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Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:06:00 -
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and the AI in civ 5 SUCKS!! |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:07:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:All these 'solo' vs. 'multi-player' threads are just dumb.
There is just EVE. Either you get it or you don't.
Correction. You either play Eve or you don't. You want fries with that? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1196
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:09:00 -
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Solo and EvE... oxymoron.
Whatever you do you WILL interact with other players, even just to sell your loot / manufactured items / whatever.
What "soloers" do is to play an immense and lively universe where NPCs have human AI.
Also, define "introvert soloer". I used to be in a much friendly PvP low sec / 0.0 corp but one day RL took over. Since then I am the guy who lives at the door sill, looking at the others partying and having fun inside. Sometimes some of them looks at me and gives me a little saucer of cake.
It sucks, but it's still better than being in the middle of the road, alone in the snow. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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WrATH2Zero
Tech Oblivion
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:10:00 -
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Totally agreed, play how you like and that's how a game should be. |
Uinuva Karma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:17:00 -
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Kc Decartes wrote: You're an idiot. Who do you think are predominantly responsible for coding mmo's... The loud tool, or the quiet nerd?
The social nerd.
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Kc Decartes
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
46
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:26:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:With introvert you mean social failure, scared nerd or someone who hates humans?
Computer games are not suitable for these kind of people with personality disorders, and they should seek help.
Uinuva Karma wrote:Kc Decartes wrote: You're an idiot. Who do you think are predominantly responsible for coding mmo's... The loud tool, or the quiet nerd?
The social nerd.
So there are scared nerds, and then there are social nerds. What separates the two, confidence? How is being an introvert related to being a nerd or ones confidence.
I stand by my statement... you sir, are an idiot ;) D.F.C.S.
no TRUST in mankind no confidence IN government there will never be enduring FREEDOM. |
Garresh
Opposite of Low
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:22:00 -
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I have, quite honestly, absolutely no idea what *any* of you are talking about. I've been basically playing solo since I started eve. I made friends, and I'm a very social person, but I *fly* solo 90% of the time. And I've seen a metric buttload of Eve's content, without needing to rely on others. To put things into perspective, hear my story:
I started out eve when I read about the Apocrypha expansion. I decided I wanted to explore w-space, and I was going to get into Eve exclusively for that goal. So I read and developed a training plan to get myself there. I did seek help in game via noobchat or just asking people, but I played solo.
About a month in, I joined Suddenly Ninjas and started ninja salvaging, as a way to familiarize myself with scanning from the get go. Additionally, this got me comfortable with covert ops ships, staring at scan probes for hours on end, and generally moving around in areas where I shouldn't be. I did this on and off for about 6-7 months while I got my skills trained.
Around the 5th month, I started doing Class 1 and Class 2 day trips. I used a horrible passive tanked Hurricane, and the going was extremely slow. Still, I made headway. Another month or two saw me fieldiing much more powerful tank, and pretty soon I switched to an active tanked cyclone. When I was ready, I left Suddenly Ninjas and started my own corp.
Barely 6 months after joining eve, I launched a medium minmatar POS in a class 2 system. 2 months later, I upgraded to a Large caldari POS, and redesigned my defenses around a "dickstar" method. Another 3-4 months and I could field a Loki. I designed a fitting that could solo most class 3 stuff, on a "budget" of 600 million. I started using my C3 static for daytrips in my Loki.
Unfortunately, w-space tends to get to you after a while. It's like, you absolutely love it, but the complete lack of other players starts to wear on you. I'm a solo player, but I still strive for human contact, if for nothing else than competition. I stayed out there for almost a year, and eventually I took on a partner from my days of ninjaing. But then IRL problems began to distract me, and I couldn't manage the fuel runs anymore, so I shut it down. After that, I took a long break from eve.
I just recently came back, and once again I'm doing solo work. This time I'm going around in a cloaky ship doing lowsec exploration. It allows me to do my thing, while still remaining close enough to help out some friends I got to give the game a try. On top of that, the knowledge I'm gaining in lowsec is proving quite useful, and I've begun to practice PvPing with some throwaway ships in lowsec.
And I'm just one of many. Look at any facet of eve, and you can see solo players thriving, in proud defiance is the assumed corporate nature of this game. Solo frigate and interceptor pilots in 0.0. Solo margin traders in highsec. Scammers, griefers, pirates. Miners who make enough money to start funding second accounts, with orcas. Mission runners who fly pimped out bling ships. Industrialists with self owned stations they use for research and production...
I've played other MMOs. Quite a lot of them actually. Every time I reached endgame, I hit a brick wall where I was forced to rely on other players. You need 5 people for that instance. You need 40 people for that. Oh you want to solo? Okay then grind pointlessly for 150 hours and you can get second rate equipment that might compare to what raiders get. You want to trade? That's cool, all the best items are soulbind. Exploration? wtf is that?
You tell me Eve is not solo friendly? To that I say you are WRONG. Eve is the most solo friendly MMO I have ever played. The only caveat is that, like everything else in eve, you must be intelligent and driven to succeed. You must push yourself, or you cannot succeed at anything, solo or otherwise. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:26:00 -
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Massively Multiplayer Online Game. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Xhaiden Ora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:34:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Eve is a solo activity due to paranoia. Living under anarchy is a lonely existence. There are plenty of mmos where almost the entire playerbase is group oriented. People form groups when they're not afraid of being ganked by said group.
Pretty much that. Combine a healthy fear of being backstabbed with a lack of accessible group content and you get lots of people playing solo. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:41:00 -
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CCP won't listen and won't do anything unless you are a part of very vocal extrovert PvP-oriented minority. Too busy developing DUST and pleasing said minority.
So don't forget to make a thread "I'm unsubscribing because ... " before you go - I guess this is the only way to make CCP listen. Their ears are in their pockets. |
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:07:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:So don't forget to make a thread "I'm unsubscribing because ... " before you go - I guess this is the only way to make CCP listen. Their ears are in their pockets.
Or they could just leave and let CCP see the drop in numbers for themselves? As opposed to making a big hoo-ha on the forums and then shitposting constantly 'until their sub runs out', which by the way never does quite seems to end.
Or maybe I'm looking at this wrong. Obviously all these people that make "I'm leaving/unsubbing" posts keep getting free gametime from CCP... Maybe I should start doing that too |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
370
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:16:00 -
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There should be room for all types of play in Eve without nerfing the game play of any other group..
True though they need to do something for the solo/casual player.
I still say get more stations into 0.0 they can base out of. All that empty space not being used.
Tal
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:51:00 -
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There a difference between flying solo and playing solo. I'm never in a fleet and my corp is me and a pretend copy of my wife, but every market transaction is dependent on everyone else in the game. That means everyone's bottom line is PvP even if you never utter a word to anyone. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:56:00 -
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Really? I've found EVE to be very solo-friendly GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:59:00 -
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Commit Sudoku wrote:besides the AI in civ 5 is a better representation of the avg human than some nerd flying computer spess ships
Civ has AI??????
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Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:05:00 -
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It's not that EVE is solo-friendly, it's just group-unfriendly.
What I mean is, EVE has a pretty big world. So, say my friend and I make a character each. Only I make a Caldari and he makes an Amarr, and we end up 40+ jumps away from each other. By the time one of us gets to where the other is, it's been hours of the most boring gameplay ever - click a gate, click jump, rinse, repeat. That's incidentally how people quit the game.
Then, when we get together, there's really no reward for working together. As in, the rewards are split in half, rather than just reduced. Compare that to Guild Wars 2, where content difficulty scales dynamically with the number of players, and the XP doesn't go down, it goes UP. In EVE parlance, it would mean 2 people doing the same content would get harder enemies and much more ISK as a result, compared to doing the same content solo. Not because of speed, but because of added difficulty. There's little to no incentive to group, except for content that cannot be soloed.
And finally there's high probability that whoever you group with, if he's a stranger, that he'll stab you in the back and take your stuff.
End result? People group a lot less than they normally would in another MMO. |
Xhaiden Ora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:09:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:It's not that EVE is solo-friendly, it's just group-unfriendly.
What I mean is, EVE has a pretty big world. So, say my friend and I make a character each. Only I make a Caldari and he makes an Amarr, and we end up 40+ jumps away from each other. By the time one of us gets to where the other is, it's been hours of the most boring gameplay ever - click a gate, click jump, rinse, repeat. That's incidentally how people quit the game.
Yep. Thats exactly what happened to me and my friends when we first played and subsequently all quit within a month or two. We all ended up like 20+ jumps from each other and there was zero direction into what we could do together as group content.
I've really only managed to convince one of them to return and try the game again to be honest. |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
98
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:11:00 -
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Cpt Kupo wrote:I like how the NPC's in this game post on the forum and simulate human logic. This is indeed the best singleplayer spaceship game known to man.
REVELATION ...... absolutely stupefied by this |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
309
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:11:00 -
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Rule # 1: Don't Trust Anyone
Yeah makes for an awesome multiplayer experience...
It's a testament to just how great the game actually is that it can survive while simultaneously shooting itself in the foot like this. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1254
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:13:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:Try the X3 series, its a space simulator similar to eve but solo, good game for waiting on ccp to expand solo content. Second this. I'm waiting for X:Rebirth though. |
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Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:23:00 -
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The thing about EVE is that it is similar to concepts in real life. You can absolutely play it solo if that's what you want to do but you will be limited in some of your experiences.
For example, in real life, I can go out the grocery store solo and buy food but I would not be able to run a grocery store completely solo.
I play 95% solo as a miner / industrialist / marketeer but that's because those are the things that I enjoy. If I wanted to become more involved in some of the other aspects of the game, it would be more difficult to do so without some support.
Find the things that you enjoy doing and then you can determine if they are things that you can accomplish solo or not. |
Widow Cain
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:34:00 -
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Svetlana Tatiana wrote:I'd like to explore something the newsletter got wrong.
The newsletter pointed to results from the survey that indicated that more people play EVE solo than in groups. The newsletter then proclaims:
"EVE is evidently rather solo-friendly!"
No. Don't misinterpret your survey's findings. More people play your game solo. That does not mean in the slightest that it's friendly to solo players. It's actually quite, QUITE the opposite. You even have staff saying:
"Trying to solo EVE Online is like trying to solo Facebook." -- Torfi Frans Olafsson, Creative Director
People try to enjoy your game solo DESPITE it not being supported. They don't play it solo because it's solo-friendly.
The inevitable reaction from extroverts is going to be "Oh, okay. How do we get all these people to start playing socially? How do we show them that being extroverted is the best?"
No. No, it's enough to make an introvert cry. Don't stomp on us, telling us the "real way to play" is to be social. Clearly more than half of your players are trying to do it solo because that's the way they want to play. Not because they don't know the joys of being an extrovert, but because they are introverts. Because that's who they are and what they want to be doing. Not because they haven't been introduced to the community.
More than half of your players solo your game. It's time to start supporting them. It's time to start making it more viable, more enjoyable.
Dear Ford,
I am suing you because I used your car as a boat and almost drowned. I am emotionally scared from the experience.
- Widow
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Dear Widow,
Using our cars as boats is not supported.
Thank You, Ford
OMG You are sooo pixel macho... |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
39
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:39:00 -
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Widow Cain wrote: Dear Widow,
Using our cars as boats is not supported.
Thank You, Ford
Dear Widow,
I am writing you because I heard of your unfortunate incident with your Ford. I would like to invite you to come testdrive our new 2013 Chevy Aquanaut. If you are pleased, we will be willing to offer you a trade in for your Ford.
Sincerely, Chevy. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders RISE of LEGION
86
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:44:00 -
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Syndrea Caedrion wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:If you want to play a single player spaceship game, then play a single player spaceship game. There's a version of Eve that is a single player game? Cause that would be swell. Solo may be a four letter word, but it is by no means taboo.
Look up X3: Albion Prelude or X3: Terran Conflict. Anyone familiar with eve will find the structure of the x3 games quite similar. They have some innovations* so it isn't a straight copy and paste of eve, rather it is a game in the same vein as eve but designed for solo play from the ground up.
Mind you, after a while playing with a bunch of AI's might get boring, but if you're an uber-introvert, it might be for you.
*manual piloting of ships, a significantly wider selection of weaponry, being able to assign AI to pilot your other ships, much better pos interface and greater pos capabillities, more interesting ship variety, fully customizable AI's for combat, exploration, or trade missions. |
Bossy Lady
Aliastra Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:54:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:Rule # 1: Don't Trust Anyone
Yeah makes for an awesome multiplayer experience...
It's a testament to just how great the game actually is that it can survive while simultaneously shooting itself in the foot like this.
What would be the point of player interaction if it were forced? Why should I be denied the choice to be a good trustworthy person in EVE?
Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M. |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
98
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:00:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:If you want to play a single player spaceship game, then play a single player spaceship game. Your statement is highly dependent on what the OPer wants CCP to do to make it solo friendly. Just because a game involves lots of people doesn't mean your doing it wrong if your not grouping with them.
Better and more complex pve content would be a solo friendly addition. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1386
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:02:00 -
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one would hope that CCP understands that "solo" play can cover a wide gamut of ingame activities, very few of which center around PVP.
market is solo exploring is solo WH hopping for low level blue loot is often solo Missioning is often solo sec repair might have not been solo originally but it sure is now with the group nerf can flipping can be solo PI is solo moon goo mining is pretty much solo unless someone attacks your POS mining is solo (well it used to be anyhow)
but as you can see most of these solo activities don't include roaming or camping gates
sure people solo roam, and some get lucky, but it's a very niche industry in comparison The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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