari are totally bad-ass, and finds their lore/mythos compelling.
(The other three races--and I absolutely love Minmatar, just to be clear--are just a bit too obviously "stock," a bit too much a pastiche of old, old sci-fi tropes, if you see what I mean. The Caldari mythos is actually somewhat original. It's part of the reason why IC Tarryn is a Caldari sympathiser :))
That, and "FIER ZEE MISSULZ!!!111ONEONE1!"
In irae, veritas. |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:42:00 -
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I remember why. The main reason was that ships used shields has main defense, follow by missiles weapons. I didn't know back then you could cross train If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Cutout Man
Archimedean Point
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:47:00 -
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Why do conservatives play Minmatar? Conservatives are all racist, right? |
Magna Bellator
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:00:00 -
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Terryn,
If you mean working hard and being rewarded for your accomplishments of where you came from orvwhat up bringing, then I absolutely agree with you :D
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.06.09 00:24:00 -
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Cutout Man wrote:Why do conservatives play Minmatar? Conservatives are all racist, right? Honestly? It's because none of the Eve factions are a patriarchy. The Minmatar come closest with their tribal-esque society and politics, hence why some neo-con-fundie-traditional-judeo-christian-muslim-shiara-caste-polygamist peoples favor Minmatar despite the fact that Jesus/Moses/Mohammed/Buddha were all tall, pasty white Aryan blondes.
/because_no_one has_thrown_teh_war_on_women_into_the_mix_yet
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Trollin
72
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:29:00 -
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caldari are fascists
also, liberal means different thing depending on where you live iirc . |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
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Posted - 2012.06.09 07:52:00 -
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Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post.
The answer is the same as why peoples characters don't always reflect their race, age or even gender. These are our characters not ourselves, and this is especially true for those of us who have multiple characters and don't want them all to be the same.
I thought a friendly Gallente youth would be a fun character in this rather dark universe, but have a very wide variety of characters from other games, some who are very politically opposed to me. I feel that having a friendly character on Eve goes against the "everyone for themselves" backstabbing reputation that Eve has and I do like to go against the grain. Most of my truly psychotic genocidal characters are reserved for non-online games though, for logistic reasons. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
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Posted - 2012.06.09 07:54:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:Because the other factions are religious zealots, former slaves with junkheap ships (in appearance not in ability), and french, respectively.
No thanks.
This, saved me typing it.
Tal
P.S GF is french hope she doesnt read this
Tal
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.09 10:19:00 -
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Let's have a day of good threads shall we?
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