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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.30 20:58:00 -
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So you're a new player mucking around doing some level 1 or 2 missions or perhaps you have started your career in mining and industry. Perhaps you heard that EVE is a very PVP oriented game where the only place that you are safe is when you are docked to station (and even then, sitting docked, you can be scammed, your wallet owned). And perhaps you want to try out this PVP thing, learn more about what's it about in EVE, may be try out piracy or that factional warfare you heard so much about. But piracy means you are going to lose security status and be unable to go into highsec systems, which will complicate buying ships and supplies for yourself. Once you go outlaw, half of EVE will be closed to you to transverse in anything else but a shuttle. And for factional warfare you need to grind many missions to get the standing required to join. Plus once again half of EVE will be closed off to you as enemy faction police ships will attack you any time you wander into their territory, even if by accident while traveling on autopilot. High sec wars perhaps aren't very fun because you either get war dec'd by corporations that highly outclass you and griefed out of existence or you can't find anyone to dec yourself who would be about your level.
And perhaps you cannot afford anything else but frigates and have less than 1 million skill points and feel like you'd be useless in pvp until you have 20+ million skill points and hundreds of millions of ISK in your wallet.
At this point if you're really looking to get some pvp experience your best bet is to try out Red vs Blue.
What is Red vs Blue (RVB)? These are two corporations of 180+ players each that are under permanent war with each other: Red Federation vs Blue Republic. The whole point of this war is that you can undock and fight in whatever ships you can fly, try out different fittings, learn pvp, lead gangs if you are an aspiring fleet commander, build some killboard record for yourself to later get into more established pvp corps and always have willing opponents to fight. A lot of combat happens in T1 frigates, destroyes, and cruisers. There is no skill point requirement to enter RVB, no interviews, you don't have to show your API key or private killboard to prove your worth. You can simply fly to headquarters of one of the corporations and apply and you will be shortly approved. Then set up a few combat ships, ask for gang invite in corp, undock, and have fun.
Where is this taking place? In Gallente space, Verge Vendor region, high security space. Both teams are based within just 2 jumps of each other. Almost all fighting takes place within 5 jumps of these bases.
What are requirements of me to join? There are no requirements to join up. There is no interview. You can also leave any time you wish if you find it is not your thing or that you are running short on ISK.
I am in corporation already and do not want to leave it ... what do i do? Fear not! A lot of veteran players are in same position as you, however, alts are accepted in RVB. Indeed many older players have joined in the fun too with low skill point alts. This is open to everyone so you can utilize those other 2 slots on your account to roll a character and join.
Which team should I join? Join in game chat channel called "R-V-B" using the channels and mailing lists button on left hand side panel. When you join it ask how many blues and reds are online in each corporation and join whichever one has less people online. The point is to keep the teams balanced so that no one team significantly outnumbers the other.
So 180 vs 180 people ... is this a blobfest? No, most of the kills are happen either solo or in small gangs of 2-8 players. Sometimes bigger gangs gather during EVE's prime time but those are an exception rather than the rule. You can also always ask your enemy for 1v1 fights. guide to game time codes |
Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.30 21:00:00 -
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For more information refer to the following thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1182525
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Bluedog Spaceman
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Posted - 2009.09.30 21:27:00 -
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This poster speaks the truth!
RvB is an awesome place to get some no-stress fun-for-all PvP experience. Even if you are a complete newbie who JUST rolled his character, if you spend 3 or 4 hours training up to use warp scramblers and afterburners you will have what it takes to join in the fun, so do it!
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Panza Solaar
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Posted - 2009.09.30 23:27:00 -
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Agreed. I have had my confidence in Eve flourish due to taking part in Red V Blue, and can only recommend it to new players. Speaking from the 'Red' side I must offer my thanks to those in command and fellow wingmen; a friendlier group of people I have yet to meet in Eve.
I am flying a T1 fitted cruiser and have downed much more expensively fitted and skilled pilots. You'll need your wits, but I can count on support and advice from fellow fleet members at all times.
Also a deserved salute to our opponents in Blue, for maintaining the excellent spirit, momentum and honour which has characterised the event so far. o7
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.01 00:02:00 -
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RvB is fun, go join.
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.02 08:04:00 -
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Very good intro into small gang pvp. In RVB you won't ever be denied fleet invitation because all your brought along is a frigate or ridiculed because you did not how to fit it well. And there is no skill point requirement meaning 1-day old characters can join.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.02 10:27:00 -
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Another good point; no security hits.
I fully endorse this product and/or service.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Medwynd
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.02 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Leora Nomen In RVB you won't ever be denied fleet invitation because all your brought along is a frigate or ridiculed because you did not how to fit it well.
Somehow I highly doubt this. Hell, people ridicule other posters in the new citizen section of the forums for crying out loud and that's where your supposed to ask your noob questions.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.10.02 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Medwynd
Originally by: Leora Nomen In RVB you won't ever be denied fleet invitation because all your brought along is a frigate or ridiculed because you did not how to fit it well.
Somehow I highly doubt this. Hell, people ridicule other posters in the new citizen section of the forums for crying out loud and that's where your supposed to ask your noob questions.
How can you doubt when you do not know? What's the point of your post?
We often get players say 'I'm clueless help me, how do I start?' and they are pointed to the Corps guides and given fitting advice. Not everyone in EVE is a douchebag or troll.
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Medwynd
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.02 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Medwynd on 02/10/2009 15:03:13
Originally by: Zartanic
Originally by: Medwynd
Originally by: Leora Nomen In RVB you won't ever be denied fleet invitation because all your brought along is a frigate or ridiculed because you did not how to fit it well.
Somehow I highly doubt this. Hell, people ridicule other posters in the new citizen section of the forums for crying out loud and that's where your supposed to ask your noob questions.
How can you doubt when you do not know? What's the point of your post?
We often get players say 'I'm clueless help me, how do I start?' and they are pointed to the Corps guides and given fitting advice. Not everyone in EVE is a douchebag or troll.
How can you say I do not know? Yes, in fact I do know. Perhaps it is you who doesn't read this forum much. Almost daily someone if mocked for asking something in this forum. It doesn't take much beyond reading this forum daily to see that.
I thought my point was pretty clear. Making the blanket statement that they won't be ridiculed for their fit or their skill level is ridiculous since people do that even in this forum where you wouldn't expect that sort of thing.
I never said people do not get help in this forum or even implied it, you just went off on some random tangent not applicable to anything I even said. Which begs the question, what was the point of your post?
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:22:00 -
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I have to side with Zartanic on this one...
If you haven't spent time in RvB then you have no place commenting on the behavior of the participants. So far my experience has been that people are extremely friendly and helpful in the channel and have no problem answering peoples questions, and will take 2 day old clueless people into fleets and then give them advice on what they did wrong etc afterward. Please don't come into this thread trying to scare newbies away from RvB just because you are bitter because someone trolled you on the forums <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein |
Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 02/10/2009 15:35:39
Originally by: Medwynd Edited by: Medwynd on 02/10/2009 15:03:13
Originally by: Zartanic
Originally by: Medwynd
Originally by: Leora Nomen In RVB you won't ever be denied fleet invitation because all your brought along is a frigate or ridiculed because you did not how to fit it well.
Somehow I highly doubt this. Hell, people ridicule other posters in the new citizen section of the forums for crying out loud and that's where your supposed to ask your noob questions.
How can you doubt when you do not know? What's the point of your post?
We often get players say 'I'm clueless help me, how do I start?' and they are pointed to the Corps guides and given fitting advice. Not everyone in EVE is a douchebag or troll.
How can you say I do not know? Yes, in fact I do know. Perhaps it is you who doesn't read this forum much. Almost daily someone if mocked for asking something in this forum. It doesn't take much beyond reading this forum daily to see that.
I thought my point was pretty clear. Making the blanket statement that they won't be ridiculed for their fit or their skill level is ridiculous since people do that even in this forum where you wouldn't expect that sort of thing.
I never said people do not get help in this forum or even implied it, you just went off on some random tangent not applicable to anything I even said. Which begs the question, what was the point of your post?
What does this forum have to do with RvB? Bugger all. Talk about a strawman. If you want to moan about the forums do your own post.
You said 'somehow I highly doubt this...' so what bit of that was not only implying but asserting?
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:40:00 -
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You know what would resolve this argument, if Medwynd would just join the public RvB channel for a bit and see for himself what it is about? Unless he just wants to troll this thread and continue to be part of the problem that he is so vocal about? <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein |
Medwynd
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard Edited by: Billy Sastard on 02/10/2009 15:29:24 Edited by: Billy Sastard on 02/10/2009 15:28:56 I have to side with Zartanic on this one...
If you haven't spent time in RvB then you have no place commenting on the behavior of the participants.
That is some of the most flawed logic I have ever heard. That is like saying that because I'm not a serial murderer but I can't say that they have issues because I am not one. I was simply making a comparison between these boards, which claim to be noob friendly, and the claim that RvB is noob friendly as well.
Originally by: Billy Sastard Please don't come into this thread trying to scare newbies away from RvB just because you are bitter because someone trolled you on the forums
Actually, feel free to take a look at my post history, I have never, to my knowledge been trolled on the forums. Dismissing my opinion on the matter doesn't make it less valid by you projecting some false feeling of animosity you think I have toward this forum.
Originally by: Billy Sastard --- I just did some reading through the threads on the first page of the newbie forum here and actually only saw a couple threads that had responses that could be considered trollish even. Maybe you are thinking about GD? For the most part we try to keep things civil here in the newbie q&a so I am not really sure what you are on about to be honest.
Actually I went out of my way to try to make it clear that it is not a very frequent occurrence by saying "Almost daily someone".
Sorry but I just have the opinion that making a blanket statement that these noobs are going to go out into pvp and feel all warm and fuzzy is just not gonna happen. I freely admit I am fairly noobish on some aspects of EVE and have next to no pvp experience. That doesn't mean I am going to go out and risk my implants, ISK, and time to become cannon fodder for some gang, I just don't see the appeal.
Excuse my skepticism about the benevolence of EVE pilots.
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Medwynd
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:55:00 -
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My apologies if there seems to be some misunderstanding on my part. When you said:
Originally by: Zartanic We often get players say 'I'm clueless help me, how do I start?' and they are pointed to the Corps guides and given fitting advice. Not everyone in EVE is a douchebag or troll.
I thought you were talking about in this forum because you said you pointed them to corp guides, etc. After reading your response it seems you were talking about in RvB chat?
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:58:00 -
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Quote: I freely admit I am fairly noobish on some aspects of EVE and have next to no pvp experience. That doesn't mean I am going to go out and risk my implants, ISK, and time to become cannon fodder for some gang, I just don't see the appeal.
Implants? ---> Jump clones (which are available to both RvB corps IIRC)
ISK? --> A very well fit pvp rifter is a couple hundred thousand ISK, this is not a great financial loss for even week old newbie.
Time? Cmon now... If you are flying a cheap ship in a clone with no implants then the time is being spent having fun in combat with other players!
When you participate it is not like you join one of the RvB corps and are dumped out of station with no support. You fly with a fleet, at least 4 or 5 other guys and work as a team. This is the kind of stuff that you will never learn with the kind of negative attitude you are displaying here. <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein |
Medwynd
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard You know what would resolve this argument, if Medwynd would just join the public RvB channel for a bit and see for himself what it is about? Unless he just wants to troll this thread and continue to be part of the problem that he is so vocal about?
The intent wasn't to troll, but to voice my skepticism towards claims of such open arms behavior being exhibited in EVE which is pretty much known for the opposite.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 02/10/2009 16:18:04
Originally by: Medwynd Edited by: Medwynd on 02/10/2009 15:56:18 My apologies if there seems to be some misunderstanding on my part. When you said:
Originally by: Zartanic We often get players say 'I'm clueless help me, how do I start?' and they are pointed to the Corps guides and given fitting advice. Not everyone in EVE is a douchebag or troll.
I thought you were talking about in this forum because you said you pointed them to corp guides, etc. After reading your response it seems you were talking about in RvB chat? I took the "we" to be participants in this forum, since that's what I was making a comparison to, not "we" meaning participants RvB chat.
Oh I see. Yes I meant RvB channel and RvB forums, not these forums. Now what you said makes sense. Nothing like the internet to cause confusion
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Medwynd
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard You know what would resolve this argument, if Medwynd would just join the public RvB channel for a bit and see for himself what it is about? Unless he just wants to troll this thread and continue to be part of the problem that he is so vocal about?
I've been tempted to try out the pvp in EVE but I just have problems seeing an upside to it. Plus unless I can melt ships with mining crystals, which would be bad ass by the way, I wouldn't be of any use.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 02/10/2009 17:45:14
Originally by: Medwynd
Originally by: Billy Sastard You know what would resolve this argument, if Medwynd would just join the public RvB channel for a bit and see for himself what it is about? Unless he just wants to troll this thread and continue to be part of the problem that he is so vocal about?
I've been tempted to try out the pvp in EVE but I just have problems seeing an upside to it. Plus unless I can melt ships with mining crystals, which would be bad ass by the way, I wouldn't be of any use.
You can leave the corp any time you like and rejoin for that matter, give it a try. Its not perfect of course, nothing is, but I've had a lot of fun out of it already.
Just buy a cheap Frigate (Rifter is a good choice), look at our forums or google search to see how to fit it, or ask in channel and someone will likely link you a fit. You can use an alt if you want. You really only need about a day or so skills at most which you probably have anyway.
You are likely to die a lot (I do) but its a great way to learn PVP and find out if you like it or not. You may hate it of course, that's ok at least you gave it a try.
The point about RvB is there is no commitment or bossing around. You don't get players ego tripping and demanding certain fits or ships (like you can get in FW) with all their sycophants drooling at their every word. Some players PVP a lot, others rarely, it does not matter. I think the big benefit is there are highly experienced players in the corp, some on low SP alts, and you learn just by watching and doing. The FC's range from beginners to highly experienced players.
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Medwynd
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:11:00 -
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You've renewed my interest in this heh. Let me see what I have going on skill wise and what I can put together in a short amount of time for skills on an alt and maybe I'll see you out there :)
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Bluedog Spaceman
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Medwynd You've renewed my interest in this heh. Let me see what I have going on skill wise and what I can put together in a short amount of time for skills on an alt and maybe I'll see you out there :)
Now that's more like it!
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:25:00 -
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Just pop into the R-V-B channel there's plenty of players there who have not joined yet or their alts. Not all the chat is there but you can see some.
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FOl2TY8
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.02 20:24:00 -
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Bump for awesomeness and to say I'm sorry to Gaiden R for using ECM drones. I didn't mean it ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.03 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Medwynd Somehow I highly doubt this. Hell, people ridicule other posters in the new citizen section of the forums for crying out loud and that's where your supposed to ask your noob questions.
I admit it. In real life I'm like like "look at this noob, he is putting lasers on his Cormorant lolololol" but in RVB corp chat my alt always gives useful advice on how to improve the fit :P
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Tranka Verrane
Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.04 00:42:00 -
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Whilst I have no problem with RvB specifically, this is recruitment, and doesn't belong in this forum. If we start making exceptions we'll be overrun.
Player Since 2005 Over 4000 hours logged
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.04 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane Whilst I have no problem with RvB specifically, this is recruitment, and doesn't belong in this forum. If we start making exceptions we'll be overrun.
I love internet police.
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specialkake
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.10.04 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane Whilst I have no problem with RvB specifically, this is recruitment, and doesn't belong in this forum. If we start making exceptions we'll be overrun.
I'd like to thank the OP for posting this here, since I tired pretty quickly of the recruitment forum, as I didn't meet the requirements of any of the corps recruiting there. While I agree a certain amount of order is needed in a forum, I think this is a good exception.
OP, I will definitely be joining next time I play! (Working an overnight 16 hour shift and want to die)
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Tesco Yogurt
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Posted - 2009.10.04 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane Whilst I have no problem with RvB specifically, this is recruitment, and doesn't belong in this forum. If we start making exceptions we'll be overrun.
Don't really think RVB counts much as 'recruitment' tbh, more like 'Hey noob, wanna pewpew, don't know how? Here's how...'
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.04 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 04/10/2009 12:34:12
Originally by: Tesco Yogurt
Originally by: Tranka Verrane Whilst I have no problem with RvB specifically, this is recruitment, and doesn't belong in this forum. If we start making exceptions we'll be overrun.
Don't really think RVB counts much as 'recruitment' tbh, more like 'Hey noob, wanna pewpew, don't know how? Here's how...'
Exactly. And anyway its up to the forum mods not some self appointed officious player.
If it stops one 'new player' stating PvP can't be done by new players, and we get a ton of those stupid posts, its done its job.
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