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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.10.02 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Medwynd
Originally by: Leora Nomen In RVB you won't ever be denied fleet invitation because all your brought along is a frigate or ridiculed because you did not how to fit it well.
Somehow I highly doubt this. Hell, people ridicule other posters in the new citizen section of the forums for crying out loud and that's where your supposed to ask your noob questions.
How can you doubt when you do not know? What's the point of your post?
We often get players say 'I'm clueless help me, how do I start?' and they are pointed to the Corps guides and given fitting advice. Not everyone in EVE is a douchebag or troll.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 02/10/2009 15:35:39
Originally by: Medwynd Edited by: Medwynd on 02/10/2009 15:03:13
Originally by: Zartanic
Originally by: Medwynd
Originally by: Leora Nomen In RVB you won't ever be denied fleet invitation because all your brought along is a frigate or ridiculed because you did not how to fit it well.
Somehow I highly doubt this. Hell, people ridicule other posters in the new citizen section of the forums for crying out loud and that's where your supposed to ask your noob questions.
How can you doubt when you do not know? What's the point of your post?
We often get players say 'I'm clueless help me, how do I start?' and they are pointed to the Corps guides and given fitting advice. Not everyone in EVE is a douchebag or troll.
How can you say I do not know? Yes, in fact I do know. Perhaps it is you who doesn't read this forum much. Almost daily someone if mocked for asking something in this forum. It doesn't take much beyond reading this forum daily to see that.
I thought my point was pretty clear. Making the blanket statement that they won't be ridiculed for their fit or their skill level is ridiculous since people do that even in this forum where you wouldn't expect that sort of thing.
I never said people do not get help in this forum or even implied it, you just went off on some random tangent not applicable to anything I even said. Which begs the question, what was the point of your post?
What does this forum have to do with RvB? Bugger all. Talk about a strawman. If you want to moan about the forums do your own post.
You said 'somehow I highly doubt this...' so what bit of that was not only implying but asserting?
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 02/10/2009 16:18:04
Originally by: Medwynd Edited by: Medwynd on 02/10/2009 15:56:18 My apologies if there seems to be some misunderstanding on my part. When you said:
Originally by: Zartanic We often get players say 'I'm clueless help me, how do I start?' and they are pointed to the Corps guides and given fitting advice. Not everyone in EVE is a douchebag or troll.
I thought you were talking about in this forum because you said you pointed them to corp guides, etc. After reading your response it seems you were talking about in RvB chat? I took the "we" to be participants in this forum, since that's what I was making a comparison to, not "we" meaning participants RvB chat.
Oh I see. Yes I meant RvB channel and RvB forums, not these forums. Now what you said makes sense. Nothing like the internet to cause confusion
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 02/10/2009 17:45:14
Originally by: Medwynd
Originally by: Billy Sastard You know what would resolve this argument, if Medwynd would just join the public RvB channel for a bit and see for himself what it is about? Unless he just wants to troll this thread and continue to be part of the problem that he is so vocal about?
I've been tempted to try out the pvp in EVE but I just have problems seeing an upside to it. Plus unless I can melt ships with mining crystals, which would be bad ass by the way, I wouldn't be of any use.
You can leave the corp any time you like and rejoin for that matter, give it a try. Its not perfect of course, nothing is, but I've had a lot of fun out of it already.
Just buy a cheap Frigate (Rifter is a good choice), look at our forums or google search to see how to fit it, or ask in channel and someone will likely link you a fit. You can use an alt if you want. You really only need about a day or so skills at most which you probably have anyway.
You are likely to die a lot (I do) but its a great way to learn PVP and find out if you like it or not. You may hate it of course, that's ok at least you gave it a try.
The point about RvB is there is no commitment or bossing around. You don't get players ego tripping and demanding certain fits or ships (like you can get in FW) with all their sycophants drooling at their every word. Some players PVP a lot, others rarely, it does not matter. I think the big benefit is there are highly experienced players in the corp, some on low SP alts, and you learn just by watching and doing. The FC's range from beginners to highly experienced players.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:25:00 -
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Just pop into the R-V-B channel there's plenty of players there who have not joined yet or their alts. Not all the chat is there but you can see some.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.04 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane Whilst I have no problem with RvB specifically, this is recruitment, and doesn't belong in this forum. If we start making exceptions we'll be overrun.
I love internet police.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.04 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 04/10/2009 12:34:12
Originally by: Tesco Yogurt
Originally by: Tranka Verrane Whilst I have no problem with RvB specifically, this is recruitment, and doesn't belong in this forum. If we start making exceptions we'll be overrun.
Don't really think RVB counts much as 'recruitment' tbh, more like 'Hey noob, wanna pewpew, don't know how? Here's how...'
Exactly. And anyway its up to the forum mods not some self appointed officious player.
If it stops one 'new player' stating PvP can't be done by new players, and we get a ton of those stupid posts, its done its job.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.04 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 04/10/2009 14:15:41
Originally by: Tranka Verrane This isn't about being officious. It's about being fair. Lots of corporations have launched things like RvB. They have all been blocked in this forum though, and not to do so for RvB is either favouritism or neglect. Even FW recruitment has been booted from this channel before.
If you want to promote RvB in New Citizens suggest you offer some kind of training course or support, that doesn't require switching corps. If people then wish to join RvB it is up to them. There would be plenty of opportunity to encourage them to do so ingame.
I am merely offering advice before a mod comes along and locks this thread.
If a mod locks it then they will. Also RvB not about training anyone, its about killing each other in PvP with no strings attached. But so many new players assume they can't join a PVP corp with experienced players, and that's quite true in most cases, they never give it a try and end up quitting. Another misconception is you need countless SP or can 'never catch up with the older players' which is OFTEN posted on these forums. So this is an answer to those negative posts and the best place for that is in the very forums those posts are regularly made.
So this Corp is perfect for new players, ergo its posted in the new players section. If new players were not welcome or it was a standard corp looking for new players this post would have no place here.
But ultimately that's down to the mods and only them.
EDIT: I'm not sure you have read what's being said properly. You can have a day old alt to try it out, why a special training course?
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.06 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Leora Nomen Edited by: Leora Nomen on 05/10/2009 20:39:48
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Moved to Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center.
Thank you Tranka for reporting this thread and making it more difficult to new players to find. Internet policing must be a very important matter for you
Some people have to sc**** the barrel to get a kick out of life.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.06 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 06/10/2009 02:34:17
Originally by: Dealeeo I'd like to participate, but I am interested in learning to fly Ewar/ECM support.
This is not allowed? What does "no excessive ECM" mean?
Thanks! And grats for putting together what looks to be a great program.
Scramblers/webbers are fine of course. But in small fleet actions that are trying to be balanced nothing is more boring than a Jammer. There is all sorts of PVP going on so you may well find times you can use it and during purple operations (third party wardecs) anything goes. But in general ECM is not used.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.06 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 06/10/2009 18:41:03
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: Leora Nomen
Thank you Tranka for reporting this thread and making it more difficult to new players to find. Internet policing must be a very important matter for you.
Post a non-recruiting ad for PVP training in RvB and I will endorse it. I told you how to do it. You must be able to see the thousand ways doing what you are currently doing could be abused if it was allowed to continue. Like I said, I have nothing against RvB. I do have a problem with this recruitment strategy, for that is what it is. Everyone wants more people in their corporation. It is arrogant, selfish and stupid of you to assume that you deserve special treatment.
Most rules are there for a reason. Try thinking about what they are before breaking them.
You don't get it do you? The corps HAVE TO EXIST for wardeccing to occur for the PVP to happen. One red corp one blue corp. The corps are coincidental but required. Most chat is outside the corp in the open RvB channel. That's why no one gives a stuff how often you join or leave and ALL players and their alts are welcome.
Congratulations on ensuring some new players don't experience PVP at all, I hope your proud of yourself and feel a warm glow of smug self satisfaction of a job well done.
Now get off your high horse and go check some cars in the street, they may be a few inches outside the parking bay.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.07 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 07/10/2009 20:54:17
What's ironic is CCP themselves are trying to get new players into PVP and are including a tutorial for just that in the next expansion. Its the reason behind the 11% tax and one reason for the sov changes.
So RvB is doing the work of CCP.
How this post is not suitable for the new player forums I'll never know. Especially as the new player forums are peppered with players saying they have no opportunities to PVP or they assume you need good ships and high SP. They then leave the game and tell their friends how much EVE sucks as its impossible to get into.
Its about opportunities for new players not corp recruitment. RvB accepts alts, you can join and leave when you want, there is no set of policies, nothing. Just pure PVP for everyone and some good forums for beginners who get to fly with some of the most experienced PVP players in the game. The Corps are there just to get round the concord mechanic in hi sec.
Anyway back to watching Red Dwarf, this whole thing has reminded me of Arnold Rimmer.
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